Time Nick Message 13:38 hdl !list 14:03 liz mornin #koha 14:03 gmcharlt hi liz 14:03 gmcharlt how are things the day after go-live? 14:22 nengard hiya liz - congrats again 14:22 liz going pretty well 14:22 liz a few chips in the china but the dishes are all intact (we think) 14:23 liz :) 14:29 owen liz, FYI: you OPAC is missing some images 14:44 owen liz: I had to make the same change to our registration form when we last upgraded Koha...putting the card number field at the end. 14:45 liz haha maybr that should become default 14:45 kados owen: surely there's some way to catch the cariage return in that field 14:46 kados owen: http://jennifermadden.com/javascript/stringEnterKeyDetector.html 14:46 kados Suppressing Form Submission via Enter/Return Key Press From within Single Text Input 14:46 kados half-way down 14:48 liz i think its kind of a perk 14:48 owen kados, does that demo work for you? I'm curious about Mac/PC differences 14:48 owen It seems to work as advertised on my PC 14:49 kados yea, works on my mac 14:49 kados in FF 14:49 kados yep 14:49 kados works on safair too 14:51 gmcharlt heh 14:52 liz makes more sense anyway, thats when you're going to hand the card to the patron anyway 14:52 liz owen: lol 14:52 gmcharlt lol 15:08 liz since our libraries often enter the card number in as the OPAC login username, it would be good to escape the CR in that box 15:08 liz thanks for the tip, Kados 15:09 owen liz, you could probably add that to intranetuserjs 15:10 liz i mean on the patron registratiton page 15:10 liz man I can't spell today 15:10 liz on the initial entry 15:10 liz same place? 15:10 liz so they're essentially scanning the barcode twice 15:11 owen Yeah, I'm thinking you could add some js to your intranetuserjs system pref which would catch the CR on a custom element 15:13 pianohacker nicomo: Around? 15:13 nicomo yes 15:13 pianohacker Have you made any progress in investigating http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2516 ? 15:14 nicomo yep, great progress : handed over to hdl ;-) 15:14 pianohacker nicomo: Heh, thanks 15:14 pianohacker hdl: around ? :) 15:14 hdl yes 15:14 pianohacker any progress on above bug? 15:15 hdl pianohacker: can't reproduce it. 15:16 hdl Can you ? 15:16 hdl But I could send a quick fix for that. 15:16 pianohacker IIRC, it was a problem with just one of Biblibre's clients; I couldn't reproduce it myself 15:16 nicomo nor could I : annoying 15:17 nicomo but I couldn't see what was wrong on that particular install 15:17 pianohacker Huh. WORKSFORME ? 15:17 hdl I saw that searchMember would not sort on correct surnames. 15:17 hdl only on firstnames. 15:17 hdl But since it displayed correctly, i did not edit anything. 15:18 pianohacker hdl: If you see the problem and an obvious fix, a patch would be wonderful :) 15:28 hdl hi slef 15:29 slef hi hdl 15:29 slef nengard, chris: linkedin are claiming that they can't merge koha groups unless we say the other group's creator used the name/logo without permission :-/ Thoughts? 15:30 nengard slef - bah - that's just silliness 15:30 atz that's lame 15:30 nengard i say leave it alone - there are no members in the other group and over 30 and growing in the one we created 15:30 owen Yeah, and we can kick their asses! 15:30 atz heh 15:31 kados hehe 15:31 kados slef++ for looking into it 15:38 slef oh wait... just reread... they also assumed that we gave permission for him to set up a group for us... no-one did, did they? 15:38 nengard not on the liblime end - and chris didn't know about it either 15:39 nengard liz and anyone else - created a new document: http://sites.google.com/a/liblime.com/koha-manual/Home/Table-of-Contents/Appendicies/hot-keys 15:39 liz nengard: cool, ty 15:39 nengard :) 15:41 kados slef: who set it up originally? 15:42 kados slef: this ultimately gets back to who 'we' is ... it's kind of nebulous at the moment, anyone can claim to be part of the community ;-) 15:42 slef kados: jayadevkumbar@gmail.com 15:43 slef kados: I'll claim that because none of liblime (owner of koha.org), current or past RMs and QAMs approved it and there was no public announcement of it, there was no permission. I hope that suffices. 15:44 nengard slef kados while i agree that we is anyone - whoever it was wasn't maintaining the group so that's why i created a new one and added a bunch of managers so that we can all maintain it 15:44 slef nengard: I'm also saying that my motivation is that the mismanagement of the lower-numbered group is hurting our user community. 