Time  Nick     Message
05:02 chris    cya later
05:02 atz      ttyl
05:02 ATA      BYE
05:02 ATA      Thank you chris and atz
05:01 ATA      Ok friends thanks
05:01 ATA      lol
05:00 atz      :)
05:00 atz      remote desktop
05:00 ATA      You know windows users always look for gui
05:00 chris    either :)
05:00 chris    that i dont know
05:00 ATA      vmware image is good but how to enter its gui mode?
04:59 atz      i'd recommend just doing VMware w/ linux image on win32
04:59 atz      nice
04:59 chris    rob does a pretty neat click click its installed thing
04:59 chris    no its a fullblown apache for windows, mysql for windows, active state perl etc
04:58 atz      is it a cygwin version?
04:58 ATA      I asked him a couple of time but no response, i think he is really a buzy man
04:58 chris    koha for windows is sorta unofficial :-)
04:57 chris    the windows port is done by rob weir
04:57 ATA      :) @ atz
04:57 chris    that i dont know
04:57 ATA      One more question, when koha 2.29 is going to be released for windows?
04:57 chris    not sure when it will be ported to windows
04:57 atz      :)
04:57 atz      liblime is hiring 4 new people.  including me.
04:57 ATA      Ok
04:56 chris    there really isnt a set time, but it shouldnt be far away we are working hard on closing all the bugs at the moment
04:56 ATA      I am windows user of koha
04:56 chris    ahh when we get the last of the bugs fixed
04:56 ATA      I mean when it is going to release?
04:56 ATA      hmmm
04:56 chris    :)
04:56 chris    what about it?
04:55 ATA      Would you mind telling me about the release of koha 3.0?
04:55 ATA      How do you do chris?
04:55 chris    hi ata
04:54 ATA      hi all
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21:22 masonj   great move with the postgres too, fbcit :)
21:21 masonj   cya,
21:21 kados    laters
21:21 fbcit    off for the night...
21:17 kados    sweet
21:17 fbcit    Everything worked following the ex on the page you pointed me to.
21:16 kados    so you have a local copy of the entire repo when you clone
21:16 kados    git is completely different in that it's a distributed vcs
21:16 fbcit    ;-)
21:16 fbcit    the one I git seems to work ok...
21:16 kados    I'm not sure about the red hat, but in debian you want git-core
21:16 fbcit    I'm used to svn, but git seems straight forward enough...
21:15 kados    there's another git out there :/
21:15 fbcit    kados: yum install git....
21:14 masonj   sounds good
21:14 kados    all the tables should be utf8
21:14 masonj   im not too sure on the other tables, but the labels* tables can all be utf8
21:14 kados    :-)
21:14 kados    because we'd love to get your patch when you're done
21:13 kados    fbcit: so did you read over the basics of Git?
21:13 kados    sed++
21:13 kados    hehe
21:13 fbcit    sed all the way :-)
21:13 kados    (also easy to fix with a regex :-)
21:13 kados    because in mysql that's much much faster thatn separate statemnts
21:13 fbcit    kados: that's ok. As long as I can drop in here and get some help when I get stuck on the mysql, I'll keep plowing.
21:12 kados    we do things like INSERT INTO BRANCH (a,b,c) VALUES (x,y,z),(x,y,z)
21:12 kados    fbcit: well, there are a lot of mysqlisms in the installer/data dirs I'm afraid
21:11 fbcit    masonj: just to be sure: I can disregard the column collate settings and make the entire db utf8?
21:11 kados    fbcit: cool!
21:11 masonj   oops, utf8
21:10 masonj   ah, all columns should be the same, utf*
21:10 fbcit    masonj: I'm most of the way through converting kohastructure.sql to postgresql
21:09 kados    fbcit: are you seeing other behavior?
21:09 kados    looks like both are set to utf8 fbcit
21:09 masonj   hiya fbcit , can u explain a bit more? :)
21:09 kados    are you seeing something else in the kohastructure.sql?
21:09 kados    IMO using consistant collation should be the goal
21:08 fbcit    postgresql does not do collation at the column level.
21:07 kados    fbcit: honestly I'm not sure, but masonj or ryan should know
21:00 fbcit    kados:in the table 'labels_templates' is the collation of the tmpl_code, tmpl_desc, and units columns different from the rest of the table or could the collation be set the same for the entire table?
20:18 hdl      Ok. Now going to bed.
20:17 kados    I think so anyway
20:16 kados    yep
20:16 hdl      Is dev_week branch up to date for all you did ?
