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22:18 fbcit    gmcharlt: being slightly >1M this will take a century over dialup, but its dripping up now.
22:11 gmcharlt fbcit: context, please
22:10 fbcit    gmcharlt: did you want a unified or context diff on makefile?
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18:54 lea      see ya.
17:39 fbcit    theme defaults to 'prog' when all else fails now....
17:12 fbcit    hrmm.. @languages in themelanguage is never defined... afaics
16:59 fbcit    that helps, tnx paul, owen
16:57 paul     and the translator too generate prog/fr-FR and other languages when requested
16:57 owen     fbcit, it depends on what translations the users create
16:57 paul     the developpers use prog/en
16:57 fbcit    so is there ever .../prog/fr/ or only ../prog/en ?
16:56 fbcit    yes
16:56 paul     does that sound more comprehensible ?
16:56 paul     the language file being generated automatically from the english + translator tool
16:55 paul     fbcit: template is a set of tmpl file, specific to a given theme and language.
16:55 owen     I don't understand the question
16:54 fbcit    owen: one further question... is template == language or theme?
16:16 owen     fbcit, I'd just mark it as fixed. The bug is really about the theme switching not working. I don't think you can expect Koha to work if you delete required files
16:14 lea      kados: are you there?
16:14 fbcit    ok... so maybe this bug should be marked as a feature request and move off of major status?
16:13 owen     Yeah, I agree
16:10 owen     Sure, but where does that page come from? And if it's not in templates, how does it get translated?
16:10 fbcit    maybe by redirecting them to the page that states opac is down for maintenance... or something similar :-)
16:09 owen     Yeah...but how do you give patrons a friendly 'missing template' error when you'd have to use a template to do so?
16:09 fbcit    ...so we at least need to gracefully handle a missing 'prog' and maybe forget rotating through all available themes ?
16:08 fbcit    opac at present, I have not looked at staff yet
16:07 fbcit    you mentioned in bug 1790 that if 'prog' is missing opac fails...
16:07 owen     ..and are we talking specifically about the opac, or both opac and staff client?
16:06 owen     In the past, extra themes have been contributed but not necessarily well-maintained
16:05 owen     I wonder if it's better to fail first to the default (prog), and then to any other. Reason being, prog, being the default, is most likely to be the best-maintained (and properly working) theme
16:04 fbcit    seems that an earlier version of koha did this...?
16:04 fbcit    I understood that from my discussions with chris
16:03 fbcit    then there is the case when 'prog' is missing for some reason
16:03 owen     Who desires that?
16:03 fbcit    but I understand that it is desired to walk through all available themes with prog being last
16:02 fbcit    yes
16:02 owen     Right now the failover scheme is to try the theme specified, and if that fails to try 'prog' ?
16:01 owen     Good question, fbcit... It seems like theme failover isn't something you really should be planning for, because if you're planning for anything it should be that you have a valid theme
16:01 fbcit    right now, the template only allows selection of a single theme based on a list generated by getallthemes
16:00 lloyd_   lea : sorry no we didn't
16:00 fbcit    should the user be able to set the order themes failover in or should it simply be alphabetical or... or...
15:59 fbcit    question regarding theme selection/fallback
15:58 owen     Yes
15:58 fbcit    owen around?
15:54 fbcit    kados ?
15:38 gmcharlt ok, thanks
15:38 fbcit    it'll be tonight as the win32 box is at home
15:38 fbcit    gmcharlt: I haven't kept up with the changes and did not have alot of time to look at it.
15:37 gmcharlt fbcit: please send me the context diff between the versions of the Makefile (or perhaps file a bug and attach it there)
15:37 gmcharlt fbcit: just got a report that it's not working on FreeBSD (though presumably for different reason)
15:36 lea      lloyd, in your research for MARC21 record providers, did you find anywhere that'll do it for free for < 1500 records a year?
15:29 fbcit    run dmake w/o -x and things go ok except the env vars are incorrect.
15:25 fbcit    a diff of Makefiles generated by each did not turn up anything obvious
15:25 fbcit    I ran an older copy from the old installer branch and it works ok
15:24 fbcit    dmake returns an error when using the -x switch to export the env vars
15:24 gmcharlt what's it doing?
