Time Nick Message 05:02 chris cya later 05:02 atz ttyl 05:02 ATA BYE 05:02 ATA Thank you chris and atz 05:01 ATA Ok friends thanks 05:01 ATA lol 05:00 atz :) 05:00 atz remote desktop 05:00 ATA You know windows users always look for gui 05:00 chris either :) 05:00 chris that i dont know 05:00 ATA vmware image is good but how to enter its gui mode? 04:59 atz i'd recommend just doing VMware w/ linux image on win32 04:59 atz nice 04:59 chris rob does a pretty neat click click its installed thing 04:59 chris no its a fullblown apache for windows, mysql for windows, active state perl etc 04:58 atz is it a cygwin version? 04:58 ATA I asked him a couple of time but no response, i think he is really a buzy man 04:58 chris koha for windows is sorta unofficial :-) 04:57 chris the windows port is done by rob weir 04:57 ATA :) @ atz 04:57 chris that i dont know 04:57 ATA One more question, when koha 2.29 is going to be released for windows? 04:57 chris not sure when it will be ported to windows 04:57 atz :) 04:57 atz liblime is hiring 4 new people. including me. 04:57 ATA Ok 04:56 chris there really isnt a set time, but it shouldnt be far away we are working hard on closing all the bugs at the moment 04:56 ATA I am windows user of koha 04:56 chris ahh when we get the last of the bugs fixed 04:56 ATA I mean when it is going to release? 04:56 ATA hmmm 04:56 chris :) 04:56 chris what about it? 04:55 ATA Would you mind telling me about the release of koha 3.0? 04:55 ATA How do you do chris? 04:55 chris hi ata 04:54 ATA hi all 00:33 [K] *** join #koha@FreeNode: rangi n=chris@203-118-134-114.netspace.net.nz 23:54 [K] *** part FreeNode!#koha: rangi n=chris@203-118-134-114.netspace.net.nz 21:22 masonj great move with the postgres too, fbcit :) 21:21 masonj cya, 21:21 kados laters 21:21 fbcit off for the night... 21:17 kados sweet 21:17 fbcit Everything worked following the ex on the page you pointed me to. 21:16 kados so you have a local copy of the entire repo when you clone 21:16 kados git is completely different in that it's a distributed vcs 21:16 fbcit ;-) 21:16 fbcit the one I git seems to work ok... 21:16 kados I'm not sure about the red hat, but in debian you want git-core 21:16 fbcit I'm used to svn, but git seems straight forward enough... 21:15 kados there's another git out there :/ 21:15 fbcit kados: yum install git.... 21:14 masonj sounds good 21:14 kados all the tables should be utf8 21:14 masonj im not too sure on the other tables, but the labels* tables can all be utf8 21:14 kados :-) 21:14 kados because we'd love to get your patch when you're done 21:13 kados fbcit: so did you read over the basics of Git? 21:13 kados sed++ 21:13 kados hehe 21:13 fbcit sed all the way :-) 21:13 kados (also easy to fix with a regex :-) 21:13 kados because in mysql that's much much faster thatn separate statemnts 21:13 fbcit kados: that's ok. As long as I can drop in here and get some help when I get stuck on the mysql, I'll keep plowing. 21:12 kados we do things like INSERT INTO BRANCH (a,b,c) VALUES (x,y,z),(x,y,z) 21:12 kados fbcit: well, there are a lot of mysqlisms in the installer/data dirs I'm afraid 21:11 fbcit masonj: just to be sure: I can disregard the column collate settings and make the entire db utf8? 21:11 kados fbcit: cool! 21:11 masonj oops, utf8 21:10 masonj ah, all columns should be the same, utf* 21:10 fbcit masonj: I'm most of the way through converting kohastructure.sql to postgresql 21:09 kados fbcit: are you seeing other behavior? 21:09 kados looks like both are set to utf8 fbcit 21:09 masonj hiya fbcit , can u explain a bit more? :) 21:09 kados are you seeing something else in the kohastructure.sql? 21:09 kados IMO using consistant collation should be the goal 21:08 fbcit postgresql does not do collation at the column level. 21:07 kados fbcit: honestly I'm not sure, but masonj or ryan should know 21:00 fbcit kados:in the table 'labels_templates' is the collation of the tmpl_code, tmpl_desc, and units columns different from the rest of the table or could the collation be set the same for the entire table? 20:18 hdl Ok. Now going to bed. 20:17 kados I think so anyway 20:16 kados yep 20:16 hdl Is dev_week branch up to date for all you did ? 20:16 ryan no, record.abs says it's only using 008. 