Time Nick Message 12:56 kados morning all 12:59 paul hello kados 13:03 owen Hi paul 13:04 paul hi owen. 13:04 masonj hi guys, im up too 13:04 owen I thought it was required by law in France :) 13:04 paul owen : I haven't seen any commit from monday. you had no success with patrons ? 13:05 paul owen : it's required by law , maybe, but i'm a Rebel :-D 13:05 owen paul, I submitted a patch, but it didn't get approved yet 13:05 paul ok. kados, feel free to approve owen patch then ;-) 13:05 paul I have a quick question for you : 13:05 paul http://i15.bureau.paulpoulain.com/cgi-bin/koha/members/moremember.pl?borrowernumber=1 13:06 paul (login abel / abel) 13:06 paul there is a breadcrumb on the left and an "action" bar on the right (my css) 13:06 paul should not one of them be removed ? 13:07 paul (and if it's action, were should we store all actions that are not in breadcrumb ?) 13:07 owen Our plan was to have "views" on the left, and "actions" in a toolbar at the top of the main content area 13:07 paul Fines, Read reco, modif log are "views", right ? 13:08 owen yes 13:08 paul is there a page where it's done ? 13:08 owen No, unfortunately. That's next on our list 13:09 paul OK. So, next question : 13:09 paul http://i15.bureau.paulpoulain.com/cgi-bin/koha/acqui/acqui-home.pl 13:09 paul the menu on the left will disappeard, right ? 13:09 owen It will be replaced with an acquisitions-specific menu 13:10 paul (that is atm the "submenu" : "Add supplier, Late orders,... 13:10 paul right ? 13:10 owen Yes, and anything else that is missing 13:10 paul ??? 13:11 owen I mean we can put anything we want in the menu, it doesn't have to be just like the one that's there now 13:11 paul but just acqui related things, isn't it ? 13:11 owen yes 13:11 paul OK 13:12 paul what about letting me play with acqui module design, to see if I have understood the concepts ? 13:13 owen Sure, I don't mind 13:13 paul which module do you consider as "most advanced" 13:13 paul (/me suspect a frenchism) 13:13 owen I'm not doing things module-by-module. I'm adding one piece to everything, then another piece to everything, etc. 13:13 owen For instance, toolbars are not done on any pages 13:13 owen Breadcrumbs are done for many pages 13:14 paul ok, so I may let you play with everything. 13:14 paul do you have an idea of the timeline to have something correct ? 13:25 owen Sorry, paul, I don't have a timeline. I know that is frustrating. 13:26 paul not frustating : very frustrating ! 13:26 kados there are still non-template things we're waiting to finalize anyway 13:26 paul kados: installer is done and members on the way. anything else ? 13:27 kados for instance, we still need to 'walk the database' and make sure all the db design is correct 13:27 kados the installer is far from done 13:27 kados paul: have you tried it? 13:27 paul (something like half the bugs on bugs.koha.org are related to members & I plan to deal with them asap) 13:27 kados (cool) 13:27 paul kados: nope, could not find time for that 13:27 kados paul++ 13:28 paul why, it does not work ? 13:29 kados the installer is not finished 13:31 paul what do you mean by "not finished" ? it is bugguy in what it does or it does not do everything ? 13:33 kados perhaps both 13:33 kados definitely doesn't do everything 13:33 kados for instance, it doesn't set up zebra at all 13:34 kados it's really just a matter of moving files into place 13:34 paul misc/rebuild_zebra.pl can help a lot anyway 13:34 kados but the installer doesn't do that yet 13:34 paul so, maybe the installer could do that. 13:34 paul Note that it depends wether you want Zebra or NoZebra ;-) 13:36 kados :_) 13:50 owen Paul, do you plan to do some template work? 13:50 paul not today. I'll wait for some more commits 13:51 paul + as kados spoke of the installer, i'll give it a try ;-) 13:53 owen Lots of other fun bugs in Bugzilla too ;) 13:53 paul affected to v3 ? 