Time Nick Message 04:53 Amit hi hdl 23:28 hdl_laptop good. 23:20 chris hows the hackfest going hdl? 23:17 hdl_laptop So I guess yes. 23:17 hdl_laptop slef: it is midnight in france. 23:16 slef mc gone? 22:44 mc 'night all 22:21 atz_ feel free to git mv it wherever in the tree you think is good 22:21 atz_ on the wiki, of course, it is useless 22:20 gmcharlt cya acmoore 22:20 atz_ so it does not affect make test 22:20 atz_ acmoore: i created a directory under t/other 22:20 acmoore I'm headed out. See y'all next week. 22:20 acmoore gmcharlt and atz: or maybe in xt/other or xt/misc or something, since it's test code. But, I don't mind really. 22:15 gmcharlt chris: ok, thanks 22:15 chris gmcharlt: im just about to send through a patch with updated italian .po files 22:13 gmcharlt as "executable doc", somewhere under misc/ or on the wiki seems good 22:09 chris could put it in a branch, its tres easy to merge back from a branch at a later point 22:09 atz_ i think of it as executable documentation 22:08 atz_ yeah, i think it doesn't make sense to keep it somewhere else. 22:08 acmoore that patch is just for demonstratoin purposes, isn't it? Do you expect it to be committed to the head? 22:06 acmoore oh, no kidding? oh, good. 22:06 atz_ so basically we're saying we require Text::CSV in binary mode 22:05 atz_ Text::CSV uses CSV_XS in binary mode 22:05 acmoore Text::CSV and Text::CSV_XS? 22:05 atz_ that kind of thing will come up a lot w/ any input/output mechanism... like sendmail 22:05 acmoore so, do you know why it is that we require two different CSV modules? 22:04 acmoore that looks like interesting stuff to investigate. 22:04 acmoore I saw your patch with the script demonstrating different CSV modules. 22:04 atz_ ? 22:03 acmoore atz_: you around? 21:42 chris back 21:39 gmcharlt or vice-versa 21:39 gmcharlt perhaps deafult to keep it displayed (like Amazon), with syspref to hide it 21:37 nicomo hum... it's a tricky one I guess: glass half full, half empty sort of thing 21:36 owen Normally I would agree, but we've gotten feedback from users suggesting that it does cause confusion 21:36 nicomo I'll enter the bug about the missing buttons and put you in CC owen 21:35 nicomo yes, but it should be weighted against the problem of having UI inconsistency : that masthead never changes, except here, which is odd for the patron 21:34 owen The reason the search box is not displayed on opac-search.pl is to prevent confusion about what constitutes the main focus of the page 21:33 DECUIR and i dont know for what 21:33 DECUIR koha error in line 242 21:33 DECUIR in the moment to insert a image .jpg in the patrons appear one error 21:33 owen nicomo: I think so 21:31 nicomo I'm about to enter a bug to have the Cart and Lists buttons restored to that page as well: should I? 21:31 nicomo would be nice, though, to have that search box there on opac-search.pl 21:30 owen Yeah, that's the commit I remember. Thanks. 21:29 gmcharlt owen: http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=commitdiff;h=143b757cfe0eed322bcc220070b9e683e16cb793 ? 21:28 owen Okay, I must have made that up 21:28 atz_ i don't recall the search being part of it 21:28 gmcharlt atz_ did do a patch to always display the adv search link, including when on the adv search page 21:27 atz_ my patch that I remember made the links at the top display 21:27 atz_ maybe... 21:26 owen I mean the resident search box, which right now is hidden only on that page 21:26 owen Hi atz_ . Do I remember right that you submitted a patch to put the search box onto opac-search.pl? 21:25 atz_ ? 21:24 owen atz_: you around? 21:06 nicomo is that at all possible? 21:06 owen rach should be the one with an "original" version of the logo, although maybe not svg 21:06 nicomo ah, owen I'd be interested in getting a copy too 21:06 owen I might have a version on a different computer, and I'm going to email it to mc if so 21:05 nicomo I asked rach once and she could not provide me with one... 21:05 nicomo mc : not that i know of 20:55 mc is there an svg version of the koha logo ? 20:55 Sharon the staff just want auditory feedback, so they don't have to look at the screen after each scan of a barcode. 20:54 Sharon most of the staff stations have flash, yes. 20:53 mc note it's a WIP! please report bugs and propose patches 20:53 owen Sharon: would you expect your libraries to have the Flash plugin installed? 20:53 mc http://mc.koha-fr.org/mac/ports/ 20:53 mc DECUIR: koha macports installation notes: 20:52 owen That particular solution was offered specifically for circ. I suppose it could be adapted for check-ins too. Not sure if there's any place else it would be required. 20:52 owen I'm not sure what the status is, though 20:52 owen The issue has been raised, and a solution has been offered that would incorporate a small embedded flash file to play the sound 20:49 Sharon good. I had a question. Are there plans for sound cues in the staff client, to give feedback to staff about transaction errors? 