Time  Nick        Message
01:47 gmcharlt    g'night, hdl
01:47 hdl         'nite now.
01:47 hdl         unless you can cope with it.
01:46 hdl         I think.
01:46 hdl         That script I can work later on.
01:46 gmcharlt    hdl: good point
01:45 hdl         Because they have not been logged as they were in koha2.2 (in files)
01:44 hdl         gmcharlt: something I realized was that we would need a script for all the previously edited authorities.
01:34 gmcharlt    good night and thanks, hdl
01:34 hdl         sent.
01:34 hdl         ent
01:30 hdl         doing this atm
01:28 gmcharlt    sure, I'll take a look
01:28 hdl         Can I send the patch to you ?
01:28 hdl         In fact it does not update nor delete authorities.
01:27 hdl         But merg_authority.pl as a commandline script fails.
01:27 gmcharlt    ah, merge_authority.pl?
01:27 hdl         I have something which works on the fly.
01:27 gmcharlt    hdl: go to bed! :)
01:27 hdl         gmcharlt: 3.21 AM here.
01:04 hdl         there is still a way to translate to non embedded field.
01:04 gmcharlt    and outside of Koha?
01:04 hdl         We, in Koha NEVER use them.
01:03 gmcharlt    how often are embedded fields used in practice in France?
01:03 gmcharlt    *sigh*
01:02 gmcharlt    I see what you mean
01:02 hdl         But Could be.
01:02 gmcharlt    hdl: (PDF) http://www.rba.ru/rusmarc/rusmarc/updates/UNIMARC_XML.pdf
00:59 hdl         http://www.bncf.firenze.sbn.it/progetti/unimarc/slim/documentation/unimarcslim.html
00:57 gmcharlt    I meant MARC21slim the XML schema, which works fine for any ISO2709-based format AFAIK
00:57 hdl         and more sustainable.
00:57 hdl         It could be less painful.
00:57 hdl         though.
00:57 hdl         We could do a transform from koharecord to UNIMARC.
00:56 hdl         Yes but Unimarc Support is still a musthave  for us.
00:56 gmcharlt    and native Dublin Core and MODS support, maybe even EAD, would be considerations now
00:55 gmcharlt    e.g., no need to redo MARC21slim
00:55 gmcharlt    yes - schema would have to be revamped
00:55 hdl         It really is a pity)
00:55 gmcharlt    still, I'm hoping that we can move in some of these directions for 3.2
00:55 hdl         (it is so old... 2 years old.
00:55 gmcharlt    indeed
00:54 hdl         But time runs short.
00:54 hdl         similar to ideas many have in head.
00:54 gmcharlt    hdl: similar to some ideas I have rattling around my head
00:53 gmcharlt    hdl: thanks
00:49 hdl         I had them on my disk.
00:49 hdl         three files sent.
00:43 gmcharlt    internet archive doesn't have a copy of that page, alas
00:43 gmcharlt    yeah
00:42 hdl         2006.08.11 rather
00:42 hdl         was on the logs of 11/08/2007
00:39 hdl         has been there  :http://library.neu.edu.tr/kohanamespace/
00:31 hdl         Maybe he has ctweaked it since.
00:30 gmcharlt    hdl: just saw your comments on abstractions - I'd be interested in seeing tumer's schema
00:30 gmcharlt    hdl:: it can
23:11 hdl         gmcharlt: Does mysql with Innodb do automatic locking on tables ??
21:48 pianohacker And, for that matter, .coded_location_qualifier ?
21:47 pianohacker What is items.stack?
20:54 hdl         BUT I want to do some Unit test.
20:53 hdl         I try to do as fast as I can.
20:53 kados       but I'd be willing to delay until Monday if necessary
20:53 kados       hdl: I want to release this evening if possible
20:53 kados       hdl: when do you plan to have that ready?
20:51 hdl         Maybe I am day-dreaming.
20:51 hdl         He wrote a schema (and also designed some zebra files) that could fit.
20:50 hdl         I think that tumer did a job on that.
20:49 hdl         gmcharlt: I was saying that maybe we should find and design a kind of abstraction for Biblio/Work and biblioitem/Book. So that with one name, we call the entity required at the moment.
20:29 kados       I'll ahve nicole update the docs
20:29 kados       Ok, I've pushed it up
20:29 hdl         I misunderstood.
20:28 kados       but without my pach you can't submit the form with empty barcodes for more than one order
20:28 kados       if it's filled, an item is added
20:28 hdl         OK for your patch.
20:28 kados       with paul's patch, if barcode is empty, no item is added
20:28 hdl         oh sorry.
20:27 kados       could you clarify what you mean?
20:27 kados       hmmm
20:27 hdl         I think this would really close the problem
20:26 hdl         kados : could bc be defaulted to space if no input ?
