Time  Nick         Message
12:56 gmcharlt     heh
13:39 danny        hello #koha
13:39 owen         Hi danny
13:41 gmcharlt     hi danny
14:05 danny        what is the trick to running the nozebra_rebuild.pl script? i am getting errors about can't find koha configuration
14:07 gmcharlt     danny: KOHA_CONF and PERL5LIB env vars should be set in order to run scripts from command-line
14:11 danny        gmcharlt: ah, that worked, thanks
14:29 acmoore      atz: you around?
14:36 atz          here
14:38 acmoore      atz: I'm fixing up some POD syntax errors, and I notice a large chunk of code commented out by you recently with POD tags. I often do that to temporarily coment out stuff while I'm working, so I wanted to make sure you realized it was still commented out.
14:38 acmoore      see http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=commitdiff;h=5aecb46ad05795d259dfe7f581e3519af5a07afd
14:38 acmoore      in C4/SIP/Sip/MsgType.pm, it looks like you added a =doc ... =cut around a few dozen lines.
14:39 acmoore      so, they're a comment now, but look like code.
14:39 atz          not seeing it in that link ?
14:40 atz          ah, at the bottom
14:40 acmoore      yeah, sorry, I don't see how to direct you to just the diffs for that file.
14:40 atz          #patch 4
14:41 atz          er, #patch4
14:41 atz          i'll check and get back to you in shortly
14:41 acmoore      anyway, my POD syntax checker barfs on =doc, I think that you're supposed to use =pod for arbitrary comment blocks. Also, there aren't blank lines around the tags. So, I can fix that syntax, but it's sort of odd, so I thought I'd point it out.
14:42 acmoore      OK. It's not really urgent or anything. THanks!
14:50 acmoore      atz: I see it now. You've extracted all of that code to the login_core function where it's nearly duplicated. That function is called just before the comment block. I believe it is correctly commented out.
14:50 acmoore      so, I no longer have my concern. you can return to your regularly scheduled programming. Thanks!
14:51 atz          acmoore: same conclusion here
14:55 acmoore      gmcharlt: I just sent you an 18 patch bomb. I'm wondering if that's an acceptable way to wholesale address bug 2400. If it looks OK by eye to you, I can resend to patches@. If you don't have time today, just let me know and I'll send them along to the list right away.
15:11 gmcharlt     acmoore: patchset looks ok per eyeball - go ahead and submit
15:12 acmoore      gmcharlt: thanks. sent.
15:52 nengard      hello all
16:00 aindilis     hi is that newircbot that logs things here, is that available for download somewhere?
16:00 aindilis     hi nengard
16:05 acmoore      yeah, there's something about newlogbot on the wiki.
16:05 acmoore      aindilis: here it is: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php#irc
16:25 gmcharlt     aindilis: what do you want to download, the bot itself?
16:25 aindilis     I want to setup logging of my channels, and this looked as good as any
16:25 aindilis     thanks
16:26 aindilis     I want to download the bot itself
16:27 gmcharlt     aindilis: ok, I'll toss up a tarball for you
16:28 aindilis     great thanks
16:28 gmcharlt     aindilis: it's a funbot, but I'm not sure if the funbot project still exists
16:28 atz          what's the other common one, supybot?
16:29 gmcharlt     atz: yeah
16:29 gmcharlt     I wouldn't mind putting a supybot on #koha, actually
16:29 owen         What's the difference?
16:30 gmcharlt     lot's more functionality, and ability to add it all kinds of modules
16:30 gmcharlt     see zoia on #code4lib for an idea
16:41 gmcharlt     aindilis: http://arwen.metavore.com/~gmc/funbot-koha.tar.bz2
16:41 aindilis     thanks
16:42 aindilis     got it
16:42 gmcharlt     ok
17:21 ryan         owen: ( or anyone )  :  was the option to create a new framework as a duplicate of an existing one removed ?
17:22 ryan         or am i blind ?
17:23 nengard      ryan - i remember it being there
17:23 nengard      but it's not
17:24 nengard      ryan - you can do this still
17:24 nengard      first create the framework then click on marc structure and it asks which framework to start with
17:24 ryan         ah, ok
17:25 ryan         nengard: thanks!
