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04:59 donovan is there someone here who could respond to some questions on the project?
04:57 donovan hello all.
04:20 MatthewMetzger YAML::Syck is not installed at ./perlmodule_rm.pl line 12
04:20 MatthewMetzger sysadmin@document-server:/usr/share/koha/bin$ sudo ./perlmodule_rm.pl YAML::Syck
04:20 MatthewMetzger XML::LibXSLT is not installed at ./perlmodule_rm.pl line 12
04:20 MatthewMetzger sysadmin@document-server:/usr/share/koha/bin$ sudo ./perlmodule_rm.pl XML::LibXSLT
04:20 MatthewMetzger kados: Here's what I got.
03:53 MatthewMetzger except installing perl modules
03:53 MatthewMetzger okay. I'll try that first. cpan doesn't seem to have a remove command. I'm familiar with perl, but don't have much practical experience with it.
03:52 kados sometimes yes
03:51 MatthewMetzger does that script do the removing?
03:51 kados there's a bin/rm_perlmod.pl script in your koha install
03:51 MatthewMetzger okay.
03:50 kados well, you can uninstall the cpan version
03:50 MatthewMetzger How do I go about fixing it?
03:49 kados yes
03:49 MatthewMetzger I believe that I tried the ubuntu repositories first, but that the version number wasn't high enough and then I tried cpan. Could that be the problem?
03:48 kados did you install XML::LibXML from cpan or from your package maintainer?
03:48 MatthewMetzger The strange thing is that both XML::LibXSLT and YAML::Syck are installed according to cpan, but the koha about page says they're missing
03:47 MatthewMetzger Yes, I changed it to both mysql and tmp and have the same behavior.
03:47 kados it's in the sysprefs
03:47 kados yes it is
03:46 MatthewMetzger yes, I believe that's a setting in the intranet administration. If so, then yes. If not, then I'm not sure I understand fully.
03:45 kados in place of regular ole mysql?
03:45 kados did you try changing to use the file sqllite?
03:45 MatthewMetzger Although, I think I have more problems :)
03:45 MatthewMetzger yes.
03:45 kados ahh, you're the one with the sessions prob?
03:44 MatthewMetzger perl-YAML-Syck
03:44 MatthewMetzger My problem is the latest post to the koha devel list
03:44 kados what perl modules are giving you trouble?
03:43 MatthewMetzger ubuntu dapper 6.06
03:43 MatthewMetzger I've almost successfully completed an upgrade from 2.2.9 to 3.0 alpha
03:43 kados what distro of linux?
03:42 MatthewMetzger trying to figure out what the problem is with some of my perl modules
03:42 MatthewMetzger I've been on the lists and on this channel for a while
03:42 MatthewMetzger kados: hello
03:41 kados hi MatthewMetzger
03:41 MatthewMetzger Hello. Anyone awake?
03:05 kados cool
03:04 chris then make a patch
03:04 chris ill take all my debug back out
03:03 kados sweet
03:03 chris it spazzes once now, and then reconnects
03:03 kados chris++
03:03 kados sweet
03:03 chris that got it
03:03 kados got it?
03:03 chris w00t
02:57 kados cool
02:57 chris so ill try adding exception and/or check to the Zconn sub in C4::Context see if that sorts it
02:56 chris but its a dud
02:56 chris so it gets back a Zconn from C4::Context
02:56 chris thats the line that throws that error
02:56 chris my($error, $errmsg, $addinfo, $diagset) = $Zconn->error_x();
02:55 kados oh, yea, I forgot, Z39.50 is stateful
02:55 chris Feb 11 21:45:23 kohavm76 Koha Zebraqueue [15895]: {_conn} undefined: has this Connection been destroy()ed? at /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8/ZOOM.pm line 343.
02:55 kados so does that mean we could get away with simply checking for exception() ?
02:54 kados exception() returns the same information as error_x() in the form of a ZOOM::Exception object which may be thrown or rendered. If no error occurred on the connection, then exception() returns an undefined value.
