Time Nick Message 10:21 masonj cool, sing out if you get stuck and need a hand :) 10:21 yesan Masonj thank for your help. 10:20 masonj simply because we are all very familiar with debian, not so much redhat... 10:19 masonj but, think about setting up a debian box too, your install will be *much* easier 10:19 masonj ok yesan, ive gotta go.... 10:17 masonj from the cpan> prompt, you can grab your perl modules from cpan.org that way 10:16 masonj cpan> install DBD::mysql 10:15 masonj perl -MCPAN -e shell 10:15 masonj so from a redhat box.... 10:13 yesan that's wonderful 10:13 yesan that' 10:13 masonj u dont need to look for the perl modules as *.rpm files on the net 10:12 masonj from either a redhat or debian box 10:11 masonj the perl modules u can get from cpan.org too 10:11 yesan thank you masonj for being available to answer my queries. 10:11 yesan You are right 10:11 yesan You are right, masonj 10:10 masonj so, perhaps set up a deb and redhat box, and see which one u find easier 10:08 masonj i wont go into the technical differences between them right now :) 10:07 masonj thats the one big reason 10:06 masonj so you will get better help from them 10:06 masonj all the developers use it :) 10:06 yesan what is the advantage of debian over RH 10:05 masonj all the developers (that i know) use debian, 10:04 masonj add if you can , try to find a hosting company that offers debian boxes, rather than redhat 10:04 yesan does any one has perl modules for RH4 10:03 masonj lol, ok, definitely pay the extra 35 bucks for the static ip :) 10:02 masonj i dont think a dynamic dns setup is suitable for production boxes 10:02 yesan It will be union catalogue of Joint Library Committtee, Bangalore (15 libraries will be participating in this) 10:01 masonj yeah, if u are using it for anything other than personal use, then go for a static ip 09:59 masonj http://tinyurl.com/ypxhas 09:59 yesan So you mean to say that is wiser to have static/dedicated ip. which takes away $35.00 annnually 09:58 masonj lemme have a google thru the koha mailing-list archive... 09:57 masonj running koha without a static ip, will give you all the pain-in-the-ass issues that running *any* web app without a static ip will have 09:57 yesan we need perl modules for Red Hat Linux version 4 (enterprise) for koha installation. has any one got. 09:56 masonj but having said that... 09:56 yesan could you please let me know if there are some who have used bluehost for hosting koha 09:55 masonj and i do recall other people sucessfully setting up koha's on bluehost.com too 09:55 yesan Thank u masonJ, I have another query. Please forgive me for my ignorance on these 09:54 masonj but the short answer is no, u dont need a dedicated ip address 09:53 masonj http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_DNS 09:53 masonj u might be able to use a dynamic dns service, to handle your non-static ip address 09:53 yesan 03 do you an answer, MasonJ 09:52 yesan 03 i hope you got it 09:52 masonj hmm.. 09:51 yesan masonj, Did you get my query 09:50 yesan i would like to know whether or not a dedicated ip address is required if we use web hosting agencies like bluehost.com to install koha on our website 09:50 masonj whats your query? 09:50 masonj hiya yesan 09:48 yesan 03 does any one there to help 09:46 yesan it looks taking time to get my query answered 09:45 yesan masonj, atleast you can help me to answer my query 09:42 yesan is someone there to answer my query 09:42 yesan presently we are given a shared ip address from bluehost.com. our domain name is www.jlcopac.org 09:41 yesan i would like to know whether or not a dedicated ip address is required if we use web hosting agencies like bluehost.com to install koha on our website 01:48 thd kados: my other general question I will postpone but it addresses translation and framework proliferation 01:47 thd maybe Norwegian 01:47 atz (or was it norwegian? i forget) 01:47 atz did you see the swedish linux users group that was going to hire 2 translators to translate koha into swedish? 