Time  Nick       Message
23:58 ricardo    Time to go to sleep now. Take care everyone!
23:54 ricardo    kados: Guess you're idling. Oh well... If you could submit the Portuguese translations - that you already approved - into git, it would be nice. If you can't do that (or don't want to, for any reason) it's NOT a big deal. Thanks again for having approved them!  :)
23:22 ricardo    kados: Are you here?
22:30 dbs        hdl++
22:30 ricardo    ... Anyway, Henri. Don't stay up because of me. You need to sleep! :)
22:30 ricardo    (heading "2.2 - French adaptations" of that page)...
22:29 ricardo    By reading   http://www.ifla.org/IV/ifla64/111-161e.htm  it seems that 995 is part of a French Adaptation of UNIMARC. I may be misreading this, however
22:26 hdl        np :)
22:26 ricardo    hdl: Thank you very much for all the important infos, BTW!  :)
22:25 ricardo    hdl: OK... I'll have to find that reference in the UNIMARC spec. The one I find only mentions Block 9 as the "National Use Block" :-S
22:25 hdl        yes (if you follow Recommandation 995 ofr UNIMARC)
22:24 ricardo    hdl: Hmmm... 990c => for "biblios" (or for "biblioitems"?)  and 995r for "items" (talking in Koha tables here) ?
22:23 hdl        level
22:23 hdl        itemlevel rather than biblio leve
22:23 hdl        But you may want itemtype on item and not on biblios.
22:23 hdl        I would say 990c
22:22 hdl        ricardo: it depends on your configuration.
22:22 ricardo    hdl: And in NoZebraIndexes, what would be the correct tag/subfield for item type searches: 990c (Koha Item Type) or 995r (Type or Material)?
22:22 hdl        from what i see in the bug reference, mc is the correct index to use.
22:21 ricardo    hdl: What's the correct behavior - to index using itemtype as mc?
22:21 hdl        (using noZebra)
22:21 hdl        in NoZebraindexes
22:21 hdl        try and see if you are indexing itemtype as mc and not mt or itype.
22:20 ricardo    hdl: Wow... I would never guess that. Thanks for the tip!
22:20 hdl        May also be because of some queryFuzzy and Query* systempreferences set.
22:19 ricardo    hdl: Ah, that's great! Thanks a lot for the feedback!  :)
22:19 hdl        I had this but i sent a patch for that.
22:17 ricardo    (reported by Fréderic Demians, I think)
22:17 ricardo    http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2212
22:17 ricardo    Searching with Itemtype limit doesn't work
22:17 ricardo    Are you having this problem too (I am):
22:17 ricardo    hdl: Just one more thing, please (it's quick)
22:17 chris      night hdl
22:17 hdl        Good night.
22:17 hdl        midnight here.
22:16 ricardo    hdl: Great, thanks!  :)
22:16 hdl        ricardo: I will ask paul asap
22:16 hdl        I will ask paul asap
22:14 hdl        You can disable this "feature" with disabling plugin for leader.
22:12 ricardo    hdl: Interesting, and I surely believe you (and Paul)! But that does seem to create a problem when editing imported records with (correct) sizes of 24 for the Leader (at least for people that do NOT use Zebra). Or am I wrong?
22:09 hdl        ricardo: seems that this patch was added by paul because zebra would not take a leader which doesnot have 25 characters.
22:02 chris      :)
22:02 ricardo    chris: Très bien!  ;-)
22:01 chris      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viennoiserie
22:00 ricardo    chris: Bread with grapefruits? OK, eheh
22:00 chris      its pain aux raisins today :)
22:00 ricardo    chris: LOL. OK!  :)
22:00 chris      ricardo: we have a french worker who likes to bake
21:59 ricardo    chris: Eh?
21:58 chris      ohh viennoiseries on level 2 .. bbiab
21:58 ricardo    http://www.nabble.com/Correct-size-of-UNIMARC-Leader-field-%28000---Record-Label%29%3A-24-or-25-characters--td17733482.html
21:58 ricardo    Correct size of UNIMARC Leader field (000 - Record Label): 24 or 25 characters?
21:58 ricardo    hdl: Could you review this post of mine and give me your feedback, please:
21:55 hdl        I have been wanting to rebuild them for a week
21:55 ricardo    hdl: Hi Henri!  :)
21:55 hdl        sorry for delay.