13:53 paul I see 16 bugs 13:55 owen There are also many marked "HEAD" which should be reviewed and corrected if they're not really v3 bugs 14:21 kados tim: 14:21 kados [Tue Sep 18 08:42:05 2007] [error] [client 192.168.1.33] Q2 : select distinct m1.bibid from biblio,biblioitems,marc_biblio,marc_word 14:21 kados as m1,marc_word as m2,marc_word as m3,marc_word as m4,marc_word as m5,marc_word as m6,marc_word as m7,marc_word as m8,marc_word as 14:21 kados m9 where biblio.biblionumber=marc_biblio.biblionumber and biblio.biblionumber=biblioitems.biblionumber and m1.bibid=marc_biblio.bibi 14:21 kados d and (m1.bibid=m2.bibid and m1.bibid=m3.bibid and m1.bibid=m4.bibid and m1.bibid=m5.bibid and m1.bibid=m6.bibid and m1.bibid=m7.bib 14:21 kados id and m1.bibid=m8.bibid and m1.bibid=m9.bibid) and ((m1.word like 'Speed' and m1.tagsubfield in ('245a'))and (m2.word like 'show' 14:21 kados and m2.tagsubfield in('245a'))and (m3.word like 'How' and m3.tagsubfield in('245b'))and (m4.word like 'Nascar' and m4.tagsubfield in 14:21 kados ('245b'))and (m5.word like 'won' and m5.tagsubfield in('245b'))and (m6.word like 'heart' and m6.tagsubfield in('245b'))and (m7.word 14:21 kados like 'of' and m7.tagsubfield in('245b'))and (m8.word like 'America' and m8.tagsubfield in('245b'))and (m9.word like 'Caldwell' and m 14:21 kados 9.tagsubfield in('100a'))) order by biblio.title ASC term is Speed show How Nascar won the heart of America Caldwell Dave Kingfish 14:21 kados er at /home/kohatest/intranet/modules/C4/SearchMarc.pm 14:22 kados tim: that's one heck of a query :-) 14:22 kados tim: I have a feeling that FindDuplicate routine is acting up 14:36 kados foxnorth: how's it going? 14:37 foxnorth kados: making a little progress 14:39 kados foxnorth: with searching? 14:39 foxnorth kados: i'm trying out the cvs marc-file-xml. I don't think it fixed the problem...i'm trying to track down why search results aren't displaying properly right now 14:39 kados *nod* 14:39 foxnorth kados: i'm disabling the target filtering code to see if that's the cultprit in results not displaying 14:57 kados paul: did you see my email about moving the MARC type (UNIMARC, MARC21, etc.) to the framework instead of a syspref? 14:57 kados paul: i was wondering what you thought about that 14:57 paul yep. sounds a good idea. 14:57 paul although it may be tricky & could confuse users that we support more than 1 marc at at once. 14:57 kados should we add something to the table in kohastructure.sql to allow that, even if we don't have time to code it before 3.0? 14:58 kados paul: ahh, I thought it would be a feature, some ILSes claim to support more than 1 marc at once 14:58 paul yes, but what about getting records from various z3950 servers ? 14:58 paul or indexing multimarc in zebra ? 14:58 paul that will fail miserabily 14:59 kados zebra you're right, we'd have to have biblios/usmarc biblios/unimarc 14:59 kados two separate databases 14:59 kados unless maybe the new xpath stuff could handle it 14:59 paul that will be more complex than just a new field ;-) 14:59 kados :-) 15:00 paul I think DublinCore is the best way to go on the long term 15:00 kados yea, DC++ 15:05 paul kados : mail sent to koha-devel about installer 15:05 tim kados: I get a brain cramp trying to wrap my head around that query. 15:06 kados paul++ 15:06 kados tim: hehe, yea, that's why no-one's fixed it :-) 15:06 kados paul: did you know there's a severe bug in FindDuplicate that causes mysql to come to a screeching halt under certain circumstances? 15:06 kados it happens pretty rarely, but when it does it's catestrophic 15:06 paul I don't think it's FindDuplicate... 15:07 kados yep, it is 15:07 paul I think it's the 2.2 search structure. 15:07 tim Just about everyone here's probably more prepared to fix it than I am. Maybe the challenge will motivate me. 15:07 kados for certain long titles or authors 15:07 paul because when you search for 15:07 paul /password, and only that. 15:07 paul HTH 15:07 paul -- 15:07 paul Paul POULAIN et Henri Damien LAURENT 15:07 paul Consultants indépendants en logiciels libres et bibliothéconomie (http://www.koha-fr.org) 15:07 paul Tel : 04 91 31 45 19 15:07 paul oups... 15:07 paul because when you search for 15:07 paul Speed show How Nascar won the heart of America Caldwell Dave Kingfish 15:08 paul it search each word separately and LEFT join each search. 15:08 paul I bet that some words like "HOW", "WON", "America" have 1000 answers. 15:08 paul so the query is LLLLOOOOONNNNGGGG 15:08 kados yea 15:08 paul even if there are just a few results 15:08 tim I use the heck outta left join in my queries 15:08 paul heck outta ??? 15:09 paul (tim : remember i'm french, english is not native to me ;-) ) 15:09 kados tim means that he uses left join queries a lot :-) 15:10 tim It's the first join I figured out how to use so I stuck with it. 15:10 paul yep, but this one is 10 left join (stopword should remove THE and OF I think) 15:10 kados 'use the heck outta' or ... 