Time  Nick       Message
13:19 jwagner    Can someone answer a historical question?  Is there a reason the patron table doesn't have a separate state field for addresses?  For U.S. libraries that would seem to be a given.  There is a separate municipality field, but it's not part of the main address section.  I'm wondering if there was a particular reason this field hasn't been added.  Thanks.
13:25 paul_p     hi jwagner.
13:26 hdl_laptop hi jwagner
13:26 paul_p     i'm probably a good historian ;-)
13:26 paul_p     the answer is probably: because v1 was done by a kiwi (New Zealand), then a frenchy came (me & hdl), and none of us have this question.
13:29 jwagner    I thought that might be it.  I'm not sure it's critical -- the library can enter City, State in the City field -- but we got a question on it.  It might be something to keep in mind if someone is overhauling the patron table in the future.  I think there are other countries than the U.S. that have the equivalent of states in addresses.  Thanks.
13:34 owen       I agree with jwagner on the City/State issue, but I share the US perspective. I suspect the preferred UI would be different for different countries.
13:37 jwagner    Maybe some kind of template that allows the site to pick the fields that should be part of a standard address?  I haven't dug into templates much yet -- don't know if that functionality is already there.
13:37 owen       Nope
13:37 owen       But I think it's a good idea. Some kind of global template for what patron fields to use.
13:37 owen       I can imagine it, but I don't know how you'd make it work :)
13:39 jwagner    Something like the MARC framework but simpler, for patron records?  With settings for Required, Optional, and Don't Display in the record editor?
13:42 paul_p     jwagner: there's already something to have fields mandatory/non mandatory. "hidden" could be added easily I think (it's a syspref, don't remember which atm)
13:44 owen       then we'd have to add some fields to accommodate different variations on city/state
13:45 owen       ...and maybe zip code/post code/whatever?
13:45 paul_p     and probably alternate address & 2nd, 3rd, 4th mail ...
13:45 paul_p     we have some libraries thinking the patron form is much too heavy !
13:46 paul_p     (some being happy with it)
13:46 paul_p     so, having a "hidden" option for each field is a very good idea ;-)
13:46 jwagner    Paul, the syspref you're referring to is BorrowerMandatoryField, correct?  Yes, maybe that could be expanded somehow.  I was also thinking about the patron edit screen -- where the fields are placed for data entry.
13:46 paul_p     jwagner: right
13:49 owen       From a usability point of view the trouble with BorrowerMandatoryField is that the librarian has to know the field names
13:51 paul_p     owen: ++
13:52 jwagner    Yes, I noticed that.  I'm not sure it's possible to modify the syspref edit screen to allow a pulldown or selection list, but maybe just add a display line containing all the field names?
13:53 paul_p     cheap version : add the field names (but think translations : that won't be good for other languages)
13:54 paul_p     perfect version : add a pulldown
13:54 owen       The language and opaclanguages prefs are a better model I think
13:55 gmcharlt   hdl_laptop: about?
14:00 hdl_laptop yes
14:00 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: i am here
14:00 gmcharlt   hdl_laptop: got a 3.0.1 tarfile for me?
14:01 hdl_laptop I sent the link on dl.free.fr yesterday
14:02 gmcharlt   hdl_laptop: I must have missed - please send it again
14:03 hdl_laptop resent
14:04 gmcharlt   got it now - didn't receive the email yesterday
14:06 hdl_laptop  http://dl.free.fr/cIEoRF3MK
14:06 hdl_laptop this link.
14:06 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: so kados must have missed it too.
14:07 gmcharlt   no matter, after I verify it, will put it today
14:07 gmcharlt   then you can announce the release
14:26 hdl_laptop ok thx
15:17 liz        question: is there a way to report on items that have a "long in transit time"
15:17 liz        in-transit
15:19 owen       Isn't that "transfers to receive" ? /cgi-bin/koha/circ/transferstoreceive.pl
15:20 liz        hm
15:20 liz        I'm thinking of items that are listed as "in transit"
15:21 liz        let me run it and look
15:25 owen       I don't know...The results of that report aren't exactly what I was thinking of, but it does list the date of transfer so you could see what the oldest ones were
15:26 owen       And that report does list things that are in transit, either because they're going back to their home branch or because they're on hold
15:35 kf         there is a syspref for long in transit warnings: TransfersMaxDaysWarning
15:37 kf         nicole writes: It is a way to alert that items in transit have not reached their destination in a reasonable amount of time.
15:40 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: have you had time to take a look at borrowers import I sent you in December ?
15:42 liz        kf: how does it alert?
15:42 hdl_laptop atz: about the OpenNCIP code in Koha, is there a way to make stuff synch again ? Is there a plan to do so ?
15:42 atz        i was discussing it w/ phase_fx
15:43 hdl_laptop code4lib channel ?
15:43 atz        it would be reasonable to do, but will require refactoring Koha install to CPAN it, for example
15:43 atz        no, phasefx is on here still
15:44 atz        i would like to do it, but it isn't a very high priority
15:45 atz        i think the differences are minor there
15:45 liz        kf: nm, rtfm
15:45 kf         sorry, afk liz
15:46 liz        sok, i found it :)
15:46 kf         ok :)
15:49 kf         team bowling today yay - bye #koha :)
18:49 tim        Does anyone know what would cause some subfields to be hidden in the editor on Koha 3 when they aren't set to hidden in the framework?
19:15 chris      yo nicole
19:15 chris      tim: beats me
19:15 nengard    yo
19:15 nengard    is paul around?
