Time  Nick        Message
13:38 hdl         !list
14:03 liz         mornin #koha
14:03 gmcharlt    hi liz
14:03 gmcharlt    how are things the day after go-live?
14:22 nengard     hiya liz - congrats again
14:22 liz         going pretty well
14:22 liz         a few chips in the china but the dishes are all intact (we think)
14:23 liz         :)
14:29 owen        liz, FYI: you OPAC is missing some images
14:44 owen        liz: I had to make the same change to our registration form when we last upgraded Koha...putting the card number field at the end.
14:45 liz         haha maybr that should become default
14:45 kados       owen: surely there's some way to catch the cariage return in that field
14:46 kados       owen: http://jennifermadden.com/javascript/stringEnterKeyDetector.html
14:46 kados       Suppressing Form Submission via Enter/Return Key Press From within Single Text Input
14:46 kados       half-way down
14:48 liz         i think its kind of a perk
14:48 owen        kados, does that demo work for you? I'm curious about Mac/PC differences
14:48 owen        It seems to work as advertised on my PC
14:49 kados       yea, works on my mac
14:49 kados       in FF
14:49 kados       yep
14:49 kados       works on safair too
14:51 gmcharlt    heh
14:52 liz         makes more sense anyway, thats when you're going to hand the card to the patron anyway
14:52 liz         owen: lol
14:52 gmcharlt    lol
15:08 liz         since our libraries often enter the card number in as the OPAC login username, it would be good to escape the CR in that box
15:08 liz         thanks for the tip, Kados
15:09 owen        liz, you could probably add that to intranetuserjs
15:10 liz         i mean on the patron registratiton page
15:10 liz         man I can't spell today
15:10 liz         on the initial entry
15:10 liz         same place?
15:10 liz         so they're essentially scanning the barcode twice
15:11 owen        Yeah, I'm thinking you could add some js to your intranetuserjs system pref which would catch the CR on a custom element
15:13 pianohacker nicomo: Around?
15:13 nicomo      yes
15:13 pianohacker Have you made any progress in investigating http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2516 ?
15:14 nicomo      yep, great progress : handed over to hdl ;-)
15:14 pianohacker nicomo: Heh, thanks
15:14 pianohacker hdl: around ? :)
15:14 hdl         yes
15:14 pianohacker any progress on above bug?
15:15 hdl         pianohacker: can't reproduce it.
15:16 hdl         Can you ?
15:16 hdl         But I could send a quick fix for that.
15:16 pianohacker IIRC, it was a problem with just one of Biblibre's clients; I couldn't reproduce it myself
15:16 nicomo      nor could I : annoying
15:17 nicomo      but I couldn't see what was wrong on that particular install
15:17 pianohacker Huh. WORKSFORME ?
15:17 hdl         I saw that searchMember would not sort on correct surnames.
15:17 hdl         only on firstnames.
15:17 hdl         But since it displayed correctly, i did not edit anything.
15:18 pianohacker hdl: If you see the problem and an obvious fix, a patch would be wonderful :)
15:28 hdl         hi slef
15:29 slef        hi hdl
15:29 slef        nengard, chris: linkedin are claiming that they can't merge koha groups unless we say the other group's creator used the name/logo without permission :-/ Thoughts?
15:30 nengard     slef - bah - that's just silliness
15:30 atz         that's lame
15:30 nengard     i say leave it alone - there are no members in the other group and over 30 and growing in the one we created
15:30 owen        Yeah, and we can kick their asses!
15:30 atz         heh
15:31 kados       hehe
15:31 kados       slef++ for looking into it
15:38 slef        oh wait... just reread... they also assumed that we gave permission for him to set up a group for us... no-one did, did they?
15:38 nengard     not on the liblime end - and chris didn't know about it either
15:39 nengard     liz and anyone else - created a new document: http://sites.google.com/a/liblime.com/koha-manual/Home/Table-of-Contents/Appendicies/hot-keys
15:39 liz         nengard: cool, ty
15:39 nengard     :)
15:41 kados       slef: who set it up originally?
15:42 kados       slef: this ultimately gets back to who 'we' is ... it's kind of nebulous at the moment, anyone can claim to be part of the community ;-)
15:42 slef        kados: jayadevkumbar@gmail.com
15:43 slef        kados: I'll claim that because none of liblime (owner of koha.org), current or past RMs and QAMs approved it and there was no public announcement of it, there was no permission.  I hope that suffices.
15:44 nengard     slef kados while i agree that we is anyone - whoever it was wasn't maintaining the group so that's why i created a new one and added a bunch of managers so that we can all maintain it
15:44 slef        nengard: I'm also saying that my motivation is that the mismanagement of the lower-numbered group is hurting our user community.
