Time  Nick     Message
11:00 gmcharlt ewcc: about?
10:36 ewwc     ok, guess I'll pop on home for dinner first
10:36 paul     nope, in 2-3 hours he should be around
10:35 ewwc     so the best time to catch them is 12 hrs from now, at the end of their day?
10:35 paul     atz is from US as well, so probably sleeping (or just awaking & in the bathroom ;-) )
10:34 ewwc     i think atz helped someone install one (read it in the forum)
10:34 paul     not me (never tried)
10:34 ewwc     has anyone succesfully installed koha3 on OSX Leopard? The help file on the koha wiki is out of date
10:31 ewwc     nithing there either
10:31 ewwc     tried the home directory
10:31 ewwc     no such dir
10:31 ewwc     nope
10:29 paul     look in /usr/local/koha
10:27 ewwc     btw can't find a var directory anywhere in /etc/koha
10:27 ewwc     just a matter of installation procedure then?
10:26 paul     MAc OS-X, I think it's fine, as it's an unix/linux flavour
10:25 ewwc     in that case , here's a usge question - is it advisable to run it on Mac?
10:24 hdl      (in the koha directory)
10:24 hdl      var/log
10:24 ewwc     couple more hrs more
10:24 ewwc     ah
10:23 paul     ewwc: in some hours, you could meet gmcharlt here, that should be much more efficient than me on helping you. atm, I think he's still sleeping (US guy)
10:22 paul     hdl, do you know where the logs are located on a fresh install by default ?
10:22 ewwc     >_<
10:22 paul     mmm... I don't think so. It will cause a problem later I think. Not when you start koha.
10:22 ewwc     I think this might be the culprit
10:21 ewwc     I got this while installing the zebrasrv: - [fatal] lock file /var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios/zebrasrv.pid [No such file or directory]
10:20 ewwc     which log and where
10:20 ewwc     yeah I'm still new to all this
10:19 paul     ewwc: this error is useless for debugguing. you must go to your logs and investigate here
10:17 ewwc     when I try to go to http://servername:8080 I get production mode - trapped fatal error
10:15 ewwc     the make test one or the other?
10:15 ewwc     which error did you want?
10:13 kados    ok
10:13 paul     kados : it will be time for lunch for me. Go to take a breakfast, we will continue later.
10:13 ewwc     hold on, let me boot up the ubuntu
10:12 paul     could you copy/paste the exact error you get ?
10:12 ewwc     so where did I go wrong?
10:12 ewwc     I think the errors are negligible as they are for perl modules that were not mentioned in the walkthrough
10:11 ewwc     there are errors when doing the make test for koha
10:10 ewwc     well I followed the instructions for ubuntu gutsy but now i get fatal error trap for the last step
10:09 paul     ewwc: probably the best one ;-)
10:09 paul     as the datas will be saved correctly.
10:09 ewwc     is this a good place to get help installing koha
10:09 paul     but I think we can release 3.0 and fix those bugs after, in 3.0.1
10:08 paul     not because of no need.
10:08 paul     I fact, I think reports are underused because of their bugs.
10:08 ewwc     Brunei, its evening here
10:08 paul     hello ewwc. good morning/evening/afternoon, depending on where you come from.
10:08 kados    paul: I worry about the reports issues too ... I guess French libraries don't need much reporting?
10:07 ewwc     hello?
10:07 paul     ok, will try to do that today... added to my very long list of things to do...
10:07 kados    paul: http://tinyurl.com/5apjsy
10:06 kados    paul: there are 163 'normal' bugs ... can you look at the list and make sure none of them should be major, blocker or critical?
10:05 paul     however, I agree with you that such bugs must be fixed. even if we (BibLibre clients) don't suffer of it.
10:05 kados    and I find additional errors too ... the total isn't updated at all when entering amount
10:05 kados    no, it did not
10:04 paul     1965: joe wrote on march, 6 that he sended a patch. It did not solve this bug ?
10:03 kados    :(
10:03 paul     1965 : unseen, as in France, most libraries have a public contract, and shipping cost is included, so it's always 0 ;-)
10:03 kados    !! I begin to see the problem :-)
10:02 kados    so fines are also a point of contention
10:02 kados    oh!
10:02 kados    and 1920: total price not saving to order
10:02 paul     fines, I don't have a library using it. In france, only SAN-OP use them, and they plan to get rid with them.
