Time  Nick     Message
08:36 chris    Vice President
08:33 paul     what means VP ?
08:33 paul     a last quetsion : "Marc Roberson Joins LibLime As VP, Library Partners"
08:33 paul     thanks
08:33 paul     ok, i'll investigate this (or SAN will)
08:32 chris    i think so, but not 100% sure
08:32 paul     so your opinion is that flags in the database are set properly and the bugs are in the code handling the workflow ?
08:29 chris    they should see they need to send it to the branch the borrower wants it from
08:28 chris    yeah the reserve reports arent working properly i dont think
08:28 paul     but the branch where the item is must see it i npending reserves (which is not the case iirc)
08:28 chris    and is put on the reserves shelf (or whereever the librarian puts reserved books to be picked up)
08:27 chris    until it is checked in at the branch the user reserved it at
08:27 paul     in our test case ,it's on the shelves of another branch.
08:27 chris    so in that case it shouldnt show waiting
08:27 paul     right.
08:27 paul     the user reserve an item that is in the shelves.
08:27 chris    yep so it was on the shelf
08:26 paul     but we tested the case where the item was not on issue
08:25 chris    0 or 1 it doesnt really matter, lowest priority is the first one to be filled when the item is returned
08:24 paul     atm, if you reserve a given item, the priority is set to 1 even if there is no other reserve. Shouldn't it be set to 0 ?
08:23 chris    even though f=null
08:23 paul     so line 72 is wrong
08:23 chris    I=filled .. it must be waiting
08:23 chris    there was some code that was going
08:23 chris    if f=w its waiting
08:22 chris    yep
08:22 paul     P =0, F=W,    I=filled
08:22 chris    it should only show as waiting if found='w'
08:22 paul     and what makes them show as waiting ?
08:22 chris    otherwise patrons see its waiting and go to the desk to get it, and then the librarian cant find it
08:21 chris    yes i agree with that, as long as items dont show as waiting, when they are still on the shelf, or being transferred
08:18 chris    lemme check
08:18 paul     do you agree with the doc at C4::Reserves.pm, line 48+
08:17 chris    yep, the problem is they cant agree :-)
08:17 chris    i worked on fixing that
08:17 chris    because the code wasnt checking for 'w' but was just seeing the itemnumber
08:16 chris    there was some problems with items showing as waiting as soon as they were reserved
08:16 paul     ?
08:16 paul     do you have an idea where it comes from
08:16 paul     do you have the same problem ?
08:15 paul     seems you removed some code recently (some "priority==0" have been removed)
08:15 chris    yep
08:15 paul     (when you reserve a given item)
08:15 paul     we (SAN & me) have tested reserves on OPAC and something is going wrong with them.
08:14 paul     2nd question is about reserves on OPAC.
08:14 paul     right. I realised my mistake just after sending the 1st wrong patch.
08:14 chris    *nod*
08:14 paul     s/fr_FR/fr-FR/
08:14 chris    yep i pushed it up to joshua .. originally you had one from FR_fr that didnt get approved, but the fr_FR should be fine, ill check with joshua
08:13 paul     he seems not to have been approved yet. Do you know why ?
08:13 paul     1st question : i've submitted a patch called "moving fr installer to fr_FR"
08:13 paul     thanks.
08:12 chris    sure do
08:12 paul     i've 2 questions for you, do you have a few minuts ?
08:12 paul     hello chris.
08:12 chris    hi paul
08:11 paul     chris around ?
01:50 gmcharlt thd++ for working on Debian package
01:50 gmcharlt thd: I'll leaving my computer now, but will check tomorrow morning -- good night
01:36 thd      and rerun the process with that
01:36 thd      to make certain we are fuly synchrosised I will grab the very latest copy from git now
01:35 gmcharlt thd: correct -- at least, I didn't get any errors during make test when I tested half an hour ago
01:34 thd      ?