20:15 kados but if I do it over I might 20:15 kados no 20:15 hdl Are you processing date fields before storing them ? 20:15 kados there is no machine-readable place that it's stored except 008 20:14 kados esp marc21 20:14 kados date is very problematic in marc 20:14 hdl (cannot remember the query I did) 20:14 hdl + I did quite the same on ccfls some time ago and order was quite messy. 20:13 kados check the record.abs and search for 'Date' 20:13 hdl Some dates are not showing up in the list you pointed me. 20:13 kados dates are several places 20:13 hdl are you using dates in 008 or in an other specific field ? 20:12 kados it's not 20:12 kados no, nevermind 20:12 kados hdl: r=r might be for ranking 20:10 kados search for harry potter published between 2005-2007 and sort by acquisition date 20:10 masonj morning koha 20:10 kados hdl: http://search.athenscounty.lib.oh.us/search?q=harry+potter+and+%28yr%3A2005-2007%29&sort_by=1%3D32+%3Ei 20:10 kados hdl: yes 20:10 hdl Since you index after the record is stored in database, you could process it before indexing. 20:09 thd I asked improperly. Ignore the first form of the question. 20:09 ryan thd: i do not know ... 20:09 thd ryan: can you index the regular expression result in Zebra without actually storing the regular expression result in the record? 20:09 hdl thd : with zebra, yes. but then, we would need to make a zebra specific record before indexing. 20:07 hdl kados : Does your search and sorting on dates works on dev_week ? 20:07 thd ryan: can you index the regular expression result without actually storing the regular expression? 20:07 hdl This could be the solution. 20:06 hdl I think that we should rather index regexp'ed field. 20:06 hdl :P 20:05 thd hdl: just be thankful that UNIMARC actually provides a separate subfield for publication and copyright dates unlike MARC 21 in which it is not always possible to determine which is which 20:05 ryan so do we add an extra field? or index the regexp'ed field rather than the actual text (in 260$c, eg) 20:04 ryan well, sort by pub year needs to work... 20:04 hdl yes, but catalogers ususally add some texts before and after. 20:03 thd hdl: all text subfield dates in MARC need normalising 20:03 ryan hdl : does unimarc have a pub year field ? 20:02 hdl UNIMARC 20:02 ryan or store a pubyear in 942 ? 20:02 ryan should run a regexp before indexing ? 20:02 kados it expects nnnn 20:02 kados it won't work 20:01 hdl as a year field 20:01 kados it's indexed as a date field? 20:01 hdl with zebra. 20:00 kados with or without zebra? 20:00 hdl It is frustrating not to be able to debug query on Publication date. 20:00 hdl cannot simulate query for yaz-client. 19:54 kados default.idx 19:54 kados charmap @ 19:54 kados completeness 0 19:54 kados index d 19:54 kados # Used if structure=date (@attr 4=5) 19:54 kados # Date 19:53 kados r = relation maybe? 19:53 hdl Yeah, should be but cannot find where you took it from 19:53 kados check bib1.att 19:52 kados it's for date fields maybe 19:52 hdl I searched ccl.properties for that and couldnot see. 19:52 hdl we have problem when searching publication dates. 19:52 kados is'nt it documented? 19:51 hdl kados : what does r=r stand for in ccl.properties ? 19:46 hdl I hope you won't have any problems with it. 19:46 kados thanks hdl 19:46 kados cool, I'll have a look 19:46 hdl Now going to sleep 19:45 hdl Before beeing able to do anything. 19:45 hdl I should have read the doc of the parser and install it. 19:45 kados *nod* 19:45 hdl But i couldnot have time enough to get deep into this. 19:44 hdl thanks. 19:44 hdl yes. 19:44 hdl But it works. 19:44 kados hdl: ok, did you see the link I sent you for the parser? 19:44 hdl It is only on non stemmed and non ranked search 19:43 hdl kados : patch sent to manage truncation 19:43 fbcit kados: r u around? 18:20 tnb thanks for the link to the program! i did not know about those! 18:20 hdl I would certainly forget some. 18:20 tnb ok, I will send him an email 18:20 hdl tnb: I think you'll have to wait for Paul to get a full list of Koha users. 18:19 tnb thanks for the reminder 18:19 tnb yes, i knew about sidarec, but I'm not sure if i've added them yet. 18:19 hdl (remember.) 