10:02 kados    1965
10:02 kados    like shipping costs disappearing in acquisitions
10:02 kados    surely french libraries will have a problem with many of these
10:01 kados    paul: what about the rest of the issues ... fines, reports, notices, and the 40 bugs
10:01 paul     yep.
10:01 kados    paul: lets ignore that one for now ... we can implement our workaround if need be
10:01 kados    paul: so holds is a special case as you are happy with it and US libraries aren't
10:00 kados    :)
10:00 paul     in fact they still will have to wait 5 months, but the hold won't be pending for 5 months ;-)
09:59 paul     most libraries here limit the number of holds possible to a given item, to avoid ppl having to wait for 5months to get a book
09:59 kados    yep
09:59 paul     wow !
09:59 paul     3-400 hold on a single title ????????
09:58 paul     and changing completly the behaviour is a long term & hard solution
09:58 kados    just imagine howard county for instance ... they often have 3-400 holds on a single title
09:58 kados    we can implement NPL's workaround, but it will be a dirty solution
09:58 paul     too bad... that will be hard to change...
09:57 kados    in fact, I can say that 99% of US libraries would be very unhappy with this broadcast 1st to pick it approach
09:57 kados    correct
09:57 paul     so it means that the '1st to pick it' as done with Koha atm is not what they need ?
09:56 kados    so NPL for instance, has a holds queue table that is updated every 10 minutes
09:56 kados    rather than the Koha approach of broadcasting the hold to all libraries
09:55 kados    and libraries that own a title are targeted until they say they don't have that item available, then another library is targeted
09:55 kados    in US libraries, holds are managed in a queue
09:55 kados    but it has to do with the holds problems I mention above
09:55 kados    yep, that's a poor bug report
09:54 paul     for example #1532 (the 1st one)
09:54 paul     + for some of them, I think the description is very obscure & I personnaly don't see how to fix /what to fix
09:54 paul     it depends on how many time is needed to fix them ;-)
09:53 kados    paul: so I'm curious if you would recommend a release before or after these issues are fixed
09:53 kados    also, we don't have many clients using acquisitions, but I know there are some outstanding and perhaps unreported issues there
09:52 kados    holds works perfectly for a single-branch library, but we have to do a workaround for multi-branch libraries
09:52 kados    + there are still pretty serious issues with the holds process, fines management, notices, and reports that will make Koha inadequate for most US libraries
09:51 kados    http://tinyurl.com/5hysmf
09:51 kados    so ... I count 40 bugs with blocker, critical and major
09:51 paul     hi joshua
09:51 kados    hi paul
01:40 owen     g'nite #koha
23:30 atz      but given that service, it seems like a valuable identifier to have
23:29 atz      right, you still need a starting point OCLCnum
23:29 kados    but it sorta assumes you use oclc records
23:29 kados    with very minor tweaks we could turn that on
23:28 kados    yea, that's pretty interesting
23:02 atz      5 times as many targets as xISBN
23:02 atz      wow... just saw the announcement of OCLC xOCLCnum service
20:26 kados    :)
20:26 nengard  well - that makes sense :)
20:25 kados    nengard: Acquisitions tab
20:24 nengard  thanks kados - where will it go? so i can update the manual
20:24 kados    nengard: I'll take care of it
20:23 nengard  kados should I report it? hdl are you around? (probably not - it's late in France)
20:17 kados    ahh ... because hdl forgot to assign it to a tab
20:17 nengard  kados it's under the local use tab on the admin > general preferences
20:15 kados    what does Local Use mean?
20:15 nengard  why is it Local Use?
20:15 nengard  neat
20:15 nengard  Oh!
20:15 kados    nengard: if you renew a serial subscription, it generates a suggestion so the selector knows to order it
20:15 nengard  kados - so how does it work? what does it do?
20:15 nengard  okay
20:15 kados    nengard: it's to p romote some tie-in between serials and acquisitions
20:14 kados    nengard: I can answer that
20:12 nengard  hdl i'm reading through commits to update manual and see this one: http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=commit;h=275f3c2b1ee32cc13b37b5b142ddefaa4419b375 what does this sys preference do?
18:55 kados    owen: yea, it's a static definition
18:55 kados    as it doesn't have that targeting capability
18:55 owen     Doesn't NPL's reserves script do some kind of branch prioritization?
18:55 kados    ok, so I'm guessing this won't really work for NPL then as implemented
18:55 kados    gotcha
18:54 owen     Only if the first branch's copy has been made lost
18:54 kados    ie, if a book is targeted for a specific branch, and isn't filled the first day, is it bumped to the next branch?