01:47 thd I think he worked from the incomplete French frameworks and then looked at the English UNIMARC documentation 01:46 thd and I know that the person from whom you received them used out of date documentation and missed much that was in the documents which he did consult 01:45 kados *nod* 01:44 thd however, I have a comment that says not safe for production because I did not have time to verify every line for free 01:44 kados cool 01:43 thd I took some time to correctly translate and map an up to date version of Recommendation 995 01:43 kados (or whoever has time can do it then) 01:43 kados I'd suggest committing them to optional and then I can move them around when I get around to refactoring the installer 01:42 thd yes of course, mine are partly better than the French ones 01:42 kados thd: that's of secondary importance to actually having working unimarc en frameworks :-) 01:41 kados and based on that choice it should offer you a list of frameworks, some optional, some mandatory 01:41 thd yes 01:41 kados basically we're just missing a 'choose your MARC flavour' step from the installer 01:41 thd :) 01:41 kados heh 01:40 atz just a guess :) 01:40 kados atz: :-) 01:40 atz probably installer/data/fr/frameworks/unimarc/ ? 01:40 kados hmmm 01:40 thd with mandatory and optional underneath each of those? 01:39 kados installer/data/en/frameworks/unimarc/ 01:39 kados then the frenchies could have 01:39 kados installer/data/en/frameworks/marc21 01:39 kados installer/data/en/frameworks/unimarc 01:39 kados thd: what if we did: 01:38 kados just a sec 01:38 kados ok 01:37 thd I just needed a stable model 01:36 thd kados: not until yesterday did you comment about how UNIMARC frameworks could be installed :) 01:35 kados after that we can discuss the next steps :-) 01:35 kados not really, it's been weeks and weeks ! :-) 01:34 thd I meant for after that 01:34 thd kados: well certainly, but that is trivial 01:34 kados thd: priorities, man! :-) 01:34 kados like finishing the unimarc frameworks and finishing the simiple frameworks 01:34 kados there are much more pressing issues at hand 01:34 kados I don't think it makes sens to offer it 01:33 kados my feeling is that if someone needs a post installation update SQL script, they will be competant enough to build their own 01:33 thd kados: where is the nice description for how I can set up 3.0 if the installer is still broken? 01:32 thd kados: maybe I should investigate adding a post installation installer to the web installer 01:24 thd does it use a relative path? 01:23 thd kados: However, the script then needs to find the relevant updated frameworks SQL scripts. How will it know where to find them? 01:21 thd kados: exactly, because it need only drop and recreate the frameworks tables 01:20 kados ahh, you could make it non-redundant? 01:20 thd kados: as opposed to a giant redundant post-installation SQL file? 01:19 kados I don't see the utility of that approach 01:19 thd kados: My earlier question was about replacing the post installation update SQL scripts with a Perl script that drops and then recreates the framework tables then applies the framework SQL. 01:17 thd Do you suffer jet lag between CT and Ohio? 01:17 thd hello 01:17 kados hi thd 01:16 thd kados: ping 21:56 thd OK thanks :) 21:56 kados thd: I'll be back later this evening ... around 9pm or so for a few hours 21:55 kados I should get going 21:55 thd kados: I thought I could get an answer over phone that I would not get when you close your computer in a few seconds 21:54 kados thd: I'm here, no need to call me :-) 21:53 thd kados: it is about replacing the post installation update SQL scripts with a Perl script that drops and then recreates the framework tables then applies the framework SQL 21:52 kados I don't quite understand the question :-) 21:51 thd kados: how would an updating Perl script find a framework that is know where the framework lives without hard coding or reading the directory and forming a list to present?? 