Time Nick Message 13:45 owen Good morning dedicated Koha factory workers union 13:46 paul_p hello owen 13:47 owen For you, paul_p, a Good Day. 13:48 hdl hi. 13:49 hdl owen... Why today especially ? 13:50 owen I'm giving a "Good Day" because your morning is now out of my control. 13:56 paul_p owen: :D 14:02 hdl lol 14:02 hdl hi gmcharlt 14:02 gmcharlt hi hdl 14:03 paul_p hi gmcharlt 14:03 gmcharlt hi paul_p & #koha 21:46 SelfishMan Has anyone migrated from Athena to Koha? 21:56 kados SelfishMan: yep, lots of libraries have done that 21:56 SelfishMan Any tips before I screw it up the first time? 21:57 kados SelfishMan: I believe West Liberty Public was an Athena library: www.wlpl.org 21:57 gmcharlt__ general tip: for any data migration, plan on having at least one test run before you do it for real 21:57 kados SelfishMan: hmmm, I've actually done a few of those athena migrations, I think it was pretty easy IIRC 21:57 kados SelfishMan: (/me works at LibLime) 21:57 SelfishMan Oh trust me, I'm going to do the migration a dozen times before I concern doing the production one 21:57 kados SelfishMan: the most complicated part is mapping your items 21:58 kados athena represents items in 852 and Koha does it in 952 21:58 kados so you might want to use something like MarcEdit to re-map those item fields 21:58 kados oh, there was something funky about the non-bib data too if I recall correctly 21:58 SelfishMan We've had concerns with exporting the data from Athena so the board has been reluctant to move away. With the acquisition by Follet they are looking to run away as quick as possible 21:58 kados it's in a strange format 21:59 SelfishMan Interesting. I appreciate the info 21:59 kados SelfishMan: if the board is hesitant it might be worthwhile to check out some of the professional services offered by Koha companies 21:59 kados http://koha.org/support/pay.html 22:00 kados some of the Koha companies have done literally dozens of Athena migrations ;-) 22:00 gmcharlt SelfishMan: if I remember correctly, Athena's database files are of a standard sort (FileMaker? not sure) that can be linked to and access using MS Access 22:00 gmcharlt so that would be one way to get at the data 22:00 SelfishMan kados: They were hesitant because of the hassle of migrating from Follet to Athena years ago but now they just want to get away from it and Koha is the preferred option 22:01 kados SelfishMan: gotcha 22:01 SelfishMan I have no doubt they will be willing to pay for the migration but I personally want to learn it inside and out as I hope to become an active member of the Koha community 22:02 gmcharlt SelfishMan: excellent idea! 22:02 kados SelfishMan: good to hear! 22:02 kados SelfishMan: in that case, welcome to the community :-) 22:04 SelfishMan A year ago (almost to the day) I asked the director about her feelings on open source and she was reluctant mostly because she wasn't familiar with any of it. After migrating all our public access computers to Ubuntu and the patrons were *happier* she warmed up to it quite a bit and the board loved the reduced cost of licensing and maintenance. 22:05 gmcharlt Ubuntu as a gateway drug - very nice 22:05 SelfishMan Several months ago a neighboring library migrated to Koha and now I have a chance at getting away from this unstable system we currently have 22:05 SelfishMan I have nothing against Windows but it wasn't secure enough for what we needed without spending a few thousand every year on licenses. 01:04 mason this is worthy of a read... 01:04 mason http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/12/linux-stop-holding-our-kids-back.html 01:11 gmcharlt mason: yikes! 02:14 Jo Hi there. 02:14 Jo Wondered if anyone could throw a word of confirmation my way regarding MARC bibliographic frameworks in a new koha 3.0 install 02:15 Jo can I ignore this part of the set up, and will Koha still 'work'. 02:15 Jo I gues I am asking, will the default install have a built in framework? 02:16 Jo (I am a marc virgin ... its going to be a big learning curve before I can create one) 02:16 mason heya 02:16 Jo Hey Mason 02:16 mason choose marc21 02:16 Jo yep - did that 02:16 mason aka USMARC? 02:16 mason good 02:16 mason a default one gets created.. 02:16 Jo brilliant. 02:17 mason i'll be about for the next few hours , so ask away ;) 02:17 Jo so that whole catalogue section on the setup screen: http://hltkoha3.katipo.co.nz:8080/cgi-bin/koha/admin/biblio_framework.pl 02:17 Jo can I ignore that area and just accept the defualts 02:18 Jo you probably can't see that ... 