Time Nick Message 10:55 kf hi hdl 10:54 ron chris: argh. found it. 10:53 hdl_laptop hi kf 10:53 ron chris: sorry mate, I've lost the URL to the deb wiki page. do you have it handy? 10:45 kf hi Amit 10:44 Amit hi kf 08:33 chris in an hour or 2 yep 08:32 fredericd time to sleep? 08:32 fredericd hello chris 08:32 chris hi fredericd 08:32 fredericd hi 07:31 chris ohh that is cool, i hadnt realised that 07:31 ryan_ it's excellent, actually. the streetcars are all free in the downtown area, which is darn convenient. 07:17 chris nice, yeah ive heard portland has good public transport 07:14 ryan_ pretty cool, really. thus far i've gotten around quite well without a car. 07:13 ryan_ heh -- no, i haven't gotten a car yet. I did enroll in the local car sharing program, and took my first 'zipcar' out earlier today. 07:12 chris watch out for the goonies near astoria :) 07:09 chris have you been for a drive along the coast? 07:08 chris nice 07:07 ryan_ chris: yeah, made the move about 4 weeks ago now. 07:05 chris you are in portland ryan_ ???? 07:02 ryan_ brendan: yeah, lots of good brewpubs here in portland. rogue and deschuttes are my favorites. 06:58 brendan ryan_ I'm a big fan of there beer - i used to live near there newport OR brewhouse 06:56 ryan_ bad for my beer belly :/ 06:51 brendan good night all -- 05:30 si and mos of that time will be spent in colo rooms in south sanfrancisco and paloalto 05:30 si brendan: sadly, I'm only in town for two days before fling backhome 05:21 brendan si if you like beer, try different kinds of rogue -- there is a brew pub in downtown san fran... http://www.rogue.com/ 05:21 Amit chris NZ all out 279 05:12 brendan about 300 miles (US) south 05:11 brendan yup in Santa Barbara 05:11 si whereabouts? 05:11 si ohh really? 05:11 brendan I'm down the coast from you 05:11 brendan so in San fran... not to far away 05:11 brendan coming along nicely... 05:10 si hows the cricket education going? 05:10 si hi brendan 05:08 brendan hi si 04:52 si hi amit 04:50 Amit hi si 04:49 si otoh, the kiwis aren't doing so well 04:47 si there's no justice 04:47 si ohh man, there's a test on, and I'm in san francisco 04:31 richard hi Amit 04:28 Amit hi richard 04:27 richard gah, forget the cricket was on 04:08 Amit 6 wicket 04:08 Amit 213 Runs 04:07 brendan ahh.. thanks 04:07 chris its now 237/6 6 people out, for 237 runs scored 04:06 brendan chris what is the 213/6 04:04 Amit chris ;) 04:04 Amit this is highest 7th wicket partnership against india 03:47 Amit now india to break this partnership 03:47 Amit good partnership between vettori & Ryder 03:46 Amit hmm 03:46 chris yep, 213/6 now .. still you shouldnt leave it to your number 8 batsman to score all the runs :) 03:46 Amit hi mason 03:45 Amit good recovery 03:45 Amit but NZ 60/6 03:45 Amit good 03:45 mason ohhh, you boys.. .. 03:44 chris 1 run now 03:44 chris indian started very well, but nz are slowly clawing their way back 03:44 chris vettori is 2 runs away from his century 03:43 brendan ok -- will turn it on.. Thanks amit 03:22 Amit First test 03:22 Amit r u watching match brendan 03:22 Amit chris: what about first test match between NZ vs India 03:22 brendan heya amit 03:22 Amit hi mason, chris, brendan 03:06 Gnewt I did the post about the laser box 03:06 Gnewt Doesn't get updated much, it's new, but that's our blog. 03:06 Gnewt http://www.hackerbotlabs.com 03:06 Gnewt It's not done yet, I have it installed but we're not actively using it... we need to get the new barcode scanner first. 03:05 Gnewt :) 03:04 SelfishMan_ That's awesome 03:03 Gnewt So I volunteered and then found Koha :D 03:02 Gnewt we have a lot of books we need to keep track of 03:02 Gnewt It's a hackerspace in Seattle 03:02 SelfishMan_ ah 03:02 Gnewt For the HBL library 03:02 Gnewt Nope, on a server at Hackerbot Labs 03:00 SelfishMan_ Are you running koha on a Linode? 03:00 SelfishMan_ Thought so 02:58 Gnewt SelfishMan_, yep, I'm the Gnewt from #linode :) 23:38 [k3rn3l] keep up the good work... just added koha to my favoutite channels lol 23:38 [k3rn3l] take care 23:38 [k3rn3l] well, i'm leaving 23:31 [k3rn3l] i have once head that software helps fixing the problems that software creates! 