Time  Nick     Message
13:07 kados    hdl: you around?
13:08 kados    hdl: please verify that all your patches have been pushed up
13:08 kados    hdl: also, I have a question for you if you have a moment
13:11 paul     hi kados.
13:11 paul     'morning to you.
13:11 paul     my patches have been lost, or is there a problem with them
13:12 paul     (it was a patches.tgz, very important, as they contains the updated french translation)
13:12 paul     (and I have another update one to send... for both opac & staff)
13:13 gmcharlt good morning #koha, paul, and kados
13:13 paul     'morning gmcharlt
13:14 gmcharlt paul: when you have a chance, please look at the changes I made to rebuild_zebra.pl -- I'm wonder if the code to work with the config files is still needed
13:17 paul     gmcharlt: you have removed them already if I don't mind ?
13:17 paul     s/them/it/
13:18 gmcharlt gmcharlt: no, code is still there, just now need to supply --munge-config to invoke it
13:18 gmcharlt paul, rather (need to stop talking to myself :) )
13:18 gmcharlt but if not needed, I can remove outright
13:20 gmcharlt hehe
13:20 paul     lol
13:24 kados    paul: hi
13:24 kados    paul: did you get my email ... I had some problems with the patches, can you rebase and re-submit as a tgz?
13:25 paul     ok, I do it immediatly (and, unless I missed it, I haven't got a mail from you)
13:26 paul     kados : I send the mail to jmf or patches mailbox ?
13:26 kados    send to rm@koha.org this time
13:27 kados    but normally, patches@
13:27 kados    :-0
13:27 paul     done
13:27 kados    paul: also, when it's conveneint, I have a question
13:29 kados    paul: do any of the french libraries use the 'accounts, fines' features in Koha?
13:30 paul     (on phone)
13:31 paul     kados : I don't think so
13:31 hdl      kados: back
13:31 paul     mmm... no, i'm wrong. sanop use them if I don't mind
13:31 hdl      maybe some local libraries.
13:32 kados    in france, how many decimal place for the currency (euro)?
13:32 kados    just two like in the US?
13:32 paul     2
13:35 kados    ok, thanks
13:36 kados    paul: have any plans for the holiday?
13:39 arsenic  guys, do you still using Bugzilla to report bugs?
13:39 kados    arsenic: bugs.koha.org
13:39 kados    arsenic: yep
13:40 arsenic  are you using rel_3_0 for, well, Koha 3.0 bugs?
13:40 kados    HEAD until the release
13:40 kados    but rel_3_0 will work
13:40 kados    paul: adding _() to strings for translator
13:40 arsenic  ok. thanks kados
13:40 kados    paul: does this patch improve things, i'm unsure based on your commit message
13:41 kados    paul: 'Note that it DOES not work as expected. It seem that the translator misses the _() string inside expandable button'
13:41 paul     kados : 2 commit later, I say that in fact it works fine
13:41 kados    hehe, ok
13:44 kados    paul: Civility is incorrect, Title is preferred
13:44 paul     it's an unsolvable problem for translation !
13:44 paul     title in french is "Titre" (=biblio title) and "Civilité" (=ppl title)
13:45 paul     so we need 2 different terms.
13:45 kados    I see
13:45 kados    hmmm
13:45 paul     (we can use "titre" for civility, but only for king, duke or things like that)
13:46 paul     (not for Mister, Miss...)
13:48 kados    we could use Salutation
13:49 arsenic  that i see almost everywhere
13:49 kados    hmmm, not quite right
13:49 kados    that would be more like the first line in a letter 'Dear X'
13:50 kados    paul: I'll approve the patch and will think of a better term in the meantime
13:50 arsenic  Well, it's actually Dear [M./Miss/Dumb] X, so that is why salutation is used
13:55 kados    paul: all patches pushed
13:55 kados    arsenic: ok, maybe that is the right term
13:55 arsenic  here an awesome example: http://inlibro.com/index.php?option=com_facileforms&Itemid=60 :)
13:57 arsenic  but it seems that Civilité is used on many french (from France) web site... and Salutation in french (from Quebec/Canada)'s one
13:57 kados    ok, salutation it is
13:58 arsenic  We do have multiple inconsistencies between our french, so I guess that a day or another, I'll have to sponsored a French (Canada) translation.