21:49 kados :) 21:48 thd kados: I have two questions but I may not be able to type them fast enough 21:48 kados traveling-- 21:48 kados yep ... back to Columbus this evening, and then on to MD tomorrow afternoon :/ 21:48 thd are you still in CT? 21:47 thd hello 21:47 kados thd: hi 21:47 thd kados: ping 21:47 thd kados 20:28 fbcit Mondays are incredibly busy for me.. :-P 20:28 kados cheers 20:28 fbcit kados: I'll get it in tomorrow. I'm headed out for the day. 20:26 kados fbcit: and btw: please send in your kohastructure for postgres :-) 20:22 kados and if there is a way to fix it and make it more universal, feel free to send in patches 20:22 kados so you can complain to him :-) 20:21 kados hdl wrote most of the installer 20:21 kados time constraints -- 20:21 kados yea, that's absolutely true 20:19 fbcit I took a dive into the installer today for a bit. It looks like things started off in a multi-db direction but did not get too far. 20:18 fbcit well, I want one running unmodified over mysql so that I can see what things should look like while I do mods on the other. 20:17 kados you can even run them off the same codebase 20:17 kados fbcit: nope, no reason 20:16 fbcit kados: Any reason I can't run two instances of koha on the same machine for dev purposes? 19:49 chris pretty close :) 19:47 chris lol 19:45 owen Okay, I wanted to make sure I wasn't misunderstanding 19:39 hdl owen: seems to be French/English names of same variable 18:20 owen-away I see intranetreadinghistory and ReadingHistory in system preferences. Are they the same, or are they supposed to do different things? 15:25 paul they will add a systempref to activate it & a oai-pmh script will be available under opac/ 15:24 paul kados : the Ecole des MInes de St Etienne is working on a OAI-PMH project for all "mines school". As paris & nantes already use koha, they are working on OAI-PMH on Koha. it should be available in the next weeks, as it's being tested (dev for Koha 3.0) 13:50 hdl And plugins HAVE to be adapted to them 13:49 hdl Changes in addbiblio are quite deep. 13:49 hdl But this is not your fault. 13:48 hdl Maybe. But even changing that was not enough on my copy to get plugins work. 13:43 owen Yeah, just a misplaced ) 13:39 owen Right, that's not going to work. 13:39 hdl Clictag_000_subfield_00_972254_20131('tag_000_subfield_00_972254_20131'; return false; ) 13:38 hdl And i dinf funny to have : 13:38 hdl as far as I am concerned, no. 13:34 owen It's not working properly? 13:34 owen I'm not sure I understand 13:34 hdl But plugins are also impacted. 13:33 hdl Paul recoded for authorities. 13:33 hdl seems it brings funny plugin calls in js. 13:33 hdl ? 13:32 hdl http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=commitdiff;h=16d0f61af96317072118e2f3f277c2aa818f1989 13:32 hdl have you checked this : 13:32 owen Yes, hdl? 13:32 owen No, and when Frederic came through with an improved version of the YUI toolbar I went with that 13:31 hdl owen : 13:31 northfox did you manage to get the custom build working? 13:31 northfox how's ext coming along? 13:31 northfox hey owen 13:31 atz what's up, owen? 13:31 gmcharlt hi owen 13:30 owen hi northfox , gmcharlt , atz 13:28 atz cya 13:27 kados morning guys 13:27 kados ahh, could be 13:25 atz actually, i'm betting it's DNS... 13:23 kados could be your local freenode hub is down or sth 13:23 kados ouch, doesn't look healthy :-) 13:23 atz i get: The connection to irc://freenode.com/ (irc://freenode.com/) was aborted with error (null): Component returned failure code: 0x804b000d [nsIBinaryOutputStream.writeBytes] 13:22 atz hrm... 13:21 kados not for me 13:20 atz is freenode down for everybody? 13:17 kados strange, no errors for me 13:16 hdl or any ... on addbiblio page. 13:16 hdl when clicking on ... near 008 13:15 kados hdl: I don't see any js errors ... where are you seeing those? 13:09 hdl js calls should have a closing ) 13:07 hdl Problems on plugins 13:07 hdl No. 13:06 hdl when loading addbiblio page 13:06 hdl kados : 5 js errors. 13:05 dbs whoops :) 13:05 dbs where 13:05 hdl maybe a problem with Template IF or javascript. 13:03 kados if you look in the framework, there are a lot of 942 fields, but only itemtype shows up in the MARC editor 13:03 kados owen: yea, me too, that's the problem I'm describing 13:00 owen I'm only seeing 942c 13:00 owen kados, should the default framework show fields other than itemtype? 13:00 hdl what problem ? 12:59 kados anyone else having a similar problem? 