'to use the heck out of' ... means 'use a lot' :-) 15:10 paul and 10 left join are really a lot ! 15:11 tim I'll try to use real English here. 15:11 tim Or at least something close. 15:13 kados :) 15:20 owen Is there a difference between import.pl and breeding.pl? 15:20 paul owen: breeding is for the reservoir. 15:20 paul i don't know what import is done for. 15:21 owen The look the same. The both say MARC acquisition system: Import into the reservoir 15:26 hdl owen : 15:26 hdl a diff between the two files showed no diff but the template name. (and some versionning history.) 15:27 kados git-rm is in order :-) 15:27 hdl < # Changing import script name (breeding.pl) to import.pl 15:28 hdl line 126. 15:52 owen Can anyone confirm that tools/printerConfig.tmpl is no longer used? 15:52 paul you should ask chris, he may have some suggestions about that 15:52 paul afaik, you're right 15:53 paul mmm... nope, i'm wrong 15:53 paul it was something related to barcode printing iirc 15:53 kados I thought it was for the old unix printer 15:53 kados which I'm not sure anyone uses anymore 15:54 kados grep -r printerConfig.tmpl * 15:54 kados just shows some po files on my install 15:54 paul iirc, admin/printer.pl is for the old unix printer 15:54 paul printerConfig was used by the old barcode module 15:54 kados ahh, right 15:54 kados yea, we can safely remov that I think 15:54 kados git-rm ++ 15:54 paul (we can remove both I think...)à 15:55 kados ye 15:55 kados a 15:55 kados but lets make sure hlt aren't still using printers.pl 15:55 paul (except we should ask chris about printers.pl) 15:55 paul (that's what I was meaning) 15:55 kados and if it works, no sense in removing it just because no--one uses it ... someone in the future might want to :-) 15:59 kados I'm confused about the distinction between tools/ and admin/ 16:00 kados and BTW: ading a printer, queue, and type works OK 16:00 kados whether it actually _does_ anything is another story :-) 16:00 kados so tools vs admin? 16:00 kados paul: do you know the diff? 16:01 paul tool is for librarian tools, admin is to set up parameters. 16:01 paul printerConfig was related to configuring a printer for PDF generator (barcode) 16:01 paul it was something like "page size", orientation... 16:01 paul iirc 16:02 kados ok, I see now 16:02 kados reservoir, export, news, these are librarian tools 16:02 kados and the admin stuff is just for the sys admin 16:02 kados got it 16:02 kados paul: would you object to changing the name of 'Letters' to 'Notices' ? 16:03 kados Letters doesn't make much sense in english, we usually say 'Notices' 16:03 paul not at all. "letters" is a frenchism i'm afraid 16:03 paul you're better in english than me, definetly ;-) 16:03 kados hehe 16:05 kados and maybe 'News' should be 'Library Blog' ? 16:05 paul it's not really blogging. 16:06 paul on OPAC, it's more a small tool to inform the users that the library is closed next monday, that books related to X are available,... 16:06 kados ahh, ok 16:07 paul will appear on OPAC or on librarian interface, depending on the librarian choice 16:07 paul SANOP uses them on librarian interface to announce bugfixing & specific koha-related things. 16:07 kados why is overdue rules a tool, but circulation rules an admin? 16:07 paul good question... 16:07 paul they should probably be at the same place. 16:07 kados probably admin IMO 16:08 kados and clean borrowers seems like an admin function too 16:08 kados and 'Show lost items' is a report, right? 16:09 kados so shouldn't it go in reports? 16:09 kados and what about log viewer, isn't that admin function? 16:09 paul clean borrower = mmm... I don't think it's an admin function. 16:09 kados k 16:09 paul (at least in france, were we have a law specifying the rules) 16:10 paul show lost items : maybe it's a report. In fact, I think we should divide the reports in 2 parts : the lists and the stats 16:10 owen clean borrowers is not an admin function because it needs to be performed by non-admin users? 16:10 kados we have a new report writer too 16:10 paul log viewer: can be discussed wether it's a tool or an admin. 16:10 paul kados : really, we have ? 16:10 kados paul: chris is developing it 16:10 paul owen : I think yes 16:10 owen I see 16:11 kados paul: it's a 'guided report wizard' 16:11 paul kados : when will something be commited to git ? 16:11 kados we'll have to check with russ 16:12 kados it's quite nice from what I've seen 16:12 kados he's working on a 'dictionary' currently 16:13 paul a dictionary ? 