17:25 nengard      np
17:25 nengard      i should write that up if it's not already
17:32 Sharon       hey nicole, do you have a special app you use with your mac to add screen shots to the manual?  I'm trying to tweak and personalize the manual for our training next week...and my mac is causing me fits
17:33 acmoore      Sharon: I like "snapz pro x" for screenshots and for movies: http://www.ambrosiasw.com/utilities/snapzprox/
17:33 nengard      Sharon i use the mac hot key for it
17:34 nengard      command+shift+4
17:34 nengard      it's awesome!!
17:34 Sharon       ok, and then just insert the .pngs into your google doc
17:34 Sharon       tried using grab and the gdocs doesn't like .tiffs
17:35 nengard      it likes the .pngs
17:36 Sharon       cool. i'll send you my tweaks when I'm done. just adding stuff that patrons might like to know, such as "Once your password is changed, library staff cannot see or retrieve it for you"
17:37 liz-nekls    you might also be interested in http://www.nexpresslibrary.org
17:40 nengard      liz-nekls this is great!
17:41 Sharon       nengard we're going to put our public and staff training materials here, along with PR info and general NExpress shared catalog news
17:41 nengard      sharon that is awesome!!!
17:41 nengard      tinaburger have you seen this?
17:54 liz_         it's still being fleshed out
17:54 liz_         nexpresslibrary.org, that is
17:55 nengard      liz-nekls it's a great idea
18:08 nengard      sharon - just fyi - i'm going to re-write the label documentation in the manual - if you got any pointers from your staff on that, let me know
18:10 Sharon       nengard we'll ask the folks at atchison if they've played with it yet. they just sent us instructions for creating a new patron account
18:10 nengard      k
19:06 owen         liz-nekls: I have a first draft of a document up that describes how we do our "new and upcoming" list on the OPAC: http://www.myacpl.org/koha/newtitles
19:16 Sharon       owen, i shared this with liz. thank you!!!
19:37 liz-nekls_   hey peps... Owen, that is SO BOSS thanks so much
19:37 liz-nekls_   question though, how do you get the titles into your micro database?
19:37 owen         I left that part out, didn't I? :)
19:38 owen         It's another little set of PHP scripts, and I'd be happy to document that too.
19:38 liz-nekls_   ...lol yea
19:38 liz-nekls_   <3 forever
19:38 owen         I thought I'd start with the basics
19:39 liz-nekls_   but still that's hawtness
19:39 liz-nekls_   i'm wondering if it could be made into a wp plugin
19:39 liz-nekls_   (to myself)
19:40 owen         Since you're just pulling data from a list, it shouldn't matter where you get it. You could even build it to pull from a virtual shelf I suppose
19:44 liz-nekls_   ! it's genius i love it !
19:51 atz          owen: got RSS?
19:52 owen         You betcha
19:52 owen         But you have to click through to the full list: http://www.myacpl.org/readers/upcoming
20:49 chris        buenos dias
20:56 rhcl         안녕
20:56 rhcl         Hummm, it worked
20:56 atz          gmcharlt: sent patch to realign "Tag Cloud" link in masthead
20:57 gmcharlt     hi chris
20:57 gmcharlt     atz: thanks
20:57 chris        nicely done rhcl :)
20:58 rhcl         Yea, I'm supposed to be able to speak Korean, I just didn't know if xchat would handle the characters.
20:58 chris        yep, irssi handled them fine too
20:59 chris        speaking as possibly the new translation manager, i notice our korean translation is not finished :)
21:05 rhcl         나는 �해하지 않는다.
21:05 rhcl         (That means: "I don't understand you")
21:06 pianohacker  馬鹿
21:07 pianohacker  irc.pl: error: error code not found
21:08 pianohacker  Possibly unique 3.2 blocker: cat on desk clawing at mousing hand
21:09 chris        heh
21:09 acmoore      WORKSFORME
21:10 pianohacker  Platform: Linux (with cat)
21:12 chris        my issue is "Little child staring at me saying 'Daddy'"
21:13 chris        if ignored, he will start to poke you with books
21:13 pianohacker  Heh, even worse
21:35 cnighs       hehe
21:39 gmcharlt     chris: double-checking re Debian package - do you intend to work on that on the master branch, then have it cherry-picked into 3.0.x?