15:44 nengard slef makes sense 15:47 slef heh, pic of nicole 15:48 nengard slef - what pic? why is it funny??? :( 15:51 kados slef: works for me 16:00 slef nengard: just amusing because I'd not seen a pic of you before... sorry, didn't mean to suggest it was funny 16:04 nengard slef hehe :) how have you not seen a picture? my face is all over the place!!! 16:05 nengard okay - off to eat some lunch 16:20 slef nengard: I often browse with images off... 16:20 slef nengard: I am a speed freak 16:27 nengard slef - i need pictures - i'm a very graphical person 17:28 owen I guess I imagined the intranetuserjs system pref... 17:57 liz i saw it 17:57 liz its under staff client 17:57 liz just wanted to share something we just got from one of our librarians: 17:58 liz re: koha 17:58 liz ROCK ON!!! 17:58 liz Love it! 17:58 liz Love it! 17:58 liz Love it! 17:58 nengard AWESOME!!!! 17:58 pianohacker owen: around? 17:58 owen Yes 17:59 liz nengard: would it, could it, be possible for us to host something like consortia.koha.org? 18:00 nengard liz - we'd have to talk to josh - i think he owns koha.org 18:00 liz for coordinating development efforts specific to consortia? 18:00 liz k 18:01 kados liz: if coordinating development is the goal, we really need something like fundable.org 18:01 liz nengard we were going to host it here under nexpresslibrary.org but that doesnt make a lot of sense 18:02 kados liz: and I dont' think there'd be any particular value to having a consortium-specific coordination forum, we need to do a better job of making it easy to coordinate development for all library types IMO 18:02 kados but I'm open to other views :-) 18:02 kados and though LibLime does own koha.org, we'd look for the comunity to decide what would be suitable as far as content on the community site 18:03 liz nengard: well, the issues that consortia face are significantly different than even libraries with many branches 18:03 nengard seems like we should have a forum 18:03 kados liz: yes, I understand that, but the problem you're facing is that it's hard to coordinate development, and that's true for all library types 18:03 nengard and then categories for diff librarians to talk 18:03 kados liz: so it's not specific to consortia, does that make sense? 18:04 liz yea, we were thinking of a blog + forums 18:04 liz + mailing list 18:04 nengard kados with plone running koha.org can we have forums? 18:04 kados liz: perhaps the specific things you want to do are specific to consortia, but I think we need a general tool for development corridination for everyone to use 18:04 liz right 18:04 kados it could have sub-sections for consortia, academics, etc 18:04 kados liz: check out fundable.org 18:05 liz kados i just looked at it, interesting idea 18:05 owen Is coordinating the funding of new development different than coordinating collaboration on the things to be developed? 18:05 kados idea is -> Create an Idea for a Project, say how much it costs -> get people to pitch in -> when you ahve enough money, do it 18:05 kados something similar for koha development would be ideal 18:05 kados owen: perhaps, yes 18:05 liz totally 18:06 owen So what liz needs is a way to discuss the issues *before* they get to the fundable stage 18:06 kados liz: one thing I want to avoid in our community is silos 18:06 liz understandable 18:07 kados liz: so while I like the idea of enhancing consortium features, I'd want to make sure those featurs didn't negitively impact other koha users, ie, that they were written in such a way that they'd work for everyone 18:07 kados (if there are things specific to consortiua that need to be different, they'd be wrapped in sysprefs) 18:07 kados etc. 18:07 liz oh sure, you don't want to have 15 different versions 18:07 kados yea, exactly 18:07 kados maybe eventually we'll have a large enough community to fork Koha 18:07 nengard liz, kados i still think we need more community type areas on koha.org 18:07 kados (it's happend a few times already) 18:08 kados but right now we're best focusing on working otgether where possible 18:08 liz i think that would be the goal of any consortial collaboration 18:08 liz at least that we would be involved int 18:08 liz in* 18:08 kados *nod* 18:09 liz lol, frankly, it's economics... if there is a feature that a bunch of us want, no reason to have one of us shoulder the entire cost, especially if it's a big enhancement project 18:10 kados liz: yep, I agree 18:10 liz so that's where fundable could come in 18:10 liz getting the enhancement requests to the point of fundable, now that might be a challenge 18:10 kados we're also treading the line between what's koha community and what's liblime customer stuff 18:10 liz sure 18:11 liz i'd imagine that much of it would end up being liblime enhancements, simply because you're already familiar ^.