16:13 dewey rumour has it a dictionary is not entirely correct, as you will see 16:13 owen NPL is impatient to see it too ;) 16:13 kados it allows you to define a generic category, and map it to a group of fields in the db 16:14 kados so you can create a category called, for instance, 'young borrowers' and map it to a range of borrower birthdays 16:15 kados anyway ... 16:15 kados owen: so we can move Overdue Rules to admin 16:15 kados and Items Lost shoudl be in reports 16:16 kados I will volunteer to do it if noone else wants to 16:16 kados (and re-name Letters to 'Notices') 16:16 kados owen: should I wait until you push your latest changes, have there been massive updates to tools/ and admin/ templates? 16:17 owen I just did a lot of commits to Tools and some to Admin 16:17 kados cool, I'll wait then 16:17 owen I can submit patches now if that helps move things along 16:17 kados naw, no rush 16:18 kados I've got plenty to do :-) 16:18 owen Imagine that. 16:18 kados hehe 16:18 kados one thing I noticed 16:18 kados is that the tools subnav is a bit different than the tools 'dashboard' 16:19 owen Thanks, I'll review it 16:20 kados and I was thinking about those dashboards 16:20 kados what I think we should do there 16:20 kados is have a four column design 16:20 kados no left-hand panel 16:20 kados or maybe a three column design 16:20 kados so we can fit more toolname+description on the page 16:20 owen that makes sense 16:23 kados each tool could have an icon too if we wanted to get fancy :-) 16:25 owen Add that to your wish list 16:27 kados hehe, yea 16:31 paul kados : i have some commits that could be interesting for owen. 16:31 paul can I send them directly to you ? 16:31 paul (so you validate them quickly & owen can retrieve them) 16:34 kados well, Chris is QA 16:34 kados they have to go through him first 16:34 kados but you can send them to owen separately 16:34 kados and he can submit to chris 16:35 kados we're running in distributed mode now, remember? :-) 16:36 paul owen : mail with some patches sent. 16:36 paul kados : yep, although i'm still a little bit troubled by that ;-) 16:39 kados heh 16:39 kados bug fixes? 16:40 paul member editing + a hardcoded CPL branch in some templates 16:40 kados CPL? 16:40 kados ahh, removing CPL you mean? 16:40 paul yes, I really don't know what it means. It was written <input type=hidden name="branch" value="CPL"> 16:41 owen Ah, a badly-done cut and paste on my part 16:41 paul probably ;-) 16:41 owen Should have had a <!-- TMPL_VAR --> instead, sorry. 16:41 paul the patch fixed that owen 16:41 paul the patch fixes that owen 16:41 paul the patch fix that owen (is the correct way to write it isn't it ?) 16:42 owen #2 is correct 16:47 paul_away see you tomorrow world 17:40 kados scarry, I'm almost caught up with my todo list 17:41 kados that never happens :-) 18:05 kados owen: I've seen the light w/respect to virtual shelves btw 18:05 owen Shine it on me, man 18:06 kados well, we need to re-implement them, and the book bag 18:06 kados basically merge the two, plus add some new features 18:06 kados rather than have 'types' of virtual shelves, we should have them owned by a user and make them 'sharable' to individuals or globally 18:07 kados and we should rename them to something like 'Lists' 18:07 kados 'my lists' or something 18:07 kados cuz the're not really shelves in the first place :-) 18:08 kados and the staff ones could be 'staff picks' 18:09 kados basically the idea is good, but we need to expand it a bit 18:10 owen Sounds good to me. Is this what happens when you finish your todo list? 18:12 kados hehe 18:12 kados well, I don't have time to work on that unfortunately, I just noticed the thread on NPL's forums 18:13 kados but we do have a customer who's going to be sponsoring this work in early 08 18:17 jaron liblime customers who sponsor changes I like++ :) 18:18 kados hehe, me too :-) 18:18 kados staying_in_business++ :-) 18:54 johnb Kados you around? 18:54 kados johnb: sure am 18:55 johnb At ALA we talked about a way to take the fuzziness out of the Intranet side of things? 