Time  Nick       Message
04:53 Amit       hi hdl
23:28 hdl_laptop good.
23:20 chris      hows the hackfest going hdl?
23:17 hdl_laptop So I guess yes.
23:17 hdl_laptop slef: it is midnight in france.
23:16 slef       mc gone?
22:44 mc         'night all
22:21 atz_       feel free to git mv it wherever in the tree you think is good
22:21 atz_       on the wiki, of course, it is useless
22:20 gmcharlt   cya acmoore
22:20 atz_       so it does not affect make test
22:20 atz_       acmoore: i created a directory under t/other
22:20 acmoore    I'm headed out. See y'all next week.
22:20 acmoore    gmcharlt and atz: or maybe in xt/other or xt/misc or something, since it's test code. But, I don't mind really.
22:15 gmcharlt   chris: ok, thanks
22:15 chris      gmcharlt: im just about to send through a patch with updated italian .po files
22:13 gmcharlt   as "executable doc", somewhere under misc/ or on the wiki seems good
22:09 chris      could put it in a branch, its tres easy to merge back from a branch at a later point
22:09 atz_       i think of it as executable documentation
22:08 atz_       yeah, i think it doesn't make sense to keep it somewhere else.
22:08 acmoore    that patch is just for demonstratoin purposes, isn't it? Do you expect it to be committed to the head?
22:06 acmoore    oh, no kidding? oh, good.
22:06 atz_       so basically we're saying we require Text::CSV in binary mode
22:05 atz_       Text::CSV uses CSV_XS in binary mode
22:05 acmoore    Text::CSV and Text::CSV_XS?
22:05 atz_       that kind of thing will come up a lot w/ any input/output mechanism... like sendmail
22:05 acmoore    so, do you know why it is that we require two different CSV modules?
22:04 acmoore    that looks like interesting stuff to investigate.
22:04 acmoore    I saw your patch with the script demonstrating different CSV modules.
22:04 atz_       ?
22:03 acmoore    atz_: you around?
21:42 chris      back
21:39 gmcharlt   or vice-versa
21:39 gmcharlt   perhaps deafult to keep it displayed (like Amazon), with syspref to hide it
21:37 nicomo     hum... it's a tricky one I guess: glass half full, half empty sort of thing
21:36 owen       Normally I would agree, but we've gotten feedback from users suggesting that it does cause confusion
21:36 nicomo     I'll enter the bug about the missing buttons and put you in CC owen
21:35 nicomo     yes, but it should be weighted against the problem of having UI inconsistency : that masthead never changes, except here, which is odd for the patron
21:34 owen       The reason the search box is not displayed on opac-search.pl is to prevent confusion about what constitutes the main focus of the page
21:33 DECUIR     and i dont know for what
21:33 DECUIR     koha error in line 242
21:33 DECUIR     in the moment to insert a image .jpg in the patrons appear one error
21:33 owen       nicomo: I think so
21:31 nicomo     I'm about to enter a bug to have the Cart and Lists buttons restored to that page as well: should I?
21:31 nicomo     would be nice, though, to have that search box there on opac-search.pl
21:30 owen       Yeah, that's the commit I remember. Thanks.
21:29 gmcharlt   owen: http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=commitdiff;h=143b757cfe0eed322bcc220070b9e683e16cb793 ?
21:28 owen       Okay, I must have made that up
21:28 atz_       i don't recall the search being part of it
21:28 gmcharlt   atz_ did do a patch to always display the adv search link, including when on the adv search page
21:27 atz_       my patch that I remember made the links at the top display
21:27 atz_       maybe...
21:26 owen       I mean the resident search box, which right now is hidden only on that page
21:26 owen       Hi atz_ . Do I remember right that you submitted a patch to put the search box onto opac-search.pl?
21:25 atz_       ?
21:24 owen       atz_: you around?
21:06 nicomo     is that at all possible?