14:02 arsenic  The koha database must be created with which Collation? I used utf8_general_ci, is that correct?
14:02 paul     that's what I use
14:07 arsenic  There is something I find strange in Koha 3.  When creating a new MARC record, the ISBN field lets me enter only 2 characters.  Do i miss something?
14:08 kados    arsenic: sounds like a bug
14:11 arsenic  Well, that what I though at first.  Then I wait a while, but since a few weeks, nobody complaints.  Is that because most people are not using the z3950 feature to import marc record?
14:11 kados    arsenic: I'd say it's because no-one noticed or tested it
14:11 owen     I've tested the z3950 search more recently than weeks ago
14:11 kados    oh ... I stand corrected
14:11 kados    hey owen
14:12 arsenic  owen: did you use the ISBN field?
14:12 owen     Yes, no problem.
14:13 owen     Could it be a framework issue?
14:13 arsenic  Is there a field length setting set in the framework?
14:15 arsenic  I'm using the sample data provided with the installation.  I looked at paul's demo and the problem is there too.
14:16 kados    arsenic: unimarc or marc21?
14:17 arsenic  marc21
14:17 arsenic  you see how weirdo we are in quebec... we speak french but using marc21...  :)
14:20 kados    :)
14:20 arsenic  kados: do you have the problem?
14:21 owen     arsenic: Do you know why it only allows 2 characters? Is there a "maxlength" attribute attached to the input tag?
14:22 arsenic  that what I looked at but there is no lenght attrib... looking at the .tmpl file now.
14:22 hdl      arsenic : two characters are for indicators.
14:22 hdl      not for data.
14:23 hdl      click on tag description to input data.
14:24 arsenic  hdl: that must be it...
14:25 arsenic  hdl: that's it, thanks.  I knew i was missing something...
14:26 hdl      don't mention it
14:26 arsenic  Shouldn't we put an icon beside the field to add data?  it's really not obvious that we have to click on the description...
14:33 owen     It might be confusing to a brand new user, but it's easily remembered once someone understands it
14:33 owen     I wonder if the alternative would clutter the interface in a way that outweighs its usefulness
14:34 arsenic  of course that once you know it, it's something easy to remembre.  Maybe we could just put a not in the top of the page instead
14:35 arsenic  ... a note ...
14:50 fbcit    g'morning koha
14:50 kados    morning fbcit
14:50 fbcit    owen arsenic: that got me the first time too...
14:50 fbcit    hi kados
14:51 arsenic  fbcit: hi, and thanks for making me feel better ;)
15:02 kados    arsenic, fbcit so what's this?
15:02 kados    arsenic: icon beside what field?
15:04 owen     The question is should there be some kind of indication that you have to click the tag text in order to expand the entry form in addbiblio
15:08 fbcit    I believe that expanded/contracted option is controlled in the framework setup, if I remember right.
15:14 fbcit    gmcharlt: fix-perl-path.PL worked great with your changes.
15:21 gmcharlt fbcit: good to hear
15:21 gmcharlt fbcit: so what dependent Perl modules are left?
15:21 fbcit    ZOOM which depends on YAZ
15:23 fbcit    most of the XML modules
15:23 fbcit    Schedule::At
15:24 fbcit    which will require some patching up to work either with Win32 'at' or task scheduler
15:24 fbcit    the Win32 port of YAZ does not provide the libs that ZOOM wants
15:24 fbcit    the ZOOM module author had not additional insight
15:24 gmcharlt fbcit: nice thing about Schedule::At is it's only used by one script so far; so if there's a portable scheduling module on CPAN, would be easy to switch over
15:25 fbcit    so I'm going to try compiling YAZ under cygwin and moving the libs over
15:25 fbcit    good idea on S::At
15:26 fbcit    I was working on YAZ/ZOOM last night some
15:27 fbcit    some of this stuff will probably require us maintaining a separate package of Win32 ports
15:27 fbcit    just to keep things in the realm of sanity
15:28 gmcharlt fbcit: yep, although I think the indexdata folk would be amenable to taking suggestions re the YAZ package if we make a good case
15:31 fbcit    gmcharlt: I also posted to the Net::3950::ZOOM list per the author's suggestion, but received no response to date.
