Time Nick Message 13:50 owen Hi foxnorth 13:50 foxnorth owen: hey owen 13:51 owen What's new with you? You still on biblios full time? 13:52 foxnorth yeah, still working on it :) 13:52 foxnorth i've been playing with koha bit, too-- the templates are looking very good! 13:52 owen thanks, I'm pretty pleased with how far we've gotten. 13:53 owen I've still got a lot to do on the OPAC 13:53 foxnorth ah, i haven't played as much with the opac lately 13:53 foxnorth i should check it out 13:53 foxnorth very nice 13:53 foxnorth very clean and sleek looking 13:54 foxnorth and readable 13:54 foxnorth i like that 14:21 frederic Owen? Hello... 14:21 owen Hi frederic 14:21 frederic I've just seen your language selection section on page bottom 14:21 frederic It's nice 14:22 frederic It's done with css file and new classes 14:22 frederic Those classes are in en/css/staff-global.css 14:22 frederic for the time beeing it's not reported in fr/css/staff-global.css 14:23 frederic I was wondering why there is not a global css file indendently of language 14:23 frederic Any reason? 14:24 owen No good reason. But everything in /fr/ has to be re-generated from the /en/ templates anyway when the /en/ templates are updated, don't they? 14:24 owen I'm not sure what the best practice is when it comes to CSS and internationalization 14:25 frederic Ok. You're right, even if I'm not sure if css file are regenerated like .tmpl file... 14:26 frederic There could be a global css file and a language specific one. 14:26 owen That could be the case if the CSS files were outside of the /lang/ directories I guess 14:32 frederic I had processed template files. It works! Your i18nMenu css are there in French. Thanks. 14:36 osaury Hi everybody. I'm Olivier SAURY - Marseille, France. I start working on Koha with Paul Poulain. 14:36 owen Hi osaury 14:36 kados CSS is regenerated, but CSS is also parsed by the translation tools 14:36 kados so it's translated in the case of English strings 14:36 kados at least that's the theory :-) 14:36 osaury Could someone help me translating two words in english ? 14:37 kados osaury: sure 14:37 kados osaury: and welcome! 14:37 osaury Our customer is a big public librairy. It classifies each document according 14:37 osaury to the catogories of persons who are interested in it. 14:37 osaury Examples of categories : « children », « teenagers » 14:38 osaury , « professionals », etc. 14:38 osaury I called « audience » the column that stores these categories. 14:38 osaury Is it correct ? 14:38 kados sounds good to me 14:39 osaury Ok. Thank you very much. 14:40 osaury The 2nd and last expression is « lot de marché public ». 14:41 osaury Context : our customer is a big public librairy with a few suppliers 14:41 osaury (always the same librairians). 14:41 osaury Each year, the librairy makes a request for proposal 14:41 osaury to all the librairians of the region. 14:42 osaury Sorry : the librairy makes a request for proposal to all the BOOKSELLERS of the region. 14:43 osaury No bookseller is big enough to answer to this big request for proposal. 14:43 osaury So the request for proposal is divided into several "lots". 14:44 osaury Example : "musical CDs", "books for children", etc. 14:44 kados 'types' 14:44 kados perhaps? 14:45 osaury 'types' is to close form 'itemtypes'. 14:45 osaury Is 'Lots' convenient ? 14:57 hdl osaury : part may be a good term. 15:00 osaury I will use that term 'part'. Thanks 15:01 osaury I must go now but thank you very much for your help and your welcome. 15:16 kados well, it's official 15:16 kados http://plone.org/news 15:16 kados Koha Community Website Announces Plone Theme Contest 15:16 atz cool 15:21 atz kados: http://koha.org/about-koha/news/nr1199901668.html 15:21 atz has some text: "need wording here about splitting prizes evenly" 15:21 kados yea, I noticed that too 15:22 kados russ is the only one who can fix it with the current website 15:34 kados hence the move to plone in the first place :-) 15:45 hdl kados : does plone allow some interactions with marcrecords ? 15:46 kados hdl: no, i don't think so ... it's just a CRM 15:46 kados oops, CMS I mean 15:46 hdl drupal too, but has some facilities for that. 15:48 hdl it seems that language facility forget the first language syspref. 15:48 hdl kados : opac-changelanguage.pl should be a copy of changelanguage.pl or a symlink to it ? 15:49 kados a copy, we can't do symlinks 15:49 hdl So, I do it and commit it. 15:55 kados cool 16:08 Brooke howdy 16:08 kados hey Brooke 22:11 [K] *** join #koha@FreeNode: dennisharrison n=dennisha@71-81-37-44.dhcp.slid.la.charter.com 22:11 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> hoedy 22:11 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> oops, howdy :) 22:11 chris hi there 22:14 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> I see you guys are looking for a new theme 22:14 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> was wondering what sorts of themes you were looking for 22:14 kados hey dennisharison! 