20:48 owen Hi Sharon, how's everything going? 20:34 DECUIR i completed that 20:33 DECUIR yes i check books 20:30 owen DECUIR: I think you should figure out how to check books out before you try to set up SMS 20:27 chris bbl, have a good weekend all 20:27 DECUIR ok and where is the opccion to send sms 20:25 chris the rest of the time u use the cookie 20:25 chris owen: so you only talk to the db (or in our case memcached) when the session begins, or ends 20:24 chris owen: does that make sense? (we also have a couple of layers of caching between the web app and the db also) 20:24 chris decuir: i dont know how it works in 3.0 in the old days we just used to get koha to send emails to an email->sms gateway and it would send the sms 20:23 DECUIR how to use sms service in koha how to work??? 20:23 chris or 1 to fetch from db, then u set and use the cookie 20:22 chris 2 queries, 1 to set in the db, then you just use the cookie from then on 20:22 chris nope, cos you use the cookie 20:22 chris if they are surfing the site anonymously then no 20:22 owen doesn't that significantly increase database queries? 20:22 chris if the person has logged in, yes 20:21 owen Does your project store it in the database? 20:21 chris if you store in the db, then next session it will still be minimise (you can always expand it again) 20:20 chris you could do either, cookie will just last for that session 20:20 DECUIR :P 20:20 DECUIR hello im com back one time more 20:20 owen Dismissing it permanently? Do you set a cookie, or something in the database? 20:20 chris so that it stays off until they toggle it back on 20:20 chris store it in the preferences for the user (librarian) 20:18 chris and you turn it off, and it minimises :) 20:18 chris with some ajax/css have a checkbox on that part of the screen 20:17 chris or even cooler 20:17 chris ? 20:17 chris toggle that off, you dont see fines or charges 20:17 chris or "display money (or a better word) information" 20:16 chris then if you had both those on, then you could turn that off 20:16 chris yeah if we had a pref that was no rental charges 20:16 owen I just wish there was a good way to hide some of this stuff if it's not relevant to your library 20:15 chris :) 20:14 owen Hmm... good point. 20:14 chris not rental charges also? 20:14 chris is that only ever used for fines? 20:14 mc damn it! i just spoke about my isp relability and their nntp server just shut down :( 20:13 owen if finesMode is OFF, could we safely hide fines-related elements of the interface? (charges column, dropbox mode, etc) 20:12 mc well .. i don't trust my isp enought to do it 20:12 chris which is on a pretty reliable cable modem connection 20:12 chris i run it on my server at home 20:12 chris :) 20:12 mc when i'll find a new server to host it 20:11 mc i'll back on it 20:10 chris i can even make it play nice with libnotify 20:10 mc hehe 20:10 chris i still use irssi and screen :) 19:42 mc yeah ... alerts are nice 19:41 mc i see the homepage 19:41 atz_ growl is a desktop plugin on macos that does notification stuff like audio alert, bounce the dock icon, etc. 19:41 mc it's a software :) 19:41 mc oh 19:41 mc (google didn't help) 19:40 mc "with growl" ? 19:40 atz_ it does integrate with growl nicely though 19:40 mc yep 19:39 atz_ and up-arrow doesn't work 19:39 atz_ yeah on colloquy the line commands are suckier 19:38 mc but i can't easilly edit the current line 19:38 mc perhaps it's a pb of settings 19:38 mc well 19:37 atz_ chatzilla had memory leaks 19:37 atz_ ah... colloquy trumps my other options 19:37 mc i'm not happy about it 19:36 mc i use colloquy 19:36 mc but mac has the same pb 19:36 mc well.. on linux 19:36 atz_ mc: on mac OS? 19:26 mc owen: but i'll try it some day 19:24 mc hmpf ... 19:23 owen mc: there's always chatzilla 19:22 mc omg! is there a decent graphical irc client ? 19:22 mc slef? 19:02 ryan given the current looseness of the indexing definitions 19:01 ryan the issue being that the matching algorithms don't quite behave as expected 19:01 ryan any objections ? 19:01 ryan and also, i'd like to make changes to the base indexing rules to include ONLY subfield ‡a for both isbn and issn. 18:59 atz_ if that were true. 18:59 ryan really? 18:58 atz_ a good argument *would* be that there's no difference between the two 18:58 ryan can anyone make a good argument for why 022$a is indexed as both issn _and_isbn ? 17:31 decuir jejje 17:31 mc funny 17:31 mc i didn't know pacamac 17:29 decuir yes 17:29 mc pacamac ? 