Time  Nick       Message
04:50 Brooke     *nod*
04:49 chris      so one handed typing
04:49 chris      im feeding Kahurangi dinner
04:49 chris      sorta
04:48 Brooke     anyone around?
21:47 fbcit      ttyl
21:46 fbcit      then on monday I'll pick up here.
21:45 fbcit      ahh..
21:45 kados      that's fine, that's all cpan does anyway
21:44 fbcit      ie perl makefile.pl && make && make install...
21:44 fbcit      I installed the last two from the command line...
21:43 kados      with that script I sent you
21:43 kados      easy to uninstall them though
21:43 kados      I wouldn't recommend it
21:43 fbcit      kados: will having three flavors of MARC::File::XML installed be an issue?
21:40 fbcit      got it...
21:40 kados      Using incompatible version of XML::SAX::LibXML and libxml2  ...
21:40 kados      fbcit: pint #4 especially
21:40 kados      fbcit: there's a bit of background there, I'd take some time to read that if you have a moment
21:40 kados      fbcit: http://www.mail-archive.com/perl4lib@perl.org/msg01006.html
21:39 kados      sent
21:39 fbcit      cnighswonger@gmail.com
21:38 kados      fbcit: email address?
21:38 kados      lemme give you this script ... just a sec
21:38 fbcit      libxml-libxml-perl is not configured...
21:38 kados      there's an easy solution
21:37 kados      yea, it will, because you've already got it installed
21:37 fbcit      apt blows chunks on it right now.
21:37 kados      that CPAN can't install for you
21:37 kados      like libxml2
21:37 kados      C-library ones
21:37 kados      because it has dependencies
21:37 fbcit      ?
21:37 kados      esp XML::Simple should be installed by your debian package
21:37 kados      actually, Id' recommend agains that now that I think about it
21:36 fbcit      I'll try the install-CPAN.pl script first after a clean install.
21:36 fbcit      me 2.
21:35 kados      :-)
21:35 kados      sorry, hopefully your pain will lead to a more sane installation procedure
21:35 kados      k
21:35 fbcit      kados: I have to head out. I think on monday I'll start over with a fresh install of debian.
21:31 kados      the C library
21:31 kados      you're probably missing libxml2
21:31 kados      apt-get install libxml-simple-perl
21:31 kados      you'll want to delete your cpan one and do:
21:30 fbcit      I CPAN'd XML::SAX...
21:30 kados      you'll want to do :
21:30 kados      ahh, you must be missing the SAX parser
21:30 fbcit      it also cannot find ParserDetails.ini....
21:29 fbcit      Makefile.PL warns 'prerequisite MARC::File::XML 0.86 not found'
21:29 kados      jesus, there are like 40 patches today
21:28 kados      what error are you getting?
21:28 kados      huh, weird
21:28 kados      fbcit: sup?
21:27 fbcit      argghhh...
21:27 kados      wonder where he's been the last few weeks
21:27 kados      we need to bug MJ about this
21:27 kados      maybe it compiles a tgz for you, I dunno :-)
21:26 kados      fbcit: maybe just make something up?
21:25 kados      fbcit: any luck?
21:19 kados      huh, I'm not sure
21:19 fbcit      kados: where should 'path/to/koha.tgz' be? I see no such file.
21:14 kados      I think that's what it's supposed to do
21:13 fbcit      I was unclear on install-CPAN... does it install all necessary modules...
21:13 kados      maybe
21:13 kados      install-CPAN.pl
21:13 kados      I bet if you used install-CPAN it would work
21:12 kados      ahhh
21:12 fbcit      makefile checks for 0.86...
21:11 fbcit      ended up with 0.88_1...
21:08 kados      fbcit: if that doesnt work, install 0.86
21:06 kados      control_characters--
21:06 kados      stripping out the tilda
21:06 kados      it's my screen session
21:06 fbcit      http://search.cpan.org/~kados/MARC-XML-0.87/lib/MARC/File/XML.pm
21:06 kados      ahh, I know
21:05 fbcit      Ahhh ~kados/
21:05 kados      huh ...