20:16 ryan     no, record.abs says it's only using 008.
20:15 kados    but if I do it over I might
20:15 kados    no
20:15 hdl      Are you processing date fields before storing them ?
20:15 kados    there is no machine-readable place that it's stored except 008
20:14 kados    esp marc21
20:14 kados    date is very problematic in marc
20:14 hdl      (cannot remember the query I did)
20:14 hdl      + I did quite the same on ccfls some time ago and order was quite messy.
20:13 kados    check the record.abs and search for 'Date'
20:13 hdl      Some dates are not showing up in the list you pointed me.
20:13 kados    dates are several places
20:13 hdl      are you using dates in 008 or in an other specific field ?
20:12 kados    it's not
20:12 kados    no, nevermind
20:12 kados    hdl: r=r might be for ranking
20:10 kados    search for harry potter published between 2005-2007 and sort by acquisition date
20:10 masonj   morning koha
20:10 kados    hdl: http://search.athenscounty.lib.oh.us/search?q=harry+potter+and+%28yr%3A2005-2007%29&sort_by=1%3D32+%3Ei
20:10 kados    hdl: yes
20:10 hdl      Since you index after the record is stored in database, you could process it before indexing.
20:09 thd      I asked improperly.  Ignore the first form of the question.
20:09 ryan     thd: i do not know ...
20:09 thd      ryan: can you index the regular expression result in Zebra without actually storing the regular expression result in the record?
20:09 hdl      thd : with zebra, yes. but then, we would need to make a zebra specific record before indexing.
20:07 hdl      kados : Does your search and sorting on dates works on dev_week ?
20:07 thd      ryan: can you index the regular expression result without actually storing the regular expression?
20:07 hdl      This could be the solution.
20:06 hdl      I think that we should rather index regexp'ed field.
20:06 hdl      :P
20:05 thd      hdl: just be thankful that UNIMARC actually provides a separate subfield for publication and copyright dates unlike MARC 21 in which it is not always possible to determine which is which
20:05 ryan     so do we add an extra field?  or index the regexp'ed field rather than the actual text (in 260$c, eg)
20:04 ryan     well, sort by pub year needs to work...
20:04 hdl      yes, but catalogers ususally add some texts before and after.
20:03 thd      hdl: all text subfield dates in MARC need normalising
20:03 ryan     hdl : does unimarc have a pub year field ?
20:02 hdl      UNIMARC
20:02 ryan     or store a pubyear in 942 ?
20:02 ryan     should run a regexp before indexing ?
20:02 kados    it expects nnnn
20:02 kados    it won't work
20:01 hdl      as a year field
20:01 kados    it's indexed as a date field?
20:01 hdl      with zebra.
20:00 kados    with or without zebra?
20:00 hdl      It is frustrating not to be able to debug query on Publication date.
20:00 hdl      cannot simulate query for yaz-client.
19:54 kados    default.idx
19:54 kados    charmap @
19:54 kados    completeness 0
19:54 kados    index d
19:54 kados    # Used if structure=date (@attr 4=5)
19:54 kados    # Date
19:53 kados    r = relation maybe?
19:53 hdl      Yeah, should be but cannot find where you took it from
19:53 kados    check bib1.att
19:52 kados    it's for date fields maybe
19:52 hdl      I searched ccl.properties for that and couldnot see.
19:52 hdl      we have problem when searching publication dates.
19:52 kados    is'nt it documented?
19:51 hdl      kados : what does r=r stand for in ccl.properties ?
19:46 hdl      I hope you won't have any problems with it.
19:46 kados    thanks hdl
19:46 kados    cool, I'll have a look
19:46 hdl      Now going to sleep
19:45 hdl      Before beeing able to do anything.
19:45 hdl      I should have read the doc of the parser and install it.
19:45 kados    *nod*
19:45 hdl      But i couldnot have time enough to get deep into this.
19:44 hdl      thanks.
19:44 hdl      yes.
19:44 hdl      But it works.
19:44 kados    hdl: ok, did you see the link I sent you for the parser?
19:44 hdl      It is only on non stemmed and non ranked search
19:43 hdl      kados : patch sent to manage truncation
19:43 fbcit    kados: r u around?
18:20 tnb      thanks for the link to the program! i did not know about those!
18:20 hdl      I would certainly forget some.
18:20 tnb      ok, I will send him an email
18:20 hdl      tnb: I think you'll have to wait for Paul to get a full list of Koha users.
