Time  Nick     Message
13:23 kados    paul/hdl reply to your email :-)
13:23 kados    g'morning all
13:36 kados    hey owen
13:51 owen     Sorry, kados, I was just getting my ear chewed off by a cataloger ;)
14:06 gmcharlt greetings #koha
14:31 paul     hello kados, owen & gmcharlt
14:32 owen     Hi paul
14:32 gmcharlt hi paul
15:57 atz      "I, for one, welcome our new CGI leaders...."
16:17 atz      owen: i'm guessing that was all the ppl who wanted to test ahead of time that they could get on channel
16:17 atz      or rather, one person
16:18 owen     IRC is a big scary world
16:18 atz      not sure how to interpret the ~465b7561@
16:20 fbcit    hello koha
16:26 gmcharlt hi fbcit
16:55 fbcit    is anyone familiar with C4::Labels::draw_boundaries ?
17:15 owen     is anyone familiar with how I can erase all copies of Internet Explorer 6 from existence?
17:15 paul     owen : just install linux :-D
17:15 atz      format c:
17:15 owen     That might help me, but I want everyone else's gone too!
17:16 atz      hah... nice.  www.getfirefox.com  is as close as I can get, there.
17:17 gmcharlt owen: first, find a helpful ninja
17:17 gmcharlt owen: then find lots of cash :)
17:18 owen     I guess debugging my CSS and JS in IE will be cheaper in the long run
17:37 fbcit    IE == Idiot's Elysium
17:59 atz      that's the same CGI  IP, methinks
18:00 atz      :q
18:23 glh      Just checking  bye
19:28 [K]      *** join #koha@FreeNode: dbs n=dan@pdpc/supporter/active/denials
19:29 chris    hey dan
19:29 [K]      <dbs@FreeNode> long time no visit :)
20:14 chris    hey rosa
20:17 Rosa     Hi chris
20:21 fbcit    is the Label code new to Koha 3?
20:23 chris    its in dev_week
20:24 fbcit    chris: do you know if anyone is using it to print barcode labels on Avery 5160 labels?
20:25 chris    good question, off the top of my head, no i dont know
20:25 fbcit    or is it in production use at all?
20:25 chris    yes, i know Opus here in nz print labels
20:25 chris    i think some libraries in the US use it too, ryan would know
20:27 fbcit    I had some problems with creep and it seems that Avery's published template dimensions are to blame
20:27 fbcit    I'd love to talk with someone who is using it in production to compare notes
20:32 fbcit    ryan appears to be ryan_ right now :)
20:32 chris    yup
20:33 nengard  hi
20:33 chris    hey nicole
20:33 chris    rosa: have you met nicole? she is a prolific and respected blogger, a librarian, now an open source evangelist, and all round nice person
20:34 nengard  wow
20:34 nengard  what a nice intro
20:34 chris    rosa is the head librarian at HLT and the main reason Koha exists
20:34 nengard  hi rosa
20:34 thd`     gmcharlt: I sent you an email with a link to an archive documenting the installation bug I have been experiencing
20:34 chris    who may in fact now have wandered away from the keyboard to run her library :-)
20:35 nengard  k
20:35 chris    but she'll read back ;)
20:35 chris    hey thd
20:35 nengard  well - anyone can contact me via my info on http://web2learning.net
20:36 gmcharlt thd: got it; I'll review it
20:47 Rosa     hi nengard. yep I wandered off, not to run my library, but to have a grand morning tea to farwell three of my student assistants
20:48 nengard  sounds fun
20:51 Rosa     Where do you come from, nicole?
20:51 nengard  Philadelphia, PA, USA
20:52 nengard  well - a bit north of there
20:52 nengard  but close enough
21:09 thd      chris: can I buy some sleep from you?
21:09 chris    heh
21:09 chris    not getting much myself
21:09 nengard  i could use more too
21:09 chris    Kahurangi has 4 molars coming in
21:09 nengard  ahhhh
21:10 nengard  :(
21:13 chris    ouch
21:16 owen     I guess molars are going around, mine's gettin' 'em too
21:16 chris    fbcit: http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=10929
21:17 chris    thats a recent photo of my son, you have one of your daughter?
21:17 chris    owen: not a lot of fun eh?
21:17 chris    i guess you have had practice before tho eh :-)
21:18 fbcit    chris: he's a fine looking young man
21:18 owen     Not too bad, it's really the combination of that and the cold that is causing the trouble
21:18 chris    ahh yeah, lucky for us its nice and warm, so if his teeth wake him up, he can sometimes go back to sleep
21:18 fbcit    chris: I don't have one online, I'll get one scanned up where you can see
21:18 chris    cool :)
21:19 chris    we could have a koha kids club :)
21:19 fbcit    :-)
21:20 fbcit    owen: my daughter has had a cold on top of teething this past week or so
21:20 gmcharlt chris: and resurrect blobby-man for the kids club? :)
21:21 chris    hehe good idea
21:22 chris    i have a blobby man tshirt
21:22 chris    http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=10222
21:23 owen     Speaking of children, I'd better head out to get mine...
21:23 chris    cya owen
21:28 gmcharlt thd: I've retrieved your install directory and logs in case you need to reclaim the space
21:42 thd      gmcharlt: I do not need to regain the space.  My remote server has more unused space than my local machine which needs a new hard drive :)
21:44 thd      gmcharlt: maybe I can reward my local machine with a new hard drve if koha will install without that error.  I could even reward myself.
21:44 gmcharlt thd: I shall endeavor to help give you an excuse to reward your computer ;-)
21:46 thd      gmcharlt: if you look at the archive file times, you should see that I spent all night on this again.  I need to reward myself with some more sleep sometime ;)
21:46 atz      I'll sell you some, cheap.