01:34 thd      gmcharlt: however, you are claiming I should have no errors from make test even before running checkinstall
01:33 thd      at list I will have a debian package out of it
01:33 gmcharlt thd: ok
01:33 thd      I will remove the manually created /etc/koha and test with checkinstall again
01:32 thd      I did not even notice that was still the error
01:32 thd      gmcharlt: I had and have created /etc/koha manually so what is there to complain about?
01:31 thd      Cleaning up...OK
01:31 thd      ****  Installation failed. Aborting package creation.
01:31 thd      make: *** [set_koha_ownership] Error 1
01:31 thd      Bye.
01:31 thd      chown: `/etc/koha': No such file or directory
01:31 thd      Installing /usr/share/koha/man/man3/serials::member-search.3pm
01:31 thd      Installing /usr/share/koha/man/man3/cataloguing::value_builder::unimarc_field_115b.3pm
01:31 thd      I have the following from the end of the process still visible
01:30 thd      gmcharlt: I see why the debian package was not created last time I ran checkinstall
01:18 gmcharlt thd: one moment, I'll set up you
01:17 thd      gmcharlt do have some place I can send it via ftp?
01:17 gmcharlt yes, please
01:16 thd      would you like to see that?
01:16 thd      gmcharlt: I built a debian package with checkinstall
01:16 gmcharlt thd: wilde guess -- perhaps a non-GNU make in your path -- does make -v return "GNU Make 3.81"?
01:15 gmcharlt thd: yeah, I'm not seeing a direct reference to ./etc/koha -- KOHA_CONF_DIR = /etc/koha as expected
01:14 thd      gmcharlt: I had looked at the Makefile previously and did not identify the problems reported
01:13 thd      gmcharlt: http://pastebin.com/m6bb41b07
01:09 gmcharlt hmm, make test works for me, no errors during sudo make install
01:05 gmcharlt thd: I'm also trying an install from the current git head on a Debian VM now
00:58 gmcharlt thd: just checked -- looks like it will work
00:57 thd      I am logged in reotely at the moment.  Does pastbin work with lynx?
00:55 gmcharlt to avoid flooding the channel with many lines of code or the like
00:55 gmcharlt thd: http://pastebin.com/ -- paste in stuff, it spits back a URL that you post in the IRC channel
00:55 thd      when I last updated
00:55 thd      gmcharlt: well it was not working two days ago
00:54 gmcharlt thd: yes, it should work from either the git directory or the expand tarball
00:54 thd      what is pastebin
00:54 thd      gmcharlt: is make test supposed to work from the git directory?
00:53 gmcharlt thd: /etc/koha itself is the default for a 'standard' mode install -- not sure sure where the leading '.' is coming from
00:52 thd      also I have failed to mention that most make tests failed because make test did not know where to find the C4 directory so it could not find the correct Perl modules for Koha which necessarily had not been installed yet
00:52 gmcharlt thd: if you have still have the Makefile, could you send me or pastebin the results of 'grep ^export Makefile'?
00:51 thd      I repeated the whole process many times with the same errors
00:51 gmcharlt thd: I believe you :)
00:51 thd      I can assure that standard was selected as my install method
00:50 thd      gmcharlt: that seems like something for the limited access web install
00:49 thd      gmcharlt: why ./etc/koha?
00:49 gmcharlt yeah, that is odd
00:49 thd      I should have clarified the complaint was about ./etc/koha which I found odd
00:49 gmcharlt thd: the specific IDs shouldn't matter -- right now set_koha_ownership just uses chown
00:48 gmcharlt thd: so if I understand, you were doing a standard mode install but making the some/all of the target directories be relative to the current directory? (hence ./etc/koha instead of /etc/koha?)
00:48 thd      the user and group my not have identical IDs for the user and group
00:47 thd      gmcharlt: user koha and group koha exist and koha is a member of koha
00:46 thd      gmcharlt make install was done as sudo
00:46 thd      I created /etc/koha manually and that errror went away
00:46 thd      installation complained that it could not put any files in ./etc/koha because /etc/koha does not exist no such file or directory
00:44 gmcharlt are being set to, rather
00:44 thd      gmcharlt: I should say that I had an earlier error which I corrected manually
00:44 gmcharlt thd: couple possibilities, then -- first, make install must be done as root or sudo, and target user whose ownership the files are being set up must have exist before you do the make install
00:43 thd      gmcharlt: I want my own special symlinks for development
00:43 thd      gmcharlt: yes standard
00:42 gmcharlt thd: standard or single-mode install, I assume?