02:18 mason yes, i cant 02:18 Jo home\administration 02:19 Jo shall i quietly send you my login and password to my test site 02:20 mason i just PM'ed u 02:22 mason ta 02:22 mason i dont rememeber a 'cat section' on the setup screen 02:23 mason aah 02:23 Jo on the left: http://hltkoha3.katipo.co.nz:8080/cgi-bin/koha/admin/z3950servers.pl 02:23 mason yes, you can ignore all that the test a basic install.... 02:23 Jo great! 02:24 Jo and i see a z39.50 server comes by default too 02:24 Jo thanks Mason 02:24 mason bu* , u will want to look at those later , 02:25 Jo yep 02:25 Jo would be nice if there was a set of basic frameworks for different media formats to use as a starting point. 02:25 mason there are already 02:26 Jo ok - cool. where? I was just going tostart trawling through the koha list 02:26 mason looks like u didnt install them 02:26 Jo I got Katipo to install for me. 02:26 mason was an 'optional' option during the web-install 02:26 mason ok, no biggie... 02:27 Jo So, would you be able to install them for me (as a charge up client of course!) 02:27 mason yeah, its a quicky.. 02:27 Jo (sounds like I'm going to as much help as I can get..!) 02:29 mason if its a new install, prolly quicker to do the install again, with the 'optional' stuff included... 02:29 Jo NO! 02:29 mason but.. either/or 02:29 mason ok ;) 02:29 Jo you can't - I have spent days on this .... 02:29 Jo huge big learning curve .... 02:30 Jo (although having done the learning it should be a lot easier 2nd time around) 02:33 mason just mailed u some example frameworks... 02:33 Jo thanks heaps. 02:34 mason historically, the frameworks are something clients want to modify for their own cataloguers 02:34 Jo yep - and I ams ure we will want too as well. 02:35 mason and the mod usually involves removing all the un-needed fields 02:35 Jo thanks for that heads up. 02:35 mason so you end up with a nice stripped-down framework, that hopefully fits on 1 page 02:35 Jo I'll work through them. 02:36 mason which makes life better for the catalogers 02:36 Jo hey Mason, I have a screen shot 02:37 Jo so i can see what kinds of frameworks are there 02:37 mason and speds up the loading time too, i guess... 02:37 Jo but none of the detail - am i missing something? 02:37 Jo 2 pngs 02:39 mason just mailed u login details.. 02:40 mason feel free to have a poke about. 02:40 Jo Thanks heaps Mason. 02:41 Jo (wanders off to read...) 04:17 chris atz: joann has been using til reconciliation every day since jan 3 2000, so while it may be buggy, it wouldnt call it limited use ;) 04:18 atz i mean that she is in one library with one workflow 04:18 atz i end up fielding support requests from many different libraries on fines 04:19 chris theres no doubt it needs work 04:19 atz for example, do they use "writeoff" payment types? do they charge fines for ILL items returned not at home library? 04:20 chris yes they do use writeoffs 04:20 chris no to ILL 04:20 chris fines 04:20 chris HLT are just feeling scared, because each upgrade they lose features 04:20 atz then don't upgrade 04:21 chris heh 04:21 chris they gain features too 04:21 atz HLT *should* lose features! Their shit was hardcoded! 04:21 chris nice 04:22 chris thats a great attitude you have there 04:22 atz i'm kidding... 04:22 atz and i see where they are coming from 04:23 atz but they did have a lot of code that was *only* useful for HLT committed to the repo 04:23 chris you are totally right about the fines, it needs to be fixed 04:23 chris the main one they lost was the ability not to have to use marc 04:23 atz yeah, i haven't heard any pushback on that until now 04:23 chris but that was before liblime existed 04:24 atz when did it get phased out? 04:25 chris basically when the marc support was added 04:25 chris so 2.0.x 04:25 atz heh... yeah, "when it became an ILS" 04:25 chris when it became as broken as all the other ILS's :) 04:25 atz yeah, tell me about it. i have encoding issues like crazy now. 04:26 chris this class work should help tho 04:26 atz try getting lithuanian in marc21. 04:26 chris we should be able to abstract a NOMARC view easy(ish) 04:27 chris i mean you could do it now with xslt 04:27 chris and some work on the cataloguing side 04:27 atz yeah, i guess I don't see where they are coming from being fixated on "nomarc" 04:27 atz if the cataloging interface is clean enough, who cares? 04:27 chris they dont care how its stored in the back, they just dont wait to have to see it 04:27 chris wait= want 04:28 chris whcih is probably the case for most special/corporate libraries 04:28 atz so they would be satisfied with simplified "easy" cataloging interface? 