21:54 kados      hdl++
21:54 hdl        hi ricardo
21:52 ricardo    Hi all  :)
21:40 hdl        kados : building archives for koha-devel atm
20:58 chris      its all true
20:58 dbs        kados: agreed and agreed
20:58 kados      but the other bottom line is: libraries need to get with the program and start producing this kind of stuff on their own
20:57 kados      bottom line is: don't have an API if no-one can use it ;-)
20:57 dbs        but it would be nice for google to actually put something in writing
20:57 dbs        my read of the terms jives with atz
20:57 dbs        fwiw, i posted a question to the google book search google group at http://groups.google.com/group/booksearch-apis/browse_thread/thread/2dc8e8622b5393a4#
20:55 dbs        hey chris
20:55 chris      (and atz and amoore :))
20:55 chris      heya dbs :)
20:53 amoore     !
20:27 atz        s'ok, we all have other stuff to worry about at present
20:27 dbs        sorry, missed the post from a week ago on that. dbs--
20:25 dbs        okay
20:24 atz        yeah, i think that is under Paul's control (iirc)
20:24 dbs        (and, of course, have a public discussion on google's own forum so we can hopefully have a first-hand answer)
20:23 dbs        okay. just thought someone might want to look into getting the official archives working
20:22 atz        dbs: yeah, kados referenced some other archive sites that are up to date
20:21 dbs        I was going to post a question to the google book search group, referencing nicomo and atz's discussion
20:20 dbs        hrm - http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-devel/ seems to have stopped archiving the koha-devel list in may
19:16 eric       thanks for the info guys!
19:06 gmcharlt   eric: particularly the XML and XSLT modules
19:06 kados      it's a dependency problem IIRC ... soemthing about some of the modules not working with the win32 perl implementation (strawberry?)
19:06 eric       Any major issues with the installation, or it's just a question of getting everything packaged together^
19:04 eric       kados, yeah, I'm aware of that (about the installer :) )
19:03 kados      eric: fbcit's working on bugs atm, yes
19:03 kados      eric: yea ... funny thing about libraries: they never pay for installers to be written :-)
19:02 eric       was?  because he is now working on bugfixes as everyone else? :)
19:01 kados      eric: yep, at least he was
19:00 eric       If my memory serves me well, fcbit is adapting/maintaining/porting/patching  the Windows version, is that right?:)
18:57 owen       eric, since Koha for Windows is developed based on the official Koha release, a Windows version 3 isn't to be expected until some time after the Koha 3 official release
18:46 eric       I actually took a look at the wiki page, but its last update was on Jan 30th...  I'll check the list.  Thanks
18:45 owen       eric, have you searched the Koha-Win32 list? http://www.nabble.com/Koha---Win32-f14384.html
18:34 eric       Hi all,  what is the status of Koha 3 for Windows?
18:13 owen       Humph. No credit for Mozilla until they update their home page.
18:12 owen       Did they finally release FF3?
17:50 nengard    okay  -why did FF have to change the RSS icon to blue?  I have to take all new screenshots for the manual - do you all have FF3???  http://tinyurl.com/68lduu
16:43 owen       I wouldn't pick the jquery one just because it was jquery. I would pick the one that seemed to work the best or was easiest to use
16:40 hdl_laptop (actually, I think taht they may both rely on the same code base.)
16:39 owen       Assuming the functionality was the same, I don't know how we'd calculate the speed of either option.
16:37 hdl_laptop If we took one or the other, which would you take, jQuery or the other? ?
16:30 owen       I've been struggling with date processing for another job I've been working on, and I know it's difficult
16:29 owen       Don't be concerned about my javascript coding standards, because they're not very high ;)
16:29 hdl_laptop I just need to match.
16:29 hdl_laptop But it could be OK.
16:29 hdl_laptop which is quite different from "yyyy/mm/dd"
16:28 hdl_laptop "%D/%M/%Y"
16:28 hdl_laptop + problem : DHTML_Date_format is a string as such
16:28 hdl_laptop But I want to be up to your javascript coding standards.
16:27 hdl_laptop hehe
16:26 hdl_laptop yes.
16:26 owen       jquery dates = http://grover.open2space.com/jquery.dates/home ?
16:26 hdl_laptop And atz told me that Calendar should do the job.
16:25 hdl_laptop That maybe sould be enough for that purpose.
16:25 hdl_laptop I also found jquery dates
16:25 hdl_laptop But I thought this could be hard to implement because DHTML_calendar format differed from that calendar.