21:47 chris        yeah thats probably easiest
21:48 chris        lets leave it in the master now, until its production ready
21:49 chris        the only thing that might change is the control file (for the dependencies) that might become different between branches
21:52 gmcharlt     and currently hard-coded version number in the control file
21:52 chris        yeah, its not actually used
21:52 chris        so that can come out
21:52 chris        the rules file uses the the version number from the changelog
21:53 chris        so you dch -i
21:53 chris        update that
21:53 chris        and build a new package
21:53 chris        ill rip it out, so its not confusing
21:53 chris        i have a coffee scheduled with francios today, who is one of the DD here, he is gonna give me some hints, im stuck on the .config file at the mo
21:54 gmcharlt     great
21:55 gmcharlt     I'll apply your current patch series, and await further results :)
21:58 chris        oh i already did
21:58 chris        http://git.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=83448c324fa8e63f9f17ede734f03c33eae18dad
21:58 chris        heh
22:00 chris        i love gitweb
22:01 gmcharlt     I don't know if the control format allows it, but breaking up depends across multiple lines woudl be nice
22:02 chris        yeah, that was the line that made git-send-email barf
22:02 chris        ill see what i can do
22:02 chris        i think it supports /
22:02 chris        or \
22:02 chris        even
22:07 gmcharlt     bbiab
22:28 chris        certainly looks like you can, ie dpkg-buildpackage didnt barf
22:30 kados        so chris ... do you anticipate koha making it into debian officially anytime soon?
22:31 chris        i might get it into lenny
22:31 chris        before it becomes stable
22:31 kados        cool
22:31 chris        might be some licensing issues
22:31 chris        thats one of the other things im gonna talk to francois about
22:32 chris        whether the stuff that isnt under the GPL is gonna cause any dramas
22:32 kados        ahh, right
22:32 kados        like famfamfam?
22:32 chris        yeah
22:32 kados        and maybe YUI
22:32 chris        and i think maybe the greybox js we use
22:32 kados        there's a license tab now on the about page
22:33 chris        but yeah, ill find out what the deal is
22:33 kados        if you find anything that's not listed there, add it :=)
22:33 chris        will do
22:33 chris        certainly we have have an apt.koha.org
22:33 chris        with the package there
22:34 chris        for a bunch of architectures, and distros (ubuntu included)
22:34 chris        while we get it into the main distro
22:35 chris        s/have have/can have/
22:35 kados        ahh, right
22:35 kados        let me know if you need me to set up DNS for koha.org
22:35 chris        will do
22:36 chris        currently i just have them at apt.workbuffer.org
22:36 chris        for testing purposes
22:37 kados        sweet
22:39 chris        http://www.stuff.co.nz/4654259a26500.html  <--- this is the story making my life hell at the mo
22:39 chris        but its a good story :)
22:40 chris        right avg response time is back under 1 sec .. time for a coffee
22:43 ryan         argh...
22:43 ryan         [Tue Aug 12 18:09:07 2008] label-print-pdf.pl: Wide character in syswrite at /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/PDF/Reuse.pm line 968.
22:43 ryan         pesky wide characters.
22:44 cnighs       hehe
22:45 cnighs       been there, done that
22:47 kados        ryan: check the solution I committed for the same problem ... it's a three line fix
22:47 ryan         that's amusing.  Togo's first medal in whitewater kayaking
22:47 ryan         kados: yeah, just did, and testing it now.
22:47 chris        the video is good too ryan
22:47 chris        where he gets all excited and breaks his paddle :)
22:50 ryan         reminds me of the jamaican bobsled team :)
23:05 cnighs       kados: is that a fix for the label-print-pdf.pl wide-char issue?
23:08 ryan         yay.  Encode fixes the pdf problem.