00:40 thd      gmcharlt: this is on Debian etch
00:40 thd      my last error message which aborted the installation was set_koha_owner Error 1
00:40 gmcharlt what platform?
00:39 thd      gmcharlt: I am having som problems with the installer
00:39 gmcharlt thd: go ahead
00:38 thd      gmcharlt: maybe I should ask you my question
00:38 gmcharlt thd: kados was on #koha earlier today -- dunno if he'll be conversing later tonight or not
00:36 thd      seen kados?
18:46 nengard  hi
18:46 chris    hey nicole
18:11 Deb      cheers all!
18:11 Deb      I'll read the wikipedia info on IRC etiquette too.
18:11 Deb      Thank you all for your time.
18:11 Deb      So, look for an email and  a proposed agenda along with a time to meet.  I hope you respond.
18:10 Deb      Thanks Galen--your crack me up!
18:10 Deb      I'll send an email to all Koha users I know about and let them know about the use of this channel
18:10 gmcharlt Deb++
18:10 gmcharlt also way of signalling agreement or kudos
18:10 gmcharlt it's called karma; it's a way of signaling approval (free_beer++) or not (stealing_candy_from_babies--)
18:09 Deb      ok, I'm gonna leave you all to your hard work and I have mine too.
18:09 Deb      tnx owen
18:09 Deb      what does ++ mean?
18:09 owen     https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/16
18:08 gmcharlt firefox++
18:08 Deb      oh, I'm not on an IRC client, but I could dl chatzilla.  I love ff
18:08 owen     Yeah, I don't suppose the web interface does it
18:08 owen     I use Chatzilla, an extension for Firefox
18:08 gmcharlt the web interface may not do it, but most stand-alone IRC clients can do it
18:08 Deb      ARe there instructions I should read? I just followed the links and started typing.
18:08 owen     It's probably different for each IRC client
18:07 Deb      Anyway, how come I don't get beeped from the IRC?  Do I need to do something?
18:07 Deb      they did.  I don't know that the same is true for III, being one of the people who is very vocal.
18:06 gmcharlt Deb: yeah; it's my understanding that back in the day the Dynix user community was pretty vocal, and actually got listened to
18:06 Deb      And I'm committed (perhaps committable also ;-)
18:05 Deb      I know this works and am anxious to have KUDOS do the same for Koha.  It really works.  I've seen it in action.
18:05 Deb      fyi: i got an email from someone who stated the CODI (Dynix user group) actually helped guide the development of the ILS
18:04 owen     It's common to use someone's nick if only so that their IRC client beeps at them when someone says their name
18:04 Deb      i have no problem using my real name.  Most people figure it's me as you did.  Thanks for allowing me to use your name.
18:03 gmcharlt others may feel differently about use of nick vs. real name, but I don't think it's much of an issue for most of the regulars on #koha
18:02 gmcharlt Deb: OK with me
18:02 Deb      is it appropriate for me to call your 'galen'?  I didn't read the irc ettiquette
18:01 Deb      great galen
18:01 Deb      there are some things to discuss.
18:01 gmcharlt Deb: yeah, it would be easy to set it up to easy the same web IRC interface
18:01 Deb      don't stop now owen.
18:01 owen     Deb, I don't personally feel the need for a meeting, I just didn't think we should spend too much time dithering about it
18:00 Deb      If we needed that, would it be the same as logging in here?
18:00 gmcharlt should have said, *if* the community finds it too distracting
18:00 Deb      Galen, that'd be great!
18:00 gmcharlt and if later on, the community finds it too distracting, it is very easy to create a #koha-devel or #kudos
18:00 Deb      Did I read you correctly?
18:00 atz      owen: yeah, or #koha-curmudgeons
18:00 Deb      I think some would like a meeting immediately--Owen you're one of them.