19:15 nengard    i wanted to get the kohacon announcement up on koha.org
19:15 chris      just missed him
19:15 chris      i can do that
19:16 nengard    thanks chris
19:16 nengard    that would be great
19:16 nengard    just the email he sent to kohadevel
19:16 nengard    it's the press release
19:16 chris      and to the main koha one?
19:16 nengard    and i want to link to it
19:16 nengard    yes - koha.org news
19:16 chris      k
19:16 chris      on the homepage?
19:16 mason      morning kids
19:16 nengard    y
19:16 chris      k
19:17 tim        nengard, I finally just set the fields to mandatory by editing the marc_subfield_structure table.  I'd still like to know why they woudn't show and why I can't set them to mandatory through the Koha interface.
19:17 chris      hey mason
19:17 nengard    tim - i'm confused - is this in relation to an email i have? or something else -
19:17 mason      tim: beats me too
19:17 nengard    if it beats the developers - then maybe it's a bug??
19:18 nengard    chris - the news should be here: http://koha.org/about-koha/news/  i guess
19:18 nengard    and that shows on the homepage
19:19 tim        Yup. It's the same problem as in the email.  My wording seems to be messed up.
19:19 chris      yeah you have to choose if you want it on the homepage or not
19:19 chris      kea has a pretty cool news system
19:19 nengard    ah
19:24 nengard    thanks chris
19:24 nengard    to all: http://koha.org/about-koha/news/nr1233775168.html
19:27 nengard    chris - is there a way to fix the RSS feed on this page??  http://koha.org/about-koha/news/index.html  If you can fix it then I can pull it into Facebook on the Koha Pages
19:29 chris      i didnt know it even had a feed
19:30 chris      oh yeah, it doesnt
19:32 Khalsa     waoh cool kohacon in Plano
19:33 Khalsa     would it be ok for someone who knows next-to-nothing about koha to go?
19:33 chris      yes indeed
19:34 Khalsa     also, why a thursday-friday?
19:34 chris      why not? :)
19:35 chris      if im gonna fly all the way from nz, i want at least a weekend there too :)
19:35 Khalsa     fair enough
19:36 Khalsa     sucks for me though since thursday's are difficult to get off, and pretty much all the things I'd want to go to are on the thursday >_>
19:36 Khalsa     and most conferences like this are usualy fri-sat which work out better (for me)
19:38 Khalsa     Luckily it's only a 230 mile drive for me (not a long ass flight like you)
19:38 chris      hmm its 1 hr flight to auckland, 13 hours to LA .. then whatever it takes to fly from there to texas .. ill be pretty tired :)
19:39 Khalsa     which is why you should take one day to rest and have the conference on fri-sat :p
19:39 chris      heh
19:39 danny      lol
19:40 chris      oh ill be flying the tuesday or so
19:40 chris      the developers conference is the 3 days after
19:41 Khalsa     I guess I shouldn't ask for much more. The group whom I'm about to try and help with Koha is in Dallas, so that part at least works out perfectly
19:41 Khalsa     I'll drag 2-3 of those people along
19:41 chris      awesome
19:41 chris      the more the merrier
19:41 danny      chris, has that been finalized too it will be the sat, sun, mon after?
19:42 chris      i think thats pretty much finalised now danny, afaik
19:42 danny      cool
19:44 nengard    Khalsa make sure you register everyone who's coming - we need a head count - since it's free we have to make sure everything is set up ahead of time
19:45 Khalsa     will-do
19:45 nengard    also share that link around so other Koha users and developers see it :)
19:45 nengard    so chris - back to that RSS ... any ideas??? :)
19:54 chris      nengard: that has never worked
19:55 chris       <link rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml" title="Development Blog" href="http://blogs.koha.org/xml/rss.xml" />
19:55 kados      nicomo: fwiw, clay is working on the  plone environment
19:55 nicomo     ok, cool
19:55 kados      oops, meant that for nengard
19:55 kados      :)
19:55 nicomo     never mind : I'm interested in it too
19:56 nicomo     as I'll have to think about the way we manage the french version of the manual too
19:56 nicomo     :-)
19:56 kados      should be easy with plone as you can translate pages directly
19:56 nicomo     cool : so keep me posted, thanks ;-)
21:41 atz        jeez, #kohanews is on fire today
21:42 atz        gmcharlt: finding GetMarcFromKohaField calls that don't supply necessary 2nd argument
21:42 atz        (argument can be "", but can't be undef)
21:44 atz        may cause weirdness... including call number sort breaking, perhaps
21:44 atz        patch coming
21:45 atz        seems strange, but we end up using  "" as a key in a hashref
21:45 atz        didn't think that was legal
21:45 atz        but i guess it is
21:47 gmcharlt   atz: "" is legal has a hash key, undef is not
21:49 atz        yeah, that's what i was saying
21:56 atz        gmcharlt: patch sent
22:33 Khalsa     Is the koha 3.x docs ( https://sites.google.com/a/liblime.com/koha-manual/Home ) complete enough for me to use as a base to start from to learn about koha?
22:37 mason      sure it is ;)
03:29 Amit       hi gm koha
03:29 Amit       gm mason
04:00 irma       server -m freenode
06:17 mc         hello world
06:20 Amit       hi mc
07:26 chris      evening
07:29 Amit       hi chris
08:11 mason      heya amit and chris
08:11 Amit       hi
08:16 anasha     hi mason
08:16 anasha     hows you?
08:18 paul_p     hello everybody
08:18 mason      me good :)
08:21 hdl_laptop hi anasha mason and paul_p
08:24 anasha     hello hdl_laptop
08:59 HARE9      hi