^ 18:11 liz which of course is good for *your* business :) 18:11 kados yea, and if that's the case it should be a subsite of liblime.com IMO 18:12 kados liz: well if you have some ideas for how best to structure such a collaboration platform, let me know 18:12 gmcharlt right, but we're not only commercial development provider 18:12 liz we are definitely thinking about how to do it 18:13 liz now that our migration is mostly under control, we're looking to 1. the next libraries to come on and 2. how to improve our product in the best/fastest way 18:13 liz because it's everybody 18:13 liz s 18:13 kados yep 18:13 kados hehe 18:13 kados more power to em 18:13 liz *giggle* 18:14 liz you honestly have no idea how many of our libraries have the "library teen tech guy" 18:14 pianohacker Hey, I'm a teenage colorado hacker, does that count? 18:14 owen The last time I was anything approaching a teenage kansas hacker I was playing Zork 1. 18:14 liz SEE! 18:14 gmcharlt heh - which is one approach to keep in mind, is the option of doing some of the coding yourself within in the consortium 18:14 kados definitely 18:14 kados pianohacker++ 18:14 liz rofl owen 18:15 liz <3 18:16 liz gmcharlt sadly at this time I can't identify a person I know who would have the necessary experience (or would be interested in working on such a project) 18:16 liz now... if it had some ruby on rails... 18:16 liz it might be different 18:17 liz <- is not the ruby on rails programmer 18:17 liz <- only knows some 18:18 kados liz: RoR wouldn't help you much with Koha, which is Perl ;-) 18:18 liz heh, yep 18:18 gmcharlt kados: dunnon, anybody want to write a RoR reporting system for Koha? 18:20 owen pianohacker: where in Colorado are you? 18:20 pianohacker Southern area, why ? 18:20 owen Just curious. I lived in Boulder for a year when I was a kid 18:21 pianohacker Oh, someone I know went to school there, it's a cool town 18:23 liz hm... now that you mention it maybe I could get my friend who does rails on THAT project :P 18:46 gmcharlt owen: not sure why 2424 was not apply - I'll treat as de novo 18:55 owen Thanks gmcharlt 19:21 liz-nekls weird, I was just looking at a patron record and accidentally hit the enter key 19:22 liz-nekls and got page not found at this http://staff.nexpresslibrary.org/cgi-bin/koha/members/member.pl 19:22 liz-nekls 404 19:22 liz-nekls was on this http://staff.nexpresslibrary.org/cgi-bin/koha/members/moremember.pl 19:22 liz-nekls and hit the enter key 19:23 liz-nekls everything else seems to work 19:25 ryan liz-nekls: looks like it submitted the search members form with no query. 19:25 gmcharlt any patron or just that particular one? 19:25 liz-nekls let me check 19:25 liz-nekls yea, any patron 19:25 ryan focus goes to the search form in the masthead by default 19:26 ryan so enter submits it. 19:26 liz-nekls but it's still kind of wrong that it is a 404? 19:26 liz-nekls ryan: that makes sense 19:27 ryan hmm. actually, i get search results. 19:28 liz-nekls on our catalog? 19:28 liz-nekls er, our install 19:28 ryan no, on my test system 19:28 liz-nekls k 19:29 liz-nekls it's not a super big deal, it's just strange behavior 19:29 liz-nekls behaviour, for you kiwis 19:33 liz-nekls this only happens from moremember.pl 19:33 liz-nekls not from the initial patron search screen 19:37 ryan liz-nekls: this looks to be specific to your install. 19:37 liz-nekls k I should submit a problem report? 19:37 ryan please do. 19:39 owen FWIW, I get search results too, no 404. 19:43 liz-nekls k must be just ours then... at least it's not systemic :D 19:48 pianohacker Is rebuild_zebra.pl the recommended way to keep koha/zebra databases in sync? The cronjob I set up doesn't seem to be modifying the indexes. 19:50 atz yes, what does your cron line look like? 19:52 pianohacker /opt/bin/koharun -c '/home/jakarta/projects/koha3/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -a -b -z' (koharun is a small shell script that sets the right environment variables) 19:55 liz-nekls that's funny, if there is something in the search box it returns a search just fine 19:57 atz pianohacker: you should be able to set the variables at the top of the cron script 19:58 atz and running the script won't do it 19:58 atz because the script runs in it's own shell 20:01 atz oh wait... i see... koharun must try to execute the -c arg 20:02 atz you might try first... /opt/bin/koharun -c 'echo KOHA_CONF: $KOHA_CONF' 20:02 atz and check the mail for what it produces 20:03 atz that will tell you whether the ENV variable export is working or not 20:55 liz hey what are you guys using for your support request management at Liblime? 