21:06 owen       rach should be the one with an "original" version of the logo, although maybe not svg
21:06 nicomo     ah, owen I'd be interested in getting a copy too
21:06 owen       I might have a version on a different computer, and I'm going to email it to mc if so
21:05 nicomo     I asked rach once and she could not provide me with one...
21:05 nicomo     mc : not that i know of
20:55 mc         is there an svg version of the koha logo ?
20:55 Sharon     the staff just want auditory feedback, so they don't have to look at the screen after each scan of a barcode.
20:54 Sharon     most of the staff stations have flash, yes.
20:53 mc         note it's a WIP! please report bugs and propose patches
20:53 owen       Sharon: would you expect your libraries to have the Flash plugin installed?
20:53 mc         http://mc.koha-fr.org/mac/ports/
20:53 mc         DECUIR: koha macports installation notes:
20:52 owen       That particular solution was offered specifically for circ. I suppose it could be adapted for check-ins too. Not sure if there's any place else it would be required.
20:52 owen       I'm not sure what the status is, though
20:52 owen       The issue has been raised, and a solution has been offered that would incorporate a small embedded flash file to play the sound
20:49 Sharon     good. I had a question.  Are there plans for sound cues in the staff client, to give feedback to staff about transaction errors?
20:48 owen       Hi Sharon, how's everything going?
20:34 DECUIR     i completed that
20:33 DECUIR     yes i check books
20:30 owen       DECUIR: I think you should figure out how to check books out before you try to set up SMS
20:27 chris      bbl, have a good weekend all
20:27 DECUIR     ok and where is the opccion to send sms
20:25 chris      the rest of the time u use the cookie
20:25 chris      owen: so you only talk to the db (or in our case memcached) when the session begins, or ends
20:24 chris      owen: does that make sense? (we also have a couple of layers of caching between the web app and the db also)
20:24 chris      decuir: i dont know how it works in 3.0 in the old days we just used to get koha to send emails to an email->sms gateway and it would send the sms
20:23 DECUIR     how to use sms service in koha how to work???
20:23 chris      or 1 to fetch from db, then u set and use the cookie
20:22 chris      2 queries, 1 to set in the db, then you just use the cookie from then on
20:22 chris      nope, cos you use the cookie
20:22 chris      if they are surfing the site anonymously then no
20:22 owen       doesn't that significantly increase database queries?
20:22 chris      if the person has logged in, yes
20:21 owen       Does your project store it in the database?
20:21 chris      if you store in the db, then next session it will still be minimise (you can always expand it again)
20:20 chris      you could do either, cookie will just last for that session
20:20 DECUIR     :P
20:20 DECUIR     hello im com back one time more
20:20 owen       Dismissing it permanently? Do you set a cookie, or something in the database?
20:20 chris      so that it stays off until they toggle it back on
20:20 chris      store it in the preferences for the user (librarian)
20:18 chris      and you turn it off, and it minimises :)
20:18 chris      with some ajax/css have a checkbox on that part of the screen
20:17 chris      or even cooler
20:17 chris      ?
20:17 chris      toggle that off, you dont see fines or charges
20:17 chris      or "display money (or a better word) information"
20:16 chris      then if you had both those on, then you could turn that off
20:16 chris      yeah if we had a pref that was no rental charges
20:16 owen       I just wish there was a good way to hide some of this stuff if it's not relevant to your library
20:15 chris      :)
20:14 owen       Hmm... good point.
20:14 chris      not rental charges also?
20:14 chris      is that only ever used for fines?
20:14 mc         damn it! i just spoke about my isp relability and their nntp server just shut down :(
20:13 owen       if finesMode is OFF, could we safely hide fines-related elements of the interface? (charges column, dropbox mode, etc)
20:12 mc         well .. i don't trust my isp enought to do it
20:12 chris      which is on a pretty reliable cable modem connection
20:12 chris      i run it on my server at home
20:12 chris      :)
20:12 mc         when i'll find a new server to host it
20:11 mc         i'll back on it
20:10 chris      i can even make it play nice with libnotify
20:10 mc         hehe
20:10 chris      i still use irssi and screen :)
19:42 mc         yeah ... alerts are nice
19:41 mc         i see the homepage
19:41 atz_       growl is a desktop plugin on macos that does notification stuff like audio alert, bounce the dock icon, etc.