04:28 chris hlt do have library school graduates who know marc .. but lots of libraries dont 04:29 chris pretty much 04:29 atz sure... some of my old k-12 librarians didn't even know how to use a mouse 04:29 chris eg www.opus.co.nz 04:30 chris run koha 04:30 atz So they are thinking, i put the author, title and isbn and I'm done? 04:30 chris and they catalogue mostly self written engineering reports 04:30 chris they probably want subjects too 04:30 chris and abstract 04:30 chris but not much more than that 04:30 atz can't that be accomplished now with a custom framework? 04:31 chris almost 04:31 chris if we had a custom framework 04:31 chris that because the default, if you had nomarc switched on 04:31 chris i reckon that would pretty much do it 04:32 atz rather, allow any framework to be specified as the default 04:32 atz including this custom one 04:32 chris yeah that'd work 04:32 chris and if it still made valid marc records in the back 04:32 atz (i think that may be possible already) 04:33 chris that would be even cooler 04:33 chris (or as valid as marc ever gets) 04:33 atz right 04:34 chris the other feature they lost, was the ability to reserve all manifestations of a work in one screen 04:34 chris but that looks to be coming back 04:34 chris with acmoores rfc 04:35 chris the holdings or summarys one 04:36 chris so that will be cool 04:36 atz yeah, holds is going to get reworked several times in the next year 04:36 chris thats the main suck point of current ILS's 04:36 atz everybody has such divergent requirements for holds 04:36 chris yeah 04:36 chris i wonder if we need to do 'profiles' 04:37 chris like a superset of preferences 04:37 chris corporate library profile, choose that, and it presets a bunch of system prefs for you 04:37 chris consortia profile etc 04:38 atz i've been putting of re-orienting the syspref tab hashes to be mutliple-depth 04:38 atz instead of $hash{variable}=tab; 04:38 chris ahh right 04:39 atz but that would be in the same line 04:39 chris right, i probably should start heading home, and you should probably be asleep :-) 04:39 atz just finished a late round of cooking.... 04:40 atz chilling out w/ a sleepy kitten on my lap annoyed at my typing 04:40 chris hehe 04:40 atz ttyl 04:41 chris cya later 05:01 anasha I am planning to start localized Indian Kaha user group 05:02 anasha a Localized Indian Community for KOHA! 05:03 anasha as koha users number is increasing everyday 05:04 anasha kados, mason 05:05 mason hiya anasha 05:05 mason whats up? 05:06 anasha i am fine hows you 05:06 anasha how about if i start a koha india user group 05:07 mason very good here too! 05:07 anasha the idea is to provide then support locally 05:07 mason its summer and the weather is nice, lots of frisbee ;) 05:07 anasha we will conducting free training and workshop 05:08 anasha are you a bot? 05:08 mason nah, im a real human 05:08 anasha ook 05:08 anasha ;) 05:09 anasha how my idea 05:09 mason but i play one on the 1nt3rn3t ;) 05:09 mason sounds like a great idea anasha 05:09 mason you close to mumbai? 05:10 anasha yes I am in mumbai, and i have offices in all major cities in india 05:10 mason perfect! 05:11 anasha i have very close ties with Indian Library Association here 05:12 mason we are planning the same thing in new zealand 05:13 mason it will be good to swap ideas and experiences ;) 05:13 anasha we will be getting some help from government of india to Penetrate koha in all mejor universities and colleges india 05:15 anasha and the idea is to connect them all together so that a aptron can move from one library to another with same priviliges which he/she has with his/her library 05:17 mason hmm, perhaps koha's ldap would be good for that.... 05:17 mason a very nice idea, too 05:18 anasha yes 05:18 anasha we are working on it 05:18 anasha and will need your help very often 05:19 mason local 'koha-india' mailing-lists could be helpful for you 05:19 anasha yes 05:19 anasha kohaindia.org and kohaindia.com i got registerd recently 05:19 mason cool 05:20 mason sounds like its all-go over there 05:20 anasha ;) 05:20 mason ok, back to work for me... 05:21 anasha ok 05:21 mason lets keep in touch 05:21 anasha yes sure 05:21 anasha can i have your handphone no 05:22 mason i think amit has been doing some ldap stuff recently, too 05:22 mason sure, i'll email it to you 05:22 anasha it was i doing at my place 05:23 mason ah, gotcha 05:23 anasha he worked with me for a month so 05:23 mason lol, nice one ;) 05:23 mason sure sure 05:23 anasha but things couldn't worked out well 05:24 mason how is mumbai now, is it safe? 05:24 anasha yes it is 05:25 mason ok, good to hear this news 05:25 mason and the koha-india new too 05:26 anasha thanks 05:26 mason chat you later 05:26 anasha ok 05:44 hdl anasha: around ? 05:44 anasha hdl: yes? 05:45 hdl I thought you didnot know amit. 05:45 anasha i know him 05:46 anasha is there there anything specific ?