15:31 fbcit    the current Koha Win32 port does not use ZOOM, correct?
15:32 gmcharlt fbcit: dunno, sorry
15:32 fbcit    kados ?
15:36 fbcit    hdl around?
15:36 hdl      yes
15:37 fbcit    hdl: I found the NoZebra issue
15:37 hdl      what was it ?
15:37 fbcit    in buildQuery, when there was no $query and only $limit
15:38 fbcit    $query was set to $limit with a white space prefixed to it
15:38 arsenic  is it possible to get a report of all checked out books?
15:39 fbcit    hdl: one moment
15:40 atz      fbcit: I thought Koha used ZOOM on all platforms
15:40 gmcharlt atz: including 2.2?
15:41 gmcharlt atz: 2.2 for Win32, I mean
15:41 fbcit    hdl: because of this and a later regex, on the second pass through NZanalyse something to this effect was produced:
15:41 fbcit    EXECUTE : biblioserver, , NF at /usr/share/kohaclone1/C4/Search.pm line 1395.
15:41 atz      ah, i see... yeah, I'm thinking 3.0
15:41 atz      don't know about earlier stuff
15:42 fbcit    hdl: so I added a conditional to buildQuery based on the existence of $query to determine whether or not to prefix the white space and
15:42 fbcit    corrected the regex in NZanalyse
15:42 hdl      atz:  Koha now use ZOOM for any z3950 research.
15:42 atz      right
15:43 fbcit    hdl: see http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=commit;h=adab2825dcaeef11d6628479e112206a4af0f8ec
15:43 fbcit    although it accidentally deletes a line which kados added back for me later last evening
15:45 hdl      +        $string =~ s/-|\.|\?|,|;|!|'|\(|\)|\[|\]|{|}|"|&|\+|\*|\///g; # we must not introduce spaces in place of these chars
15:45 hdl      I donot agree.
15:45 fbcit    ?
15:45 fbcit    brb
15:45 hdl      take this : Benjamin franklin  un américain à paris (1776-1785)
15:46 hdl      if you simply remove - and donot replace - by space, you will query 17761785 and will surely get NO results.
15:46 fbcit    ahh.. ok
15:47 hdl      This is a big bug.
15:47 fbcit    the main issue is with the parenthesis
15:47 fbcit    being changed to spaces
15:47 hdl      which parenthesis ?
15:47 hdl      In operands ?
15:48 fbcit    yes
15:48 hdl      Again, Benjamin franklin  un américain à paris (1776-1785)
15:48 hdl      you have to search for Benjamin franklin  un américain à paris 1776 1785
15:49 fbcit    in the case where only a limit is passed in, no keywords, etc
15:49 fbcit    the limit becomes the search
15:49 hdl      yes.
15:49 hdl      and it is catched in :
15:49 fbcit    when the parens are replaced with spaces
15:49 fbcit    the query is parsed incorrectly
15:50 hdl      line 1209
15:50 hdl      then parsed.
15:51 hdl      The files i sent you yesterday works :
15:51 hdl      See o10.hdlaurent.paulpoulain.com
15:53 hdl      So I donot think you patch will help. It rather will break things.
15:53 hdl      Hopefully I am wrong.
15:55 fbcit    hdl:
15:55 fbcit    Pas de réponse !
15:55 fbcit    Aucun résultat ne correspond à votre recherche “� dans le catalogue de Musée du CNAM
15:56 hdl      what have you done precisely ?
15:56 fbcit    wait
15:56 fbcit    it appears that you have no itemtype DVD?
15:56 hdl      Yes.