17:59 Deb      ok then I'll send out an email stating that we can use this channel effective immediately, ok?
17:59 Deb      perhaps 20
17:59 gmcharlt that would be great, actually, to have that many
17:59 owen     If the developers don't like it, they can always create a #koha-devel
17:59 Deb      well, that's dreamin'
17:59 Deb      ok, but there could be up to 50 people
17:58 atz      lol ^^  well said, owen
17:58 owen     No one is going to get mad at you for talking about Koha in #koha
17:58 atz      use this channel
17:58 Deb      ?
17:58 Deb      do what atz
17:58 gmcharlt Deb: IRC actually lends itself to a fair degree of intermingled conversations, so I wouldn't worry about it
17:58 Deb      oh good, it's not the cadence or the word choices then
17:58 atz      Deb: you should do it.
17:58 gmcharlt Deb: the topic of course
17:57 owen     Well, you did say you had just sent me an email :)
17:57 Deb      what gives me away?
17:57 Deb      would we collide?
17:57 gmcharlt Deb: (figured it was you :) ) -- #koha isn't just for developers, it's also a support channel
17:57 owen     Hi Deb, I thought that must be you. Sorry, I just got back to my computer after being pulled away
17:57 Deb      say after 3pm?
17:57 Deb      Would having a meeting later in the day be problematic?
17:56 atz      type:  /nick  YourName
17:56 gmcharlt CGI838: sounds OK to me as well
17:56 CGI838   Oh, and how do I change my name so you can see who I am?
17:56 atz      i don't set policy, but it makes sense to me
17:55 CGI838   Just testing the waters.
17:55 CGI838   Don't need an answer immediately.
17:55 CGI838   How would that go over with all of you developers?
17:55 CGI838   Some of the Koha User Group members would like to use this channel for meetings
17:55 atz      CGI838: it varies, but overall traffic is pretty light
17:54 CGI838   Question:  is there a time when this channel is not used much?
16:45 gmcharlt you're welcome
16:42 fbcit    tnx for the help
16:42 fbcit    I got the script working using Firebug
16:41 fbcit    heh
16:41 gmcharlt fbcit: yep; really, the only thing Java and Javascript have in common are the four letters j-a-v-a
16:40 fbcit    FWIW, it turns out that javascript does not require declaration of vars and once used vars are global to the script...
16:25 fbcit    I'm trying to do some mods to barcode.pl
16:25 gmcharlt fbcit: the Firebug FF plugin is useful
16:25 fbcit    Javascript...
16:24 gmcharlt fbcit: java inside HTML (as opposed to Javascript?)
16:24 fbcit    gmcharlt: is there a quick & easy way to debug java inside hmtl?
16:21 fbcit    k
16:21 gmcharlt so in your code, fnum would have to be declared before the first loop
16:19 gmcharlt no, I think if you declare inside a loop, it's scope ls limited to the loop block
16:19 fbcit    here's the code: http://privatepaste.com/e2RidHdIfA
16:17 fbcit    or do I need to int it outside the loop
16:17 fbcit    if I initialize a var inside of a loop can it be passed out of the loop?
16:17 fbcit    java question
16:17 gmcharlt fbcit: yep
16:16 fbcit    gmcharlt: still around?
15:13 atz      I studied a lot of Java in school.... and haven't touched it much since.
15:09 gmcharlt fbcit: I'm no guru, but I know a little bit about Java
14:58 fbcit    any java guru's around?
14:57 fbcit    g'morning koha
14:54 CGI861   do you have a minute?
14:54 CGI861   owen I just wrote you
14:39 owen     Some, CGI861
14:34 CGI861   anyone on
13:44 paul     (Ohio and another one, don't remember which one)
13:44 owen     Yeah, I expected the decision to have been made for us by the time we had our primary
13:44 paul     (at least that's what radio stations reports here in france...)
13:44 paul     seems that Ohio will be important for Democrat candidate this year...
13:43 paul     hi owen & kados.
13:43 owen     Hi kados, long time no see
13:43 kados    hey owen
13:39 owen     Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, etc., #koha