15:24 fbcit    gmcharlt: Makefile.PL breaks on win32 now... :(
15:17 gmcharlt hi fbcit
15:16 fbcit    g'morning folks
15:02 owen     http://oleonard.dev.kohalibrary.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=man&limit=available
15:01 owen     Got it. Will be patched today. But I'm not sure the availability limit is working
14:59 kados    owen: the 'limit to currently avaialble items' link in th OPAC is linking to the staff client's filename
14:40 Fallor   i give up
14:40 Fallor   no, i don't get this :(
14:32 Fallor   doesn't seem to be a permission-problem either
14:28 Fallor   oh well...
14:27 Fallor   Then if I comment out DocumentRoot and <Directory> thingys from httpd.conf, it's forbidden again
14:26 Fallor   but now i just see apache's testpage :D
14:26 Fallor   no more forbidden
14:26 Fallor   ok, it's changed
14:07 Fallor   and i have no idea what's wrong
14:07 Fallor   but now that doesn't seem to work
14:07 Fallor   it used to be enough if i just threw Include /etc/koha-httpd.conf to the end of httpd.conf
14:06 lloyd    apache is great, but a little bloated
14:05 Fallor   and now this apache2 which is completely different from 1.3
14:05 Fallor   i've never quite understood it's logic
14:05 Fallor   it's terrible
14:05 Fallor   difficult
14:05 lea      heh. it isn't :)
14:05 Fallor   why does it have to be so difficule :(
14:03 Fallor   all i get is forbidden
14:03 Fallor   apache drives me crazy
13:57 kados    owen++
13:56 kados    hey owen
13:56 owen     Hi folks
13:50 kados    g'morning foxnorth
13:40 Fallor   hi again
13:28 lea      ah brilliant. I had the nouce to upload the scripts to the koha wiki. forgot about that :)
13:27 lea      :(
13:27 lea      managed to write a script to fix them but when my boss said in the summer he wasn't going down this route i deleted them....
13:27 lea      they were exporting bad records, which i only knew because i had my head stuck in a marc21 spec for 3 days >.<
13:27 lea      i sure hope micro librarian have fixed their marc21 export
13:26 lea      ok
13:10 lloyd    thats my plan anyways
13:08 lloyd    all items without isbn will be manually added
13:08 lloyd    all items not in staging area will be z39.50 lookup
13:05 lloyd    then going to ask liblime to write me a script to import these items from the staging area
13:05 lloyd    lea - well i'm getting the librarys to export there records in a csv. isbn/item type/class mark
12:53 fbcit    kados ?
12:53 fbcit    opps... guess not.
12:53 fbcit    chris around?
12:36 fbcit    g'morning koha
12:07 lea      when migrating
12:06 lea      so lloyd, how do you "retain" quanities?
12:06 lea      lol
11:58 lloyd    Morning paul
11:55 lloyd    yes, that's correct
11:51 lea      reason i ask s that I'll be moving over 20K books and want to make sure i get the file format correct.
11:51 lea      meaning, just one "copy"
11:50 lea      i seem to recall it used the imports to create the biblio
11:50 lea      how does it deal with multiple copies?
11:50 lea      ok, you know when koha imports records
11:46 lloyd    np
11:46 lea      thanks for that. I'll go tell our librarian
11:46 lea      well, I guess it's easy to manually "normalise" the data after adding it
11:45 lloyd    I have no idea
11:45 lea      is the marc21 data created by the publisher?
11:45 lea      maybe i don't get how these things work
11:44 lloyd    I know for a fact tomlinsons and waterstones offer that service
11:44 lea      what worries me is that edition #1 of a book will have say, Equine, as a subject (from the bnl), and the publisher record for edition #2 will have, say "Horses" or something.
11:43 lloyd    Well it's a full marc21 record, so no
11:43 lea      but will that be inconsistant with the BNL ones?
11:43 lloyd    yep
11:43 lea      really?
11:43 lloyd    you know when buying a book most suppliers will supply you with the marc21 record for around 50p
11:43 lea      getting the inital bulk will be ok
11:42 lea      so I'm looking at other options
11:42 lea      we can't do that
11:42 lea      so that's at least £20 per marc21 record
11:42 lea      what's annoying is we'll only have max 100 new books a year
11:33 lloyd    we're going to stage the back catelogue and stage weekly updates (dewey 610-620 only) and have access to the z39.50 server for importing books not in that dewey range
11:31 lloyd    annoying isn't it
11:15 lea      That's really steep for us. We just want to do a one-off batch convert, with the odd access now and again to update our catalogue when new books come in.
11:14 lea      lloyd: bnl just got back and yeah, £2K a year
11:14 lea      hi guys