18:19 hdl Can't find the name. 18:19 hdl Sidarec implemented a Koha in an african country. 18:18 tnb I only offered because it is time-consuming and I was trying to be helpful :) 18:18 hdl http://sidarecyouth.freeflux.net/blog/ 18:18 tnb Would you prefer to add french libraries to the database yourself? 18:17 tnb that's very exciting. 18:17 hdl Eifl.net was there too. Bess sadler took part. 18:16 hdl This was a conference in Dakar, where Koha was much represented. 18:16 hdl Nope. 18:16 tnb and your libraries are listed here as well? (I am opening the pdf now) 18:16 hdl Botwsana and malawi too, iirc. 18:15 hdl Yes. 18:15 tnb oh, it is in the pdf, probably 18:15 hdl Yes look For Kabeya 18:15 tnb hdl: i don't see that university listed... it is on this url? 18:14 tnb those aren't in the wiki (i don't think they are) 18:14 tnb ah, great! 18:13 hdl Kinshasa University is using Koha. 18:13 hdl In This programme you will find some libraries using Koha in Africa. 18:13 tnb i see there are only 6 french libraries currently in the database that is used for this research 18:12 hdl http://www.dakar.aliaco.com/index_en.htm 18:12 tnb that's why we need to make sure Koha libraries get counted 18:12 tnb yep, that researcher was using a specific method for counting 18:12 hdl I saw the figures rported on NGC4LIB. 18:11 tnb It's important for the project for all Koha libraries to be represented in it 18:11 tnb could you send me a list of the french libraries you and paul are supporting? There is a widely-used US research database that we'd like to include them in 18:10 tnb :) 18:10 tnb hdl: hi 18:09 hdl tnb : 18:05 hdl kados : back 17:55 tnb ha! 17:54 atz j/k 17:54 atz ok, i've got some already written... up to about 4th grade when my pet turtle died. 17:52 tnb I'm gunning for early next week for that announcement, so the sooner you can get something to me the happier I'll be :) 17:51 tnb ok, great. I just wanted to make sure it did not get lost in cyber space! 17:51 atz sounds like a good idea 17:51 atz yes 17:51 tnb atz: did you receive my email about the bio? 17:37 Frederic I don't understand why jquery is used. 17:37 Frederic YUI is a very powerfull framework, as you know. 17:37 tnb great! 17:35 Frederic Tnb: email sent... 17:34 kados ajax and ui pieces 17:34 kados Frederic: just pieces 17:34 kados hi 17:34 Frederic Are you integrating YUI to Koha as JS and UI framework, or are you just picking up some pieces, mixing with other libraries (jQuery...)? 17:34 Frederic hiya (?) Kados, 17:32 tnb ok, thanks Frederic! I'll forward your test to Russel so he can add it to the site 17:31 Frederic Hi Tina, I send a text to you June 16th... I will resend it. Thx. Feel free to accomate my idiom to English :) 17:28 tnb we have several US researchers who track who is using Koha, so it benefits the project if I add any new libraries using Koha to those databases 17:27 tnb Frederic: also, if you have any clients you'd like included in the 'koha users' lists, please let me know 17:27 tnb :) 17:27 tnb your name 17:27 tnb seeing you name just reminded me! 17:26 tnb frederic: hi (This is Tina with LibLime). I see you didn't yet make it on the pay for support page on koha.org I actually don't have access right now to directly edit the website, but if you send your company info to rwg@liblime.com, russel should be able to add you 17:23 kados hiya Frederic 17:15 Frederic hello 17:12 tnb yeah, i can't find it now :/ 17:12 kados maybe look on the koha lists 17:12 kados can't rememeber which one thoug 17:12 kados sounds familiar 17:12 tnb do i remember correctly that an African library recently went live? 17:11 tnb ok, good to know 17:11 kados tnb: best time to catch him is in the morning on EST 17:11 kados tnb: I think paul has gone for the day 17:10 tnb paul: when you have time, will you please send me a list of all the libraries you support in France? If we don't add those libraries as "koha users" to some of the US researcher websites, the Koha project is goign to continue to be under-represented. I'm happy to add them, but the users wiki is pretty out of date at this point 16:40 kados paul_away: you must be tired :-) 16:40 kados 09:40 < kados> ahh, cool, thanks 16:40 kados paul_away: so looks like it's not removed :-) 16:40 kados 09:40 < aroben> kados: it did not get removed 16:40 kados 09:40 -!