18:19 tnb      thanks for the reminder
18:19 tnb      yes, i knew about sidarec, but I'm not sure if i've added them yet.
18:19 hdl      (remember.)
18:19 hdl      Can't find the name.
18:19 hdl      Sidarec implemented a Koha in an african country.
18:18 tnb      I only offered because it is time-consuming and I was trying to be helpful :)
18:18 hdl      http://sidarecyouth.freeflux.net/blog/
18:18 tnb      Would you prefer to add french libraries to the database yourself?
18:17 tnb      that's very exciting.
18:17 hdl      Eifl.net was there too. Bess sadler took part.
18:16 hdl      This was a conference in Dakar, where Koha was much represented.
18:16 hdl      Nope.
18:16 tnb      and your libraries are listed here as well? (I am opening the pdf now)
18:16 hdl      Botwsana and malawi too, iirc.
18:15 hdl      Yes.
18:15 tnb      oh, it is in the pdf, probably
18:15 hdl      Yes look For Kabeya
18:15 tnb      hdl: i don't see that university listed... it is on this url?
18:14 tnb      those aren't in the wiki  (i don't think they are)
18:14 tnb      ah, great!
18:13 hdl      Kinshasa University is using Koha.
18:13 hdl      In This programme you will find some libraries using Koha in Africa.
18:13 tnb      i see there are only 6 french libraries currently in the database that is used for this research
18:12 hdl      http://www.dakar.aliaco.com/index_en.htm
18:12 tnb      that's why we need to make sure Koha libraries get counted
18:12 tnb      yep, that researcher was using a specific method for counting
18:12 hdl      I saw the figures rported on NGC4LIB.
18:11 tnb      It's important for the project for all Koha libraries to be represented in it
18:11 tnb      could you send me a list of the french libraries you and paul are supporting? There is a widely-used US research database that we'd like to include them in
18:10 tnb      :)
18:10 tnb      hdl: hi
18:09 hdl      tnb :
18:05 hdl      kados : back
17:55 tnb      ha!
17:54 atz      j/k
17:54 atz      ok, i've got some already written... up to about 4th grade when my pet turtle died.
17:52 tnb      I'm gunning for early next week for that announcement, so the sooner you can get something to me the happier I'll be :)
17:51 tnb      ok, great. I just wanted to make sure it did not get lost in cyber space!
17:51 atz      sounds like a good idea
17:51 atz      yes
17:51 tnb      atz: did you receive my email about the bio?
17:37 Frederic I don't understand why jquery is used.
17:37 Frederic YUI is a very powerfull framework, as you know.
17:37 tnb      great!
17:35 Frederic Tnb: email sent...
17:34 kados    ajax and ui pieces
17:34 kados    Frederic: just pieces
17:34 kados    hi
17:34 Frederic Are you integrating YUI to Koha as JS and UI framework, or are you just picking up some pieces, mixing with other libraries (jQuery...)?
17:34 Frederic hiya (?) Kados,
17:32 tnb      ok, thanks Frederic! I'll forward your test to Russel so he can add it to the site
17:31 Frederic Hi Tina, I send a text to you June 16th... I will resend it. Thx. Feel free to accomate my idiom to English :)
17:28 tnb      we have several US researchers who track who is using Koha, so it benefits the project if I add any new libraries using Koha to those databases
17:27 tnb      Frederic: also, if you have any clients you'd like included in the 'koha users' lists, please let me know
17:27 tnb      :)
17:27 tnb      your name
17:27 tnb      seeing you name just reminded me!
17:26 tnb      frederic: hi (This is Tina with LibLime). I see you didn't yet make it on the pay for support page on koha.org I actually don't have access right now to directly edit the website, but if you send your company info to rwg@liblime.com, russel should be able to add you
17:23 kados    hiya Frederic
17:15 Frederic hello
17:12 tnb      yeah, i can't find it now :/
17:12 kados    maybe look on the koha lists
17:12 kados    can't rememeber which one thoug
17:12 kados    sounds familiar
17:12 tnb      do i remember correctly that an African library recently went live?
17:11 tnb      ok, good to know
17:11 kados    tnb: best time to catch him is in the morning on EST
17:11 kados    tnb: I think paul has gone for the day
17:10 tnb      paul: when you have time, will you please send me a list of all the libraries you support in France? If we don't add those libraries as "koha users" to some of the US researcher websites, the Koha project is goign to continue to be under-represented. I'm happy to add them, but the users wiki is pretty out of date at this point
16:40 kados    paul_away: you must be tired :-)
16:40 kados    09:40 < kados> ahh, cool, thanks
16:40 kados    paul_away: so looks like it's not removed :-)
16:40 kados    09:40 < aroben> kados: it did not get removed
16:40 kados    09:40 -!- arwed is now known as alley_cat
16:40 kados    09:39 < kados> did git-send-email get removed from 1.5.3.2 and is there an alternative utility?