15:57 fbcit    selecting itemtype of books works
15:57 hdl      No items DVD now
15:57 fbcit    but I still cannot get your Search.pm to work here :(
15:57 fbcit    [Fri Dec 21 11:46:11 2007] search.pl: itemtype / = / NF
15:57 fbcit    [Fri Dec 21 11:46:11 2007] search.pl: EXECUTE : biblioserver, itemtype, NF at /usr/share/kohaclone1/C4/Search.pm line 1337.
15:57 fbcit    [Fri Dec 21 11:46:11 2007] search.pl:   mc / = / NF
15:57 fbcit    [Fri Dec 21 11:46:11 2007] search.pl: EXECUTE : biblioserver, mc, NF at /usr/share/kohaclone1/C4/Search.pm line 1337.
15:57 fbcit    fails on the second recursion
15:58 hdl      you have no index mc have you ?
15:58 fbcit    no
15:58 hdl      this is the reason.
15:59 hdl      mc or itemtype has been alternatively used by Liblime for itemtypes research.
15:59 fbcit    so should this not be installed by default?
16:00 hdl      by which default ?
16:00 fbcit    rather where is this index defined?
16:00 hdl      maybe but you can do it :
16:01 hdl      NoZebraIdexes
16:01 hdl      NoZebraIndexes in systempreferences
16:01 hdl      copy itemtype line and add it replaceing itemtype by mc.
16:02 hdl      then rebuild_nozebra.pl
16:04 hdl      btw : on the version you tested (which is 1 week old), I only had  one index used for itemtypes : mt. and the search gave :
16:06 hdl      QUERY: mt=MON at /home/hdl/Koha/Code/installations/CNAM3//C4/Search.pm
16:06 hdl       QUERY CGI: at /home/hdl/Koha/Code/installations/CNAM3//C4/Search.pm line 912.
16:06 hdl       QUERY DESC: at /home/hdl/Koha/Code/installations/CNAM3//C4/Search.pm line 913.
16:06 hdl      LIMIT:mt=MON at /home/hdl/Koha/Code/installations/CNAM3//C4/Search.pm line 914.
16:06 hdl       LIMIT CGI:&limit=mt:MON at /home/hdl/Koha/Code/installations/CNAM3//C4/Search.pm line 915.
16:06 hdl      LIMIT DESC:and mt:MON at /home/hdl/Koha/Code/installations/CNAM3//C4/Search.pm line 916.
16:06 hdl      string : mt=MON at /home/hdl/Koha/Code/installations/CNAM3//C4/Search.pm line 1254.
16:10 fbcit    hdl: works after rebuilding
16:11 fbcit    we really need to patch syspref.sql to include mc along with your other patches, though.
16:12 fbcit    hdl: what did the EXECUTE look like for the above debug?
16:16 Brooke   howdy
16:17 hdl      Hi Brooke
16:18 Brooke   bonjour henri :)
16:21 arsenic  Concerning reports created from SQL queries, is there any limitation there (eg column names)?
16:24 kados    arsenic: from the report writer you mean? if so, the answer is no
16:25 arsenic  kados: I'm trying to create a simple query like SELECT * FROM issues WHERE returndate is NULL;
16:26 kados    arsenic: use the report writer
16:27 arsenic  kados: what is the report writer exactly?
16:27 kados    arsenic: reports -> guided report writer -> circulation
16:27 kados    arsenic: if you want to do the issues query
16:28 kados    arsenic: or you could also type in the SQL directly
16:28 kados    arsenic: there's extensive help files written in there, take a look at the [?] top right of the screen
16:48 arsenic  ok... i guess that (again) i'm may be missing something... (btw, thanks for pointing me the contextual help :)
16:50 arsenic  Ok.  I'm building a new report.  Step 1: Circulation, Step 2: Tabular, Step 3: ??? what should i use to get only the current issues...?!
16:51 arsenic  let's say I'd like to have the barcode and title of the currently issued items.
16:59 paul     time to leave for me. I'll be back after christmas.
16:59 paul     merry christmas to everyone here.
16:59 owen     Merry Christmas, paul!