21:46 gmcharlt thd: I got a checkinstall error; I'm now in the process of setting up a completely clean Debian Etch VM to do more testing
21:47 gmcharlt atz: if only it worked that way :(
21:47 thd      gmcharlt did you have a different checkinstall error from me?
21:47 atz      gmcharlt: just try it.  paypal me teh monies$$$
21:48 gmcharlt thd: yes, it died when set_koha_permissions was attempting chown
21:48 gmcharlt thd: but I need to start fresh so that I'm not attempting a checkinstall onto a VM that already has a default koha install on it
21:49 gmcharlt thd: attempting chmod, rather
21:49 thd      gmcharlt: I repoted that rror yesterday if I manually created /etc/koha in advance
21:50 gmcharlt thd: yeah, but /etc/koha had already existed on my VM
21:50 thd      gmcharlt: However, I think that if you look at the line before you ill find that he first error is still the same about ./etc/koha/README.txt
21:51 thd      atz: are you selling sleep? :0
21:51 gmcharlt thd: could be, but logs are now gone -- hence I'm starting from scratch and will be logging it properly this time
21:52 atz      thd: yeah, but dreams cost extra.
21:52 thd      gmcharlt: my logs are perfectly complete for every step so if I did anything silly screenlog recorded it
21:53 gmcharlt tbd: yep, but I'll be needing to revert to a VM snapshot repeatedly as a I (hopefully) find the fixes for Makefile.PL and/or checkinstall
21:54 atz      this is a textbook case for VMs
21:54 thd      gmcharlt what VM application have you been using?
21:54 gmcharlt Mac Parallels
21:55 thd      I gues that does not work on non-macs
21:56 atz      thd: actually, VMware Converter claims to be able to import parallels images
21:56 atz      to be clear, parallels claims to be able to import VMware images, but failed in my experience
21:56 atz      haven't yet tested the former case
21:58 chris    use the xen :)
21:58 atz      or solaris virtualization, supposedly the performance king of the group (on sparc, of course)
21:59 atz      chris: i'd like to get more into xen
21:59 thd      I need a machine that can run a virtual machine without consuming all available resources
21:59 atz      thd: are you running VMs "headless"?
22:00 thd      atz: well I am not running any at the moment
22:00 atz      the video reprocessing of the desktop is by far the greatest CPU burden
22:00 chris    atz: its actually pretty easy with debian,there are some neat tools
22:00 atz      so if you just run the VM and connect to it via terminal
22:00 atz      you get better performance
22:01 thd      atz: I do not have enough RAM or CPU for my system without running any VM
22:01 thd      atz: I also run out of swap space on many nights while running cron jobs
22:01 atz      thd: ah, yeah, not much to do in that case...
22:02 thd      atz: I need to find some money so I can by more sleep and more hardware
22:03 thd      atz: which is difficult to do when lack of sleep pursuing money keeps leaving me sick for a week
22:03 atz      :(
22:04 atz      are you going to code4libcon in Portland?
22:05 thd      However, I refuse to sell out to working on non-free software :)
22:05 chris    :-)
22:06 thd      atz: no, ask them to hold it in New York City and I will attend ;)
22:06 gmcharlt thd: know anybody at NYU, CCNY, etc. who might be willing to put out a bid to host?
22:07 atz      we have some clients there....
22:07 chris    how bout the guggenheim :-)
22:07 atz      I think OCLC and Kent St. should team up and host in Columbus.  :)
22:08 thd      gmcharlt: I know quite a few people at NYU but not ones who want to bother with organising a conference
22:10 thd      gmcharlt: ther is one possibilty at CCNY who might be willing to do the work if I can find her contact information.
22:10 thd      s/ther/there/
00:24 gmcharlt thd: I've made progress on the checkinstall issue
00:24 gmcharlt thd: was able to do a checkinstall, then install the resulting .deb
00:25 gmcharlt thd: after modifying checkinstall to only list regular files (as opposed to also the directories) from /etc in the package's conffile
01:05 thd      gmcharlt: is that merely a command option?
01:05 gmcharlt no, I had to patch checkinstall itself
01:05 thd      gmcharlt: that is the same issue that the Koha installer had been having with globbing
01:06 chris    hi rachel
01:06 thd      gmcharlt: how do I obtain your patched version of checkinstall?
01:07 thd      hello rachel
01:07 gmcharlt thd: I can email you a patch
01:07 thd      gmcharlt: horray, email away
01:13 gmcharlt thd: email sent
01:15 thd      gmcharlt: which address did you send the message?  I have many :)
01:15 gmcharlt the koha@xxx one -- same one you emailed me from last
01:17 thd      odd, I have no new messages there
01:18 thd      gmcharlt: can you confirm that you typed koha AT agogme.com correctly?
01:18 gmcharlt thd: I can confirm I copied and paste it correctly :)
01:19 gmcharlt thd: I can try sending to another address if you wish
01:21 thd      gmcharlt: I have it now at least in my forwarded unified mail reading account
01:24 thd      gmcharlt: reading your message, is dpkg is happy to parse directories everywhere else but not for configfiles?
01:26 gmcharlt thd: as far as I can tell from the dpkg format, the non-config files are basically in an ar archive, so there isn't a manifest as such -- it's only conffiles where there's a separate manifest that dpkg checks (as part of implementing the Debian policy about not scribbling over admin changes to config files during a package upgrade)
08:21 paul     chris : a small patch to validate in your mailbox
08:21 paul     (hello)
08:22 chris    hey paul
08:22 chris    ill take a look now