16:40 paul     time to leave. I'll look later if someone has an explanation...
16:39 kados    I wonder if there's a new way to send email patches
16:38 atz      so what great new feature makes it worthwhile to upgrade to 1.5.3.2 then?
16:38 kados    :-)
16:38 paul     unless i'm really really really tired...
16:38 kados    yowser
16:38 paul     atz : yes
16:38 kados    git-send-email ?
16:38 paul     time to leave for frenchies...
16:38 atz      for real?
16:37 paul     all : git-send-semail is no more in git 1.5.3.2 ???
16:37 paul     tnd : yes ?
16:37 paul     kados : they use dewey, or nothing (and only itemcallnumber)
16:37 atz      greets
16:36 tnb      atz: hi joe!
16:36 tnb      hdl: ?
16:36 tnb      paul: ?
16:31 kados    hdl: ?
16:28 kados    if any
16:28 kados    hdl: which fields in the koha tables do they use for storage of call numbers at the biblioitem level?
16:28 kados    hdl: we are hoping you can explain the practice of call numbers among your libraries
16:28 kados    hdl: got a sec?
16:15 fbcit    kados:tnx. I'll have a look at the code over the next week.
16:09 kados    and yes, it's extremely fast
16:09 kados    zebra is an indexing engine
16:08 fbcit    what is it? (besides brother to a horse...)
16:08 fbcit    the query times with zebra were impressive...
16:08 kados    fbcit: the no-zebra option is easy :-)
16:07 kados    yep, there is a zebra option and a no-zebra option
16:07 fbcit    kados: Ok. And I'm not familiar with Zebra though saw references to it on the website.
16:07 kados    fbcit: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:git_usage
16:06 kados    fbcit: and get familiar with Git
16:06 kados    fbcit: you'll want to nab the 3.0 version though
16:06 kados    fbcit: if you've done that already, it will likely be a cinch for your team
16:06 kados    fbcit: :-)
16:05 kados    hdl: it handles right and left truncation natively
16:05 kados    hdl: I'm wondering if we should just leave the issue of truncation to Zebra at the back end
16:05 fbcit    we just finished moving several apps from MSSQL to PostgreSQL... What could be more different than tsql and every other sql? :-)
16:05 kados    hdl: sure
16:04 kados    for someone who knows the differences
16:04 hdl      kados: it is just that if you want to ask some questions, we could now.
16:04 kados    I dunno, maybe a few days
16:04 fbcit    I've not looked at the code yet....
16:03 fbcit    kados: any estimate on the size of job doing the query convert would be?
16:03 kados    I'll look closely now
16:03 kados    hdl: sorry, haven't responded yet
16:03 kados    hdl: yes, I did
16:02 kados    yup
16:02 fbcit    kados: Ahh... I see it is in Perl...
16:01 kados    fbcit: we humbly await your patch :-)
16:01 kados    but there are a few mysql specific queries still that would need to be adjusted
16:01 kados    fbcit: we do use DBI, which has a driver for postgres
16:01 kados    fbcit: to use postgres you'd have to tweak some queries
16:00 fbcit    kados: I'm not clear from the website or docs.... does Koha support PostgreSQL?
16:00 hdl      kados ? did you receive my email ?
15:59 fbcit    kados: We are looking at LedgerSMB with some mods for non-profit.
15:58 kados    fbcit: which accounting package?
15:58 fbcit    kados: We are looking to integrate a library management system with an accounting package so that fines are charged to student accounts.
15:58 kados    :)
15:56 fbcit    kados: sorry. I typed before I looked.... :-(
15:55 kados    fbcit: it's done that since version 1.0 8 years ago :=)
15:55 kados    fbcit: ?
15:54 fbcit    Are there plans to expand Koha to include the ability to track library fines?
14:52 kyle     agreed.
14:52 kyle     Something like it for perl would be great.
14:52 kados    CGI::Session++
14:52 kados    the cool thing about using sessions is you can hot-copy the session data into a user's account, and easily copy it back to their session, merge it with other sessions, etc.