16:59 arsenic  Bon temps des fêtes Paul.  Repose toi bien
17:00 Brooke   Merry Christmas paul
17:01 Brooke   Joyeux Noël
17:01 atz      i trust you'll be eating well and enjoying the holiday, paul!
17:11 hdl      kados: about guided report, is it forecast to allow people to use Distinct for lists ?
17:11 hdl      is there any difference at the moment between tabular matrix and summary ?
17:12 hdl      will there be ?
17:12 kados    hdl: there will be in a future version
17:12 kados    hdl: no difference currently
17:18 arsenic  Is it possible to set holidays for all branches at once?
17:20 kados    arsenic: I think there used to be a 'default' branch ... is that gone now?
17:20 arsenic  kados: i guess so.. let me double check
17:20 arsenic  kados: yes, it's gone.
17:21 kados    arsenic: can you file a bug please?
17:21 arsenic  sure
17:26 arsenic  other than paul's one, is there any staff client demo for koha 3 availables?
17:31 kados    nothing official yet
17:31 kados    liblime will have one shortly after the release
17:34 arsenic  ok.  It would be nice to have one created from every days latest version...
17:35 kados    I agree
17:38 arsenic  do you also encounter the following search problem.  Launch a search in the advance search page. Use the back button of your browser.  Press the OK button to re-launch the search.  Nothing happens (but sadness)
17:41 kados    arsenic: staff client? or opac?
17:41 kados    arsenic: zebra or nozebra?
17:41 arsenic  opac, nz
17:41 arsenic  But i remembre of seeing it on paul's opac too
17:43 kados    arsenic: I don't have that problem
17:46 hdl      Merry Christmas every body.
17:47 hdl      See you. in 10 days.
17:47 kados    ciao hdl
17:47 arsenic  ciao hdl
17:48 arsenic  kados: hmm... are you using FF?
17:48 kados    yes
17:50 fbcit    Merry Christmas hdl
17:51 arsenic  kados: I'm experiencing the problem on http://zoomopac.liblime.com/search
17:52 kados    arsenic: sounds like a browser problem then
17:58 arsenic  kados: you are right.  It seems to be related to FF on Vista...?!
17:59 kados    weird
18:44 arsenic  i remember that in 2.2, there was a problem with the circulation rules matrix.  We had to fill every cells to get the desired result.  It seems that it still the case with 3.0.  Anybody can confirm?
18:45 arsenic  If I set 25,5 in the Total/Default cell, i can still loan a 6th book to a borrower without being notified.
19:01 [K]      *** join #koha@FreeNode: maktrix n=mak@59.152.90.138
19:01 kados    arsenic: really!
19:01 kados    arsenic: can you file a bug for that?
19:06 arsenic  kados: yep
19:07 kados    thanks
19:30 fbcit    their dropping like files...
19:30 fbcit    s/flies/flys/g
19:32 kados    hehe
19:32 arsenic  In which files the warn"xxxxx" from the .pl file are supposed to be logged?
19:32 kados    apache log files
19:33 fbcit    *grimace*
19:33 arsenic  hehe
19:33 arsenic  is there a setting that must be set to see them?
19:34 kados    no, just check your koha-httpd.conf file for where they are located
19:34 fbcit    $DEBUG
19:35 kados    oh
19:35 kados    right
19:35 fbcit    if you want to be overrun...
19:36 kados    that's just for the warns in C4/Search.pm though, right?
19:36 fbcit    there are several $DEBUG's floating around various files that I have seen
19:36 fbcit    though not all warn's are conditioned by it
19:37 fbcit    some files look at ENV $DEBUG
19:38 kados    yea, someone changed that and I've no idea how it's ever set
19:38 kados    atz: was that you?
19:39 kados    atz: how does one turn on $DEBUG now?