- arwed is now known as alley_cat 16:40 kados 09:39 < kados> did git-send-email get removed from 1.5.3.2 and is there an alternative utility? 16:40 paul time to leave. I'll look later if someone has an explanation... 16:39 kados I wonder if there's a new way to send email patches 16:38 atz so what great new feature makes it worthwhile to upgrade to 1.5.3.2 then? 16:38 kados :-) 16:38 paul unless i'm really really really tired... 16:38 kados yowser 16:38 paul atz : yes 16:38 kados git-send-email ? 16:38 paul time to leave for frenchies... 16:38 atz for real? 16:37 paul all : git-send-semail is no more in git 1.5.3.2 ??? 16:37 paul tnd : yes ? 16:37 paul kados : they use dewey, or nothing (and only itemcallnumber) 16:37 atz greets 16:36 tnb atz: hi joe! 16:36 tnb hdl: ? 16:36 tnb paul: ? 16:31 kados hdl: ? 16:28 kados if any 16:28 kados hdl: which fields in the koha tables do they use for storage of call numbers at the biblioitem level? 16:28 kados hdl: we are hoping you can explain the practice of call numbers among your libraries 16:28 kados hdl: got a sec? 16:15 fbcit kados:tnx. I'll have a look at the code over the next week. 16:09 kados and yes, it's extremely fast 16:09 kados zebra is an indexing engine 16:08 fbcit what is it? (besides brother to a horse...) 16:08 fbcit the query times with zebra were impressive... 16:08 kados fbcit: the no-zebra option is easy :-) 16:07 kados yep, there is a zebra option and a no-zebra option 16:07 fbcit kados: Ok. And I'm not familiar with Zebra though saw references to it on the website. 16:07 kados fbcit: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:git_usage 16:06 kados fbcit: and get familiar with Git 16:06 kados fbcit: you'll want to nab the 3.0 version though 16:06 kados fbcit: if you've done that already, it will likely be a cinch for your team 16:06 kados fbcit: :-) 16:05 kados hdl: it handles right and left truncation natively 16:05 kados hdl: I'm wondering if we should just leave the issue of truncation to Zebra at the back end 16:05 fbcit we just finished moving several apps from MSSQL to PostgreSQL... What could be more different than tsql and every other sql? :-) 16:05 kados hdl: sure 16:04 kados for someone who knows the differences 16:04 hdl kados: it is just that if you want to ask some questions, we could now. 16:04 kados I dunno, maybe a few days 16:04 fbcit I've not looked at the code yet.... 16:03 fbcit kados: any estimate on the size of job doing the query convert would be? 16:03 kados I'll look closely now 16:03 kados hdl: sorry, haven't responded yet 16:03 kados hdl: yes, I did 16:02 kados yup 16:02 fbcit kados: Ahh... I see it is in Perl... 16:01 kados fbcit: we humbly await your patch :-) 16:01 kados but there are a few mysql specific queries still that would need to be adjusted 16:01 kados fbcit: we do use DBI, which has a driver for postgres 16:01 kados fbcit: to use postgres you'd have to tweak some queries 16:00 fbcit kados: I'm not clear from the website or docs.... does Koha support PostgreSQL? 16:00 hdl kados ? did you receive my email ? 15:59 fbcit kados: We are looking at LedgerSMB with some mods for non-profit. 15:58 kados fbcit: which accounting package? 15:58 fbcit kados: We are looking to integrate a library management system with an accounting package so that fines are charged to student accounts. 15:58 kados :) 15:56 fbcit kados: sorry. I typed before I looked.... :-( 15:55 kados fbcit: it's done that since version 1.0 8 years ago :=) 15:55 kados fbcit: ? 15:54 fbcit Are there plans to expand Koha to include the ability to track library fines? 14:52 kyle agreed. 14:52 kyle Something like it for perl would be great. 14:52 kados CGI::Session++ 14:52 kados the cool thing about using sessions is you can hot-copy the session data into a user's account, and easily copy it back to their session, merge it with other sessions, etc. 14:51 kyle Actually, http://pear.php.net/package/Auth_PrefManager is the stable version. 