23:30 [k3rn3l] that's a big jump hehe 23:30 SelfishMan When people ask what I do my general answer is that I fix people's problems. I've actually spent a few years managing bars and restaurants because I was bored and it was something new 23:30 [k3rn3l] so... myy problem it to select the technologie / framwork / somethng else that best suites my needs!! 23:29 SelfishMan Mostly I work fast and efficient and try to avoid making mistakes! ;-P 23:28 [k3rn3l] and you background in computer science? 23:28 SelfishMan I'm a bit of a universal contractor 23:28 [k3rn3l] how do you manage all that? 23:27 SelfishMan several open source software projects, several proprietary, some hardware projects and a bunch of other random stuff 23:27 [k3rn3l] all in software? 23:26 SelfishMan koha is one of the many projects I'm tied up in 23:26 [k3rn3l] and sometimes i end up doing very little :S 23:25 [k3rn3l] one of the problems i face is that i want to do a bit of everything... 23:25 [k3rn3l] so, is koha your only projects? 23:11 SelfishMan Gnewt: From #linode as well? 22:37 [k3rn3l] chris: now you've said it all! 22:37 chris its much easier to moan your software sux, than to do something abut it 22:36 chris often people secretly like the fact they cant fix something .. then they dont have to 22:36 chris yeah, thats a really common thing 22:36 chris sorry got sucked into work 22:28 SelfishMan I see that a lot as well. That works as long as the people admit they don't know and are willing to learn. 22:27 [k3rn3l] that's the sad truth we have to deal here :s 22:27 [k3rn3l] if you can assemble a pc and install a printer then you are the computers guy!! 22:27 [k3rn3l] i don't know there in the us: bu here in pt informatics is still lead by "non specialized" people 22:25 SelfishMan I've heard that a lot 22:24 [k3rn3l] everytime i talk about open source the question people make are: "what about support? it means more work? linux... yeahhh cooll.. but windows is windows!!" and so on! 22:23 [k3rn3l] i think people is scared of open source!! and also a matter of having the right people (read knowledge) in the right places 22:21 [k3rn3l] + windows server + license + a computer to run it! 22:19 SelfishMan I'm curious what concerns and resistance you all have run up against when trying to transition to koha 22:19 [k3rn3l] well, with porbase (what we have here) it's the same! it uses a ms access database, if you want webaccess then you have to accquire sql server + more licenses for their software 22:18 brendan *nods* - free open-source education for the masses, is what is needed 22:18 SelfishMan The last time I called Follet for support on Athena (formerly from Sagebrush) they told me that I needed to buy the latest product despite us paying for a support contract. That was the point that we decided FOSS was the way to go for the next ILS 22:16 chris yeah 22:16 [k3rn3l] so true... but mentalities are so hard to change!! people have this ideia of comercial / propertary: "i'm paying, so if I have problems they will handle it" and this one with open source: "it's free, but what if I have problems... what's going to happen?" 22:13 SelfishMan Until you have better you really don't know what you are missing 22:13 SelfishMan It's kind of the same thing with my grandfather and broadband. He was happy with a 14.4K modem when 33.6K was dominant then I upgraded him. He was happy with that until I upgraded him to 56K. Finally I kicked him up to broadband and when the provider went under I told him we could switch him back to dialup or double his access charge with someone else and he very clearly said in a dead serious voice "I will never go back to dialup" 22:11 [k3rn3l] that's the tipical "deal with it as it is" 22:11 SelfishMan If it's all you have then it is better than nothing. 22:10 [k3rn3l] so, what the point of making something (and paying for it) if you just can't use it the right way ?! 22:10 [k3rn3l] i will give you an example: this module to send e-cards... all it does it send an image via email! wtf :S:S. when i asked for improvements they said that e-card was just a core module and that there was no more support! 