Time  Nick      Message
03:54 gmcharlt  named_captures++
03:51 kados     recursive_regex++
22:12 atz       including a real switch statement and recursive REGEXP (sweet)
22:11 atz       perl 5.10.0 released: http://dev.perl.org/perl5/news/2007/perl-5.10.0.html
21:18 fbcit     bb in 8 days koha... Happy New Year
21:16 kados     bug it :-)
21:15 owen      kados, have you tested display of ccode? I'm not seeing it come through to detail.pl
20:42 kados     hehe
20:36 owen      I guess so
20:36 kados     another bug?
20:36 kados     I thought so
20:34 owen      moredetail.pl still isn't showing me that an item is checked out. Didn't I see a fix for that come through?
20:26 kados     :)
20:10 owen      Yeah, I'll file a bug
20:10 kados     *nod*
20:09 owen      Yeah, but since it's checked out (not in the library at all), I don't think the homebranch/holdingbranch distinction is relevant for display
20:09 kados     owen: can you file a bug report for that one?
20:09 kados     but when it's checked out displaying that probly doesn't matter
20:09 kados     ie, not at home
20:09 kados     if anything the item is 'out of place'
20:08 owen      I would say being checked out negates the in-transit
20:07 owen      The list of items there says the last one is checked out and in transit
20:07 owen      http://oleonard.dev.kohalibrary.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-reserve.pl?biblionumber=109
20:06 owen      kados: I think we've got some confusion going on regarding the definition of "in transit"
20:04 kados     as is course reserves
20:04 kados     but that's int he WALDo spec
20:03 kados     no
20:03 gmcharlt  kados: does Koha currently support recalls?
20:03 kados     :)
20:03 kados     it's all contained in about 10 lines of perl atm
20:03 kados     we need a configuration template for 'holdability' of an item
20:02 gmcharlt  I smell a syspref here
20:01 kados     :)
20:01 kados     because san-op says so
19:53 owen      Why should I not be able to place a hold on a specific copy if that copy is checked out?
19:36 kados     yes
19:34 owen      does o - Koha full call number = itemcallnumber?
19:26 owen      Of course.
19:25 kados     in others, people will be crafting each one separately :-)
19:25 kados     yes, in some configurations
19:21 owen      so itemcallnumber would get populated automatically from the biblio record (942?)
19:19 kados     so we don't need the IF
19:19 kados     it should always be populated
19:19 owen      kados, back to the callnumber thing...If the display referrs to items (like in checkout and check in), the itemcallnumber should be displayed...but will that always be populated? Should it be <if itemcallnumber>itemcallnumber<else>cn_data</if>
19:06 kados     phew! :-)
19:06 kados     ahh, ok
19:05 owen      That's an artifact of the bug where books checked out with a "specify due date" date didn't get a date due
19:05 kados     owen: yea
19:04 owen      kados: re: checkouts without date due, are you talking about my record?
18:07 kados     hehe
18:07 kados     I believe we've done it previously for inventory purposes
18:07 owen      Okay.
18:07 kados     yes
18:06 owen      So for instance with NPL's database, the upgrade process will have to populate those fields
18:06 kados     :(
18:06 kados     sorry ... yea, tey need itemcallnumber
18:05 kados     so they probably need itemcallnumber
18:05 kados     these are items
18:05 kados     come to think of it
18:05 kados     although ...
18:05 kados     ok, Writing as social action /   should now have a cn_class
18:04 kados     it would be in 942 if you did have it
18:04 kados     at the biblio level anyway
18:04 kados     your data doesn't have cn_* in it
18:04 kados     but note
18:03 kados     ie, classification, dewey have gone away
18:03 kados     and replace whatever's there
18:03 kados     you should add cn_class, cn_item and cn_suffix to the template
18:01 kados     got a link?
18:01 owen      ...or is there a problem with my data?
18:01 owen      Should I alter the template to output cn_class and cn_item and cn_suffix?
18:01 owen      Let's be specific: In my installation at least, there's nothing listed in the call number column in the list of checkouts in circulation
18:01 kados     not in practice though? :-)
18:00 owen      On an abstract level...
17:59 kados     owen: make sense?