14:51 kyle     Actually, http://pear.php.net/package/Auth_PrefManager is the stable version.
14:51 kyle     A good pref manager for php is http://pear.php.net/package/Auth_PrefManager2
14:51 kados    not based on tables like in 2.2
14:51 kados    the userenv can be arbitrarily expanded
14:50 kados    the new session handling in 3.0 is another option I think
14:50 kyle     seems to work well.
14:50 kados    but we could look at splitting that stuff out into a separate module I suppose
14:50 kados    yea, well I'm pretty happy with C4::Context->preference for the global ones
14:49 kyle     Have a standard interface for working with prefs.
14:49 kyle     Maybe we should write Prefs.pm.
14:48 kyle     Yeah, I know what you mean.
14:48 kados    kyle: exactly
14:48 kyle     You mean, have a default global for each, which is superceded by a default library pref, which is superceded by a user's prefs?
14:48 kados    pretty trivial enhancement, it's just the 'death by a thousand papercuts' thing :-)
14:47 kados    kyle: I'd love to distinguish between global preferences, library preferences and user preferences
14:47 kyle     That's cool. I'll check that out.
14:47 kados    kyle: yea, absolutely
14:47 kados    that code is in rel-TG
14:47 kyle     I think I should add a prefs for borrowers so they can choose which ways to be contacted about various items.
14:46 kados    tumer's already done that
14:46 kyle     Ok, I figured I'd do that. Jo from HLT also want's to be able to text message cell phones with reserve messages. That wouldn't be a problem if I could find a public API for texting. I think Yahoo might have one.
14:46 kados    it's not really that impressive, it's a couple of lines in perl IIRC
14:45 kados    kyle: but I can send you a patch that does that
14:45 kados    kyle: no, I don't think that's ever made it into the general release
14:44 kyle     question: does the current reserves system automatically e-mail people who have entered e-mail addresses? I couldn't find anything referencing it in Reserves2.pm
14:44 ryan     great ... those are some nice features
14:43 kyle     Yes, I'll add those new columns to updatedatabase.
14:43 kyle     I'll give my code a good twice-over, clean up the docs, and commit it.
14:43 ryan     cool - you'll add to updatedatebase ?
14:41 kyle     There are some new columns in the reserves table, and some new private and public subs.
14:40 ryan     or tables ?
14:40 ryan     do you change the api ?
14:40 ryan     so np to commit
14:40 ryan     kyle: yes, everyone else has drifted from stock cvs
14:38 kyle     Can you get clearance for me to commit my updates? I really don't know how this should work.
14:37 ryan     not sure if the item-level reserves stuff was committed.
14:37 ryan     kyle: yep
14:37 kyle     Do you know if any of the libraries using dev_week are using the current reserves system?
14:36 ryan     looks nice
14:35 ryan     hi kyle
14:33 kados    he's prolly around now
14:33 kyle     any idea when ryan might show up here?
14:33 owen     By the way, kados, be sure to check out the generated source of that ext toolbar example. That's one of the other downsides of ext.
14:32 kados    kyle++
14:32 kyle     Once I get the all clear to integrate it into dev_week, we can look at 3.0 integration.
14:32 kados    owen: looks swank
14:31 kyle     thanks.
14:31 owen     We gotta get this stuff for 3.0!
14:31 owen     I love the "lock" idea
14:31 owen     kyle that looks really great
14:24 kyle     I still need to port it to the npl templates, but that will only take a few minutes.
14:24 kyle     let me know what you think
14:24 kyle     New reserves snapshot: http://kylehall.info/index.php/2007/10/18/reserves-system-update/
14:03 kados    makes sense
14:03 kados    *nod*
13:57 owen     I don't know. I still need to see how flexible it is to style. But the code seems a lot more straightforward to me. I also need to check out much the ext libraries weigh when configured correctly for what we need
13:56 kados    owen: so are you settled on the ext menu?
13:46 kyle     ok
13:45 kados    starting with 3524
13:45 kados    $onloan_count
13:45 kados    actually, you'll want to do it like onloancount is done
13:45 kyle     if I ever get Krita installed an downloaded ; \ Switched to Kubuntu Gutsy yesterday.
13:44 kyle     I'll post a screenshot in a minute.
13:44 kados    sweet
13:43 kyle     Yeah, most of my work on Reserves2 are just additional subs and a few modificatinos to existing ones.
13:43 kyle     thanks.