18:54 owen     Yes
18:54 kados    does NPL's queue change from day to day?
18:53 kados    admin / demo
18:53 kados    sort of ...
18:53 kados    http://staff-jmf.dev.kohalibrary.com/cgi-bin/koha/circ/pendingreserves.pl
18:53 owen     Is it doing any branch specification?
18:53 kados    I'm guessing the branch specification isn't good enough for NPl yet
18:51 kados    well, it's been pushed afaik
18:51 owen     What is it doing?
18:50 kados    darrell submitted a patch for this, but I'm not clear whether it will work as NPL expects
18:49 owen     Yes
18:49 kados    owen: I'm on bug duty today and have a questiona bout 1824
18:49 kados    owen: got a sec?
18:00 kados    the others can probably be ignored for now, or removed
18:00 kados    owen: so I think only authorities/detail.pl needs to be updated to remove mainmenu.inc
17:59 kados    it's not linked to from anywhere, I'd say we can remove it
17:58 kados    paul, hdl any ideas what suggest.pl is?
17:58 kados    Undefined subroutine &main::findsuggestion called at /home/jmf/repos/koha-rm-test.git/catalogue/suggest.pl line 39.
17:58 kados    /cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/suggest.pl doesn't work
17:57 owen     Take a look...I'm not sure what that is
17:57 kados    not sure what suggest.tmpl is ... is that suggestions management for acquisitions?
17:56 kados    dictionary.tmpl should proabbly be retained
17:56 kados    the nomarc tmpls can be removed afaik
17:56 kados    we should retain it, for future integration
17:56 kados    catmaintain was for managing deleted bibs and items
17:56 kados    don't think so
17:55 owen     And those -nomarc files?
17:55 owen     Is catmaintain.tmpl still used?
17:55 owen     No, it doesn't work that way.
17:54 kados    owen: can I just replace all of those with header.inc?
17:54 kados    modules/catalogue/suggest.tmpl:<!-- TMPL_INCLUDE NAME="mainmenu.inc" -->
17:54 kados    modules/catalogue/dictionary.tmpl:<!-- TMPL_INCLUDE NAME="mainmenu.inc" -->
17:54 kados    modules/authorities/detail.tmpl:<!-- TMPL_INCLUDE NAME="mainmenu.inc" -->
17:54 kados    modules/cataloguing/addbiblio-nomarc.tmpl:<!-- TMPL_INCLUDE NAME="mainmenu.inc" -->
17:54 kados    modules/cataloguing/additem-nomarc.tmpl:<!-- TMPL_INCLUDE NAME="mainmenu.inc" -->
17:54 kados    modules/maint/catmaintain.tmpl:<!-- TMPL_INCLUDE NAME="mainmenu.inc" -->
17:54 kados     grep -r mainmenu.inc *
17:54 kados    owen: looks like it's being used in a couple places still, but not sure if that's deprecated
17:54 owen     No
17:53 kados    owen: any reason for mainmenu.inc to stick around?
17:45 kados    CAN_user_acquisition and CAN_user_serials
17:44 kados    I'll take care of it
17:44 kados    yea, the serials one needs to be added in the serials and ditto with acquisitions
17:44 owen     Those links are wrapped in <!-- TMPL_IF NAME="CAN_user_editcatalogue" -->
17:43 kados    not that I'm aware of
17:43 owen     Did that permissions variable change?
17:42 kados    owen: I'm happy to fix that, just wanted to make sure you wern't working on it already to avoid  conflict
17:41 kados    on the dashboard and on the more dropdown
17:41 kados    for some reason, the acquisitions and serials links are showing up for staff that don't have access to them
17:41 owen     Yes
17:41 kados    owen: got a sec?
16:44 owen     Hi kados
16:43 hdl      hi kados
16:27 gmcharlt hi kados
16:00 lloyd_   mmm anybody know why mason's permissions patch hasn't been accepted yet?
15:59 owen     hdl: I had hidden the "filter suggestions" form if OPACViewOthersSuggestions is turned off. I thought this was justified because it includes a "suggested by anyone" choice
15:57 owen     hdl: I'm not finding that it's showing me suggestions other than my own
15:36 owen     http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=commit;h=1740f374eeeb788ed29c78ac3419bd64bcd0ccdd
15:33 owen     I submitted a patch for that recently...didn't I?