16:24 hdl_laptop I found that too yesterday.
16:22 hdl_laptop I want the figures to be taken from firstacquidate.
16:21 hdl_laptop When I choose a Firstacquidate Or when I choose a numbering pattern.
16:19 owen       I think so. At what point in the process do you want to use the date from firstacquidate?
16:19 hdl_laptop do you understand ?
16:18 hdl_laptop depending on the time you input the subscription in your system.
16:18 hdl_laptop or 2008/04
16:18 hdl_laptop And not 2008/01
16:18 hdl_laptop then you will receive (for a year/Number numbering pattern) 2008/02 as first value
16:17 hdl_laptop Owhen you are having a numbering pattern relying on frequency and you first accuire on February 2008
16:16 owen       Right, I'm with you that far
16:16 hdl_laptop agreed ?
16:16 hdl_laptop subscription-add.pl has a firstacquidate.
16:15 hdl_laptop )
16:15 hdl_laptop (Considering the hard time I get only to get that date, I can understand why it was designed as such.
16:15 owen       I'm still confused about what you want to do with firstacquidate
16:14 hdl_laptop Which is nonesense.
16:14 hdl_laptop but on now.
16:14 hdl_laptop at the moment donot rely on first acqui date
16:14 hdl_laptop subscription-add.
16:14 hdl_laptop In order to work on that for defining the first week/day/month/year.
16:13 hdl_laptop I want to get a date from firstacquidate.
16:13 hdl_laptop owen : I am working on subscription-add.pl
16:13 owen       can you explain what you're trying to accomplish?
16:12 hdl_laptop But It is really confusing.
16:12 hdl_laptop Or maybe I can get the calendar date directly from it.
16:12 hdl_laptop But if we cannot use some calendar function outside calendar, this can be a problem.
16:11 owen       Yes. I thought about replacing our calendar widget with jquery's, but it's not as fully-featured
16:10 hdl_laptop owen : yes dates not in jquery core but there is a DatePicker i jQuery files.
16:09 owen       ...which means you'd probably get errors or unwanted behavior if you used it outside the context of a calendar
16:09 owen       hdl_laptop: I notice the comment aobut parseDate says it "calls this.setDate which moves the calendar to the given date"
16:08 owen       I'm not aware of any dates functions in jquery core
16:08 hdl_laptop But I donot know whether they are embedded.
16:07 hdl_laptop I thought using some jQuery Dates function I saw.
16:07 hdl_laptop I tried Calendar.parseDate but that also failed.
16:07 hdl_laptop In fact, in my script, it looks as though parseDate is not recognized or defined.
16:06 owen       It looks like as long as the calendar scripts were included on the relevant page you could access the parseDate function. I'm not sure about what effect the namespace has on things, because I'm confused by namespaces
16:05 hdl_laptop lin 1375 in calendar.js
16:03 hdl_laptop I saw there was a prototype for such a function.
16:03 owen       ...but I don't know, because I'm not familiar with the Calendar script or parseDate
16:02 owen       I think it depends... the function might depend on a special date object having been created by the Calendar script
16:02 hdl_laptop I want to use parseDate.
16:02 hdl_laptop owen : can I use some Calendar function outside a calendar ?
15:41 owen       lloyd: the answer is no, googlejackets hasn't been added to the staff interface
15:40 mlasater   Hello
15:40 owen       Hi mlasater
14:52 atz        Vanzetti: etc/zebradb/etc/default.idx
14:50 Vanzetti   where should it be ?
14:50 Vanzetti   14:50:07-17/06 zebraidx(21220) [fatal] default.idx [No such file or directory]
14:48 lloyd      has googlejackets been added to the staff interface yet?
14:48 lloyd      hey.. I've asked this before but I think I asked it to early
14:47 owen       That's from my staff client error log
14:46 Vanzetti   owen: did you watch the logs?
14:42 owen       Anyone know anything about this? ZOOM error 1 "Permanent system error" (addinfo: "Permanent system error") from diag-set 'Bib-1'
14:42 Vanzetti   it check well in the socket
14:42 Vanzetti   atz: in the logs I have this : http://pastebin.com/mde92cf1
14:42 atz        Vanzetti: i'm not much of a zebra expert, unfortunately.
14:41 gmcharlt   atz: no
14:41 Vanzetti   atz: any idea ?
14:39 Vanzetti   /cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=100 <= like this
14:38 atz        gmcharlt: did anything change about our searching logic relative to notes?