22:08 SelfishMan That's one thing I've always loved about open source. It's built around the people instead of trying to mold the people around the software 22:08 [k3rn3l] that or wait for the next major update!! man... i don't like proprietary. most of the time the just want to build new features instead of fixing the ones the already have 22:07 chris hehe 22:07 SelfishMan I love the look on their faces when I tell them "Sure, give me a minute and I'll fix that" 22:05 chris yeah, software vendors have had it way to easy for too long 22:04 SelfishMan It's amazing the response I see from people that switch to koha and are actually able to have the changes made that they want. I guess they are all used to being told to deal with it as is. 22:03 [k3rn3l] one thing i've noticed.. those that use evergreen simple love it... those who use koha simple love it!! hehe 21:49 chris *nod* 21:49 SelfishMan Yeah, I know. It's unfortunate and doesn't help the patrons in the state. We're willing to work with them and be patient while they realize we aren't trying to attack them. 21:48 chris [k3rn3l]: excellent :-) 21:48 chris ahh yeah, thats fairly common SelfishMan 21:48 SelfishMan Well, not really hate as much as an instinctive fear response 21:48 [k3rn3l] well, I know a lot of people... I'll see if they are willing to make part of such a cool project 21:47 chris SelfishMan: oh yeah? informed hate, or just plain old prejudice? :-) 21:47 chris i wonder if you know people who can help translate Koha into portuguese ? 21:46 chris [k3rn3l]: http://translate.koha.org/pt/ 21:46 SelfishMan I was shocked to hear that somone from the state's shared catalog was going to attend kohacon considering the hate they initially showed towards it 21:46 chris [k3rn3l]: thats excellent news :) 21:46 chris at butte silver bow? 21:45 [k3rn3l] here in portugal the national informatics institute is using koha 21:44 SelfishMan yep 21:44 chris am i remembering right, you are in montana? 21:44 chris SelfishMan: im sure we can figure something out, someone in the US has gotta have a dvd camera 21:44 SelfishMan We are hitting critical mass in my state where many libraries are ready to adopt koha but they have a handful of concerns Lee and I are trying to address 21:44 chris but yes, id rather they gave back directly 21:43 chris by making the product seem more 'real' 21:43 chris [k3rn3l]: sometimes even that helps the community indirectly 21:42 chris if i had the ability to record some i would, ill ask around 21:42 SelfishMan cool. Any thoughts on posting some video or audio? 21:42 [k3rn3l] what I don't like to see is when a company makes all kinds of money with OSS and never give something back to the community 21:41 chris SelfishMan: i will try to blog all the sessions 21:41 [k3rn3l] and lots of other well know CMSs 21:41 chris *nod* 21:41 [k3rn3l] drupal itself offers paid support 21:40 chris if you go with a paid support company 21:40 chris koha even 21:40 [k3rn3l] pentahoo is a good example 21:40 [k3rn3l] there is a lot of commercial open source 21:40 SelfishMan I know. There will be a few people going from in the state and even one person working for the state shared catalog 21:40 chris yeah, those usually are annoying :) 21:39 [k3rn3l] chris: commercial and proprietary 21:39 chris SelfishMan: bummer :( 21:39 chris people open confuse commercial and proprietary .. you can be commercial and opensource 21:38 SelfishMan I was hoping to make it but I have a security job at that time and I can't reschedule it 21:38 chris [k3rn3l]: commercial isnt bad ... proprietary i dont like 21:38 chris SelfishMan: have i asked if you are going to Kohacon? 21:37 chris but i was paid to work on koha from 1999, to 2007 .. and hopefully will be again in the future 21:36 [k3rn3l] i work in a city hall and the spent some money acquiring this commercial solution!! desktop based 21:35 chris and sometimes i send in some patches 21:35 chris im not 21:35 [k3rn3l] you guys are also responsible for instalations in libaries? 