02:54 kados die $conn->exception();
02:54 kados exception()
02:54 kados we should probably be testing the exception object if we aren't already
02:53 kados Checks whether an error is pending on the connection, and throw a ZOOM::Exception object if so. Since errors are thrown as they occur for synchronous connections, there is no need ever to call this except in asynchronous applications.
02:53 kados but ...
02:53 chris this would break under mod_perl too .. we dont see it with our cgi's cos they die and respawn
02:53 chris and we'll see if that fixes it
02:53 chris right ill add that
02:53 kados check() :-)
02:53 kados yep
02:53 kados http://search.cpan.org/irk/Net-Z3950-ZOOM/lib/ZOOM.pod#check()
02:52 chris i wonder if there is a way to check a connection is live
02:51 chris thats where it dies
02:51 chris $Zpackage->send("update");
02:51 chris my $Zconn=C4::Context->Zconn($server, 0, 1);
02:50 chris we arent destroying it
02:50 kados so it never resets
02:50 chris so it keeps handing back the timedout connection
02:50 kados huh
02:50 chris i think that is true, even tho the connection has timedout
02:49 chris return $context->{"Zconn"}->{$server};
02:49 chris if ( defined($context->{"Zconn"}->{$server}) ) {
02:49 chris i think this is wrong
02:49 chris but
02:49 chris yes
02:49 kados similar I mean
02:49 kados it's very simplar to the dbh sub
02:49 chris thats what it uses to connect
02:49 kados huh
02:47 chris i think its the Zconn sub in C4::Context
02:37 chris yep
02:37 kados could also checkout/checkin something I suppose
02:36 kados ahh, right
02:36 chris (so faster than adding somethign)
02:36 chris sticks a row in the zebraqueue
02:35 chris and choose update item
02:35 chris ttp://staff-nce.dev.kohalibrary.com/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/moredetail.pl?biblionumber=503
02:35 chris good trick is to just go to
02:33 chris time to fill the daemon up with debug statements :)
02:32 chris so its not getting back to the error handling in the daemon
02:32 chris it appears to be spanging out in the ZOOM module
02:32 kados what's up?
02:31 chris interesting
02:25 kados quantifiable_errors++
02:25 kados sweet
02:25 chris just kill zebra
02:25 chris at least i know how to consistently reproduce the error now
02:25 chris so ill track down why its not reconnecting
02:24 chris but then the queue daemon isnt reconnecting
02:24 chris yeah the daemon is doing its thing and restarting zebra
02:24 kados so there are two reasons: zebra's randomly dieing and the zebraqueue daemon can't reconnect when it does
02:24 chris we should be seeing that
02:24 chris Unix::Syslog::syslog LOG_ERR, "Attempting reconection";
02:24 chris for some reason
02:23 chris ok its not getting to the reconnect bit
02:23 kados huh ...
02:23 chris that did it
02:23 kados Harry Taught her about the sorcerer's stone
02:23 kados added
02:23 chris ok try that
02:21 kados I'll add another bib when you say the word
02:21 chris that oughta force it to have to reconnect
02:21 kados you can do that with the ctl script too
02:20 kados k
02:20 chris and then start it again
02:20 chris ok, lets stop zebra
02:20 chris hasnt lost connection yet
02:20 kados and it indexed fine this time
02:20 chris heh
02:20 kados :)
02:20 kados Harry Slaughter and the sorcerer's stone
02:20 kados added
02:19 chris ive added a message in the reconnect bit, to see if its attempting to reconnect
02:19 kados I"ll add another bib
02:19 chris right restarted
02:19 kados yea, it's indexed now
02:18 kados weird
02:18 chris even if you just restart it, it will reconnect fine
02:18 kados last time this happened I tried running the daemon from the command line as user nce and that seemed to work
02:17 kados *nod*
02:17 chris ah yep
02:16 chris just under bin/ ?
02:16 chris where are the init scripts to stop the daemon?
02:15 chris yeah
02:15 kados so maybe after a while it just givs up and markes it done?