17:29 decuir :P 17:29 decuir ok 17:28 slef you know they'll buy you a pacamac not an applemac 17:28 mc i will ask biblibre to buy me a mac :) 17:27 decuir :) 17:27 mc i'm on tiger :( 17:27 mc keepalive is leopard feature 17:27 slef now I must cook and so on 17:27 mc i can't do it 17:26 slef mc: I think it wants RunAtLoad replacing with KeepAlive now too 17:26 mc sure i'll look inside files before using it 17:26 slef mc: there are fink-specific bits you'll need to adjust in the paths 17:25 mc slef: 17:25 mc thanks 17:25 decuir i checked 17:25 decuir yes 17:25 slef the plist files are in there 17:25 slef http://serene.ttllp.co.uk/~mjr/fink-10.5/ 17:25 slef mc: perhaps 17:24 mc well ... perhaps you'll switch if koha is entierly packaged :) 17:24 mc ok 17:24 mc ho 17:24 slef No pb. I think it wasn't around when I first used OSX. 17:23 mc (i never tried fink ... but it looks the same, no ? ) 17:23 mc what is the pb with macport ? 17:23 mc ok 17:23 slef mc: 1mo and I'll copy the plist files out 17:22 slef mc: I use fink. I don't understand macports yet 17:21 decuir yes a little 17:19 mc decuir: but note that is a WIP 17:19 mc i'll prepare it 17:16 decuir but i will be implement 17:16 decuir i don`t have 17:15 owen decuir: do your books have barcodes? 17:15 decuir yes 17:14 mc so i have to publish it 17:14 mc oh 17:14 decuir a im interested 17:14 decuir yes 17:14 mc it can interest you :) 17:13 mc slef: i wrote macport Portfiles for koha perl dependencies 17:13 mc decuir: answered to slef for my mac pb 17:11 decuir a sorry and how a work a plist file i dont understand clearly 17:08 mc i badly need a working plist file 17:08 mc slef: oh yes! 17:08 decuir and now??? 17:05 decuir alright 17:04 decuir yes 17:03 slef go the home page, then go "Circulation" to start checking books out 17:02 decuir librarian 17:02 decuir its correct 17:02 decuir yes 17:02 slef decuir: are you using the public catalogue or the librarian/interface? 17:02 slef all the joe the plumber is a bit odd 16:58 owen What do you mean, you only see the books? 16:54 decuir but i want borrow my books 16:54 decuir only see the books 16:54 decuir yes 16:52 owen You're trying to check something out and it doesn't work? 16:51 decuir how can i borrow my books? 16:51 owen I hope we can answer 16:49 decuir i have a little question? 16:47 decuir i come back 16:47 decuir yes 16:42 owen Hi again decuir 16:39 miyo how are you? 16:39 miyo hi 16:33 paul_p :D 16:33 gmcharlt ouch 16:22 slef 10.5 even 16:22 slef mc: 1.5 changed stuff. Want a plist file? 16:21 slef mc: yes 16:07 paul_p (on mac OSX) 16:04 mc does anyone have an experience with zebrasrv and launchd ? 16:03 mc hello world 15:53 gmcharlt owen: see the splitting commits heading of http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git-core/docs/git-rebase.html 15:50 owen Crap, I think I sqashed into the wrong commit. 15:41 gmcharlt see http://blogs.liblime.com/developers/2008/06/06/gitting-used-to-git/ by acmoore 15:41 gmcharlt then interactive rebase to squash your patches together 15:41 gmcharlt flow would be fetch and rebase to sync up with the rest of the world 15:40 gmcharlt yes 15:40 owen Even if I've rebase since the first patch was generated? 15:39 gmcharlt you can use git rebase --interactive origin to merge the two patches into one 15:39 gmcharlt owen: if it's more fixes to the first patch, not adding on, replacing the patch and resubmiting is a good idea 15:37 owen Better to create a new branch and put the new changes together with the changes from the other patch and resubmit? 15:36 owen So, I submitted a patch for to change the opac layout. It had problems, so I've made some changes to address them. 15:36 owen Hi gmcharlt. I'm getting myself confused about git again. 15:35 gmcharlt hi owen 15:30 owen gmcharlt: are you around? 15:18 Amit slef 15:18 Amit hi 13:02 nahuel ok, ttyl 13:02 nahuel so I create a new bug 13:02 nahuel every time I search if an existing bug exists, and don't find anything 13:01 gmcharlt back in half an hour 13:01 gmcharlt anyway, I need to step away for a moment to drive my wife to work 13:01 gmcharlt (also, Version generally should not be set to unspecified in a bug - should be HEAD or rel_3_0 as needed) 13:01 nahuel I checked it 13:01 gmcharlt for example, I think your 2766 is a duplicate 13:01 gmcharlt also, please check bugs.koha.org for duplicates 13:00 nahuel yes of course 13:00 nahuel ok, just received your email 13:00 gmcharlt so that the two of you can avoid duplicate work 13:00 gmcharlt so I've asked Allen to contact you 13:00 gmcharlt and it looks like around the same time you started working on similar bugs 13:00 gmcharlt and he's been working on them 12:59 gmcharlt nahuel: I had assigned Allen several bugs from bugs.koha.org 12:59 gmcharlt nahuel: yep, just sent an email to you and Allen Reinmeyer 12:59 nahuel gmcharlt, paul asked me to contact you about the virtual shelves 12:58 gmcharlt hi nahuel 12:58 nahuel gmcharlt, hi 11:17 slef kados: I'm keener on the project's best interests being protected