19:39 atz      that is my style, yes... but some DEBUG's pre-existed
19:39 kados    atz: a+ for style, but how does it work? :-)
19:39 atz      i want to write a front-to-back style guide for debug
19:39 fbcit    hehe
19:40 kados    heh
19:40 fbcit    maybe we can do $DEBUG_atz $DEBUG_fbcit, etc
19:41 kados    hehe
19:41 atz      mine are tripped by non-zero $ENV{DEBUG}, set in the BEGIN{} block  to a local variable $debug
19:42 atz      separately, some scripts provide feedback on CGI param('debug')
19:42 atz      note: ENV should never be SET by CGI param
19:43 atz      there appears to be some hard coded debug stuff
19:43 atz      and separately, a user syspref (??)
19:43 fbcit    least intrusive
19:43 kados    works for me
19:44 atz      actually, there are valid reasons to use the others' styles too  :\
19:44 kados    there's a syspref that sets the debug level for Carp
19:44 atz      my style reflects that most of my work is at the command line
19:44 atz      owen might prefer the CGI param, for example
19:44 kados    *nod*
19:44 atz      the one I know least about the syspref
19:45 fbcit    module DEBUG.....
19:45 atz      i have not seen that used anywhere
19:45 kados    afaik it's only used for the carp stuff
19:45 atz      ah... ok, not much then
19:46 kados    would it make sense to appropriate that for debug level to trigger your BEGIN block?
19:46 kados    I'm all for ENV, but that's tricky to enable for testing when using the web interaces
19:46 atz      yeah, these are really separate ideas
19:47 atz      most of my module level stuff outputs to STDERR or warn
19:48 atz      meaning if you testing via web, the messages end up in the log
19:49 atz      so you don't want to enable the module level debug from a CGI param (though you might want the reverse)
19:49 kados    doesn't warn send output to stderr?
19:49 atz      yeah, same destination, different formatting
19:50 kados    I guess from my POV, it'd be darned useful to be able to trigger a module level debug from a cgi param
19:50 atz      part of the value of using ENV is that it has no dependencies (CGI or Context)
19:51 atz      kados: yeah, but not as a permanent feature of the system, where any user could start dropping 50 lines per request into the error log
19:52 atz      i would like to see more CGI-responsiveness to a debug param
19:53 kados    so what about : syspref turns on debug globally, including the ability to add cgi debug params
19:53 atz      but again, i think of this as related but distinct from the lower level debugging
19:55 atz      i'm not sure.
19:56 gmcharlt kados, atz: from my point of view, need ability to turn on debugging (i.e., messages to Apache error log) without needing APache reload
19:56 atz      it would possible for that to work smoothly
19:57 gmcharlt so perhaps something like $debug enabled if either env var is present or a syspref is defined
19:57 atz      gmcharlt: send   ?debug=1 to memberentry.pl and see what happens  :)
19:57 gmcharlt atz: not useful in customer support situation
19:58 atz      how so/?
19:58 gmcharlt i.e., shoudl be able to tell user to turn on syspref, then send customer support log
19:58 gmcharlt if tell user to start munging URLs, more difficult, especically if trying to trace a multi-page transaction
19:59 atz      that makes sense
20:01 kados    yea, I like the syspref method
20:01 atz      some of my debug stuff has levels... like: ($debug>3) and warn "some big complex dump"
20:01 gmcharlt so how about this:
20:02 gmcharlt check for DEBUG env var and syspref is done ones, in C4::Context
20:02 atz      this would be useful to maintain
20:02 fbcit    atz: I have used that elsewhere too... works nicely
20:02 atz      any problem w/ a 0-9 convention ?
20:02 gmcharlt other modules take debug setting from (say) C4::Context->debug(), or perhaps we even export a koha_debug_level() or something
20:03 gmcharlt and per atz: depending on programmer, that passed $debug value can have levels
20:03 gmcharlt 0 = no debug info produced
20:03 gmcharlt 1-9 levels
20:03 gmcharlt and if a particular module doesn't need to worry about levels of reporting, $debug and warn("xxx") still works just fine
20:04 atz      right, that's the idea
20:04 fbcit    we could add a page to ship the log to support as well
20:04 kados    yea, that's ideal
20:04 gmcharlt and perhaps instead of doing a $debug and warn all the time, may just have C4::Context export a koha_carp function
20:05 gmcharlt so that you would just do koha_debug("xxx");
20:05 gmcharlt (yes, I know that I just changed sub names)
20:05 kados    that would be very cool
20:05 kados    (:))
20:05 fbcit    module DEBUG...