02:14 chris ah yep i see lemme add some more debug and start the daemon again
02:13 chris same error in the syslog?
02:13 kados just added another bib and it's not getting indexed
02:12 kados ok, I'm able to reproduce this pretty easily
02:09 kados done=1
02:09 chris empty? or just done=1 ?
02:09 kados btw: root pwd for mysql is blank on that box
02:09 kados and zebraqueue is empty on nicole's install
02:09 kados that record wasn't ever indexed in zebra
02:09 kados http://opac-nce.dev.kohalibrary.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=503
02:08 chris ill go see if i can make it do it again
02:04 chris weird
02:04 chris at least once
02:03 chris it should be reconnecting
02:03 chris goto "reconnect";
02:03 chris $Zconn->destroy();
02:03 chris $Zpackage->destroy();
02:03 chris $recon=1;
02:03 chris sleep 1; ## wait a sec!
02:03 chris }elsif($error==10004 && $recon==0){##Lost connection -reconnect
02:02 kados it seems to have cleared out zebraqueue in nicole's install now
02:02 kados I dunno
02:01 chris is the operation waiting a delete?
02:00 kados that error basically fills up syslog
02:00 chris yeah whatever the problem is, the fix will need to be applied to the cron job too
02:00 kados no idea why it's not able to connect
02:00 kados chris: the socket's there
02:00 chris yep
02:00 kados ibliosocket") from diag-set 'ZOOM'
02:00 kados Feb 11 07:55:20 kohavm76 Koha Zebraqueue [6244]: ZOOM error 10004 "Connection lost" (addinfo: "unix:/home/nce/koha/var/run/zebradb/b
02:00 kados Feb 11 07:55:19 kohavm76 Koha Zebraqueue [6244]: Executing zebra operations
02:00 kados Feb 11 07:55:19 kohavm76 Koha Zebraqueue [6244]: 1 operations waiting to be run
21:14 atrus123 Ok, thanks again. It's bug 1833.
21:02 atrus123 i'll post it in just a few
21:02 chris thanks for testing :)
21:02 atrus123 ok, thanks all :-)
21:01 chris *snap*
21:00 chris basically all the detail you have said in here is good .. and if you wanted and the file is small you could add the file
21:00 gmcharlt atrus123: please include the file of MARC records (reduce to it at most 100 records or so if it's large)
21:00 atrus123 ok, will do. what sorts of information do you recommend I post there? i've never set up an OPAC before, and I have no experience with Koha.
20:59 chris odd, might be best to report it on bugzilla, then galen who wrote the importer can take a look
20:58 atrus123 they look like it... they show up fine in the "managed staged marc records" citation list.
20:56 chris and they are valid marc records?
20:56 atrus123 I also tried the bulkmarcimport tool, and I get this error: .ERROR: Adding biblio failed: Arguments must be MARC::Field object at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 2572
20:55 chris hmmm
20:55 atrus123 I'm trying to do a bulk marc import... I can get records into the reservoir, but when I try and complete the import, it just hangs.
20:53 atrus123 question about the new Koha alpha.. couldn't find the answer in bugzilla, so it may just be my setup
20:53 chris hi atrus123
20:52 atrus123 hi all
19:36 MatthewMetzger Yes. I just checked YAML::Syck 1.01 is the most recent version.
19:33 MatthewMetzger cpan should be giving me the latest stable version, right?
19:33 MatthewMetzger YAML::Syck is up to date (1.01).
19:31 MatthewMetzger gmcharlt: thanks. It must be that Koha can't see my installed YAML::Syck module
19:30 MatthewMetzger I tried it with both mysql and tmp and got the same behavior
19:30 MatthewMetzger I believe I changed that setting to "tmp"
19:30 gmcharlt MatthewMetzger: I don't think the database issues should affect it, unless you don't have a sessions table
19:28 MatthewMetzger hmm... (thinking out loud) France has gone to sleep or at least home ... I wonder when New Zealand wakes up ...