15:44 nengard     slef makes sense
15:47 slef        heh, pic of nicole
15:48 nengard     slef - what pic? why is it funny??? :(
15:51 kados       slef: works for me
16:00 slef        nengard: just amusing because I'd not seen a pic of you before... sorry, didn't mean to suggest it was funny
16:04 nengard     slef hehe :) how have you not seen a picture? my face is all over the place!!!
16:05 nengard     okay - off to eat some lunch
16:20 slef        nengard: I often browse with images off...
16:20 slef        nengard: I am a speed freak
16:27 nengard     slef - i need pictures - i'm a very graphical person
17:28 owen        I guess I imagined the intranetuserjs system pref...
17:57 liz         i saw it
17:57 liz         its under staff client
17:57 liz         just wanted to share something we just got from one of our librarians:
17:58 liz         re: koha
17:58 liz         ROCK ON!!!
17:58 liz         Love it!
17:58 liz         Love it!
17:58 liz         Love it!
17:58 nengard     AWESOME!!!!
17:58 pianohacker owen: around?
17:58 owen        Yes
17:59 liz         nengard: would it, could it, be possible for us to host something like consortia.koha.org?
18:00 nengard     liz - we'd have to talk to josh  - i think he owns koha.org
18:00 liz         for coordinating development efforts specific to consortia?
18:00 liz         k
18:01 kados       liz: if coordinating development is the goal, we really need something like fundable.org
18:01 liz         nengard we were going to host it here under nexpresslibrary.org but that doesnt make a lot of sense
18:02 kados       liz: and I dont' think there'd be any particular value to having a consortium-specific coordination forum, we need to do a better job of making it easy to coordinate development for all library types IMO
18:02 kados       but I'm open to other views :-)
18:02 kados       and though LibLime does own koha.org, we'd look for the comunity to decide what would be suitable as far as content on the community site
18:03 liz         nengard: well, the issues that consortia face are significantly different than even libraries with many branches
18:03 nengard     seems like we should have a forum
18:03 kados       liz: yes, I understand that, but the problem you're facing is that it's hard to coordinate development, and that's true for all library types
18:03 nengard     and then categories for diff librarians to talk
18:03 kados       liz: so it's not specific to consortia, does that make sense?
18:04 liz         yea, we were thinking of a blog + forums
18:04 liz         + mailing list
18:04 nengard     kados with plone running koha.org can we have forums?
18:04 kados       liz: perhaps the specific things you want to do are specific to consortia, but I think we need a general tool for development corridination for everyone to use
18:04 liz         right
18:04 kados       it could have sub-sections for consortia, academics, etc
18:04 kados       liz: check out fundable.org
18:05 liz         kados i just looked at it, interesting idea
18:05 owen        Is coordinating the funding of new development different than coordinating collaboration on the things to be developed?
18:05 kados       idea is -> Create an Idea for a Project, say how much it costs -> get people to pitch in -> when you ahve enough money, do it
18:05 kados       something similar for koha development would be ideal
18:05 kados       owen: perhaps, yes
18:05 liz         totally
18:06 owen        So what liz needs is a way to discuss the issues *before* they get to the fundable stage
18:06 kados       liz: one thing I want to avoid in our community is silos
18:06 liz         understandable
18:07 kados       liz: so while I like the idea of enhancing consortium features, I'd want to make sure those featurs didn't negitively impact other koha users, ie, that they were written in such a way that they'd work for everyone
18:07 kados       (if there are things specific to consortiua that need to be different, they'd be wrapped in sysprefs)
18:07 kados       etc.
18:07 liz         oh sure, you don't want to have 15 different versions
18:07 kados       yea, exactly
18:07 kados       maybe eventually we'll have a large enough community to fork Koha
18:07 nengard     liz, kados i still think we need more community type areas on koha.org
18:07 kados       (it's happend a few times already)
18:08 kados       but right now we're best focusing on working otgether where possible
18:08 liz         i think that would be the goal of any consortial collaboration
18:08 liz         at least that we would be involved int
18:08 liz         in*
18:08 kados       *nod*
18:09 liz         lol, frankly, it's economics... if there is a feature that a bunch of us want, no reason to have one of us shoulder the entire cost, especially if it's a big enhancement project
18:10 kados       liz: yep, I agree
18:10 liz         so that's where fundable could come in
18:10 liz         getting the enhancement requests to the point of fundable, now that might be a challenge
18:10 kados       we're also treading the line between what's koha community and what's liblime customer stuff
18:10 liz         sure
18:11 liz         i'd imagine that much of it would end up being liblime enhancements, simply because you're already familiar ^.^
18:11 liz         which of course is good for *your* business :)
18:11 kados       yea, and if that's the case it should be a subsite of liblime.com IMO
18:12 kados       liz: well if you have some ideas for how best to structure such a collaboration platform, let me know
18:12 gmcharlt    right, but we're not only commercial development provider
18:12 liz         we are definitely thinking about how to do it
18:13 liz         now that our migration is mostly under control, we're looking to 1. the next libraries to come on and 2. how to improve our product in the best/fastest way
18:13 liz         because it's everybody
18:13 liz         s
18:13 kados       yep
18:13 kados       hehe
18:13 kados       more power to em
18:13 liz         *giggle*
18:14 liz         you honestly have no idea how many of our libraries have the "library teen tech guy"
18:14 pianohacker Hey, I'm a teenage colorado hacker, does that count?
