Time Nick Message 11:00 gmcharlt ewcc: about? 10:36 ewwc ok, guess I'll pop on home for dinner first 10:36 paul nope, in 2-3 hours he should be around 10:35 ewwc so the best time to catch them is 12 hrs from now, at the end of their day? 10:35 paul atz is from US as well, so probably sleeping (or just awaking & in the bathroom ;-) ) 10:34 ewwc i think atz helped someone install one (read it in the forum) 10:34 paul not me (never tried) 10:34 ewwc has anyone succesfully installed koha3 on OSX Leopard? The help file on the koha wiki is out of date 10:31 ewwc nithing there either 10:31 ewwc tried the home directory 10:31 ewwc no such dir 10:31 ewwc nope 10:29 paul look in /usr/local/koha 10:27 ewwc btw can't find a var directory anywhere in /etc/koha 10:27 ewwc just a matter of installation procedure then? 10:26 paul MAc OS-X, I think it's fine, as it's an unix/linux flavour 10:25 ewwc in that case , here's a usge question - is it advisable to run it on Mac? 10:24 hdl (in the koha directory) 10:24 hdl var/log 10:24 ewwc couple more hrs more 10:24 ewwc ah 10:23 paul ewwc: in some hours, you could meet gmcharlt here, that should be much more efficient than me on helping you. atm, I think he's still sleeping (US guy) 10:22 paul hdl, do you know where the logs are located on a fresh install by default ? 10:22 ewwc >_< 10:22 paul mmm... I don't think so. It will cause a problem later I think. Not when you start koha. 10:22 ewwc I think this might be the culprit 10:21 ewwc I got this while installing the zebrasrv: - [fatal] lock file /var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios/zebrasrv.pid [No such file or directory] 10:20 ewwc which log and where 10:20 ewwc yeah I'm still new to all this 10:19 paul ewwc: this error is useless for debugguing. you must go to your logs and investigate here 10:17 ewwc when I try to go to http://servername:8080 I get production mode - trapped fatal error 10:15 ewwc the make test one or the other? 10:15 ewwc which error did you want? 10:13 kados ok 10:13 paul kados : it will be time for lunch for me. Go to take a breakfast, we will continue later. 10:13 ewwc hold on, let me boot up the ubuntu 10:12 paul could you copy/paste the exact error you get ? 10:12 ewwc so where did I go wrong? 10:12 ewwc I think the errors are negligible as they are for perl modules that were not mentioned in the walkthrough 10:11 ewwc there are errors when doing the make test for koha 10:10 ewwc well I followed the instructions for ubuntu gutsy but now i get fatal error trap for the last step 10:09 paul ewwc: probably the best one ;-) 10:09 paul as the datas will be saved correctly. 10:09 ewwc is this a good place to get help installing koha 10:09 paul but I think we can release 3.0 and fix those bugs after, in 3.0.1 10:08 paul not because of no need. 10:08 paul I fact, I think reports are underused because of their bugs. 10:08 ewwc Brunei, its evening here 10:08 paul hello ewwc. good morning/evening/afternoon, depending on where you come from. 10:08 kados paul: I worry about the reports issues too ... I guess French libraries don't need much reporting? 10:07 ewwc hello? 10:07 paul ok, will try to do that today... added to my very long list of things to do... 10:07 kados paul: http://tinyurl.com/5apjsy 10:06 kados paul: there are 163 'normal' bugs ... can you look at the list and make sure none of them should be major, blocker or critical? 10:05 paul however, I agree with you that such bugs must be fixed. even if we (BibLibre clients) don't suffer of it. 10:05 kados and I find additional errors too ... the total isn't updated at all when entering amount 10:05 kados no, it did not 10:04 paul 1965: joe wrote on march, 6 that he sended a patch. It did not solve this bug ? 