15:33 hdl      When there are no pending suggestions, you cannot create one.
15:33 hdl      it is quite weird.
15:28 owen     A search form?
15:28 hdl      it was simply filtering.
15:28 hdl      tabs ?
15:27 owen     Are you remembering tabs that showed "suggetions" and "my suggestions" ?
15:26 owen     that just added the "check all" buttons and moved teh "new suggestion" link
15:26 hdl      But I will cope with that.
15:26 hdl      That changed OPAC suggestion behaviour.
15:25 hdl      I think.
15:25 hdl      was this commit Adding check all/none controls to opac suggestions, following opac shelves interface.
15:25 hdl      owen In fact, i have searched too fast.
15:24 owen     hdl, is this the commit you're referring to? http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=commitdiff;h=3b17b75c8698a8a689d70a37089fb3ec4addbf82#patch8
15:15 nengard  there is a bit of a mess going on there
15:15 nengard  hdl i agree
15:12 hdl      owen is a happy man ;)
15:12 hdl      OFF
15:12 owen     hdl: OPACViewOthersSuggestions os turned on?
15:11 nengard  :( oh poo
15:11 owen     Sorry nengard, I don't have data with fines either.
15:11 nengard   <nengard> nce@liblime.com
15:11 nengard  unrelated question - can one of you send me a screenshot the fines page for a patron who has overdue items?  I don't need to see patron's info - just the account section on their profile on staff side ... I want to see what an overdue line looks like on a profile so I can document it
15:11 nengard  no one answered - can anyone do this?
15:10 hdl      In fact, it is displaying all users suggestions when it is said to display ONLY your suggestions.
15:09 hdl      No.
15:06 hdl      This feature disappeared in this commit in November 27
15:06 hdl      More OPAC updates, including changes to how virtual shelves and suggestions links ...
15:05 hdl      Because some customers were quite pleased to filter suggestions and now, it is not possible.
15:03 owen     I don't know
15:01 hdl      owen : why is there no way to select only his own suggestion on opac-suggestion.pl anymore ?
14:24 atz      owen: unlikely to occur simultaneously since different terminology and style are used for the same things
14:23 owen     So the switch should incorporate changes to all scripts that incorporate that stuff
14:22 atz      in the long run whatever overhead there is will be better than our current many reproductions of toggle/highlight/counter code
14:21 atz      and no, currently we have one constructor for everything
14:21 atz      i think the overhead is minor
14:21 owen     Can that be done on a per-script basis? Does that introduce a lot more overhead?
14:20 atz      to include loop_context_vars=>1
14:20 atz      change the constructor call to H:T:P
14:19 owen     atz, what was it we had to do in order to be able to use HTML::Template's variables like EVEN and ODD?
14:08 nengard  nce@liblime.com
14:07 nengard  unrelated question - can one of you send me a screenshot the fines page for a patron who has overdue items?  I don't need to see patron's info - just the account section on their profile on staff side ... I want to see what an overdue line looks like on a profile so I can document it
14:05 nengard  okay
14:05 nengard  ahhh
14:05 owen     Sure, that's because I have Amazon and GoogleJackets on at the same time :)
14:04 nengard  owen - your shelf browser is showing dup images ... on that last link you sent
14:03 atz      owen: perhaps the odd isbn breaks the recursion?  namely  "0553156993 | 0"
13:59 atz      ah
13:58 atz      xISBN or something?
13:58 owen     Amazon
13:58 atz      owen: and what kind of intelligence establishes the "similarity" relationship?
13:57 owen     But it's not happening with everything: http://oleonard.dev.kohalibrary.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=85
13:56 lloyd_   before alpha
13:56 owen     The biblionumbers are sequential as you go down the list
13:56 atz      When was the "Similar Items" feature introduced?
13:55 atz      links back to biblionumber 5... "Stand tall, Molly Lou Melon"
13:55 atz      that doesn't make any sense
13:54 owen     That's not even a title in my database.
13:53 nengard  ewww
13:53 owen     http://oleonard.dev.kohalibrary.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=92
13:53 nengard  manual updated
13:53 nengard  at i hope not - owen that's not good
13:52 atz      512 translations?
13:50 nengard  okey dokey!!
13:49 owen     nengard: I can confirm that AmazonSimilarItems requires AmazonContent to be turned on
13:46 hdl      thx gmcharlt
13:46 hdl      I couldnot see it in my box.