20:25 kados       hdl: it appears acqui receive still works, even multi-receive, so I'm prepared to submit this patch from paul
20:24 gmcharlt    bbiab
20:23 kados        fix for #2440 : acquisition recieve & item creation
20:23 kados       originally on Jul 31
20:23 kados       hdl: or maybe I don't understand how paul's patch resolves it
20:23 hdl         when was it sent ?
20:21 kados       hdl: it's paul's patch, I'm asking you if you think it resolves the issue
20:21 hdl         Do you really want me to agree on that ?
20:21 hdl         adding fake items makes more sense than adding none ?
20:20 kados       hdl: i tried applying paul's patch but I still don't see a way to add no barcode and no item ... you have to create an item afaikt, but now you can have empty barcodes, does that make sense?
20:19 gmcharlt    hdl: fully agree.   item-type-qua-issuing-rule-type needs to be distinguished from item-type-qua-material-or-format-type
20:19 kados       oops, I mean 2440
20:18 kados       hdl: does that resolve it adequately for you?
20:18 kados       hdl: for 2351, I have a patch that prevents duplicate check for empty barcodes
20:18 hdl         I guess that Having itype and itemtype, will be a nightmare for maintainance.
20:17 hdl         mc is right when he is asking for abstraction levels.
20:16 hdl         :[
20:16 gmcharlt    hdl: there are references to $item->{itemtype} that would fail
20:15 hdl         kados : about the bugfix 2485 I sent, can you detail ?
19:48 liz-nekls   kados: tyvm
19:47 kados       liz-nekls: 3.0
19:43 liz-nekls   like, which version of Koha they are running?
19:42 liz-nekls   anyone here know anything about CKLS?
19:02 gmcharlt    g'night, mc
19:01 mc          (have a good week end too)
19:01 mc          'night koha people
18:53 mc          thx for reply, gmcharlt
18:53 mc          arghh
18:53 mc          in fact: can i store [ 700 => [ a => [qw( Indiana Junior )], b => 'Jones' ]] or something like that
18:53 gmcharlt    mc: yes.  in MARC21, it happens a lot in subject headings, where the main heading in $a can be followed by multiple subdivisions coded $x, $v, $y, and $z and various orders
18:51 liz-nekls   it was just a thought :D
18:51 liz-nekls   oh I'm not really complaining
18:51 liz-nekls   hehe
18:51 owen        What can we say, liz-nekls, they're better-organized than they used to be :)
18:51 mc          ?
18:51 mc          )
18:50 mc          and can it be ordered with other subfields? ( i mean $a$b$a$b don't mean the same than $a$a$b$b
18:50 atz         good point
18:50 liz-nekls   yea
18:50 gmcharlt    liz-nekls: in the system preferences interface?
18:49 liz-nekls   you know, it sure would be nice if the design preferences were separate from the operational preferences
18:49 mc          thanks
18:49 mc          ok
18:48 gmcharlt    that paricularly case, not in the MARC21, but repeated subfields are common in general
18:47 mc          i mean: can this case appears
18:47 mc          in a real word notice
18:47 mc          no; sorry
18:47 mc          oops
18:43 gmcharlt    mc: find in zebra?
18:41 mc          ?
18:41 mc          something like 600$aFrancoise$aFrederique$aAnne$bRigal
18:40 mc          ?
18:40 mc          is it possible to find repeatable subfields
18:39 mc          hello world
18:24 kados       by testing for the exact stopword
18:24 kados       that fixes the problem
18:24 kados       /(\P{IsAlpha}$_\P{IsAlpha}|^$_\P{IsAlpha}|\P{IsAlpha}$_$|^$_$)/
18:12 atz         at least it is Unicode aware though
18:11 atz         i think our search parsing is not very articulate though
18:10 atz         \P is the inverted version
18:10 atz         cnighs: no, you were right on that
18:09 cnighs      atz: so \p{IsAlpha} would be looking for non-alpha?
18:09 atz         \pP     Match P-named (Unicode) property
18:09 atz         from perlreref, http://perldoc.perl.org/5.8.8/perlreref.html:
18:07 atz         it's looking to see if it has alpha characters on both sides, or on the front (next to line start ^), or on the back (next to line end $)
18:06 atz         kados: if unquoted, that might be good
18:06 cnighs      kados: it appears that the regexp is looking for $_ with non-alpha chars either on both sides, or following or preceding (I think)
17:55 kados       ' the ' rather
17:52 kados       it seems to fail where $_ == 'the' and the value being tested == 'the'
17:51 kados       the context: $_ is a stopword, and the value being tested is the search string
17:48 kados       /(\P{IsAlpha}$_\P{IsAlpha}|^$_\P{IsAlpha}|\P{IsAlpha}$_$)/
17:48 kados       anyone tell me what the meaning of this regex is:
17:48 kados       cnighs: *nod*
17:44 cnighs      kados: iirc, paul mentioned he would not have internet access until he returned at the end of August
17:41 kados       hdl: thanks
17:40 hdl         OK.
17:40 kados       hdl: so far paul didn't answer
17:11 hdl         Will test.