10:03 kados :( 10:03 paul 1965 : unseen, as in France, most libraries have a public contract, and shipping cost is included, so it's always 0 ;-) 10:03 kados !! I begin to see the problem :-) 10:02 kados so fines are also a point of contention 10:02 kados oh! 10:02 kados and 1920: total price not saving to order 10:02 paul fines, I don't have a library using it. In france, only SAN-OP use them, and they plan to get rid with them. 10:02 kados 1965 10:02 kados like shipping costs disappearing in acquisitions 10:02 kados surely french libraries will have a problem with many of these 10:01 kados paul: what about the rest of the issues ... fines, reports, notices, and the 40 bugs 10:01 paul yep. 10:01 kados paul: lets ignore that one for now ... we can implement our workaround if need be 10:01 kados paul: so holds is a special case as you are happy with it and US libraries aren't 10:00 kados :) 10:00 paul in fact they still will have to wait 5 months, but the hold won't be pending for 5 months ;-) 09:59 paul most libraries here limit the number of holds possible to a given item, to avoid ppl having to wait for 5months to get a book 09:59 kados yep 09:59 paul wow ! 09:59 paul 3-400 hold on a single title ???????? 09:58 paul and changing completly the behaviour is a long term & hard solution 09:58 kados just imagine howard county for instance ... they often have 3-400 holds on a single title 09:58 kados we can implement NPL's workaround, but it will be a dirty solution 09:58 paul too bad... that will be hard to change... 09:57 kados in fact, I can say that 99% of US libraries would be very unhappy with this broadcast 1st to pick it approach 09:57 kados correct 09:57 paul so it means that the '1st to pick it' as done with Koha atm is not what they need ? 09:56 kados so NPL for instance, has a holds queue table that is updated every 10 minutes 09:56 kados rather than the Koha approach of broadcasting the hold to all libraries 09:55 kados and libraries that own a title are targeted until they say they don't have that item available, then another library is targeted 09:55 kados in US libraries, holds are managed in a queue 09:55 kados but it has to do with the holds problems I mention above 09:55 kados yep, that's a poor bug report 09:54 paul for example #1532 (the 1st one) 09:54 paul + for some of them, I think the description is very obscure & I personnaly don't see how to fix /what to fix 09:54 paul it depends on how many time is needed to fix them ;-) 09:53 kados paul: so I'm curious if you would recommend a release before or after these issues are fixed 09:53 kados also, we don't have many clients using acquisitions, but I know there are some outstanding and perhaps unreported issues there 09:52 kados holds works perfectly for a single-branch library, but we have to do a workaround for multi-branch libraries 09:52 kados + there are still pretty serious issues with the holds process, fines management, notices, and reports that will make Koha inadequate for most US libraries 09:51 kados http://tinyurl.com/5hysmf 09:51 kados so ... I count 40 bugs with blocker, critical and major 09:51 paul hi joshua 09:51 kados hi paul 01:40 owen g'nite #koha 23:30 atz but given that service, it seems like a valuable identifier to have 23:29 atz right, you still need a starting point OCLCnum 23:29 kados but it sorta assumes you use oclc records 23:29 kados with very minor tweaks we could turn that on 23:28 kados yea, that's pretty interesting 23:02 atz 5 times as many targets as xISBN 23:02 atz wow... just saw the announcement of OCLC xOCLCnum service 20:26 kados :) 20:26 nengard well - that makes sense :) 20:25 kados nengard: Acquisitions tab 20:24 nengard thanks kados - where will it go? so i can update the manual 20:24 kados nengard: I'll take care of it 20:23 nengard kados should I report it? hdl are you around? (probably not - it's late in France) 20:17 kados ahh ... because hdl forgot to assign it to a tab 20:17 nengard kados it's under the local use tab on the admin > general preferences 20:15 kados what does Local Use mean? 20:15 nengard why is it Local Use? 20:15 nengard neat 20:15 nengard Oh! 20:15 kados nengard: if you renew a serial subscription, it generates a suggestion so the selector knows to order it 20:15 nengard kados - so how does it work? what does it do? 20:15 nengard okay 20:15 kados nengard: it's to p romote some tie-in between serials and acquisitions 20:14 kados nengard: I can answer that 20:12 nengard hdl i'm reading through commits to update manual and see this one: http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=commit;h=275f3c2b1ee32cc13b37b5b142ddefaa4419b375 what does this sys preference do? 18:55 kados owen: yea, it's a static definition 18:55 kados as it doesn't have that targeting capability 18:55 owen Doesn't NPL's reserves script do some kind of branch prioritization? 