14:51 kyle A good pref manager for php is http://pear.php.net/package/Auth_PrefManager2 14:51 kados not based on tables like in 2.2 14:51 kados the userenv can be arbitrarily expanded 14:50 kados the new session handling in 3.0 is another option I think 14:50 kyle seems to work well. 14:50 kados but we could look at splitting that stuff out into a separate module I suppose 14:50 kados yea, well I'm pretty happy with C4::Context->preference for the global ones 14:49 kyle Have a standard interface for working with prefs. 14:49 kyle Maybe we should write Prefs.pm. 14:48 kyle Yeah, I know what you mean. 14:48 kados kyle: exactly 14:48 kyle You mean, have a default global for each, which is superceded by a default library pref, which is superceded by a user's prefs? 14:48 kados pretty trivial enhancement, it's just the 'death by a thousand papercuts' thing :-) 14:47 kados kyle: I'd love to distinguish between global preferences, library preferences and user preferences 14:47 kyle That's cool. I'll check that out. 14:47 kados kyle: yea, absolutely 14:47 kados that code is in rel-TG 14:47 kyle I think I should add a prefs for borrowers so they can choose which ways to be contacted about various items. 14:46 kados tumer's already done that 14:46 kyle Ok, I figured I'd do that. Jo from HLT also want's to be able to text message cell phones with reserve messages. That wouldn't be a problem if I could find a public API for texting. I think Yahoo might have one. 14:46 kados it's not really that impressive, it's a couple of lines in perl IIRC 14:45 kados kyle: but I can send you a patch that does that 14:45 kados kyle: no, I don't think that's ever made it into the general release 14:44 kyle question: does the current reserves system automatically e-mail people who have entered e-mail addresses? I couldn't find anything referencing it in Reserves2.pm 14:44 ryan great ... those are some nice features 14:43 kyle Yes, I'll add those new columns to updatedatabase. 14:43 kyle I'll give my code a good twice-over, clean up the docs, and commit it. 14:43 ryan cool - you'll add to updatedatebase ? 14:41 kyle There are some new columns in the reserves table, and some new private and public subs. 14:40 ryan or tables ? 14:40 ryan do you change the api ? 14:40 ryan so np to commit 14:40 ryan kyle: yes, everyone else has drifted from stock cvs 14:38 kyle Can you get clearance for me to commit my updates? I really don't know how this should work. 14:37 ryan not sure if the item-level reserves stuff was committed. 14:37 ryan kyle: yep 14:37 kyle Do you know if any of the libraries using dev_week are using the current reserves system? 14:36 ryan looks nice 14:35 ryan hi kyle 14:33 kados he's prolly around now 14:33 kyle any idea when ryan might show up here? 14:33 owen By the way, kados, be sure to check out the generated source of that ext toolbar example. That's one of the other downsides of ext. 14:32 kados kyle++ 14:32 kyle Once I get the all clear to integrate it into dev_week, we can look at 3.0 integration. 14:32 kados owen: looks swank 14:31 kyle thanks. 14:31 owen We gotta get this stuff for 3.0! 14:31 owen I love the "lock" idea 14:31 owen kyle that looks really great 14:24 kyle I still need to port it to the npl templates, but that will only take a few minutes. 14:24 kyle let me know what you think 14:24 kyle New reserves snapshot: http://kylehall.info/index.php/2007/10/18/reserves-system-update/ 14:03 kados makes sense 14:03 kados *nod* 13:57 owen I don't know. I still need to see how flexible it is to style. But the code seems a lot more straightforward to me. I also need to check out much the ext libraries weigh when configured correctly for what we need 13:56 kados owen: so are you settled on the ext menu? 13:46 kyle ok 13:45 kados starting with 3524 13:45 kados $onloan_count 13:45 kados actually, you'll want to do it like onloancount is done 13:45 kyle if I ever get Krita installed an downloaded ; \ Switched to Kubuntu Gutsy yesterday. 13:44 kyle I'll post a screenshot in a minute. 13:44 kados sweet 13:43 kyle Yeah, most of my work on Reserves2 are just additional subs and a few modificatinos to existing ones. 13:43 kyle thanks. 13:43 kados if all you need is the count, might make sense to just do a SQL one-liner 13:42 kados kyle: so you'll have to check if there's a lightweight enough function to pull out the count for you 13:41 kados hehe 13:41 kados 3521 13:41 kados Search.pm 13:41 kados sure 13:41 kyle can you point me to a particular file and line number? 