19:41 mc         it's a software :)
19:41 mc         oh
19:41 mc         (google didn't help)
19:40 mc         "with growl" ?
19:40 atz_       it does integrate with growl nicely though
19:40 mc         yep
19:39 atz_       and up-arrow doesn't work
19:39 atz_       yeah on colloquy the line commands are suckier
19:38 mc         but i can't easilly edit the current line
19:38 mc         perhaps it's a pb of settings
19:38 mc         well
19:37 atz_       chatzilla had memory leaks
19:37 atz_       ah... colloquy trumps my other options
19:37 mc         i'm not happy about it
19:36 mc         i use colloquy
19:36 mc         but mac has the same pb
19:36 mc         well.. on linux
19:36 atz_       mc: on mac OS?
19:26 mc         owen: but i'll try it some day
19:24 mc         hmpf ...
19:23 owen       mc: there's always chatzilla
19:22 mc         omg! is there a decent graphical irc client ?
19:22 mc         slef?
19:02 ryan       given the current looseness of the indexing definitions
19:01 ryan       the issue being that the matching algorithms don't quite behave as expected
19:01 ryan       any objections ?
19:01 ryan       and also,  i'd like to make changes to the base indexing rules to include ONLY subfield ‡a for both isbn and issn.
18:59 atz_       if that were true.
18:59 ryan       really?
18:58 atz_       a good argument *would* be that there's no difference between the two
18:58 ryan       can anyone make a good argument for why 022$a is indexed as both issn _and_isbn ?
17:31 decuir     jejje
17:31 mc         funny
17:31 mc         i didn't know pacamac
17:29 decuir     yes
17:29 mc         pacamac ?
17:29 decuir     :P
17:29 decuir     ok
17:28 slef       you know they'll buy you a pacamac not an applemac
17:28 mc         i will ask biblibre to buy me a mac :)
17:27 decuir     :)
17:27 mc         i'm on tiger :(
17:27 mc         keepalive is leopard feature
17:27 slef       now I must cook and so on
17:27 mc         i can't do it
17:26 slef       mc: I think it wants RunAtLoad replacing with KeepAlive now too
17:26 mc         sure i'll look inside files before using it
17:26 slef       mc: there are fink-specific bits you'll need to adjust in the paths
17:25 mc         slef:
17:25 mc         thanks
17:25 decuir     i checked
17:25 decuir     yes
17:25 slef       the plist files are in there
17:25 slef       http://serene.ttllp.co.uk/~mjr/fink-10.5/
17:25 slef       mc: perhaps
17:24 mc         well ... perhaps you'll switch if koha is entierly packaged :)
17:24 mc         ok
17:24 mc         ho
17:24 slef       No pb. I think it wasn't around when I first used OSX.
17:23 mc         (i never tried fink ... but it looks the same, no ? )
17:23 mc         what is the pb with macport ?
17:23 mc         ok
17:23 slef       mc: 1mo and I'll copy the plist files out
17:22 slef       mc: I use fink. I don't understand macports yet
17:21 decuir     yes a little
17:19 mc         decuir: but note that is a WIP
17:19 mc         i'll prepare it
17:16 decuir     but i will be implement
17:16 decuir     i don`t have
17:15 owen       decuir: do your books have barcodes?
17:15 decuir     yes
17:14 mc         so i have to publish it
17:14 mc         oh
17:14 decuir     a im interested
17:14 decuir     yes
17:14 mc         it can interest you :)
17:13 mc         slef: i wrote macport Portfiles for koha perl dependencies
17:13 mc         decuir:  answered to slef for my mac pb
17:11 decuir     a sorry and how a work a plist file i dont understand clearly
17:08 mc         i badly need a working plist file
17:08 mc         slef: oh yes!