14:38 Vanzetti   but they are visible if I go directly on them
14:38 Vanzetti   they cannot be found by zebra
14:38 Vanzetti   yes
14:38 atz        but are not "hit" by searching Zebra index?
14:38 Vanzetti   atz: how that ?
14:37 atz        Vanzetti: so the notes display in your details page
14:37 Vanzetti   i done this and it works well : bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl  -a -b -r -w
14:37 Vanzetti   I cannot find any note
14:37 owen       I have found it useful in the past to enter a date due in the past if I've checked something in by mistake
14:37 Vanzetti   yes
14:37 atz        ah... like public notes?
14:37 Vanzetti   a book description
14:37 Vanzetti   hmmm
14:36 atz        notice?
14:36 Vanzetti   it does not find any notice
14:36 Vanzetti   I have a problem with zebra after reinstall from git
14:36 dkg        i wish real-world data was cleaner than it often ends up being :(
14:35 dkg        atz: yeah, i can see that.
14:34 atz        and probably fines assessement, too
14:34 atz        dkg: that much i think is ok... but it would definitely throw off a stat like "avg. loan period"
14:29 dkg        atz: in answer to your question "how many days overdue is a book that was due 2 days ago, but just checked out today?": i think the answer is 2 days.
14:25 kados      dkg: if you want to do it yourself
14:25 kados      dkg: and there are docs on how to insert your circ data on kohadocs.org and the wiki
14:24 kados      dkg: if you get support from one of the koha companies, yes
14:24 atz        dkg: i'm not sure.  gmcharlt or some of LL's data migration ppl might be able to speak to that
14:24 kados      some iLSes allow you to actually go into the issue record and change the date to whatever you want
14:23 dkg        atz: i'm ok with that: are there scripts for making it easy to import loan records?
14:23 atz        certainly not at the web interface
14:22 dkg        atz: how do you propose entering historic (legacy?) loans for a library transitioning to koha, then?
14:22 atz        dkg: that's right, from the current code's intention.
14:22 dkg        The due date is invalid
14:22 dkg        when i try to make a due date in the past, i get the following message:
14:22 atz        how many days overdue is a book that was due 2 days ago, but just checked out today?
14:21 kados      well, it might be if it has to do with fines
14:21 atz        unless you are going to allow them to change the date of the transaction itself, a past due date isn't helpful
14:20 kados      atz: yea, I meant sometimes people want to check it out to ahve it due a different date in the past
14:20 atz        that doesn't make sense
14:20 atz        that would just allow you to check it out today, due in the past
14:20 kados      atz: ?
14:20 atz        that doesn't do it though
14:19 atz        why?
14:19 kados      we'd better revert that :-)
14:19 atz        yep
14:19 kados      atz: though ... the patch you just sent and I pushed may prevent that, no?
14:17 gmcharlt   dkg: unofficially, yes - instead of using the calendar control to set the override due date, you can enter one that falls in the past
14:16 dkg        i'm trying to help a library convert, and they need to be able to record their outstanding loans.
14:16 dkg        with koha 3 (from git HEAD), is it possible to set the due date of a loan entered today to some time in the past?
13:59 Vanzetti   how can I upgrade my koha 3 install to a git version
13:48 Vanzetti   hi
13:28 kados      w00t
13:27 owen       yes
13:27 kados      owen: I actually see four from you now ... did you just send two more? :-)
13:26 kados      thanks
13:26 owen       I'm marking some this morning that I'll send patches for shortly
13:26 owen       Those two patches should cover the bugs I marked yesterday
13:25 kados      hang on ... I did get two patches from you
13:25 kados      owen: I see a bunch of bugs have patch-sent marked ... but I haven't seen any patches from you, or did you already submit patches for those bugs previously?
13:25 kados      g'morning all
12:49 owen       Hi mc, thanks
12:49 mc         hello all
12:48 mc         bbl
12:48 mc         owen, no
12:45 owen       hdl around?
12:32 owen        ZOOM error 1 "Permanent system error" (addinfo: "Permanent system error") from diag-set 'Bib-1'
12:31 owen       I tried to do a z39.50 search from addbiblio.pl and submitting the search form prompts me to download the z3950_search.pl file
12:31 owen       Is z3950_search.pl broken, or is it just me?
12:17 ccatalfo   hey hdl_laptop
12:17 gmcharlt   hi hdl_laptop
12:16 hdl_laptop hi gmcharlt ccatalfo