21:05 kados      http://search.cpan.org/dos/MARC-XML-0.87/
21:05 kados      oops
21:05 kados      http://search.cpan.org/dos/MARC-XML-0.87/
21:05 fbcit      maybe /kados/MARC....?
21:04 fbcit      hrmm... "Not Found"
21:03 kados      look for Latest Release:
21:03 kados      http://search.cpan.org/dos/MARC-XML-0.87/lib/MARC/File/XML.pm
21:03 fbcit      kados: where to get it?
21:02 kados      fbcit: try the development version, I know some folks had trouble installing the 0.87 version
21:02 kados      fbcit: I just pushed up a new version of MARC::File::XML
21:00 fbcit      unrelated I think...
21:00 fbcit      I also get 'Makefile.PL could not find ParserDetails.ini'
20:59 fbcit      I'm going to remove it and reinstall.
20:59 chris      ah well, if you get weird xml errors we'll know why :-)
20:58 fbcit      Makefile.PL does not see it, but cpan does.
20:57 fbcit      it was failing on 'make test'...
20:55 chris      hmm whats the error its giving you?
20:46 fbcit      chris: is it ok to force install of MARC::File::XML?
20:39 fbcit      hehe
20:39 chris      and learn to type while im at it
20:39 chris      so ill take taht out of hte Makefile.PL
20:38 chris      nothing using it
20:38 chris      i just did a grep "use Event" -r *
20:38 chris      yep
20:38 fbcit      I assume all other modules are needed...?
20:36 chris      ahh ill fix that
20:36 fbcit      *checks
20:36 fbcit      tnx. Makefile.PL still check for it.
20:35 chris      we dont needit
20:35 chris      the z3950 stuff used to use it, but with the new net::z3950::zoom
20:35 fbcit      seems I remember kados mentioning it was not used any longer
20:35 chris      not afaik
20:35 fbcit      chris: does 3.0 use Event?
19:55 rh         that is good to know
19:55 chris      you can watch progress at http://git.koha.org/gitstat/
19:55 rh         oh really?
19:55 chris      and which we are doing final bugfixing on at the moment
19:54 chris      id wait for 3.0 which comes with zebra
19:54 chris      so there for everyone to use
19:54 chris      all the code for zoom is in cvs
19:53 chris      the latter
19:53 rh         oh also.. is kohaZOOM a product by the liblime guys.. or is everything liblime does just using koha and implementing it themselves
19:52 rh         The organization wants the ability to grow.. how fast and how big is yet to be determined.. so I'd rather have something that can scale
19:51 rh         cool.. yeah I haven't set this up locally yet so I havent gotten an idea for everything
19:50 chris      but thats way overkill :-)
19:50 chris      im actually watching hte logs of a 3m self check machine talking to koha right now
19:50 chris      if you see kados around ask him about it :)
19:50 rh         oh
19:50 chris      for reserves yes
19:49 chris      ahh yeah there is a selfcheckout module for Koha
19:49 rh         wouldnt librarian intervention be required there?
19:49 rh         I tried looking at the opac for the self checkout.. i saw where you can reserve a book .. but then it just goes to pending status
19:49 chris      its in use from libraries about that size, thru to millions of items
19:48 chris      right, Koha will work fine for that
19:48 rh         well they only want one part time librarian i think.. the purpose is to automate checkout
19:48 chris      librarians might freak out at that, but it will probably work just fine
19:47 chris      right
19:47 rh         we are actually implementing a google search box in with the portal... so really we can have that crawl a catalog
19:46 rh         I'd say acquisitions and patron managment are more of a requirement than a searchable catalog
19:45 chris      ie acquisitions, circulation, patron management etc .. or just a searchable catalog?
19:45 chris      do they actually want to run a library with it, or just an catalog search?
19:45 rh         or also do you happen to have any ideas for more lightweight library apps?
19:44 chris      yeah is just a big webapp
19:44 rh         is it easy to scale down koha and just use the peices you want?
19:43 chris      *nod*
19:43 rh         yeah i agree.. but they originally specd out inmagic genie.. which is just as bad
19:42 chris      koha might be overkill for that
19:42 chris      ahh
19:42 rh         its a portal integration with a bunch of different 3rd party apps.. they have some requirements for a library that will only contain about 300 books or so
19:39 chris      whats the project?