17:08 decuir     and now???
17:05 decuir     alright
17:04 decuir     yes
17:03 slef       go the home page, then go "Circulation" to start checking books out
17:02 decuir     librarian
17:02 decuir      its correct
17:02 decuir     yes
17:02 slef       decuir: are you using the public catalogue or the librarian/interface?
17:02 slef       all the joe the plumber is a bit odd
16:58 owen       What do you mean, you only see the books?
16:54 decuir     but i want borrow my books
16:54 decuir     only see the books
16:54 decuir     yes
16:52 owen       You're trying to check something out and it doesn't work?
16:51 decuir     how can i borrow my books?
16:51 owen       I hope we can answer
16:49 decuir     i have a little question?
16:47 decuir     i come back
16:47 decuir     yes
16:42 owen       Hi again decuir
16:39 miyo       how are you?
16:39 miyo       hi
16:33 paul_p     :D
16:33 gmcharlt   ouch
16:22 slef       10.5 even
16:22 slef       mc: 1.5 changed stuff.  Want a plist file?
16:21 slef       mc: yes
16:07 paul_p     (on mac OSX)
16:04 mc         does anyone have an experience with zebrasrv and launchd ?
16:03 mc         hello world
15:53 gmcharlt   owen: see the splitting commits heading of http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git-core/docs/git-rebase.html
15:50 owen       Crap, I think I sqashed into the wrong commit.
15:41 gmcharlt   see http://blogs.liblime.com/developers/2008/06/06/gitting-used-to-git/ by acmoore
15:41 gmcharlt   then interactive rebase to squash your patches together
15:41 gmcharlt   flow would be fetch and rebase to sync up with the rest of the world
15:40 gmcharlt   yes
15:40 owen       Even if I've rebase since the first patch was generated?
15:39 gmcharlt   you can use git rebase --interactive origin to merge the two patches into one
15:39 gmcharlt   owen: if it's more fixes to the first patch, not adding on, replacing the patch and resubmiting is a good idea
15:37 owen       Better to create a new branch and put the new changes together with the changes from the other patch and resubmit?
15:36 owen       So, I submitted a patch for to change the opac layout. It had problems, so I've made some changes to address them.
15:36 owen       Hi gmcharlt. I'm getting myself confused about git again.
15:35 gmcharlt   hi owen
15:30 owen       gmcharlt: are you around?
15:18 Amit       slef
15:18 Amit       hi
13:02 nahuel     ok, ttyl
13:02 nahuel     so I create a new bug
13:02 nahuel     every time I search if an existing bug exists, and don't find anything
13:01 gmcharlt   back in half an hour
13:01 gmcharlt   anyway, I need to step away for a moment to drive my wife to work
13:01 gmcharlt   (also, Version generally should not be set to unspecified in a bug - should be HEAD or rel_3_0 as needed)
13:01 nahuel     I checked it
13:01 gmcharlt   for example, I think your 2766 is a duplicate
13:01 gmcharlt   also, please check bugs.koha.org for duplicates
13:00 nahuel     yes of course
13:00 nahuel     ok, just received your email
13:00 gmcharlt   so that the two of you can avoid duplicate work
13:00 gmcharlt   so I've asked Allen to contact you
13:00 gmcharlt   and it looks like around the same time you started working on similar bugs
13:00 gmcharlt   and he's been working on them
12:59 gmcharlt   nahuel: I had assigned Allen several bugs from bugs.koha.org
12:59 gmcharlt   nahuel: yep, just sent an email to you and Allen Reinmeyer
12:59 nahuel     gmcharlt, paul asked me to contact you about the virtual shelves
12:58 gmcharlt   hi nahuel
12:58 nahuel     gmcharlt, hi
11:17 slef       kados: I'm keener on the project's best interests being protected