13:43 kados    if all you need is the count, might make sense to just do a SQL one-liner
13:42 kados    kyle: so you'll have to check if there's a lightweight enough function to pull out the count for you
13:41 kados    hehe
13:41 kados    3521
13:41 kados    Search.pm
13:41 kados    sure
13:41 kyle     can you point me to a particular file and line number?
13:40 kados    kyle: you'll want to add it to the items_loop ref to hashrefs
13:38 kados    kyle: I'll show you, just a sec
13:37 kados    kyle: right
13:37 kyle     kados: we would like to have an indicator that an item is on reserve from the circ catalog search. I think having the Reserves link say "Reserves (2)" if two people have reserved the item would be nice, but I don't know where to actually put the code.
13:37 dbs      hey kados
13:37 kados    dbs: mornin
13:34 kados    owen: nope
13:34 kados    (long night last night)
13:34 owen     npl's not getting a dev_week update, though, are we?
13:34 kados    kyle: he's just walked into the office, he should be at his desk in a few minutes
13:34 kyle     heh, more than I expected ; )
13:34 hdl      maybe.
13:34 kados    kyle: npl, stow, ccfls, barberton run dev_week
13:34 kyle     ok, I'll ask him.
13:34 owen     hdl: Embed the gettext function in the files themselves?
13:33 kados    he's taken on the task of maintaining that version
13:33 kyle     From what I've been told, only npl and ccfls run dev_week. And npl does not use the reserves system.
13:33 kados    kyle: best person to answer that would be ryan actually
13:33 hdl      owen : maybe you would have to put a dummy gettext function in those files.
13:33 kados    good question
13:33 kados    hiya kyle
13:32 kyle     kados: I'm almost finished with my Reserves work. Is it safe for me to just commit it to dev_week?
13:32 kados    hehe
13:32 paul     (/me happy to have 2 DSL connexion at home : one for home one for business... the business one is broken since yesterday, but the home one works fine ;-) )
13:32 kados    owen: yea, should
13:32 owen     I mean <script src="linked.js"></script>
13:31 hdl      yes, as far as you have _( ) around the string to translate.
13:31 paul     owen : what do you call "linked js files" ?
13:31 kados    hiya paul
13:31 paul     hello world.
13:31 kados    we'll have to test it I suppose
13:31 owen     Does the translator work on linked js files?
13:30 kados    thanks hdl
13:30 kados    that's something to consider
13:30 kados    ahh, yes, translations
13:30 hdl      owen : translations may be quite messy if it is not possible to play with margins and so.
13:29 kados    ExtMenu.js
13:29 kados    ahh, ok, I see
13:29 foxnorth owen: hhmm i'd have to check the docs :)
13:29 owen     js
13:28 kados    owen: so the css triggers the whole thing?
13:28 owen     foxnorth: can I not add the same "iconCls:" to the menu items as I can with the toolbar items?
13:27 owen     Try now
13:27 owen     Sorry, I'm working on it just now
13:27 hdl      owen : I had a js error on your link : zivotdesign
13:19 foxnorth that's a good question; i haven't tried playing around w/ the css at all
13:16 owen     One thing I'm not sure of is how picky ext is about changing the style of buttons and menus. For instance, if I play around with margins or padding, is the alignment of the menu dropdown going to get messed up?
13:16 kados    ahh
13:16 owen     ...which is what I was trying to do with the YUI menu anyway
13:16 owen     No, they don't degrade at all, without help. I'd have to have ext/jquery overwrite a hard-coded menu
13:15 kados    owen: just looking at the page source, it doesn't appear they degrade very well, or is there something I'm missing?
13:14 kados    owen: those look very slick
13:13 owen     foxnorth: I saw this ext forum post: http://extjs.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12288 which leads me to believe there isn't a workaround (since it's being suggested as a feature request)
13:09 foxnorth maybe not...
13:09 owen     I don't know if there's a way around that or not. But then I remembered that in our current intranet those are form buttons which can't be right-clicked anyway, so maybe it's a non-issue
13:09 foxnorth yeah, that is unfortunate!
13:09 foxnorth very nice!
13:08 owen     foxnorth: I was worrying about the fact that the buttons can't function like regular links, for the purpose of open in new tab, or whatever
13:08 owen     None of the links work, of course, but you get the idea
13:07 owen     kados, foxnorth: here's the ext toolbar test I put together: http://zivotdesign.com/examples/ext/menu.html
13:05 kados    hiya owen
13:05 owen     Hi kados
12:57 kados    kyle: what's up?
12:57 kados    kyle: am now
11:28 kyle     kados, you around?