Time Nick Message 04:50 Brooke *nod* 04:49 chris so one handed typing 04:49 chris im feeding Kahurangi dinner 04:49 chris sorta 04:48 Brooke anyone around? 21:47 fbcit ttyl 21:46 fbcit then on monday I'll pick up here. 21:45 fbcit ahh.. 21:45 kados that's fine, that's all cpan does anyway 21:44 fbcit ie perl makefile.pl && make && make install... 21:44 fbcit I installed the last two from the command line... 21:43 kados with that script I sent you 21:43 kados easy to uninstall them though 21:43 kados I wouldn't recommend it 21:43 fbcit kados: will having three flavors of MARC::File::XML installed be an issue? 21:40 fbcit got it... 21:40 kados Using incompatible version of XML::SAX::LibXML and libxml2 ... 21:40 kados fbcit: pint #4 especially 21:40 kados fbcit: there's a bit of background there, I'd take some time to read that if you have a moment 21:40 kados fbcit: http://www.mail-archive.com/perl4lib@perl.org/msg01006.html 21:39 kados sent 21:39 fbcit cnighswonger@gmail.com 21:38 kados fbcit: email address? 21:38 kados lemme give you this script ... just a sec 21:38 fbcit libxml-libxml-perl is not configured... 21:38 kados there's an easy solution 21:37 kados yea, it will, because you've already got it installed 21:37 fbcit apt blows chunks on it right now. 21:37 kados that CPAN can't install for you 21:37 kados like libxml2 21:37 kados C-library ones 21:37 kados because it has dependencies 21:37 fbcit ? 21:37 kados esp XML::Simple should be installed by your debian package 21:37 kados actually, Id' recommend agains that now that I think about it 21:36 fbcit I'll try the install-CPAN.pl script first after a clean install. 21:36 fbcit me 2. 21:35 kados :-) 21:35 kados sorry, hopefully your pain will lead to a more sane installation procedure 21:35 kados k 21:35 fbcit kados: I have to head out. I think on monday I'll start over with a fresh install of debian. 21:31 kados the C library 21:31 kados you're probably missing libxml2 21:31 kados apt-get install libxml-simple-perl 21:31 kados you'll want to delete your cpan one and do: 21:30 fbcit I CPAN'd XML::SAX... 21:30 kados you'll want to do : 21:30 kados ahh, you must be missing the SAX parser 21:30 fbcit it also cannot find ParserDetails.ini.... 21:29 fbcit Makefile.PL warns 'prerequisite MARC::File::XML 0.86 not found' 21:29 kados jesus, there are like 40 patches today 21:28 kados what error are you getting? 21:28 kados huh, weird 21:28 kados fbcit: sup? 21:27 fbcit argghhh... 21:27 kados wonder where he's been the last few weeks 21:27 kados we need to bug MJ about this 21:27 kados maybe it compiles a tgz for you, I dunno :-) 21:26 kados fbcit: maybe just make something up? 21:25 kados fbcit: any luck? 21:19 kados huh, I'm not sure 21:19 fbcit kados: where should 'path/to/koha.tgz' be? I see no such file. 21:14 kados I think that's what it's supposed to do 21:13 fbcit I was unclear on install-CPAN... does it install all necessary modules... 21:13 kados maybe 21:13 kados install-CPAN.pl 21:13 kados I bet if you used install-CPAN it would work 21:12 kados ahhh 21:12 fbcit makefile checks for 0.86... 21:11 fbcit ended up with 0.88_1... 21:08 kados fbcit: if that doesnt work, install 0.86 21:06 kados control_characters-- 21:06 kados stripping out the tilda 21:06 kados it's my screen session 21:06 fbcit http://search.cpan.org/~kados/MARC-XML-0.87/lib/MARC/File/XML.pm 21:06 kados ahh, I know 21:05 fbcit Ahhh ~kados/ 21:05 kados huh ... 21:05 kados http://search.cpan.org/dos/MARC-XML-0.87/ 21:05 kados oops 21:05 kados http://search.cpan.org/dos/MARC-XML-0.87/ 21:05 fbcit maybe /kados/MARC....? 21:04 fbcit hrmm... "Not Found" 21:03 kados look for Latest Release: 21:03 kados http://search.cpan.org/dos/MARC-XML-0.87/lib/MARC/File/XML.pm 21:03 fbcit kados: where to get it? 21:02 kados fbcit: try the development version, I know some folks had trouble installing the 0.87 version 21:02 kados fbcit: I just pushed up a new version of MARC::File::XML 21:00 fbcit unrelated I think... 