17:58 kados     owen: item-level call numbers are just itemcallnumber
17:58 kados     owen: basically, for bib-level call numbers you can concatenate cn_class and cn_item and cn_suffix
17:57 kados     owen: is what's there enough to go on?
17:55 kados     but a good start
17:55 kados     http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:callnumbers
17:55 kados     this is incomplete:
17:51 kados     owen: adding to the wiki ... just a moment
17:48 kados     owen: yes
17:37 owen      Are call numbers handled in a more standardized way now?
17:36 owen      Regarding Bug 1348: I don't really understand how call numbers are handled now
17:30 kados     owen: what's up?
17:30 kados     owen: sure am
17:28 paul      (will be off on monday/tuesday, back on jan 2nd)
17:28 paul      see you  ... next year !
17:28 paul      time to leave for me.
17:26 owen      kados, are you accepting questions?
16:48 kados     :)
16:48 paul      thus my question
16:48 paul      yep, but that's unusual
16:47 kados     I think it's because he's on from freenode
16:47 paul      nope, just chris
16:47 kados     metavore? :-)
16:47 kados     what should it be?
16:47 kados     really?
16:47 paul      kados => I was surprised by the login : chris, from netspace.net.nz !
16:46 kados     should be
16:40 paul      [K] is chris ?
16:36 [K]       *** join #koha@FreeNode: rangi n=chris@203-118-134-114.netspace.net.nz
16:07 owen      Hm, never mind I think I can handle it.
16:07 owen      kados: Here's a glitch
15:58 kados     back to biblio record I think
15:58 owen      Reserve for another patron?
15:57 owen      What do you think should be the navigation option at that point? Back to biblio record?
15:56 kados     I agree
15:55 owen      kados: I'm thinking we should hide the hold entry form if the patron cannot place the hold, just as we hide the circ form if the patron can't check out. What do you think?
15:51 kados     yea, that makes sense
15:49 owen      Right it shows a message, but doesn't block the hold from being placed.
15:48 owen      Having an expired card prevents a user from checking something out. Should it also block them from having a hold placed for them in the staff client?
15:48 kados     because even for NPL, it'd be useful to be warned to verify that the patron wants to pick it up at a branch other than their home branch
15:47 kados     yea, I think so
15:47 owen      So you would vote to keep the message whether or not independantbranches is turned on
15:47 kados     well, I think it's a useful thing to warn in any case
15:46 owen      kados: So there's no reason for a message about pickup library being different from home library?
15:41 kados     paul: it'd be useful if you could take a look at that page and confirm that it describes the feature as you understand it
15:40 kados     http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:independentbranches
15:40 kados     threre's another syspref called canreservefromotherbranches that enables it again
15:39 kados     if independantbranches is on the dropdown shouldnt display any branches other than the current one by default
15:16 paul      )
15:16 paul      right, it should (imho=
15:16 owen      Should that only be there if IndependentBranches is on?
15:16 owen      If I'm in the staff client placing a hold for a patron, I get a message about "Pickup Library is different than patron's home library"
15:13 paul      (with our without sponsoring, that's not the core of the problem it seems)
15:13 paul      I had some questions from libraries, but none saying "hey, I WANT this to change"
15:12 owen      I'm surprised no one has asked for it yet
15:11 paul      but I agree we could have holding rules as we have issuing & fines rules ;-)
15:11 paul      owen : it's historic. and nobody ever changed the behaviour.
15:10 kados     I think it is defined in itemtypes
15:09 owen      I wonder why number of holds allowed is a system preference for all patrons rather than something defined in patron categories?
15:05 js        hi
15:05 kados     hiya js
15:04 kados     paul: thanks
15:03 paul      8 patches in a tgz file in patches mailbox...
15:02 kados     I'll talk to chris about it today
15:01 kados     ahh ...
15:01 paul      (something like the mail being identified as latin1, even if it is utf8)
15:00 kados     how do we solve it?
14:59 paul      and with other translations coming, the problem will grow.
14:59 paul      because it's really a pain to have to tar gz every time I want to submit a patch.
14:59 paul      do you have plan so solve the git-send-email not working for translations (diacritics mungled) ?
14:58 paul      kados, are you still around ?