19:39 chris      cool
19:37 rh         hey whats up.. im checking out koha for a possibility on a project.. figured i'd  join the channel
19:37 chris      hi rh
19:33 chris      but hei aha, at least the sun is shining :-)
19:29 chris      so it could be worse
19:29 chris      at least we have the green and maori party in parliament asking questions
19:28 chris      without heavily armed police bashing down doors
19:27 chris      of which hundreds of ppl are charged every year
19:27 chris      its pretty much all wait and see now, see if anyone actually gets charged for anything other than unlawful firearm possesion
19:25 rex        yeah
19:24 chris      it was very 'coincidental' the did the raids on the very day that the amendment to the terrorism suppression act was being read
19:21 chris      i think Hone Harawira summed it up best "Govt not doing well in the polls, time to bash some Maori"
19:21 rex        yeah. I think they fall more in the "cracker" category than "redneck" :D
19:21 chris      as you will see by reading the comments
19:21 chris      and nz has tons of rednecks
19:20 chris      oh yeah, police being retards
19:19 rex        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/feature/story.cfm?c_id=1501154&objectid=10470189
19:19 rex        what's up w/this?
19:17 chris      nice and sunny outside
19:17 chris      so far so good
19:15 rex        howzit?
19:15 rex        aloha no
19:15 chris      Aloha rex
18:44 chris      sweet
18:43 fbcit      chris: did 'apt-get install libnet-z3950-zoom-perl' and we're off...
18:38 chris      id make install it anyway :)
18:38 chris      there are a multitude of reasons why that might not work
18:38 chris      it tries to connect to a z3950 server
18:38 chris      yeah
18:36 fbcit      chris: any thoughts on why Net::Z3950::ZOOM would fail on make test?
18:12 chris      if you get stuck, sing out
18:12 chris      no problem
18:11 AKLIBRAIAN Thanks for your help.
18:11 AKLIBRAIAN so 2.2.9 will work with mysql 5  I will try it and let you know how easy it was for me later.  I have a class to teach now.
18:10 AKLIBRAIAN I am happy to pay for the services, just don't overcharge me.
18:10 chris      *nod*
18:10 AKLIBRAIAN They would charge a school of 1700 kids a reasonable price, but I get charged 15 times the price.
18:10 chris      but=buy
18:10 chris      ie if i but some software, i should be able to do with it whatever i like
18:09 AKLIBRAIAN I don't mind giving them money, if they understand that I am a district of 15 sites -- but that is only 1700 jkids.
18:09 chris      i hate paying for stuff and not owning it
18:09 AKLIBRAIAN The software doesn't do all you want it to and it takes forever for them to fix things.
18:09 chris      thats how i feed my family
18:09 chris      i dont mind giving them money
18:08 AKLIBRAIAN That is why I am here.  I hate giving money to software builders.
18:08 chris      ahh this was after ubuntu was started, i wish i could have said that :)
18:08 chris      and the good thing with linux is, you are allowed to learn the right words without having to pay exorbitant amounts of money to someone
18:08 AKLIBRAIAN You are suppose to say that something you said was the impetus of Ubuntu too.
18:07 chris      exactly
18:07 AKLIBRAIAN Wow, that is good name dropping.
18:07 AKLIBRAIAN I figure the computer is just a machine.  I might have to know the right words, but I can learn them.
18:06 chris      it pretty much just works
18:06 chris      ubuntu is pretty sweet
18:05 AKLIBRAIAN Last night someone who programs in Linux said I was trying to hard and this may be out of my learning curve.
18:04 chris      hehe
18:04 AKLIBRAIAN I think I love my Linux machiine.
18:04 chris      lemme just check that i havent put you wrong, but afaik 2.2.9 works with 5 .. is that right paul?
18:04 AKLIBRAIAN I am happy now because I took my MAC away for a fix and I am actually chatting in this room.  I have been trying that for a year.
18:03 AKLIBRAIAN Which version is that?  IF it uses 5 then I think I am close to being ready to install.