12:55 kados hdl: until i can resolve that issue I'm afraid I don't have much news on the cn_* front as all of the cn_* fields are in 942 for my framework :-) 12:55 kados http://staff-jmf.dev.kohalibrary.com/cgi-bin/koha/admin/marc_subfields_structure.pl?op=add_form&tagfield=942&frameworkcode= 12:55 kados there should be several fields there 12:54 kados add a new MARC record and look at tab 9 12:54 kados admin / demo 12:54 kados oops 12:54 kados admin / default 12:54 kados http://staff-jmf.dev.kohalibrary.com/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbooks.pl 12:54 kados and I'm not sure why that is 12:54 kados the MARC framework doesn't seem to work to display the other 942 fields (other than itemtype) 12:53 hdl It seems there are new pages in admin. 12:53 hdl nor if we have to do some things to get it work. 12:53 kados ahh, that must be it 12:53 owen Rank was getting saved in my tests yesterday, but I'm not sure the rank value gets loaded when you go to edit 12:53 hdl yes. 12:52 kados hdl: for call numbers? 12:52 hdl We donot know What we should do to index. 12:52 hdl use of this feature is not explained. 12:52 kados y'know, I don't think that the rank is saved either 12:52 kados ahh 12:51 owen kados: Bug 1508 12:50 kados hdl: yes 12:50 hdl kados : you speak of the comment you sent with the commit ? 12:49 kados huh, also doesnt' seem to expire news 12:48 owen Not sure if there's a way around that 12:48 kados ahh 12:48 owen It does, but it doesn't pop up if you simply tab to that field 12:47 kados owen: for your list: the News edit page doesnt' have a calendar plugin for the expiry date 12:46 kados hdl: which part, I believe I explained it last week 12:44 hdl kados : can you explain to me the callnumber management you sent us ? 12:36 kados and pretty easy to accomplish 12:36 kados yea, it's not a bad idea 12:36 owen Speaking of fresh install, kados you said I needed to reinstall the other day, but I can't remember why 12:35 kados owen: I committed fixes to the moredetail.pl status stuff last night, it worked just as it should on a fresh install 12:34 kados in this case, for my sake it's OK to have french translations in Git, but for you sake, it's a pain :-) 12:33 paul owen: kados always want more and more... it's a pity :-D 12:33 paul kados: ++ 12:33 kados owen: hehe 12:33 kados paul: (that's why i think auto-generating will be easier for you) 12:32 owen So kados, you not only want the toolbars to look good, you want them to work? ;) 12:32 paul (everybody: also note that it's already outdated by owen last changes...) 12:32 kados morning owen 12:32 kados everybody rebase :-) 12:32 kados ok, I've pushed up french translation patch 12:30 kados heh 12:30 paul (you won) 12:30 paul we could. And I suggest it can be done anytime, in admin/, to let the library add/remove languages 12:30 kados (or anytime after installation) 12:30 kados so can't we just have a .po file, and generate the translation on installation? 12:29 paul fortunatly ! 12:29 kados ahh, great 12:29 paul 100% done by translator ! 12:29 kados and how much must be done manually? 12:29 kados so how much can you rely on the translator? 12:29 paul (as it will be useless for most us) 12:29 kados ok, that makes sense 12:29 paul (the translation being ugly) 12:29 kados ahh 12:29 paul it's the french version of those templates 12:28 kados look for marc21_ 12:28 paul I don't see that. 12:28 paul ??? 12:28 kados maybe they are improved, I don't know :-) 12:28 kados also, all of the marc21 plugins are included 12:27 paul it's a mistake, for sure. 12:27 kados and I _think_ it reverts something I did yesterday 12:27 kados /prog/en/modules/catalogue/moredetail.tmpl is the first line 12:27 paul (hi owen) 12:27 paul it's supposed to contain only fr/... datas 12:26 paul yep, for sure ! 12:26 kados hiya owen 12:26 owen Hi folks 12:26 kados that may have slipped in by accident? 12:26 kados I'm invistigating some changes to en stuff 12:26 kados it's the french translation one 12:26 paul which one ? 12:26 paul (hi) 12:26 kados hehe 12:26 paul i'm around, but not aroudn. Is that OK ? 12:25 kados paul: you aroudn?