18:55 kados ok, so I'm guessing this won't really work for NPL then as implemented 18:55 kados gotcha 18:54 owen Only if the first branch's copy has been made lost 18:54 kados ie, if a book is targeted for a specific branch, and isn't filled the first day, is it bumped to the next branch? 18:54 owen Yes 18:54 kados does NPL's queue change from day to day? 18:53 kados admin / demo 18:53 kados sort of ... 18:53 kados http://staff-jmf.dev.kohalibrary.com/cgi-bin/koha/circ/pendingreserves.pl 18:53 owen Is it doing any branch specification? 18:53 kados I'm guessing the branch specification isn't good enough for NPl yet 18:51 kados well, it's been pushed afaik 18:51 owen What is it doing? 18:50 kados darrell submitted a patch for this, but I'm not clear whether it will work as NPL expects 18:49 owen Yes 18:49 kados owen: I'm on bug duty today and have a questiona bout 1824 18:49 kados owen: got a sec? 18:00 kados the others can probably be ignored for now, or removed 18:00 kados owen: so I think only authorities/detail.pl needs to be updated to remove mainmenu.inc 17:59 kados it's not linked to from anywhere, I'd say we can remove it 17:58 kados paul, hdl any ideas what suggest.pl is? 17:58 kados Undefined subroutine &main::findsuggestion called at /home/jmf/repos/koha-rm-test.git/catalogue/suggest.pl line 39. 17:58 kados /cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/suggest.pl doesn't work 17:57 owen Take a look...I'm not sure what that is 17:57 kados not sure what suggest.tmpl is ... is that suggestions management for acquisitions? 17:56 kados dictionary.tmpl should proabbly be retained 17:56 kados the nomarc tmpls can be removed afaik 17:56 kados we should retain it, for future integration 17:56 kados catmaintain was for managing deleted bibs and items 17:56 kados don't think so 17:55 owen And those -nomarc files? 17:55 owen Is catmaintain.tmpl still used? 17:55 owen No, it doesn't work that way. 17:54 kados owen: can I just replace all of those with header.inc? 17:54 kados modules/catalogue/suggest.tmpl:<!-- TMPL_INCLUDE NAME="mainmenu.inc" --> 17:54 kados modules/catalogue/dictionary.tmpl:<!-- TMPL_INCLUDE NAME="mainmenu.inc" --> 17:54 kados modules/authorities/detail.tmpl:<!-- TMPL_INCLUDE NAME="mainmenu.inc" --> 17:54 kados modules/cataloguing/addbiblio-nomarc.tmpl:<!-- TMPL_INCLUDE NAME="mainmenu.inc" --> 17:54 kados modules/cataloguing/additem-nomarc.tmpl:<!-- TMPL_INCLUDE NAME="mainmenu.inc" --> 17:54 kados modules/maint/catmaintain.tmpl:<!-- TMPL_INCLUDE NAME="mainmenu.inc" --> 17:54 kados grep -r mainmenu.inc * 17:54 kados owen: looks like it's being used in a couple places still, but not sure if that's deprecated 17:54 owen No 17:53 kados owen: any reason for mainmenu.inc to stick around? 17:45 kados CAN_user_acquisition and CAN_user_serials 17:44 kados I'll take care of it 17:44 kados yea, the serials one needs to be added in the serials and ditto with acquisitions 17:44 owen Those links are wrapped in <!-- TMPL_IF NAME="CAN_user_editcatalogue" --> 17:43 kados not that I'm aware of 17:43 owen Did that permissions variable change? 17:42 kados owen: I'm happy to fix that, just wanted to make sure you wern't working on it already to avoid conflict 17:41 kados on the dashboard and on the more dropdown 17:41 kados for some reason, the acquisitions and serials links are showing up for staff that don't have access to them 17:41 owen Yes 17:41 kados owen: got a sec? 16:44 owen Hi kados 16:43 hdl hi kados 16:27 gmcharlt hi kados 16:00 lloyd_ mmm anybody know why mason's permissions patch hasn't been accepted yet? 15:59 owen hdl: I had hidden the "filter suggestions" form if OPACViewOthersSuggestions is turned off. I thought this was justified because it includes a "suggested by anyone" choice 15:57 owen hdl: I'm not finding that it's showing me suggestions other than my own 15:36 owen http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=commit;h=1740f374eeeb788ed29c78ac3419bd64bcd0ccdd 15:33 owen I submitted a patch for that recently...didn't I? 15:33 hdl When there are no pending suggestions, you cannot create one. 15:33 hdl it is quite weird. 