19:20 MatthewMetzger Hello paul_
19:18 MatthewMetzger http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1820
19:18 MatthewMetzger gmcharlt: could it possibly be a result of the database irregularities that you saw on Friday?
19:17 MatthewMetzger I'm not sure why these modules are not being recognized, as I painstakingly made sure that all of the modules required by koha 3 where installed and up to date.
19:16 MatthewMetzger paul: good evening. I ran cpan and force installed YAML::Syck, but the about.pl page in Koha still says that the module is not installed.
19:15 MatthewMetzger I'm back from testing some things.
17:22 insanekane paul_: just saw your email re UNicode problems in MARC :)
17:08 insanekane :)
17:04 paul nope, that's RMS !
17:03 insanekane heh, thats almost dumb :)
17:03 paul insanekane: everything OFF (no cookies, not javascript...)
17:03 owen http://lwn.net/Articles/262570/
17:03 insanekane owen: whats the RMS web browsing method ?
17:02 paul so another one will help you ;-)
17:01 MatthewMetzger paul: thanks. It will probably be about two hours or more as I've got lunch here in the states (and other work).
16:56 paul MatthewMetzger: if "few" means more than 2 hours, i'll be away, as it's almost 6PM here in France
16:54 MatthewMetzger I'll let you all know if I get this issue resolved. I'll check back in on this channel in a few hours.
16:54 paul try YAML::Syck first
16:53 MatthewMetzger paul: thanks so much for your help. I really appreciate it!
16:53 MatthewMetzger okay. Also, my CGI::Session is 4.13 instead of 4.20. Odd as I worked really hard to get all these modules to their latest version. I'll give it another go.
16:52 paul YAML::Syck is the culprit in your problem
16:52 MatthewMetzger The most noticeable thing is that XML::LibXSLT and YAML::Syck say "module is missing. I'll check the version numbers of the others.
16:51 MatthewMetzger paul: thanks for the URL, I'll looking at it right now (my local install).
16:49 paul http://i15.bureau.paulpoulain.com/cgi-bin/koha/about.pl (login abel / abel)
16:49 paul and DBD::mysql 4.005
16:49 paul For me : CGI::Session 4.20
16:48 paul MatthewMetzger: cgi-bin/koha/about.pl is the quickest way to check
16:48 MatthewMetzger paul, I'll check CGI::Session
16:48 paul (should be mysql)
16:47 paul what contains "SessionStorage" ?
16:47 paul MatthewMetzger: cgi-bin/koha/admin/systempreferences.pl?tab=Admin
16:46 MatthewMetzger paul: Pretty sure. The installer said they were and I worked for about two days updating the perl modules
16:46 owen Oh, sorry, I misread
16:46 paul one of the thing that could explain that problem could be a CGI::Session not uptodate (or DBD::Mysql, don't remember which)
16:46 owen MatthewMetzger: Your browser doesn't support cookies?
16:45 paul MatthewMetzger: are you sure your Perl packages are up2date ?
16:39 MatthewMetzger My browser does support cookies.
16:38 MatthewMetzger The most noticeable is that the admin web interface forces me to re-login every time I click a link within it.
16:37 MatthewMetzger I'm having quite a few *smallish* issues that are keeping me from getting 3.0 up and running.
16:36 MatthewMetzger Maybe something went wrong with my installer, I don't think I got to that question.
16:36 paul it's the last question : Zebra or NoZebra
16:35 MatthewMetzger paul: I just did the installer (on Friday) and I don't remember it being mentioned on the web part.
16:35 MatthewMetzger I am still experiencing some problems with my upgrade from 2.2.9 to 3.0. bug #1820. gmcharlt was helping me out on Friday of last week.
16:34 paul however, during setup, the web part of the installer ask you and explain those two options.
16:33 paul i've written some pages, probably on the wiki, but not sure, sorry
16:33 MatthewMetzger paul: okay, thanks.
16:33 paul i'm not sure there's something on the wiki about that, but you should investigate
16:33 MatthewMetzger paul: that's good to know. Is there a documented explanation of these options? If yes, I can find it.