21:00 fbcit I also get 'Makefile.PL could not find ParserDetails.ini' 20:59 fbcit I'm going to remove it and reinstall. 20:59 chris ah well, if you get weird xml errors we'll know why :-) 20:58 fbcit Makefile.PL does not see it, but cpan does. 20:57 fbcit it was failing on 'make test'... 20:55 chris hmm whats the error its giving you? 20:46 fbcit chris: is it ok to force install of MARC::File::XML? 20:39 fbcit hehe 20:39 chris and learn to type while im at it 20:39 chris so ill take taht out of hte Makefile.PL 20:38 chris nothing using it 20:38 chris i just did a grep "use Event" -r * 20:38 chris yep 20:38 fbcit I assume all other modules are needed...? 20:36 chris ahh ill fix that 20:36 fbcit *checks 20:36 fbcit tnx. Makefile.PL still check for it. 20:35 chris we dont needit 20:35 chris the z3950 stuff used to use it, but with the new net::z3950::zoom 20:35 fbcit seems I remember kados mentioning it was not used any longer 20:35 chris not afaik 20:35 fbcit chris: does 3.0 use Event? 19:55 rh that is good to know 19:55 chris you can watch progress at http://git.koha.org/gitstat/ 19:55 rh oh really? 19:55 chris and which we are doing final bugfixing on at the moment 19:54 chris id wait for 3.0 which comes with zebra 19:54 chris so there for everyone to use 19:54 chris all the code for zoom is in cvs 19:53 chris the latter 19:53 rh oh also.. is kohaZOOM a product by the liblime guys.. or is everything liblime does just using koha and implementing it themselves 19:52 rh The organization wants the ability to grow.. how fast and how big is yet to be determined.. so I'd rather have something that can scale 19:51 rh cool.. yeah I haven't set this up locally yet so I havent gotten an idea for everything 19:50 chris but thats way overkill :-) 19:50 chris im actually watching hte logs of a 3m self check machine talking to koha right now 19:50 chris if you see kados around ask him about it :) 19:50 rh oh 19:50 chris for reserves yes 19:49 chris ahh yeah there is a selfcheckout module for Koha 19:49 rh wouldnt librarian intervention be required there? 19:49 rh I tried looking at the opac for the self checkout.. i saw where you can reserve a book .. but then it just goes to pending status 19:49 chris its in use from libraries about that size, thru to millions of items 19:48 chris right, Koha will work fine for that 19:48 rh well they only want one part time librarian i think.. the purpose is to automate checkout 19:48 chris librarians might freak out at that, but it will probably work just fine 19:47 chris right 19:47 rh we are actually implementing a google search box in with the portal... so really we can have that crawl a catalog 19:46 rh I'd say acquisitions and patron managment are more of a requirement than a searchable catalog 19:45 chris ie acquisitions, circulation, patron management etc .. or just a searchable catalog? 19:45 chris do they actually want to run a library with it, or just an catalog search? 19:45 rh or also do you happen to have any ideas for more lightweight library apps? 19:44 chris yeah is just a big webapp 19:44 rh is it easy to scale down koha and just use the peices you want? 19:43 chris *nod* 19:43 rh yeah i agree.. but they originally specd out inmagic genie.. which is just as bad 19:42 chris koha might be overkill for that 19:42 chris ahh 19:42 rh its a portal integration with a bunch of different 3rd party apps.. they have some requirements for a library that will only contain about 300 books or so 19:39 chris whats the project? 