17:11 hdl         MMM... Don't know what paul answered and what he thinks about that.
16:58 owen        Okay kados I'll make sure I do that
16:58 kados       hdl: yes, but it conflicted with a prior patch from ryan, and ryan sent paul a message on patches asking for clarification
16:58 hdl         Was there a problem with it ?
16:57 hdl         kados : paul reported he sent  a patch correcting this bug.
16:57 kados       owen: just FYI, I rely on status patch-sent + a comment saying what the patch does ... some bugs have more than one patch sent throughout their life
16:57 kados       and since the last comment indicated there were still issues I figured it should be reverted
16:57 kados       I thought Joe had set that patch-sent status
16:56 owen        I just wanted to make sure there wasn't a problem.
16:56 kados       cool
16:56 owen        Yeah, I added a form for non-js users that gets removed when the js toolbar runs
16:55 kados       owen: if it can be closed out by all means mark it FIXED :-)
16:55 kados       owen: ahh, does your patch provide a new patron button or a link when yui and js are missing? if so, I missed it
16:54 kados       hdl: ryan submitted a patch and a note about paul's patch ... I want to make sure it resolves your usage
16:54 owen        I've got one for you kados, I noticed you changed the status of Bug 2344 from patch-sent to p3. Did my patch not solve the problem?
16:53 kados       hdl: do you know the status of bugs 2440 and 2351 ?
16:53 hdl         yes
16:53 kados       hdl: you here?
15:15 ryan        ok, will do.
15:15 hdl         pls do
15:15 ryan        hdl: do you want me to file a bug for it?
15:11 hdl         ryan: I can update it.
15:11 ryan        Anyone volunteer to rewrite merge_authorities today ? :)
15:11 ryan        hrmm.
15:10 hdl         Unfortunately I can't.
15:10 hdl         ryan : I was looking if I could propose a proper version for it.
15:09 gmcharlt    use of MARCdelsubfield is antiquated as well
15:08 gmcharlt    ryan: ack, it does look like it has not been updated for 3.0
15:06 ryan        kados: , gmcharlt , anyone else ?
15:06 ryan        afaik, we no longer have a marc_subfield_table.
15:04 ryan        hdl: the version i'm seeing is very 2.2
15:04 ryan        hdl: did this script get lost?
15:00 hdl         It takes the authorities recorded in local_file repository
15:00 hdl         ryan: not in batch mode.
15:00 ryan        hdl: that looks like it requires two authority records ?
14:58 hdl         ./misc/migration_tools/merge_authority.pl
14:57 ryan        hdl: where's the script that updates bibs with modified authorities ?
14:55 hdl         Maybe we should add an internal function Getissuebranch and use it through the code. same for itemissuingbranch.
14:52 hdl         branch
14:52 hdl         since it takes item homebranch and not CircControl
14:52 hdl         AddRenewal too.
14:50 hdl         in Circulation.pm
14:50 hdl         line 1443
14:48 pianohacker hdl: Which one in specific?
14:44 hdl         kados or anyone on Circulation.pm : It seems to me that usage of HomeOrHoldingBranch has not been propagated to all the functions.
13:54 hdl         ok so rm is right. But it looks strange to me.
13:53 hdl         pages
13:53 hdl         Or was it because there was problems on some persons ?
13:53 owen        It was a request from the release manager :)
13:52 hdl         was it a demand ?
13:52 owen        It no longer "sticks"
13:52 owen        hdl, we changed the way the language-selection worked in the opac
13:49 hdl         Do you have the same behaviour ?
13:49 hdl         seems there is a missing div
13:48 hdl         http://o14.hdlaurent.paulpoulain.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl
13:48 hdl         owen : why is language selection list not sticked to bottom of the page but going up and down ?
13:45 atz         meaning, don't stop here on tab
13:45 atz         i think they should probably just be tabindex=0
13:44 owen        Ah, just did. I see them. I thought you'd turned them up by validating.
13:43 atz         did you do a search?
13:42 owen        I'm not getting any validation errors from addbiblio. I wonder if it depends on the framework?
13:42 owen        Hi atz, I'm looking at your tabindex bug report
13:39 atz         ?
13:39 owen        atz?
13:35 hdl         kados : was Paul's proposed patch for bug 2440 accepted and pushed ?
13:27 hdl         It is quite hard for me to find good sample data for that.
13:27 hdl         sorry for delay.
13:26 kados       hdl: OK, thanks ...
13:26 hdl         Can't reproduce it on a USMARC install. (don't know why)
13:25 hdl         kados : i sent you a link for bug 2410 so that you see the bug.
13:17 cnighs      g'morning
13:14 hdl         But no way.
13:14 hdl         tried to find the same problem on a USMARC with similar items on.
13:12 hdl         kados : sorri.
13:07 owen        Hi gmcharlt, everyone
13:06 gmcharlt    greetings #koha
12:32 kados       hdl: what's up?
12:32 kados       hi hdl
12:22 hdl         kados ?