20:05 atz      gmcharlt: not sure I'd want to go that far
20:05 arsenic  I would go for a koha_trace("xxx");
20:05 kados    fbcit: yea, we could use a debug module
20:05 kados    this discussion should be moved to koha-devel
20:06 kados    any volunteers for spearheading that?
20:06 gmcharlt could allow several names -- koha_trace, koha_debug, etc., to express different levels
20:06 arsenic  with eventually a level param.  koha_trace(3, "my level 3 warning");
20:07 gmcharlt atz: what would be too far?
20:07 atz      gmcharlt: so we'd be making a bunch of calls to koha_trace without knowing whether or not they will be used, because the debug level would be encapsulated?
20:08 gmcharlt atz: yeah, but there would always be a runtime evalulation, either at the begging on koha_trace
20:08 gmcharlt or in the context of a $debug and warn contruct
20:08 gmcharlt so question is whether sub invocation is too expensive
20:09 atz      the latter is preferable only ....
20:09 gmcharlt not sure that it would be, unless people start putting in a lot of these
20:09 atz      because the dump messages can be pretty big
20:09 atz      and shouldn't bother to be assembled unless they will be used
20:09 gmcharlt atz: ah, I see, evaulation of the contents of the debug message
20:10 atz      right, assembling the message itself should be avoided in normal operation
20:15 gmcharlt atz: we could always use a source filter to deal with this ;-)
20:16 gmcharlt but seriously, it looks like it would have to be $debug and koha_trace("xxx") [or koha_trace("xxx") if $debug]
20:16 gmcharlt so atz, will you raise this on koha-devel?
20:20 atz      the tactical side of me says write the style guide first  :)
20:21 kados    fair enough, if you want to, write a style guide as a proposal, and release it as an RFC to koha-devel
20:21 kados    I'd use the koha wiki
20:21 kados    but my pref would be to keep it brief for now, in case someone objects ... ie, don't spend a ton of time on it :-)
20:22 atz      right
20:22 kados    'release early, often'
20:22 atz      any of this overhaul is after the release, obviously
20:23 atz      but we should have a stronger convention on debugging
20:23 gmcharlt atz: we should have *a* convention on debugging ;-)
20:24 atz      well put
20:25 [K]      *** part FreeNode!#koha: maktrix n=mak@59.152.90.138
21:34 arsenic  fcbit, did you mention that just by setting the $DEBUG, i should get the warn message in my apache log file? (yeah, I still trying to figure out this)
23:05 arsenic  hey!  I remember seeing a thread talking about if it was ok or not to be able to get the patrons' reading history in the staff client.  What was the final conclusion about this?  Is this an option?
23:05 arsenic  it was a question about the personal information protection, brough by paul if my memory serves me well
23:07 kados    it is an option, you can enable it in sysprefs
23:09 arsenic  I guess is either ReadingHistory or intranetreadinghistory.  There are both set to true and I can see anything related to reading history in the patron's page...
23:37 arsenic  ok, it seems that the reading history is because that the intranetreadinghistory flag never goes through the template params...
23:38 kados    arsenic: sounds like another bug in 3.0
23:38 kados    arsenic: works fine in 2.2 and dev_week
23:38 arsenic  why is there some hardcoded category_type?  C and A seems to be reserved for children and adult...
23:39 kados    yes, that is a new 'feature' of 3.0
23:39 kados    you have types of categories
23:39 arsenic  oh, is this the super categories?
23:39 kados    the types are hardcoded, the categories are not
23:39 kados    yes
23:39 arsenic  ok.  I'll fill a bug for the reading history stuff.
23:40 kados    arsenic++ thanks
03:28 fbcit    kados: around?
04:03 arsenic  fcbit: still working on a friday night?! :)