15:28 owen A search form? 15:28 hdl it was simply filtering. 15:28 hdl tabs ? 15:27 owen Are you remembering tabs that showed "suggetions" and "my suggestions" ? 15:26 owen that just added the "check all" buttons and moved teh "new suggestion" link 15:26 hdl But I will cope with that. 15:26 hdl That changed OPAC suggestion behaviour. 15:25 hdl I think. 15:25 hdl was this commit Adding check all/none controls to opac suggestions, following opac shelves interface. 15:25 hdl owen In fact, i have searched too fast. 15:24 owen hdl, is this the commit you're referring to? http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=commitdiff;h=3b17b75c8698a8a689d70a37089fb3ec4addbf82#patch8 15:15 nengard there is a bit of a mess going on there 15:15 nengard hdl i agree 15:12 hdl owen is a happy man ;) 15:12 hdl OFF 15:12 owen hdl: OPACViewOthersSuggestions os turned on? 15:11 nengard :( oh poo 15:11 owen Sorry nengard, I don't have data with fines either. 15:11 nengard <nengard> nce@liblime.com 15:11 nengard unrelated question - can one of you send me a screenshot the fines page for a patron who has overdue items? I don't need to see patron's info - just the account section on their profile on staff side ... I want to see what an overdue line looks like on a profile so I can document it 15:11 nengard no one answered - can anyone do this? 15:10 hdl In fact, it is displaying all users suggestions when it is said to display ONLY your suggestions. 15:09 hdl No. 15:06 hdl This feature disappeared in this commit in November 27 15:06 hdl More OPAC updates, including changes to how virtual shelves and suggestions links ... 15:05 hdl Because some customers were quite pleased to filter suggestions and now, it is not possible. 15:03 owen I don't know 15:01 hdl owen : why is there no way to select only his own suggestion on opac-suggestion.pl anymore ? 14:24 atz owen: unlikely to occur simultaneously since different terminology and style are used for the same things 14:23 owen So the switch should incorporate changes to all scripts that incorporate that stuff 14:22 atz in the long run whatever overhead there is will be better than our current many reproductions of toggle/highlight/counter code 14:21 atz and no, currently we have one constructor for everything 14:21 atz i think the overhead is minor 14:21 owen Can that be done on a per-script basis? Does that introduce a lot more overhead? 14:20 atz to include loop_context_vars=>1 14:20 atz change the constructor call to H:T:P 14:19 owen atz, what was it we had to do in order to be able to use HTML::Template's variables like EVEN and ODD? 14:08 nengard nce@liblime.com 14:07 nengard unrelated question - can one of you send me a screenshot the fines page for a patron who has overdue items? I don't need to see patron's info - just the account section on their profile on staff side ... I want to see what an overdue line looks like on a profile so I can document it 14:05 nengard okay 14:05 nengard ahhh 14:05 owen Sure, that's because I have Amazon and GoogleJackets on at the same time :) 14:04 nengard owen - your shelf browser is showing dup images ... on that last link you sent 14:03 atz owen: perhaps the odd isbn breaks the recursion? namely "0553156993 | 0" 13:59 atz ah 13:58 atz xISBN or something? 13:58 owen Amazon 13:58 atz owen: and what kind of intelligence establishes the "similarity" relationship? 13:57 owen But it's not happening with everything: http://oleonard.dev.kohalibrary.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=85 13:56 lloyd_ before alpha 13:56 owen The biblionumbers are sequential as you go down the list 13:56 atz When was the "Similar Items" feature introduced? 13:55 atz links back to biblionumber 5... "Stand tall, Molly Lou Melon" 13:55 atz that doesn't make any sense 13:54 owen That's not even a title in my database. 13:53 nengard ewww 13:53 owen http://oleonard.dev.kohalibrary.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=92 13:53 nengard manual updated 13:53 nengard at i hope not - owen that's not good 13:52 atz 512 translations? 13:50 nengard okey dokey!! 13:49 owen nengard: I can confirm that AmazonSimilarItems requires AmazonContent to be turned on 13:46 hdl thx gmcharlt 13:46 hdl I couldnot see it in my box.