19:39 chris cool 19:37 rh hey whats up.. im checking out koha for a possibility on a project.. figured i'd join the channel 19:37 chris hi rh 19:33 chris but hei aha, at least the sun is shining :-) 19:29 chris so it could be worse 19:29 chris at least we have the green and maori party in parliament asking questions 19:28 chris without heavily armed police bashing down doors 19:27 chris of which hundreds of ppl are charged every year 19:27 chris its pretty much all wait and see now, see if anyone actually gets charged for anything other than unlawful firearm possesion 19:25 rex yeah 19:24 chris it was very 'coincidental' the did the raids on the very day that the amendment to the terrorism suppression act was being read 19:21 chris i think Hone Harawira summed it up best "Govt not doing well in the polls, time to bash some Maori" 19:21 rex yeah. I think they fall more in the "cracker" category than "redneck" :D 19:21 chris as you will see by reading the comments 19:21 chris and nz has tons of rednecks 19:20 chris oh yeah, police being retards 19:19 rex http://www.nzherald.co.nz/feature/story.cfm?c_id=1501154&objectid=10470189 19:19 rex what's up w/this? 19:17 chris nice and sunny outside 19:17 chris so far so good 19:15 rex howzit? 19:15 rex aloha no 19:15 chris Aloha rex 18:44 chris sweet 18:43 fbcit chris: did 'apt-get install libnet-z3950-zoom-perl' and we're off... 18:38 chris id make install it anyway :) 18:38 chris there are a multitude of reasons why that might not work 18:38 chris it tries to connect to a z3950 server 18:38 chris yeah 18:36 fbcit chris: any thoughts on why Net::Z3950::ZOOM would fail on make test? 18:12 chris if you get stuck, sing out 18:12 chris no problem 18:11 AKLIBRAIAN Thanks for your help. 18:11 AKLIBRAIAN so 2.2.9 will work with mysql 5 I will try it and let you know how easy it was for me later. I have a class to teach now. 18:10 AKLIBRAIAN I am happy to pay for the services, just don't overcharge me. 18:10 chris *nod* 18:10 AKLIBRAIAN They would charge a school of 1700 kids a reasonable price, but I get charged 15 times the price. 18:10 chris but=buy 18:10 chris ie if i but some software, i should be able to do with it whatever i like 18:09 AKLIBRAIAN I don't mind giving them money, if they understand that I am a district of 15 sites -- but that is only 1700 jkids. 18:09 chris i hate paying for stuff and not owning it 18:09 AKLIBRAIAN The software doesn't do all you want it to and it takes forever for them to fix things. 18:09 chris thats how i feed my family 18:09 chris i dont mind giving them money 18:08 AKLIBRAIAN That is why I am here. I hate giving money to software builders. 18:08 chris ahh this was after ubuntu was started, i wish i could have said that :) 18:08 chris and the good thing with linux is, you are allowed to learn the right words without having to pay exorbitant amounts of money to someone 18:08 AKLIBRAIAN You are suppose to say that something you said was the impetus of Ubuntu too. 18:07 chris exactly 18:07 AKLIBRAIAN Wow, that is good name dropping. 18:07 AKLIBRAIAN I figure the computer is just a machine. I might have to know the right words, but I can learn them. 18:06 chris it pretty much just works 18:06 chris ubuntu is pretty sweet 18:05 AKLIBRAIAN Last night someone who programs in Linux said I was trying to hard and this may be out of my learning curve. 18:04 chris hehe 18:04 AKLIBRAIAN I think I love my Linux machiine. 18:04 chris lemme just check that i havent put you wrong, but afaik 2.2.9 works with 5 .. is that right paul? 18:04 AKLIBRAIAN I am happy now because I took my MAC away for a fix and I am actually chatting in this room. I have been trying that for a year. 18:03 AKLIBRAIAN Which version is that? IF it uses 5 then I think I am close to being ready to install. 18:03 AKLIBRAIAN GREAT. 