16:31 paul large = more than something like 100 000 documents
16:31 paul if the size is large, you must use Koha Zebra, and the setup is much more complex (although not a problem for a linux/unix sysadm)
16:31 paul insanekane: I asked about the size or your library because if it's small, you can use "NoZebra", and the setup is exactly like 2.2
16:30 gmcharlt fbcit: I try to cover all possibilities :)
16:30 fbcit gmcharlt: hehe... next few databases may be accurate as well... ;-)
16:23 gmcharlt no problem
16:23 insanekane thanks a lot gmcharit
16:23 insanekane :)
16:23 gmcharlt ack, yes, "days"
16:23 insanekane gmcharlt: you mean days right ? instead of database ?
16:22 gmcharlt insanekane: a beta of Koha 3 will be released in the next few database; the stable, general release should happen in March AFAIK
16:18 insanekane but i would like to know whether to develop some kind of system where the data entry can happen now, and migration to koha 3.0 can happen when it is released as stable version
16:18 insanekane i know thats a stupid question ...
16:17 insanekane paul: is there some indication of when koha 3.0 will become stable ? like some roadmap etc ?
16:17 insanekane oho ok matthew
16:17 MatthewMetzger I've been having some problem with a migration from 2.2.9 to 3.0. It is still not working yet, but I'm close.
16:17 insanekane paul: actually, im dont know much about the size of the libraries, since my librarian friend didnt tell me about it
16:16 insanekane yeah, but the problem is im scared that once we install 3.0, then we have to update it regularly to keep with the bug fixes
16:16 paul (which size is your library -in items- ) ?
16:15 paul if you succeded to install 2.2, you should succeed to install 3.0
16:15 insanekane so its not as easy as 2.2.9
16:15 insanekane hmm
16:15 insanekane paul: does it require a lot of effort/handholding/knowledge of koha to get 3.0 running ?
16:15 paul but if you install it in production, be ready to have to update frequently (and usually painlessly)
16:14 paul it's officially unstable, but in production in some sites
16:14 insanekane hmm .. and koha 3.0 is currently unstable ?
16:14 paul in Koha 2.2.9, poorly (and unsupported officially)
16:14 insanekane paul: i have something like this in biblio table column title "ക്ക്ര"
16:13 paul in Koha 3.0, yes.
16:13 insanekane paul: does unicode work in koha properly ?
16:11 paul (or more complete : SELECT * FROM biblio LEFT JOIN biblioitems USING(biblionumber)
16:10 insanekane let me try that
16:10 insanekane oho ok
16:10 paul so, if you want the complete catalogue, you can always do a "SELECT * FROM biblio" to get everything
16:09 insanekane but i was investigating koha for a librarian friend of mine
16:09 insanekane paul: actually, im a programmer ... not a librarian
16:08 paul those queries returning as many results as you want. So being able to return the complete catalogue
16:08 MatthewMetzger bugs.koha.org is now up for me, but was down just an hour ago. Looks like DNS is doing its magic.
16:07 paul where you can create custom queries (with SQL if you know that, but you can use a wizard otherwise)
16:07 paul it will be yes in 3.0
16:07 paul the answer is no then.
16:06 insanekane 2.2.9
16:05 insanekane hi paul
16:05 paul which version are you using ?
16:05 paul hello insanekane.
16:05 insanekane hi matthew ... is there some way to get the catalog to return all entries ?
16:04 MatthewMetzger hello insanekane
16:01 insanekane hi ... anyone around ?
15:02 nengard got plenty of other things to learn
15:02 nengard i'll wait
15:02 nengard k
15:01 owen Working for me
15:01 atz DNS is distributed, so it might work for one ISP and not another
15:00 nengard bugs.koha.org still not up
15:00 nengard hmmm
15:00 nengard should i submit my bug report now?
14:57 sorosj w00t
14:57 paul (3 in fact)
14:57 paul koha.org is back... (git rss updated with 4 commits)
14:55 atz the states are adjacent, but she's on the other side of PA, still about 7+ hours of driving to get there (through the mountains)
14:54 paul close to OH...