23:39 gmcharlt     back
00:52 chris        lol http://www.stuff.co.nz/4654329a26500.html
00:56 gmcharlt     heh
01:03 cnighs       M$++ hehe
05:55 nicomo       hello all
05:58 chris        hi nicomo
05:58 hdl          hi
05:59 nicomo       hi chris : still at your desk? What time is it in nz?
06:05 mc           hello all
06:07 mc           nicomo, i think that i chatted with chris in late morning cupple of times... perhaps from home ?
06:23 chris        yep
06:23 chris        im at home
06:23 chris        its 6.30pm
06:36 mc           hehe ... chris uses screen :)
06:36 chris        yep
06:37 mc           i do too! this software roxes (even if it's open source ;) )
06:43 chris        heh
06:52 chris        i pretty much use nothing but FLOSS software
06:52 chris        unless im forced too :)
06:55 hdl          I bet mc too.
08:47 chris        anyone about?
08:48 chris        http://pootle.workbuffer.org/projects/intranet/
08:48 chris        can people see that?
08:48 mc           i can see a 403
08:48 mc           :)
08:48 chris        ah ill fix that
08:52 chris        now?
08:56 mc           better
08:56 chris        cool
08:58 mc           didn't know plootle before
08:58 mc           seems good
08:58 chris        yeah its a bit nicer than kartouche
08:59 chris        and under active development
08:59 chris        i like the fact you can upload .po files to it
08:59 chris        and merge them
08:59 chris        so people can download, and work on them locally if they want, then upload it back
09:00 mc           online edition too ?
09:00 chris        yep
09:00 mc           very good
09:01 chris        and you can backend it onto git
09:01 chris        (or other vc systems)
09:02 chris        http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/pootle/version_control
09:03 chris        ill test it out a bit more, and get others to look, as well as setting up any other systems that look nice, and then we can pick the best one
09:03 chris        but now, im going to watch some olympics :)
09:04 mc           have a good tv session
09:10 hdl          mc, chris pootle seems to have the same drawbacks as kartouche unless i am mistaken :
09:10 hdl          no way to jump to context.
09:12 nicomo       yep: from the translators point of view, context is crucial
09:12 nicomo       I love what LibraryThing did
09:13 nicomo       if you go from librarything.com to librarything.fr  you'll see a "traduire ceci" (translate this) on top right of screen
09:14 hdl          http://pootle.workbuffer.org/fr/intranet/fr-FR-i-staff-t-prog-v-3000000.po?translate=1&fuzzy=1&editing=1&blank=1
09:15 hdl          editing gflag is lost from one page to an other.
09:15 nicomo       when clicking on "traduire ceci" you jump to translate.php?page=775902985
09:15 nicomo       nice
09:15 hdl          Doesn't looks available on pootle though.
09:17 hdl          the problem would be that we would have to SEARCH exact msg.
09:19 nicomo       how he  manages this (sorry)
09:20 chris        the thing that pootle has over kartouche is you can download the po use whatever tool you like and upload it back up and it merges, so you can use kbabel or other tools
09:21 chris        but im still looking at other systems too
09:26 nicomo       uploading the .po file is definitely a +
10:03 chris        hdl: http://pootle.workbuffer.org/fr/opac/fr-FR-i-opac-t-prog-v-3000000.po?translate=1&fuzzy=1&editing=1&blank=1
10:03 chris        does having ../../koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/modules/opac-tags.tmpl:115
10:03 chris        there, help at all?
10:04 chris        that way you can at least look at the tmpl file to see the context
10:06 chris        ill email the list tomorrow too
10:07 chris        have a good day biblibrians :)
10:07 nicomo       bye chris
10:07 hdl          bye
10:07 hdl          having ../../koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/modules/opac-tags.tmpl:115
10:07 hdl          is more than nothing.
10:08 hdl          But would be better if we could jump into the page.
10:08 hdl          having kindo' translator from tmpl to url integrated.
10:59 martinmorris hello all, just installed koha 3 and got a small problem i don't entirely understand
10:59 martinmorris with how the top menu displays
11:02 gaano        cd /opt/var/koha/
11:02 gaano        ls
11:02 gaano        oops
11:34 martinmorris well if anybody has any ideas i'd welcome them - cheers