18:03 chris the latest version of koha works with mysql 5 18:03 AKLIBRAIAN Not web browser sorry. I am trying to set up a machine to run Koha. 18:03 chris get 5 18:03 chris ahh 18:02 AKLIBRAIAN The problem comes in getting mysql server 4.1 18:02 chris i use firefox 18:02 AKLIBRAIAN Ubuntu 18:02 AKLIBRAIAN Yep 18:02 chris ahh, a linux web browser darla? 18:02 chris cool 18:02 AKLIBRAIAN Chris you were right on who this is. 18:02 paul_ ok. I'll just send the new patches in a few minuts (nothing major) 18:02 chris yep, you shoudl get emails when i apply them and forward them to joshua 18:01 paul_ (with 2 translations, thus the .tgz) 18:01 chris yep, unpacking those now paul 18:01 AKLIBRAIAN I am trying to set up a Linux Browser and it is not being nice to me. 18:01 paul_ nope, yesterday 18:01 chris sent today your time? 18:01 paul_ a quick question before leaving : do you have recieved my 17 tgz patches ? 18:01 AKLIBRAIAN I need some help 18:00 AKLIBRAIAN Hi Chris. 18:00 paul_ hi chris. 18:00 chris heya darla 17:46 fbcit tnx 17:46 chris CPAN is up to date now 17:45 chris yep 17:45 fbcit is it ok to install MARC::Record via CPAN? 17:21 atz Web2 wouldn't display them, or couldn't return hits if the query included them, etc. 17:20 atz we had ongoing problems with diacritics... 17:19 atz it's all on the back end 17:19 atz right 17:17 dbs they were just ANSEL-encoded text files for the body of the message, that had the relevant data (user name, date, overdue book biblio info) prepended or appended to it 17:16 dbs but the notices have nothing to do with workflows (as you're probably aware) 17:15 dbs C Workflows 17:14 atz asterisk is a weird character to substitute... usually I see space, square, '?' or some non-displaying value 17:11 atz are you running java workflows? 17:07 atz yeah, it looks bad... too bad language and character set were such an afterthought to Unicorn 17:07 dbs yup, we're an officially bilingual university, so this is a *very bad thing*. 17:05 atz that's the one 17:04 atz New Brunswick 17:03 atz so his provincial library was constitutionally required to provide services in both languages (user's choice) 17:01 atz the canadian province that is officially bilingual 17:01 atz he was from em.... price edward islands? no... the other one... 17:00 atz dbs: there was a guy in my training class that was send there JUST for that 17:00 paul ah, ok. 17:00 dbs don't worry :) 17:00 dbs paul: this is with our unicorn system 17:00 dbs SD support doesn't have a clue how to fix it. 17:00 paul where, when, since what ? 17:00 dbs Yes, instead of é à our users get * *. Horrible. 16:59 paul ??? 16:59 dbs notices to our french-language users have broken accented characters, and labels / dates in English 16:58 atz dbs: what is the problem you have presently? 16:58 dbs paul: please send some fine french food this way! 16:58 dbs atz: understood 16:55 paul almost time for dinner in france... I smell some food... 16:55 atz ... saying I think I take legal issues more seriously than they (at least the former mgmt) do.) 16:55 fbcit paul:tnx. the rest works ok. 16:55 atz (i didn't want to get into on list, but that is what i referred to obliquely... 16:54 gmcharlt ouch 16:54 atz and then, the clincher, was their decade-long ripping off open source 16:53 atz :( 16:53 dbs suffering that right here, right now atz 16:53 atz the funny part about that is how often their own updates, or just old buggy code caused errors for our production instances 16:52 paul fbcit: i'm not a git geek, i'm afraid you will have to ask someone else. 16:52 dbs it's a great racket 16:52 atz right 16:52 dbs your former employer 16:52 dbs atz: well, it's your employer who presumably signed the contract with SD agreeing that they wouldn't be eligible for the special (read: extra $$) CC support available for API-related mishaps unless they had API-certified people 16:51 paul_ yep, even free software are "closed by knowledge" : if we give you the source code without any help, it's quite useless. Same if we don't open our tools & docs as well. (of, it's not the case of Koha. and a lack of doc is more due to time than decision...) 