22:14 atz true 22:15 atz you got one for us? 22:15 kados welcome to #koha 22:15 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> I generate a plone3 theme a day right now :) 22:15 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> been getting lots of customers lately 22:15 kados dennisharrison: basically, the theme goals are outlined here: 22:15 kados http://koha.org/community/contest.html 22:15 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> the one I am working on today is at megarec.com 22:15 kados sweet 22:15 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> won't look right without firefox until I am finished witht he browser hacking 22:16 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> I see that, was just wondering if you guys had specific requests or examples you wanted to follow? 22:16 kados well, there are a couple examples listed there I think ... really, we are looking for something that is an upgrade of the current theme, something that looks like a 'version upgrade' to koha.org :-) 22:17 kados so some of the same basic themes of koha.org 22:17 kados but not strictly the same if that makes sense 22:19 kados dennisharrison, sorry, we're programmers, so not the best at describing our goals for the website design :-) 22:19 kados dennisharrison: we want it to look pretty :-) 22:20 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> and are you guys a company or a non profit? 22:20 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> I would be willing to do the work as a donation 22:20 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> have to get the taxes down somehow 22:20 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> yeah makes a lot of sense 22:20 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> just wondering if any particular community site struck you as 'that is what I want' :) 22:21 kados koha.org is a group of libraries, individuals, and support companies not unlike the plone community 22:21 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> yeah, we used to host plone4lib 22:21 kados LibLime is the company sponsoring the contest 22:21 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> similar project to what darci is doing? 22:21 kados http://liblime.com 22:21 kados dennisharrison: exactly 22:21 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> ouch, liblime needs a new skin :) 22:21 kados dennisharrison: koha is software that runs a library, handles circulation, etc. 22:22 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> based on plone ? 22:22 kados dennisharrison: yep :-) 22:22 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> any additional stuff you guys have back in collective ? 22:22 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> or is this sort of like just a very specific to libraries plone that libs would be bettero ff using? 22:22 kados the skin is strictly for the koha.org website 22:23 kados we wouldn't be distributing it to libraries for instance 22:23 kados it's just for the koha.org website :-) 22:23 kados does that make sense? 22:23 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> yep 22:23 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> just wondering about the focus of your project 22:24 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> your submission page says it must install via quickinstaller for 2.5.5 22:24 kados the focus of the project is on what's called a 'library automation system' 22:24 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> you want a 2.5 or 3.* theme? 22:24 chris oh koha the software isnt based on plone 22:24 kados right, koha is separate from plone :-) 22:24 kados it's written in perl in fact 22:24 kados I think darci recommended 2.5 theme because 3.* wasn't as stable 22:24 kados and didn't have all the products we needed yet 22:25 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> haha oh ok :) 22:25 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> what products? 22:25 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> darci hasn't really messed with plone3 too much other then as an integrator as far as I know 22:26 kados I can't recall all of the products she recommended off hand 22:27 kados documentation center was one 22:27 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> I would recommend moving to plone3 over 2.5 22:27 kados there was a product map that tied into google maps 22:27 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> I am working on that right now 22:27 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> new release will have the ability to use alt images as the map 22:27 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> and draw polygons per location 22:27 kados a case studies product IIRC 22:27 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> should be ready by tomorrow 22:27 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> ahh ok 22:27 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> yeah 22:28 kados as well as screenshots IIRC 22:28 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> that isn't in 3 yet 22:28 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> but won't be hard to upgrade 22:28 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> screenshots? 22:28 kados yea it was like a showcase product of some kind 22:28 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> thumbnail view and something similar to lightbox? 22:28 kados that maybe an artist would use? 22:28 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> yeah, handled better in plone3 22:28 kados or a website designer? 