14:53 paul thx wikipedia, now I know ;-)
14:47 nengard Pennsylvania
14:47 nengard I'm in the US in PA
14:26 paul nengard: where are you located geographically ?
14:20 sorosj hi Galen, thanks
14:19 gmcharlt sorosj: and gmcharlt == Galen Charlton
14:19 paul sorosj: gmcharlt is a LibLime Koha developer
14:19 nengard thanks :)
14:18 gmcharlt nengard: beautiful puppies
14:18 gmcharlt hi sorosj, and welcome
14:18 nengard gotta love digital cameras and flickr :)
14:17 nengard I have 2 babies - but they're puppies :) and very happy to have mom at home after a week away: http://flickr.com/photos/nengard/sets/72157603415365540/
14:16 paul s/I/we (wife & I)/
14:16 paul (+everybody here knows I have 4 boys, from 12 years to 12 ... months)
14:15 nengard Congrats!
14:15 nengard so i added them recently
14:15 nengard i signed up for flickr years after the wedding, but wanted to make sure my wedding pics were there
14:14 paul ah, ok.
14:14 paul (the 5 1st photos are your wedding cerem)
14:14 nengard 3.5 years
14:14 paul recently married ?
14:13 nengard and my pictures are at: http://flickr.com/photos/nengard/sets/72157594341238511/
14:13 paul (also note i'll meet hdl at code4lib at the end of this month)
14:11 paul if you want to see a photo from us to really "see" who we are : http://www.biblibre.com/node/9
14:10 hdl yes I am
14:10 paul hdl is around I think.
14:10 nengard thanks paul!!! I've heard all of your names before - so nice to "meet" everyone
14:09 paul (welcome from "French koha-team")
14:08 paul hello nengard/Nicole & welcome on this international chat
14:08 nengard it's a shame
14:07 nengard i know
14:07 owen Yeah, seems like just about everyone is
14:07 nengard :(
14:07 nengard and still sick
14:07 nengard yes
14:07 owen Are you back home after your Liblime initiation?
14:06 owen Hi nengard, welcome to the world of Koha
14:06 nengard owen: I was supposed to look out for you for some reason ... goes back to notes to check
14:05 nengard hi all
14:05 owen Shoot, I guess no Bugzilla today then?
14:01 sorosj nice to meet y'all
14:00 paul sorosj: owen is our graphic designer, from NPL, Nelsonville Public Library
14:00 sorosj hey owen
14:00 paul hi owen
14:00 owen Hi paul, kados, sorosj
13:59 paul french "président" = something like CEO for you I think
13:58 paul (it's "directeur" that can be a title shared by some ppl)
13:58 kados VP aren't always bosses either
13:58 paul (in french companies, President is always a single person)
13:58 paul I always forget that LL has some Presidents and Vice-President
13:57 kados s/the boss/one of the bosses/ :-)
13:57 paul sorosj: kados is the boss of LibLime the US company working on Koha. his true name is Joshua.
13:57 sorosj thanks
13:56 kados hi sorosj , welcome to #koha
13:56 paul s/met/meet/
13:55 paul I introduce sorosj: he's a developer that apply to work for BibLibre (as we are recruiting ;-) ), and he is recommended by toins. I met him tomorrow morning.
13:54 sorosj hi
13:52 kados apologies for the outage :/
13:51 toins hi kados
13:51 kados update on DNS probs: I have purchased a for-pay service from aplus.net and transfered the zonefile there for koha.org
13:51 hdl hi kados.
13:51 paul hello kados
13:51 kados mornin #koha
13:18 kados zoneedit--
13:15 gmcharlt martinmorris: I've been working on authorities -- how recent is your Koha 3 install package -- is it the alpha tarball or from a recent git pull?
13:14 paul gmcharlt-away: thx
13:10 gmcharlt-away paul: yes -- kados is working on fixing DNS for koha.org -- service currently using went down, apparently
13:09 paul hello world. you already know it probably, but all koha.org sites are unreachable...