16:51 atz and then they teach you that the "prtuser" command is for printing info about users... 16:51 fbcit paul_:ok, got it... but git config --global commands seem not to work here. 16:50 atz they must believe they're getting something out of it 16:50 atz gmcharlt: certainly, since my employer (and dozens of others) send their staff to attend 16:49 gmcharlt atz: that perception not limited to SirsiDynix, btw :) 16:49 paul_ fbcit : try git-core ? 16:49 atz it's bizarre how secret/valuable they imagine it is 16:46 dbs atz: it's your sirsidynix api training causing mental blocks 16:43 fbcit ping kados 16:41 fbcit by what name to I apt-get "git"? 15:11 paul http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1513 15:08 owen You can just paste this conversation as the description 15:08 paul OK 15:08 paul - click again => hide everything 15:08 owen Can you file a bug? I'm about to leave for an afternoon meeting and won't be able to work on it until tomorrow 15:08 paul - when the user clic => show everything 15:08 paul - show all filled fields 15:08 paul but the correct behaviour would be : 15:07 paul if you click again, you get the opposite. 15:07 paul Thus all filled fields are hidden, and all empty fields are displayed. 15:07 paul You use the toggle() when the user clic on ExpanField. 15:07 paul all filled subfields are expanded automatically. 15:07 paul when open to MODIFY a biblio. 15:06 paul owen, i've found a small bug on addbiblio. 15:05 paul very easy when you know how to make it work ! 15:05 paul GOT it ! 15:04 paul am I right ? 15:04 paul <!-- /TMPL_LOOP --></ul> 15:04 paul <!-- /TMPL_IF --></li> 15:04 paul <a href="/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl#tab<!-- TMPL_VAR name="number" -->XX"><!-- TMPL_VAR name="number"--></a> 15:04 paul <!-- TMPL_ELSE --> 15:04 paul <a href="/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl#tab<!-- TMPL_VAR name="number" -->XX"><!-- TMPL_VAR name="number"--></a> 15:04 paul <li> <!-- TMPL_IF name="number" --> 15:04 paul <ul><!-- TMPL_LOOP name="BIG_LOOP" --> 15:04 paul <div id="addbibliotabs" class="toptabs numbered"> 15:04 paul the tab list is : 15:04 paul oups, it's the tab content... 15:04 paul <div id="tab<!-- TMPL_VAR name="number" -->XX"> 15:04 paul 2- have the tab list in : 15:04 owen Right, where #addbibliotabs is the ID of the containing div 15:03 paul }); 15:03 paul $('#addbibliotabs').tabs(); 15:03 paul $(document).ready(function() { 15:03 paul - to run the function at the beginning : 15:03 paul and you just need : 15:01 owen /intranet-tmpl/prog/en/lib/jquery/plugins/jquery.tabs.css 15:01 owen /intranet-tmpl/prog/en/lib/jquery/plugins/jquery.tabs.pack.js 15:01 owen /intranet-tmpl/prog/en/lib/jquery/jquery.js 15:00 paul ) 15:00 paul by what/who ? (as my script is special, so don't use classic tmpl include 15:00 owen So the tabs you put together for MARCdetail are jquery, not YUI 15:00 owen No. The tab system I've been using is not YUI, it's jquery, and all the required js is already included globally 14:59 paul - <!-- TMPL_INCLUDE NAME="yui-toolbars.inc" --> 14:59 paul we need : 14:59 paul owen : a quick question about YUI tabbing (i'm working on a specific plugin) 14:58 paul doesn't that mean : "someone else already did that" ? 14:58 atz i haven't figured out why 14:57 atz my patches have been failing to merge. git says they're "not applicable" 14:55 owen Yes, sometimes there are disadvantages to having so few people 14:54 paul or not yet arrived in main repo 14:53 paul how are things ? 14:51 owen Hi paul 14:33 owen kados around?