22:28 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> I also just re released the swf slideshow 22:29 kados we want to use it to showcase the libraries using Koha 22:29 kados cool 22:29 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> it can build swf's based on jpeg / swf and mp3 input 22:29 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> sort of similar to a ttw poweropint 22:29 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> powerpoint 22:29 kados sweet 22:30 kados well, whoever is chosen for the re-skinning would likely have lots of other work coming their way 22:30 kados related to koha.org 22:30 kados (and perhaps liblime.com ;-)) 22:31 kados and !!! I did the skin for liblime.com ... it's not _that_ bad, is it? :-) 22:31 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> oh .. no .. its great ;p 22:31 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> j/k 22:31 kados hehe 22:32 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> I just have a 1680x1050 res and most sites now a days look tiny 22:32 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> I do like how easy static pixel layout is to manipulate though 22:33 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> well, lets see what kind of stuff I can submit to you 22:33 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> I'll give you a few themes to look at 22:33 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> Nice talking to you guys, will let you know after I submit some 22:34 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> well I guess I need to sort of figure something out first 22:34 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> are you adamant about using plone 2.5? 22:36 kados not personally 22:37 kados have to ask Darci, she's running the contest :-) 22:37 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> ahh gotcha :) 22:37 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> she owes me some jello shots anyhow 22:39 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> well i'll let you guys get back to work, I don't have a problem with 2.5, it is easier to skin for as far as time wise due to the lack of needing multiple zcml imports and browsers, but I will see what she says about plone3 22:39 kados cool 22:45 kados wow 22:45 kados http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/01/16/business/sun.php 22:46 kados sun just bought MySQL 22:46 kados !!! 22:46 chris yep 22:46 chris well MySQL AB 22:46 kados *nod* 22:46 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> hehe, poor sun, the only company to 'do it right' and they shat on by the industry 22:47 kados heh 22:47 kados yea, sun++ for the most part 22:51 atz sweet... sun++ indeed 22:52 atz i expect to see some good SPARC tweaks 00:15 kados that's committments to translate Koha into 26 languages! 00:15 kados w00t 00:17 atz 26 is huge. 00:18 chris added klingon yet? 00:18 chris :) 00:18 atz actually.... i saw code w/ klingon 00:18 atz C4/Languages.pm 00:19 kados hehe 00:19 kados so get this, we have like the best spot on the floor at PLA 00:20 kados http://fp32.a2zinc.net/clients/fpPLA/pla2008/public/fphtml.aspx 00:20 kados we're where booth 1013 is 00:20 kados except we're a 20x20 00:21 atz nice spot 00:21 kados right next to TLC, SirsiDynix, III, 00:21 kados man, that rocks 00:21 kados and polaris 00:21 kados hehe 00:24 chris heh 00:46 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> alright 00:46 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> darci says that she just doesn't trust plone3 yet for you guys :) 00:46 kados hehe 00:46 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> so i'll throw in a couple of skins for 2.5 for you guys that will work on 3 as well for when you want to upgrade 00:46 kados sweet 00:46 kados dennisharrison++ 00:47 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> I suggest skipping 2.5 altogether but I understand there is politics going on, so , no biggy :) 00:47 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> give me a few days for it 00:47 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> you guys like openplans ? 00:48 kados what's openplans? 00:50 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> openplans.org 00:51 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> just the header area really 00:51 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> would make colors work via base props for sure 00:51 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> maybe a lightly textured background and round all corners with a low radius 00:51 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> give you guys some flexibility to change colors on the fly 00:52 kados rounded corners would be nice 00:52 kados openplans is a bit blockish for my tastes 00:53 kados also, I think we plan to have a lot more graphical content 00:53 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> sure thing, how about ... 00:55 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> http://www.colourlovers.com/ 00:56 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> with different colors rounded corners and liquid ? 00:58 kados hard to visualize :-) 00:58 kados sorry, I'm not much help :-) 00:58 kados and ... I need to head home for dinner 00:59 [K] <dennisharrison@FreeNode> see ya 09:03 [K] *** join #koha@FreeNode: phasefx__ n=phasefx_@68-190-35-14.dhcp.gwnt.ga.charter.com 10:39 lloyd_ mmmm. 3.0 is a huge improvement!