Time Nick Message 12:33 owen What's up 12:34 owen ...#koha? 13:04 slef hdl_laptop: paul_p: is nicomo about for IRC in 15-30mins? 13:04 slef owen: not "What's on your mind?" ;-) 13:04 slef biab 13:15 hdl_laptop slef: nicomo is in Limoges for a training session. 13:26 slef hdl_laptop: thanks. When's he back or is someone else handling his tasks while he's away? 14:41 slef hdl_laptop: thanks. When's he back or is someone else handling his tasks while he's away? 18:33 danny Do you have to be subscribed to the koha patches mailing list in order to submit patches to it? (trying to debug why someones patch didn't make it to the mailing list) 18:35 gmcharlt danny: it helps - sometimes one may get kept in moderation 18:36 danny ah ok, I see 19:40 chris morning 19:42 chris ron: can you yell out when you see this please ;) 19:47 chris morning richard 19:48 richard hi chris 20:40 brendan Good afternoon #koha 20:40 SelfishMan afternoon 20:41 chris heya brendan 20:41 brendan how's everything with you all 20:41 brendan err y'all 20:43 chris practising for texas? :) 20:43 SelfishMan The snow has melted up here in Montana so pretty good I'd say 20:44 slef emailed nicomo :-/ 21:32 chris ron: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.misc.koha/13478 21:32 chris seems like a perfect opportunity for you to jump in :) 22:03 slef you know it's bad when the project plan sprawls over A2 22:05 chris ouch slef 22:56 ron chris: howdy 22:57 ron interesting 22:57 ron does joe = atz (in here)? 22:58 atz ron: yep, i'm here 22:58 ron atz: howdy. was just reading the gmane link which chris quoted 22:58 ron presumably that's you? 22:59 atz yeah, that was my reply 22:59 ron atz: I'm happy to sponsor the deb packaging 22:59 ron sponsor = $$ 22:59 atz awesome 22:59 ron of course, I have no idea the magnitude of this. :) 23:00 atz oh that's ok, neither does anybody else. 23:00 atz :) 23:00 ron heh 23:00 ron I've got a DD involved from my end, although he has no experience with Koha 23:00 atz "I just want to apt-get koha. Why doesn't it work?" 23:00 ron but he's got plenty of packaing experience 23:01 ron but more importantly, I've got a customer who will pay for the ongoing maintenance of the package 23:01 ron ongoing = 5 yrs 23:02 atz wow, that's remarkable 23:02 ron meh. gov't 23:02 gmcharlt ron: cool 23:02 atz gmcharlt is my project manager at LL 23:03 ron liblime? 23:03 gmcharlt there's a DD, Vincent Danjean, who's been working on packaging 23:03 atz right 23:03 chris yep i introduced ron to vincent 23:03 ron yeah, VDJ isn't so interested in being responsible for the package 23:03 gmcharlt good 23:03 atz right, since he doesn't really get Koha itself 23:03 ron but he has documented his progress 23:03 gmcharlt good (re intro) 23:04 ron gmcharlt: yeah, I got that. heh 23:04 slef I have someone interested in being responsible for the package, but unavailable until April 23:04 ron slef: that's only a month away 23:04 atz 1 mo. vs. 5 years isn't much 23:04 ron it'll take that long to get all the ducks lined up anyway 23:04 slef I will reply to emails soon, but priorities are screwing me 23:05 slef a non-nonegotiable deadline which some of you know about is coming up next week 23:05 ron getting married? 23:05 ron ;-) 23:05 slef nah, did that a while ago 23:05 ron ahh.. baby 23:05 slef nope 23:06 slef this is 100% work 23:06 slef sadly 23:06 ron so's a baby 23:06 ron :) 23:06 slef heh 23:06 ron or my four were/are 23:06 atz the first thing i would do is redefine scope a bit, for the first iteration of the package. namely, don't waste any time on no-zebra. 23:06 slef blah, this ps file is blank :-/ 23:06 ron wtf is zebra? 23:06 slef zebra is the biblio indexer 23:06 gmcharlt search engine used by Koha 23:06 atz zebra is the indexing and z3950 core of Koha 23:07 ron righto 23:07 slef !newlogbot, zebra? 23:07 gmcharlt NoZebra is a pure perl, older, biblio indexing mode 23:07 slef newlogbot, zebra? 23:07 slef newlogbot: botsnack? 23:07 ron maybe newlogbot's index is screwed? ;-) 23:07 gmcharlt slef: you're crediting newlogbot with much more intelligence than it has 23:07 ron irony 23:07 gmcharlt !slef 23:08 slef !botsnack 23:08 slef !seen botsnack 23:08 atz i started chipping away at the vincent's wiki page.... striking out things that could be ignored (or outright removed) 23:09 ron this deb package will take a while to get 'finished', so we're moving ahead with deploying on a dedicated host via the usual tarball method 23:09 ron once the deb is available then we'll migrate to the primary server they're wanting it on 23:11 atz ron: are you looking to RFP? basically, how do you want the solution pitched? 23:11 ron I'm not necessarily looking at taking the cheapest route 23:12 ron I'm more concerned with longer term responsibility 23:12 ron and, heck, some money back into the community would well for everyone 23:12 atz right, 5 years is a long time in software 23:12 ron ...would work well... 23:12 ron atz: year by year then 23:13 ron if I can get someone who is willing to be responsible for just *one* year then I'd be happy 23:13 ron I assume it'd be relatively easy to identify someone to take the reigns in year two, then three, etc 23:13 gmcharlt the bulk of the work will be completing the initial packaging - as long as the process is documented, should be easier to keep it up 23:13 atz ron: I'll take the second year. :) 23:13 ron atz: lazy! :) 23:14 atz heh j/k 23:14 ron atz: was amusing that you comment came on the heels of gmcharlt's 23:14 atz yeah, similar thoughts 23:14 gmcharlt get out of my head! 23:14 gmcharlt :) 23:15 atz in any case, I suppose we should have somebody higher up at LL contact you to parameterize and get you a quote 23:16 atz (as in, higher up than me... gmcharlt could probably do it) 23:16 ron atz: do you have enough info? ie; requirements? 