Time Nick Message 03:19 [K] *** join #koha@FreeNode: phasefx_1 n=phasefx_@68-190-35-14.dhcp.gwnt.ga.charter.com 22:18 fbcit gmcharlt: being slightly >1M this will take a century over dialup, but its dripping up now. 22:11 gmcharlt fbcit: context, please 22:10 fbcit gmcharlt: did you want a unified or context diff on makefile? 21:45 [K] *** join #koha@FreeNode: phasefx_1 n=phasefx_@68-190-35-14.dhcp.gwnt.ga.charter.com 18:54 lea see ya. 17:39 fbcit theme defaults to 'prog' when all else fails now.... 17:12 fbcit hrmm.. @languages in themelanguage is never defined... afaics 16:59 fbcit that helps, tnx paul, owen 16:57 paul and the translator too generate prog/fr-FR and other languages when requested 16:57 owen fbcit, it depends on what translations the users create 16:57 paul the developpers use prog/en 16:57 fbcit so is there ever .../prog/fr/ or only ../prog/en ? 16:56 fbcit yes 16:56 paul does that sound more comprehensible ? 16:56 paul the language file being generated automatically from the english + translator tool 16:55 paul fbcit: template is a set of tmpl file, specific to a given theme and language. 16:55 owen I don't understand the question 16:54 fbcit owen: one further question... is template == language or theme? 16:16 owen fbcit, I'd just mark it as fixed. The bug is really about the theme switching not working. I don't think you can expect Koha to work if you delete required files 16:14 lea kados: are you there? 16:14 fbcit ok... so maybe this bug should be marked as a feature request and move off of major status? 16:13 owen Yeah, I agree 16:10 owen Sure, but where does that page come from? And if it's not in templates, how does it get translated? 16:10 fbcit maybe by redirecting them to the page that states opac is down for maintenance... or something similar :-) 16:09 owen Yeah...but how do you give patrons a friendly 'missing template' error when you'd have to use a template to do so? 16:09 fbcit ...so we at least need to gracefully handle a missing 'prog' and maybe forget rotating through all available themes ? 16:08 fbcit opac at present, I have not looked at staff yet 16:07 fbcit you mentioned in bug 1790 that if 'prog' is missing opac fails... 16:07 owen ..and are we talking specifically about the opac, or both opac and staff client? 16:06 owen In the past, extra themes have been contributed but not necessarily well-maintained 16:05 owen I wonder if it's better to fail first to the default (prog), and then to any other. Reason being, prog, being the default, is most likely to be the best-maintained (and properly working) theme 16:04 fbcit seems that an earlier version of koha did this...? 16:04 fbcit I understood that from my discussions with chris 16:03 fbcit then there is the case when 'prog' is missing for some reason 16:03 owen Who desires that? 16:03 fbcit but I understand that it is desired to walk through all available themes with prog being last 16:02 fbcit yes 16:02 owen Right now the failover scheme is to try the theme specified, and if that fails to try 'prog' ? 16:01 owen Good question, fbcit... It seems like theme failover isn't something you really should be planning for, because if you're planning for anything it should be that you have a valid theme 16:01 fbcit right now, the template only allows selection of a single theme based on a list generated by getallthemes 16:00 lloyd_ lea : sorry no we didn't 16:00 fbcit should the user be able to set the order themes failover in or should it simply be alphabetical or... or... 15:59 fbcit question regarding theme selection/fallback 15:58 owen Yes 15:58 fbcit owen around? 15:54 fbcit kados ? 15:38 gmcharlt ok, thanks 15:38 fbcit it'll be tonight as the win32 box is at home 15:38 fbcit gmcharlt: I haven't kept up with the changes and did not have alot of time to look at it. 15:37 gmcharlt fbcit: please send me the context diff between the versions of the Makefile (or perhaps file a bug and attach it there) 15:37 gmcharlt fbcit: just got a report that it's not working on FreeBSD (though presumably for different reason) 15:36 lea lloyd, in your research for MARC21 record providers, did you find anywhere that'll do it for free for < 1500 records a year? 15:29 fbcit run dmake w/o -x and things go ok except the env vars are incorrect. 15:25 fbcit a diff of Makefiles generated by each did not turn up anything obvious 15:25 fbcit I ran an older copy from the old installer branch and it works ok 15:24 fbcit dmake returns an error when using the -x switch to export the env vars 15:24 gmcharlt what's it doing? 