14:56 gmcharlt  but at least looks like progress
14:55 gmcharlt  yeah, got your e-mail
14:55 fbcit     no success yet, though
14:54 fbcit     gmcharlt: I worked on XML::LibXSLT more last night/this morning
14:53 gmcharlt  hi fbcit
14:52 fbcit     g'morning koha
14:47 kados     gmcharlt++
14:47 kados     awesome!
14:47 paul      kados : I confirm that the patch for utf-8 works well (and the SessionStorage syspref can safely be set to mysql even if you have diacritics in the library name)
14:33 kados     hiya gmcharlt
14:32 gmcharlt_ thanks -- and good day to all :)
14:32 paul      (but good morning to you anyway)
14:32 gmcharlt_ :)
14:31 paul      the morning was good for me. it's afternoon now, you're a little bit late gmcharlt_ ;-)
14:31 gmcharlt_ good morning #koha
14:27 paul      (most of them seems related to virtual shelf = > list change)
14:26 paul      (45 fuzzy to review + 4 untranlsated)
14:21 paul      http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1716
14:20 paul      hello owen, a small gift for you just written on bugs.koha.org ;-)
14:20 owen      Hi folks
14:20 kados     hiya owen
14:20 kados     :)
14:20 paul      that's was on my plan for today ;-)
14:19 kados     paul: galen discovered the problem
14:19 kados     paul: you should be able to use session type mysql now
14:19 kados     paul: I just pushed up the last of the utf8 fixes ...
14:17 kados     question for owen ...
14:17 kados     ahh, maybe it's removed for search results ?
14:17 paul      + on opac-search no menu on the left too
14:16 paul      (+"site de l'ipt paris")
14:16 paul      look at any other page : there is a "BIBLIOTHEQUE DE L'IPT PARIS" +"PAge de liens" + "PAtchwork"
14:15 kados     where you can define the menu
14:15 paul      nope.
14:15 kados     called OpacNav I think
14:15 kados     you are missing a syspref
14:15 kados     there should be a menu too
14:14 paul      http://o15.bureau.paulpoulain.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=&q=chaos
14:14 paul      (zebra)
14:14 kados     zebra or nozebra?
14:14 kados     hmmm
14:13 paul      (we have the "refine your search")
14:13 paul      is it something missing or something volunteerly done like that ?
14:13 paul      kados : a quick question : on opac-search, the result list does not have the menu on the left.
13:45 kados     :)
13:43 kados     optional I think
13:43 kados     in the sample data in installer/data/en
13:43 kados     there are sample matching rules available
13:43 kados     hehe
13:43 kados     yes, ISBN is an example
13:43 paul      (as most of the field meaning is still mysterious : threshold, score, offset, length, normalization rule...)
13:42 paul      could you give me a sample of a filled matching-rule ?
13:41 kados     better?
13:41 kados     rules to find duplicates
13:38 kados     s/defined/define/
13:38 kados     ie, you can go into system administration and defined 'match points'
13:38 kados     except it's not hard-coded :-)
13:38 kados     it's the equiv of FindDuplicate
13:37 paul      could you explain to me what matching-rules is done for ? (I don't understand, so it's hard to translate ...)
13:36 kados     OK
13:36 paul      kados : I think it's a remaining 2.2 feature that is now useless
13:35 kados     wow!, great news!
13:35 kados     is that the 'suggestions' feature I've heard about?
13:35 paul      I have 3 universities that have officially told to me that they are investigating Koha seriously !
13:35 kados     paul: do you use findseealso somewhere?
13:34 kados     :)
13:34 paul      s/earth/world/
13:34 kados     working on those this morning ... and also quite a boring process!
13:34 paul      the easiest way would have be to have only 1 langage all over earth...
13:34 kados     I wish there was an easier way :(
13:33 paul      yep too
13:33 kados     in the template?
13:33 paul      yep.
13:33 kados     so if a string isn't translated, it's left in English, eh?
13:33 paul      quite long & boring process...
13:33 kados     ahh
13:33 paul      (for translation)
13:33 paul      (it includes around new 200 help strings)
13:33 kados     300 strings?
13:33 kados     hi paul
13:33 paul      hello kados.
13:24 kados     g'morning #koha