18:03 chris      the latest version of koha works with mysql 5
18:03 AKLIBRAIAN Not web browser sorry.  I am trying to set up a machine to run Koha.
18:03 chris      get 5
18:03 chris      ahh
18:02 AKLIBRAIAN The problem comes in getting mysql server 4.1
18:02 chris      i use firefox
18:02 AKLIBRAIAN Ubuntu
18:02 chris      ahh, a linux web browser darla?
18:02 chris      cool
18:02 AKLIBRAIAN Chris you were right on who this is.
18:02 paul_      ok. I'll just send the new patches in a few minuts (nothing major)
18:02 chris      yep, you shoudl get emails when i apply them and forward them to joshua
18:01 paul_      (with 2 translations, thus the .tgz)
18:01 chris      yep, unpacking those now paul
18:01 AKLIBRAIAN I am trying to set up a Linux Browser and it is not being nice to me.
18:01 paul_      nope, yesterday
18:01 chris      sent today your time?
18:01 paul_      a quick question before leaving : do you have recieved my 17 tgz patches ?
18:01 AKLIBRAIAN I need some help
18:00 AKLIBRAIAN Hi Chris.
18:00 paul_      hi chris.
18:00 chris      heya darla
17:46 fbcit      tnx
17:46 chris      CPAN is up to date now
17:45 chris      yep
17:45 fbcit      is it ok to install MARC::Record via CPAN?
17:21 atz        Web2 wouldn't display them, or couldn't return hits if the query included them, etc.
17:20 atz        we had ongoing problems with diacritics...
17:19 atz        it's all on the back end
17:19 atz        right
17:17 dbs        they were just ANSEL-encoded text files for the body of the message, that had the relevant data (user name, date, overdue book biblio info) prepended or appended to it
17:16 dbs        but the notices have nothing to do with workflows (as you're probably aware)
17:15 dbs        C Workflows
17:14 atz        asterisk is a weird character to substitute... usually I see space, square, '?' or some non-displaying value
17:11 atz        are you running java workflows?
17:07 atz        yeah, it looks bad... too bad language and character set were such an afterthought to Unicorn
17:07 dbs        yup, we're an officially bilingual university, so this is a *very bad thing*.
17:05 atz        that's the one
17:04 atz        New Brunswick
17:03 atz        so his provincial library was constitutionally required to provide services in both languages (user's choice)
17:01 atz        the canadian province that is officially bilingual
17:01 atz        he was from em.... price edward islands?  no... the other one...
17:00 atz        dbs: there was a guy in my training class that was send there JUST for that
17:00 paul       ah, ok.
17:00 dbs        don't worry :)
17:00 dbs        paul: this is with our unicorn system
17:00 dbs        SD support doesn't have a clue how to fix it.
17:00 paul       where, when, since what ?
17:00 dbs        Yes, instead of é à our users get * *. Horrible.
16:59 paul       ???
16:59 dbs        notices to our french-language users have broken accented characters, and labels / dates in English
16:58 atz        dbs: what is the problem you have presently?
16:58 dbs        paul: please send some fine french food this way!
16:58 dbs        atz: understood
16:55 paul       almost time for dinner in france... I smell some food...
16:55 atz        ... saying I think I take legal issues more seriously than they (at least the former mgmt) do.)
16:55 fbcit      paul:tnx. the rest works ok.
16:55 atz        (i didn't want to get into on list, but that is what i referred to obliquely...
16:54 gmcharlt   ouch
16:54 atz        and then, the clincher, was their decade-long ripping off open source
16:53 atz        :(
16:53 dbs        suffering that right here, right now atz
16:53 atz        the funny part about that is how often their own updates, or just old buggy code caused errors for our production instances
16:52 paul       fbcit: i'm not a git geek, i'm afraid you will have to ask someone else.
16:52 dbs        it's a great racket
16:52 atz        right
16:52 dbs        your former employer
16:52 dbs        atz: well, it's your employer who presumably signed the contract with SD agreeing that they wouldn't be eligible for the special (read: extra $$) CC support available for API-related mishaps unless they had API-certified people
16:51 paul_      yep, even free software are "closed by knowledge" : if we give you the source code without any help, it's quite useless. Same if we don't open our tools & docs as well. (of, it's not the case of Koha. and a lack of doc is more due to time than decision...)