18:14 owen        The last time I was anything approaching a teenage kansas hacker I was playing Zork 1.
18:14 liz         SEE!
18:14 gmcharlt    heh - which is one approach to keep in mind, is the option of doing some of the coding yourself within in the consortium
18:14 kados       definitely
18:14 kados       pianohacker++
18:14 liz         rofl owen
18:15 liz         <3
18:16 liz         gmcharlt sadly at this time I can't identify a person I know who would have the necessary experience (or would be interested in working on such a project)
18:16 liz         now... if it had some ruby on rails...
18:16 liz         it might be different
18:17 liz         <- is not the ruby on rails programmer
18:17 liz         <- only knows some
18:18 kados       liz: RoR wouldn't help you much with Koha, which is Perl ;-)
18:18 liz         heh, yep
18:18 gmcharlt    kados: dunnon, anybody want to write a RoR reporting system for Koha?
18:20 owen        pianohacker: where in Colorado are you?
18:20 pianohacker Southern area, why ?
18:20 owen        Just curious. I lived in Boulder for a year when I was a kid
18:21 pianohacker Oh, someone I know went to school there, it's a cool town
18:23 liz         hm... now that you mention it maybe I could get my friend who does rails on THAT project :P
18:46 gmcharlt    owen: not sure why 2424 was not apply - I'll treat as de novo
18:55 owen        Thanks gmcharlt
19:21 liz-nekls   weird, I was just looking at a patron record and accidentally hit the enter key
19:22 liz-nekls   and got page not found at this http://staff.nexpresslibrary.org/cgi-bin/koha/members/member.pl
19:22 liz-nekls   404
19:22 liz-nekls   was on this http://staff.nexpresslibrary.org/cgi-bin/koha/members/moremember.pl
19:22 liz-nekls   and hit the enter key
19:23 liz-nekls   everything else seems to work
19:25 ryan        liz-nekls: looks like it submitted the search members form with no query.
19:25 gmcharlt    any patron or just that particular one?
19:25 liz-nekls   let me check
19:25 liz-nekls   yea, any patron
19:25 ryan        focus goes to the search form in the masthead by default
19:26 ryan        so enter submits it.
19:26 liz-nekls   but it's still kind of wrong that it is a 404?
19:26 liz-nekls   ryan: that makes sense
19:27 ryan        hmm.  actually, i get search results.
19:28 liz-nekls   on our catalog?
19:28 liz-nekls   er, our install
19:28 ryan        no, on my test system
19:28 liz-nekls   k
19:29 liz-nekls   it's not a super big deal, it's just strange behavior
19:29 liz-nekls   behaviour, for you kiwis
19:33 liz-nekls   this only happens from moremember.pl
19:33 liz-nekls   not from the initial patron search screen
19:37 ryan        liz-nekls: this looks to be specific to your install.
19:37 liz-nekls   k I should submit a problem report?
19:37 ryan        please do.
19:39 owen        FWIW, I get search results too, no 404.
19:43 liz-nekls   k must be just ours then... at least it's not systemic :D
19:48 pianohacker Is rebuild_zebra.pl the recommended way to keep koha/zebra databases in sync? The cronjob I set up doesn't seem to be modifying the indexes.
19:50 atz         yes, what does your cron line look like?
19:52 pianohacker /opt/bin/koharun -c '/home/jakarta/projects/koha3/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -a -b -z' (koharun is a small shell script that sets the right environment variables)
19:55 liz-nekls   that's funny, if there is something in the search box it returns a search just fine
19:57 atz         pianohacker: you should be able to set the variables at the top of the cron script
19:58 atz         and running the script won't do it
19:58 atz         because the script runs in it's own shell
20:01 atz         oh wait... i see... koharun must try to execute the -c arg
20:02 atz         you might try first... /opt/bin/koharun -c 'echo KOHA_CONF: $KOHA_CONF'
20:02 atz         and check the mail for what it produces
20:03 atz         that will tell you whether the ENV variable export is working or not
20:55 liz         hey what are you guys using for your support request management at Liblime?
20:57 atz         we've got some bugzillas, but our main support system is "AdventNet ManageEngine SupportCenter Plus v7"
20:57 liz         it seems nice do you like it?