20:57 atz we've got some bugzillas, but our main support system is "AdventNet ManageEngine SupportCenter Plus v7" 20:57 liz it seems nice do you like it? 20:58 atz pretty well 22:11 chris hi all 22:12 gmcharlt hi chris 22:14 chris hey galen, got plans for the weekend? 22:15 gmcharlt chris: preparing for our move, plus some Koha stuff 22:15 gmcharlt my wife and I are moving to Florida this fall 22:16 gmcharlt yourself? 22:16 chris ohh wow 22:16 chris thats a big move 22:16 chris quite the climate change too :) 22:16 pianohacker I'll be the only liblime dev not in PST :( 22:17 gmcharlt pianohacker: acmoore's in CST 22:17 pianohacker Ah, good 22:17 chris i seem to have shaken off the worst of this flu, so im thinking to take the family to staglans 22:17 chris staglands even 22:18 chris is atz moving too? 22:18 atz ? 22:18 chris isnt he in EST ? 22:18 gmcharlt not as far as I know 22:18 atz possible... but i'm unlikely to be able to sell this house anytime soon 22:19 chris ahh i was just trying to work out all the time zones :) 22:20 gmcharlt EST, CST, MST as far as I know 22:21 chris gmcharlt: whereabouts in florida? 22:21 gmcharlt Gainesville 22:22 chris ive heard of that ... i wonder why 22:23 chris ahhh gatorade 22:23 chris well you wont be dehydrated :) 22:24 gmcharlt heh 22:25 chris sounds like a nice place from readig wikipedia 22:29 gmcharlt just as long as you don't need parking during football games, apparently :) 22:29 atz much like Columbus, that way 22:30 chris yeah thats one huge university they have there 22:30 rhcl does liblime have a brick and mortar building anywhere? 22:30 chris yep 22:30 chris in athens ohio 22:31 chris i even have photo 22:31 chris s 22:31 chris hehe 22:31 rhcl so does anybody work (from) there? 22:31 atz yeah, some of the core staff 22:31 rhcl gee, I would think that would be most of the developers. :) 22:33 chris well thats the wonderful thing about the internet 22:34 chris bit too far to commute :) 22:35 rhcl Yea, I can see some transportation issues with that. 22:35 pianohacker chris: photos on flickr? 22:35 chris just in my gallery 22:35 chris 2 secs 22:35 pianohacker thanks 22:36 chris http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=9672 22:36 chris i was quite taken by the iced tea maker .. not something you see here :) 22:38 pianohacker Interesting, an open source shop with an Apple fetish :) 22:38 chris its really just bsd :) 22:39 pianohacker deep down 22:40 chris apple for all their sins (and they have quite a few) do make a nice laptop :) 22:40 pianohacker A _very_ nice laptop 22:40 chris but im back on my aspire 5000 now 22:41 chris which has a tendency to get too hot to actually be on my lap 22:42 chris but since all i do with it is run xterms and a webbrowser .. it does the trick :) 22:42 chris id quite like one of the msi winds ... with the 6.5 hour battery 22:43 gmcharlt 30 years of PCs, and we end up with a fancy terminal ;) 22:43 chris if i got a spare battery thats the 13 hours a flight from nz to LAX takes :) 22:44 chris yeah thats slightly longer, they are further west than us 22:44 chris not a huge amount of fun 22:44 chris altho, air nz does have all 3 lord of the rings movies .. watch them back to back and thats the whole flight :-) 22:44 gmcharlt hah! cool 22:47 chris my wife and kahu are heading back in october (before he turns 2 and we have to pay for him) .. all the way to pittsburgh 22:48 chris here even 22:49 chris sheesh i need more coffee 22:49 gmcharlt coffee++ 22:49 chris but that should be an 'interesting' trip 22:49 gmcharlt tea++ 22:49 gmcharlt caffeine++ 22:49 chris i dont think he can sit still for 13 minutes :-) 22:50 gmcharlt lol 22:50 gmcharlt I sympathize 22:51 gmcharlt I'm going to have to drive a thousand miles with four cats in the back seat 22:51 pianohacker Oh my god 22:51 chris hehe 22:51 pianohacker And apparently, an on call EMT team 22:52 gmcharlt nah, they'll be in carriers - it's the on-call shrink and vet I'm worried about :) 22:52 pianohacker Heh 22:56 chris ok, i think we are gonna head out to http://staglands.co.nz/ now 22:56 chris have a good weekend all 22:57 gmcharlt you too 22:57 pianohacker cya 02:46 aindilis` gmcharlt: ping 03:02 gmcharlt aindilis: pong 03:03 aindilis hey, were you the one I was asking about the koha newircbot web log interface? 03:03 gmcharlt yeah - haven't heard yet if it will be put under GPL 03:04 aindilis oh okay, srry to pester then 03:04 gmcharlt no problem