15:24 fbcit gmcharlt: Makefile.PL breaks on win32 now... :( 15:17 gmcharlt hi fbcit 15:16 fbcit g'morning folks 15:02 owen http://oleonard.dev.kohalibrary.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=man&limit=available 15:01 owen Got it. Will be patched today. But I'm not sure the availability limit is working 14:59 kados owen: the 'limit to currently avaialble items' link in th OPAC is linking to the staff client's filename 14:40 Fallor i give up 14:40 Fallor no, i don't get this :( 14:32 Fallor doesn't seem to be a permission-problem either 14:28 Fallor oh well... 14:27 Fallor Then if I comment out DocumentRoot and <Directory> thingys from httpd.conf, it's forbidden again 14:26 Fallor but now i just see apache's testpage :D 14:26 Fallor no more forbidden 14:26 Fallor ok, it's changed 14:07 Fallor and i have no idea what's wrong 14:07 Fallor but now that doesn't seem to work 14:07 Fallor it used to be enough if i just threw Include /etc/koha-httpd.conf to the end of httpd.conf 14:06 lloyd apache is great, but a little bloated 14:05 Fallor and now this apache2 which is completely different from 1.3 14:05 Fallor i've never quite understood it's logic 14:05 Fallor it's terrible 14:05 Fallor difficult 14:05 lea heh. it isn't :) 14:05 Fallor why does it have to be so difficule :( 14:03 Fallor all i get is forbidden 14:03 Fallor apache drives me crazy 13:57 kados owen++ 13:56 kados hey owen 13:56 owen Hi folks 13:50 kados g'morning foxnorth 13:40 Fallor hi again 13:28 lea ah brilliant. I had the nouce to upload the scripts to the koha wiki. forgot about that :) 13:27 lea :( 13:27 lea managed to write a script to fix them but when my boss said in the summer he wasn't going down this route i deleted them.... 13:27 lea they were exporting bad records, which i only knew because i had my head stuck in a marc21 spec for 3 days >.< 13:27 lea i sure hope micro librarian have fixed their marc21 export 13:26 lea ok 13:10 lloyd thats my plan anyways 13:08 lloyd all items without isbn will be manually added 13:08 lloyd all items not in staging area will be z39.50 lookup 13:05 lloyd then going to ask liblime to write me a script to import these items from the staging area 13:05 lloyd lea - well i'm getting the librarys to export there records in a csv. isbn/item type/class mark 12:53 fbcit kados ? 12:53 fbcit opps... guess not. 12:53 fbcit chris around? 12:36 fbcit g'morning koha 12:07 lea when migrating 12:06 lea so lloyd, how do you "retain" quanities? 12:06 lea lol 11:58 lloyd Morning paul 11:55 lloyd yes, that's correct 11:51 lea reason i ask s that I'll be moving over 20K books and want to make sure i get the file format correct. 11:51 lea meaning, just one "copy" 11:50 lea i seem to recall it used the imports to create the biblio 11:50 lea how does it deal with multiple copies? 11:50 lea ok, you know when koha imports records 11:46 lloyd np 11:46 lea thanks for that. I'll go tell our librarian 11:46 lea well, I guess it's easy to manually "normalise" the data after adding it 11:45 lloyd I have no idea 11:45 lea is the marc21 data created by the publisher? 11:45 lea maybe i don't get how these things work 11:44 lloyd I know for a fact tomlinsons and waterstones offer that service 11:44 lea what worries me is that edition #1 of a book will have say, Equine, as a subject (from the bnl), and the publisher record for edition #2 will have, say "Horses" or something. 11:43 lloyd Well it's a full marc21 record, so no 11:43 lea but will that be inconsistant with the BNL ones? 11:43 lloyd yep 11:43 lea really? 11:43 lloyd you know when buying a book most suppliers will supply you with the marc21 record for around 50p 11:43 lea getting the inital bulk will be ok 11:42 lea so I'm looking at other options 11:42 lea we can't do that 11:42 lea so that's at least £20 per marc21 record 11:42 lea what's annoying is we'll only have max 100 new books a year 11:33 lloyd we're going to stage the back catelogue and stage weekly updates (dewey 610-620 only) and have access to the z39.50 server for importing books not in that dewey range 11:31 lloyd annoying isn't it 11:15 lea That's really steep for us. We just want to do a one-off batch convert, with the odd access now and again to update our catalogue when new books come in. 11:14 lea lloyd: bnl just got back and yeah, £2K a year 11:14 lea hi guys