20:58 atz         pretty well
22:11 chris       hi all
22:12 gmcharlt    hi chris
22:14 chris       hey galen, got plans for the weekend?
22:15 gmcharlt    chris: preparing for our move, plus some Koha stuff
22:15 gmcharlt    my wife and I are moving to Florida this fall
22:16 gmcharlt    yourself?
22:16 chris       ohh wow
22:16 chris       thats a big move
22:16 chris       quite the climate change too :)
22:16 pianohacker I'll be the only liblime dev not in PST :(
22:17 gmcharlt    pianohacker: acmoore's in CST
22:17 pianohacker Ah, good
22:17 chris       i seem to have shaken off the worst of this flu, so im thinking to take the family to staglans
22:17 chris       staglands even
22:18 chris       is atz moving too?
22:18 atz         ?
22:18 chris       isnt he in EST ?
22:18 gmcharlt    not as far as I know
22:18 atz         possible... but i'm unlikely to be able to sell this house anytime soon
22:19 chris       ahh i was just trying to work out all the time zones :)
22:20 gmcharlt    EST, CST, MST as far as I know
22:21 chris       gmcharlt: whereabouts in florida?
22:21 gmcharlt    Gainesville
22:22 chris       ive heard of that ... i wonder why
22:23 chris       ahhh gatorade
22:23 chris       well you wont be dehydrated :)
22:24 gmcharlt    heh
22:25 chris       sounds like a nice place from readig wikipedia
22:29 gmcharlt    just as long as you don't need parking during football games, apparently :)
22:29 atz         much like Columbus, that way
22:30 chris       yeah thats one huge university they have there
22:30 rhcl        does liblime have a brick and mortar building anywhere?
22:30 chris       yep
22:30 chris       in athens ohio
22:31 chris       i even have photo
22:31 chris       s
22:31 chris       hehe
22:31 rhcl        so does anybody work (from) there?
22:31 atz         yeah, some of the core staff
22:31 rhcl        gee, I would think that would be most of the developers. :)
22:33 chris       well thats the wonderful thing about the internet
22:34 chris       bit too far to commute :)
22:35 rhcl        Yea, I can see some transportation issues with that.
22:35 pianohacker chris: photos on flickr?
22:35 chris       just in my gallery
22:35 chris       2 secs
22:35 pianohacker thanks
22:36 chris       http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=9672
22:36 chris       i was quite taken by the iced tea maker .. not something you see here :)
22:38 pianohacker Interesting, an open source shop with an Apple fetish :)
22:38 chris       its really just bsd :)
22:39 pianohacker deep down
22:40 chris       apple for all their sins (and they have quite a few) do make a nice laptop :)
22:40 pianohacker A _very_ nice laptop
22:40 chris       but im back on my aspire 5000 now
22:41 chris       which has a tendency to get too hot to actually be on my lap
22:42 chris       but since all i do with it is run xterms and a webbrowser .. it does the trick :)
22:42 chris       id quite like one of the msi winds ... with the 6.5 hour battery
22:43 gmcharlt    30 years of PCs, and we end up with a fancy terminal ;)
22:43 chris       if i got a spare battery thats the 13 hours a flight from nz to LAX takes :)
22:44 chris       yeah thats slightly longer, they are further west than us
22:44 chris       not a huge amount of fun
22:44 chris       altho, air nz does have all 3 lord of the rings movies .. watch them back to back and thats the whole flight :-)
22:44 gmcharlt    hah! cool
22:47 chris       my wife and kahu are heading back in october (before he turns 2 and we have to pay for him) .. all the way to pittsburgh
22:48 chris       here even
22:49 chris       sheesh i need more coffee
22:49 gmcharlt    coffee++
22:49 chris       but that should be an 'interesting' trip
22:49 gmcharlt    tea++
22:49 gmcharlt    caffeine++
22:49 chris       i dont think he can sit still for 13 minutes :-)
22:50 gmcharlt    lol
22:50 gmcharlt    I sympathize
22:51 gmcharlt    I'm going to have to drive a thousand miles with four cats in the back seat
22:51 pianohacker Oh my god
22:51 chris       hehe
22:51 pianohacker And apparently, an on call EMT team
22:52 gmcharlt    nah, they'll be in carriers - it's the on-call shrink and vet I'm worried about :)
22:52 pianohacker Heh
22:56 chris       ok, i think we are gonna head out to http://staglands.co.nz/ now
22:56 chris       have a good weekend all
22:57 gmcharlt    you too
22:57 pianohacker cya
02:46 aindilis`   gmcharlt: ping
03:02 gmcharlt    aindilis: pong
03:03 aindilis    hey, were you the one I was asking about the koha newircbot web log interface?
03:03 gmcharlt    yeah - haven't heard yet if it will be put under GPL
03:04 aindilis    oh okay, srry to pester then
03:04 gmcharlt    no problem