13:40 kados kyle: you'll want to add it to the items_loop ref to hashrefs 13:38 kados kyle: I'll show you, just a sec 13:37 kados kyle: right 13:37 kyle kados: we would like to have an indicator that an item is on reserve from the circ catalog search. I think having the Reserves link say "Reserves (2)" if two people have reserved the item would be nice, but I don't know where to actually put the code. 13:37 dbs hey kados 13:37 kados dbs: mornin 13:34 kados owen: nope 13:34 kados (long night last night) 13:34 owen npl's not getting a dev_week update, though, are we? 13:34 kados kyle: he's just walked into the office, he should be at his desk in a few minutes 13:34 kyle heh, more than I expected ; ) 13:34 hdl maybe. 13:34 kados kyle: npl, stow, ccfls, barberton run dev_week 13:34 kyle ok, I'll ask him. 13:34 owen hdl: Embed the gettext function in the files themselves? 13:33 kados he's taken on the task of maintaining that version 13:33 kyle From what I've been told, only npl and ccfls run dev_week. And npl does not use the reserves system. 13:33 kados kyle: best person to answer that would be ryan actually 13:33 hdl owen : maybe you would have to put a dummy gettext function in those files. 13:33 kados good question 13:33 kados hiya kyle 13:32 kyle kados: I'm almost finished with my Reserves work. Is it safe for me to just commit it to dev_week? 13:32 kados hehe 13:32 paul (/me happy to have 2 DSL connexion at home : one for home one for business... the business one is broken since yesterday, but the home one works fine ;-) ) 13:32 kados owen: yea, should 13:32 owen I mean <script src="linked.js"></script> 13:31 hdl yes, as far as you have _( ) around the string to translate. 13:31 paul owen : what do you call "linked js files" ? 13:31 kados hiya paul 13:31 paul hello world. 13:31 kados we'll have to test it I suppose 13:31 owen Does the translator work on linked js files? 13:30 kados thanks hdl 13:30 kados that's something to consider 13:30 kados ahh, yes, translations 13:30 hdl owen : translations may be quite messy if it is not possible to play with margins and so. 13:29 kados ExtMenu.js 13:29 kados ahh, ok, I see 13:29 foxnorth owen: hhmm i'd have to check the docs :) 13:29 owen js 13:28 kados owen: so the css triggers the whole thing? 13:28 owen foxnorth: can I not add the same "iconCls:" to the menu items as I can with the toolbar items? 13:27 owen Try now 13:27 owen Sorry, I'm working on it just now 13:27 hdl owen : I had a js error on your link : zivotdesign 13:19 foxnorth that's a good question; i haven't tried playing around w/ the css at all 13:16 owen One thing I'm not sure of is how picky ext is about changing the style of buttons and menus. For instance, if I play around with margins or padding, is the alignment of the menu dropdown going to get messed up? 13:16 kados ahh 13:16 owen ...which is what I was trying to do with the YUI menu anyway 13:16 owen No, they don't degrade at all, without help. I'd have to have ext/jquery overwrite a hard-coded menu 13:15 kados owen: just looking at the page source, it doesn't appear they degrade very well, or is there something I'm missing? 13:14 kados owen: those look very slick 13:13 owen foxnorth: I saw this ext forum post: http://extjs.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12288 which leads me to believe there isn't a workaround (since it's being suggested as a feature request) 13:09 foxnorth maybe not... 13:09 owen I don't know if there's a way around that or not. But then I remembered that in our current intranet those are form buttons which can't be right-clicked anyway, so maybe it's a non-issue 13:09 foxnorth yeah, that is unfortunate! 13:09 foxnorth very nice! 13:08 owen foxnorth: I was worrying about the fact that the buttons can't function like regular links, for the purpose of open in new tab, or whatever 13:08 owen None of the links work, of course, but you get the idea 13:07 owen kados, foxnorth: here's the ext toolbar test I put together: http://zivotdesign.com/examples/ext/menu.html 13:05 kados hiya owen 13:05 owen Hi kados 12:57 kados kyle: what's up? 12:57 kados kyle: am now 11:28 kyle kados, you around?