21:34 [k3rn3l] well, community makes open source better 21:34 chris makes sense 21:33 SelfishMan chris: I know it's not but I do like to know that there is a larger community around the one I use! 21:33 [k3rn3l] and both seem really cool 21:33 [k3rn3l] i've seen evergreen, and it is also perl! 21:33 chris it's not really a competition :) 21:33 SelfishMan well that is good to hear 21:32 chris even in the US 21:32 chris nope there are far more koha installs than evergreen ones 21:32 SelfishMan I think here in the US Evergreen is dominant but I could be wrong 21:31 [k3rn3l] i believe that koha is the most used open source in this kind of software! right? 21:31 SelfishMan I can't believe that nobody has created a module to handle web archives (.warc) 21:30 SelfishMan perl is nice 21:30 richard hi chris 21:29 chris speaking of katipo, heya richard :) 21:29 richard hi 21:28 chris we would have had to write a lot more code if we used another language, also we had 3 people at katipo who knew perl ;) 21:27 chris CPAN pretty much ruled the roost 21:27 chris plus in 1999 21:27 [k3rn3l] thanks 21:26 [k3rn3l] i would say very stable :) 21:24 SelfishMan perl is stable and works 21:24 [k3rn3l] hi.. why perl and not something else? 17:57 atz hello 17:56 atz *whom... 17:56 atz liz_nekls: who's calling who? 16:40 owen My current gripe: search result RSS feed lists title and...number of pages? How about subtitle? author? 16:39 owen Twitter's tagline should be "What are you facepalming about today?" 15:08 atz stupid job always getting in the way of... my job 15:05 liz_nekls_ cool ttyl then (dang work kept me away for 30 mins, sheesh) 14:27 atz liz_nekls_: yep, looking forward to figuring out what the deal is there... 14:25 liz_nekls_ yea, I definitely will... we're waiting with bated breath for sure 14:25 jwagner Off to another meeting, back later.... 14:25 jwagner Liz, let us know if you hear anything about a possible fix. 14:24 liz_nekls_ atz: you'll be around later for this envisionware deal? (1pm central) 14:19 liz_nekls_ definitely one of our pet peeves 14:19 liz_nekls_ the items on the hold shelf displaying as available 14:19 liz_nekls_ jwagner: NEKLS sees that too 13:46 jwagner OK, I was a bit worried :-) 13:46 owen Just noticing how many people are timing out 13:46 jwagner Owen, are you rearranging deck chairs??? 13:07 owen Not that that means anything necessarily. 13:07 owen I'm trying to see in Search.pm where it checks whether something is waiting, and I'm not seeing it. 12:58 jwagner Thanks, Owen. Gotta run to a meeting now -- back later. 12:57 jwagner That's OK, I'm making up for it on the "hearing complaints" level :-( 12:55 owen I'm surprised I haven't heard more complaints about this bug from my staff 12:54 jwagner I had hoped so, too. I'll keep my ears open, and we'll think about working on a fix -- no promises yet.... 12:53 owen It's a severe enough bug that I would think someone would be working on it, but I haven't heard anything 12:53 owen That's great to hear 12:52 jwagner (We're working on other bugs, but not this one, to clarify.) 12:52 jwagner Not yet, but it's a problem for us. I saw you were one of the people reporting/discussing it -- didn't know if you knew about any fix in the works. 12:51 owen Do you have folks on staff who are looking at bugs? 12:51 owen Yeah, I haven't heard anything about it 12:49 jwagner Yes, the one where items on the hold shelf still show as available in the OPAC. Bugzilla says that's still outstanding, correct? 12:43 owen I mean bug 2655 12:43 owen jwagner, you were asking about big 2655? 12:14 jwagner Is anyone around who knows anything about bug 2655, Items waiting on the hold shelf display as "Available" in OPAC? Owen? 12:01 Amit hi chris 11:53 Amit means 11:52 kf bbl 11:47 Amit hmm 11:47 kf near lunch time - so im fine, need a break now 11:47 Amit ;) 11:46 Amit kf 11:46 Amit so how r u 11:46 kf hi Amit 11:46 Amit hi kf 11:46 Amit 11:30 hr 11:45 Amit hmm 11:30 behind 11:45 jwagner And 7:45 in Maryland 11:45 SelfishMan 5:45am here in Montana 11:45 kf near lunch time here :) 12:44 (germany) 11:44 SelfishMan mornin' 11:44 Amit hi selfishMan 11:44 SelfishMan I love the half hour time zones. They really mess with things 11:43 jwagner One of these years I'll wrap my mind around time zones. I can barely keep up with continental U.S. Sigh. 11:43 Amit 5:13 pm in india 11:43 Amit jwagner 11:43 Amit good evening 11:43 jwagner Hi Amit. Good morning or afternoon or whatever :-) 11:29 Amit hi jwagner