18:55 kados right, I think I gave cindy that info 18:56 kados no luck with it yet? 18:56 johnb Well, it worked but we lost sorting:( 18:57 kados hmmm 18:57 johnb My librarians really want it and frankly I do too 18:57 johnb I know this will take time and time is money 18:58 johnb If you could give this some thought and get abck to me 18:58 johnb sorry back 18:58 kados well I'll have to look at what cindy changed to figure out what happened to sorting 18:58 kados which I'd be happy to do 18:58 johnb The other thing is John H. from Pailnet stoped by last week 18:59 johnb Please forgive spelling 19:04 kados *nod* 19:06 johnb We talked about setting up a vm version of dev week 19:07 johnb Cindy is with me and said she will try again with you instructions concerning the sorting she is muttering something about we're running a new version of zebra 19:08 kados ok, sounds good 19:09 johnb Thans, Kados 19:09 johnb I can't even spell thanks 19:09 kados :) 19:38 owen kados those patches that paul sent me: none of them applied 19:38 owen I'm pretty vague about the whole patch process, so I'm not sure what to do about it 19:42 kados owen: right 19:42 kados ok, so don't worry abotu them 19:42 kados paul can submit to chris I'd say 19:43 owen Fair enough. 19:43 kados owen: I assumed you checked everything in before the attempt? 19:43 owen yes 19:43 kados if so, you can clean up by just doing a fresh checkout with -f for that branch 19:43 owen Why would I need a fresh checkout? 19:44 owen Because of possible conflicts with my unapproved changes? 19:44 kados I guess if there were conflicts you might want to start fresh 19:44 kados but if you didn't even get that far, I think everything's in the .dotest dir 19:44 kados so you can just delete that 19:44 kados chris: that sound right? 19:45 kados owen: so that virtual shelves script is exiting after get_template_and_user, it's weird 20:03 chris yep 00:41 Brooke hola hola! 00:42 kados hey Brooke 00:43 kados Brooke: I've got some good news for you :-) 00:43 Brooke oooooh 00:43 Brooke spill it 00:43 kados chris and russ finished the integrated help writer on Friday 00:43 kados you wanna try it out? 00:43 Brooke sure why not? 00:44 chris i think the v3 might still be broken :( or have you fixed it joshua? 00:44 kados k, sec and I'll get you creds 00:44 kados chris: it was working for me earlier 00:44 chris (by broken i mean uninstalled ) 00:44 kados yea, I'll just give her my one 00:45 chris cool 00:55 chris heya dan 00:55 dbs Hi chris 00:55 dbs Another late night... sigh 00:56 [K] *** join #koha@FreeNode: rangi n=nnchris@203.118.134.114 00:56 chris whats keeping you up tonight? 00:58 dbs Prepping for a faculty meeting tomorrow; I have three or four different agenda items to present on. Sigh. 00:58 chris ahh meetings 00:59 chris thinkgeek has a great poster about them 01:00 dbs On the bright side: I'll be hiring a good student who will be able to give me ten hours/week of support 01:00 chris http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/posters/5cd9/ 01:00 chris oh excellent 01:01 dbs Hey - am I blind? Who wrote http://blogs.liblime.com/open-sesame/2007/09/18/the-next-generation-opac-how-koha-zoom-stacks-up/ 01:01 chris tina 01:01 dbs Ah, okay 01:01 dbs Karen's comments on feedback from spellcheck looked very familiar 01:02 dbs lol - great poster 01:03 chris working lists would be cool 01:04 chris shouldnt be too hard to add, we do pretty decent session handling, so it would be just adding to that 01:05 dbs hah 01:05 dbs moi aussi 07:22 hdl chris around ? 07:33 chris yep hdl 07:38 paul chris : did you recieve my patches about systempreferences ? 07:38 paul I don't know why it doesn't apply... 07:38 chris i got an email, it only had one file attached 07:38 chris is that right? 07:38 paul nope, should have 2 07:38 paul (1 .sql, 1 .txt) 07:38 paul sending it again... 07:39 chris cool 07:39 paul sent 07:40 chris weird seems to just be the sql 07:40 paul the .txt is very small (2 or 3 lines) 07:41 chris i wonder if the mailserver is mashing it, can you try sending it to chris@bigballofwax.co.nz 07:41 paul done 07:42 chris Ce fichier contient la definition des preferences systemes pour une installation UNIMARC en Francais. 07:42 chris is that the text? 07:42 paul yep 07:43 chris ok and what file does that go in? 07:44 chris unimarc_standard_systemprefs.txt ? 07:44 paul chris : joshua told me you were working on a new report wizard too. Anything to show ? 07:44 paul yes. 07:44 chris not really yet, should have something to show by the end of the week though 07:45 chris :) 07:53 chris ok, committed and pushed up to joshuas repository 08:30 chris http://dfiji.blogspot.com/2007/09/koha-library-system-live-in-samoa.html