23:16 atz it will take some more investigation on the front-end to be accurate 23:17 ron of course 23:17 gmcharlt ron: most of the requirements are evident, I think, but there would be questions 23:17 ron ok 23:17 atz internationalization packages for example 23:17 gmcharlt heh - was about to ask exactly that 23:17 ron heck, I'm not in botswana 23:17 atz we have a *ton* of translations in various stages of completeness 23:18 atz ideally they are each independent so you don't have to install all of them 23:18 gmcharlt and ideally, en_UK, en_AU, and en_US will become localizations 23:18 atz right 23:19 ron btw, I should let you know that I have two engineers who are involved from my end; twb & benf 23:19 ron you'll likely be hearing from benf in here today 23:19 gmcharlt ok 23:19 ron I'm merely the salesdude 23:19 ron although the salesdude who knows how to spell I.T. 23:21 chris we already have en_NZ 23:21 chris at least for the opac 23:21 chris its about 60% done for the intranet 23:21 chris AU will be pretty darn close 23:22 atz chris: is there *any* divergence? i can't tell the difference from here 23:22 chris maybe just in library terminology 23:25 atz ok, heading out to get some food for cats... 23:26 atz i'll leave it for gmcharlt and ron to hash out 23:28 ron slef: sorry, I didn't realise I'd already emailed you. I didn't make the connection. :) 23:32 gmcharlt heh 23:33 ron you can laugh. I emailed him to tell him what I'd learned in here, probably from slef himself. bleh 23:33 gmcharlt no, just laughing at the general game of guessing names from nicks 23:33 ron :) 23:33 gmcharlt anyway, glad I could help with the connection 23:34 ron too right. many thanks 23:37 gmcharlt heading out myself, but I'll be responding to your email soon 23:37 slef you may find /who #koha helpful 23:38 ron oh, yeah. never thought of that 02:38 Rosa Si: if you are there I have david from advantage on #hlt 03:40 Amit hi chris, mason, brendan 03:40 Amit chris what about match 03:40 Amit india 220/3 07:54 kf good morning #koha 07:56 chris hiya kf 07:56 kf hi chris 07:57 fredericd guten morgen und hiya 07:59 kf guten morgen frederic 08:01 kf oh i noticed that due_date is atm calculated differently in 3.0.1 and 3.2 08:03 kf caused by this patch http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=commit;h=d2d103195c885c1a3084f032c8a18761d1abf5f7 08:04 chris ahh which one is doing it right? 08:05 chris sounds like 3.0.1 is .... 08:05 chris on first reading anyway 08:05 kf for germany head is 08:05 chris right 08:05 chris i suspect that it should be a system preference then 08:05 kf no, because if you do duedate + , patrons will renew immediately after checking items out 08:05 chris renew from due_date or renew from today 08:06 fredericd discussed by Joshua on list: http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2009-March/002696.html 08:06 kf yes, i think this would be the best solution 08:06 chris yep, but some libraries might want that 08:06 chris so best to have the default behaviour be the way it used to 08:06 kf i agree that some might want that 08:06 chris and have a switch so libraries that want it work like the patch can 08:06 kf in our current systems you can define, when a user is allowed to renew, how many days before due_date 08:07 chris that would be a good feature too 08:07 kf i think than you can handle it with due_date + without making it difficult to get a hold on the item 08:09 kf I just think its not good, as it is now - different. and I hope you dont forget to fix this before 3.0.2 :) 08:09 chris yeah 08:10 chris it should either be reverted, or be changed to use a system preference 08:10 chris hopeuflly hdl will be on irc later 08:11 kf yep :) 08:12 chris there he is :) 08:12 kf hi hdl 08:13 kf discussed different calculation of due_date in HEAD and 3.01 with chris 08:13 chris (when renewing) 08:13 kf thats right 08:14 kf I think with due_date + new loan period, the patrons will renew immediately after checking items out 08:17 kf I think this should be a system preference, and in addition there should be the possibility to define, when patrons are allowed to new, something like "7 days before due date" 08:29 kf hi nahuel 08:29 nahuel kf, hi 08:31 hdl_laptop hi kf 08:33 hdl_laptop Actually, there already is a syspref that allow ppl to choose whether they add new loan period or just base it on the renewal date. 08:34 chris ahh does that code respect it? 08:34 hdl_laptop It was a patch sent by nahuel. 08:34 hdl_laptop Maybe galen has not pushed it. 08:35 kf http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2009-March/002696.html 08:35 kf he didn't and I think its right not to push it 08:35 kf should be a system preference 08:35 kf but I m a little worried, because now its handled different 08:36 kf oh 08:36 kf sorry hdl, overread your comment