16:51 atz        and then they teach you that the "prtuser" command is for printing info about users...
16:51 fbcit      paul_:ok, got it... but git config --global commands seem not to work here.
16:50 atz        they must believe they're getting something out of it
16:50 atz        gmcharlt: certainly, since my employer (and dozens of others) send their staff to attend
16:49 gmcharlt   atz: that perception not limited to SirsiDynix, btw :)
16:49 paul_      fbcit : try git-core ?
16:49 atz        it's bizarre how secret/valuable they imagine it is
16:46 dbs        atz: it's your sirsidynix api training causing mental blocks
16:43 fbcit      ping kados
16:41 fbcit      by what name to I apt-get "git"?
15:11 paul       http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1513
15:08 owen       You can just paste this conversation as the description
15:08 paul       OK
15:08 paul       - click again => hide everything
15:08 owen       Can you file a bug? I'm about to leave for an afternoon meeting and won't be able to work on it until tomorrow
15:08 paul       - when the user clic => show everything
15:08 paul       - show all filled fields
15:08 paul       but the correct behaviour would be :
15:07 paul       if you click again, you get the opposite.
15:07 paul       Thus all filled fields are hidden, and all empty fields are displayed.
15:07 paul       You use the toggle() when the user clic on ExpanField.
15:07 paul       all filled subfields are expanded automatically.
15:07 paul       when open to MODIFY a biblio.
15:06 paul       owen, i've found a small bug on addbiblio.
15:05 paul       very easy when you know how to make it work !
15:05 paul       GOT it !
15:04 paul       am I right ?
15:04 paul               <!--  /TMPL_LOOP --></ul>
15:04 paul                   <!-- /TMPL_IF --></li>
15:04 paul                       <a href="/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl#tab<!-- TMPL_VAR name="number" -->XX"><!-- TMPL_VAR name="number"--></a>
15:04 paul                   <!-- TMPL_ELSE -->
15:04 paul                       <a href="/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl#tab<!-- TMPL_VAR name="number" -->XX"><!-- TMPL_VAR name="number"--></a>
15:04 paul                 <li>  <!-- TMPL_IF name="number" -->
15:04 paul       	<ul><!-- TMPL_LOOP name="BIG_LOOP" -->
15:04 paul       <div id="addbibliotabs" class="toptabs numbered">
15:04 paul       the tab list is :
15:04 paul       oups, it's the tab content...
15:04 paul           <div id="tab<!-- TMPL_VAR name="number" -->XX">
15:04 paul       2- have the tab list in :
15:04 owen       Right, where #addbibliotabs is the ID of the containing div
15:03 paul       	 });
15:03 paul        		$('#addbibliotabs').tabs();
15:03 paul       	 $(document).ready(function() {
15:03 paul       - to run the function at the beginning :
15:03 paul       and you just need :
15:01 owen        /intranet-tmpl/prog/en/lib/jquery/plugins/jquery.tabs.css
15:01 owen        /intranet-tmpl/prog/en/lib/jquery/plugins/jquery.tabs.pack.js
15:01 owen        /intranet-tmpl/prog/en/lib/jquery/jquery.js
15:00 paul       )
15:00 paul       by what/who ? (as my script is special, so don't use classic tmpl include
15:00 owen       So the tabs you put together for MARCdetail are jquery, not YUI
15:00 owen       No. The tab system I've been using is not YUI, it's jquery, and all the required js is already included globally
14:59 paul       - <!-- TMPL_INCLUDE NAME="yui-toolbars.inc" -->
14:59 paul       we need :
14:59 paul       owen : a quick question about YUI tabbing (i'm working on a specific plugin)
14:58 paul       doesn't that mean : "someone else already did that" ?
14:58 atz        i haven't figured out why
14:57 atz        my patches have been failing to merge.  git says they're "not applicable"
14:55 owen       Yes, sometimes there are disadvantages to having so few people
14:54 paul       or not yet arrived in main repo
14:53 paul       how are things ?
14:51 owen       Hi paul
14:33 owen       kados around?