Time  Nick   Message
12:52 owen   paul?
12:52 dewey  i think paul is 4 times' DADDY
12:52 paul   hi owen
12:52 owen   Hi Paul, I'm just now looking over the new member entry template
12:52 paul   our stupid bot is right... quite unusual...
12:53 paul   yep. Note that it's probably buggy. I haven't tested it yet.
12:53 owen   paul, are you familiar with it, or should I be asking hdl?
12:53 paul   you should ask hdl.
12:53 paul   but he's back on monday only
12:53 owen   Okay. I'll either figure it out or I'll wait :)
12:54 paul   owen, a quick question : there are zillions of intranetstylesheet => C4::Context ...
12:54 paul   (almost one in each script)
12:54 paul   they are useless, as Auth.pm loads this pref everytime.
12:54 paul   + with actual templates, the intranetstylesheet is no more supported.
12:55 paul   <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="themelang" -->/css/staff-global.css" />
12:55 paul   but :
12:55 paul   <!-- TMPL_IF name="intranetstylesheet" -->
12:55 owen   I think the intranetstylsheet => C4::Context in the script is a relic of an earlier version, before Auth.pm was modified
12:56 paul   <link rel=<!-- TMPL_VAR name="intranetstylesheet" -->...>
12:56 paul   <!-- TMPL_ELSE -->
12:56 paul   <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="themelang" -->/css/staff-global.css" />
12:56 paul   <!-- /TMPL_IF -->
12:56 paul   if there is an intranetstylesheet defined, use it instead of staff-global.css
12:56 paul   do you agree ?
12:57 owen   Yes: we're still trying to sort out how to handle alternate style sheets. Right now we're working just with staff-global for the sake of simplicity. Ultimately we'll have the intranetstylesheet option as well as options for setting an alternate color stylesheet like the NPL templates in rel_2_2
12:57 paul   owen will probably lighten my darkness ;-)
12:58 owen   intranetstylesheet allowed you to drop in a completely new stylesheet, right? A full URL to an an external stylesheet?
12:58 owen   The color stylesheet pref allows you to point to a stylsheet that changes color info only. That lets the user set a color scheme while leaving the layout unchanged
12:59 paul   ok, but the colorstylesheet is a css isn't it ?
12:59 owen   Yes
13:16 paul   owen ? a few minuts for another question ?
13:16 owen   yes
13:16 paul   http://i15.bureau.paulpoulain.com/cgi-bin/koha/circ/circulation.pl
13:17 paul   (abel/abel)
13:17 paul   the check in / transfer /set library /Holds to pull ...
13:17 paul   is <div class="yiu-b">
13:17 paul   shouln't it have an id ?
13:18 paul   <div class="yui-b" id="toolbar"> or something like that
13:18 paul   ?
13:18 owen   It can, if we find it's necessary for CSS and/or javascript.
13:18 owen   It's just a first draft
13:18 paul   OK
13:19 paul   playing with something you don't know well & that is not finished is sometimes a hard job ;-)
13:19 paul   (what is unfinished & what is unknown ?)
13:20 owen   If you're playing with CSS and feel you need an id or class somewhere, feel free to add it. I want the markup to be as flexible as possible
13:20 paul   (to change the submenu layout without changing all yui-b)
13:21 paul   OK, i'll try.
13:24 paul   owen : do you think it would be better to have a <div id="toolbar"> in circ-menu.inc, or update circulation.tmpl to write : <div class="yui-b toolbar" > ?
13:25 paul   (or <div class="yui-b" id="toolbar">)
13:27 owen   Probably better to add the extra div to circ-menu.inc, because, for instance, we sometimes have two includes in the left-hand sidebar.
13:27 owen   circulation.tmpl loads memebers-menu.inc too, to display patron links if there is a patron loaded
13:29 paul   OK
13:29 paul   mmm...
13:29 paul   so we can't use a id="toolbar", but a class="toolbar".
13:30 paul   (or a id="toolbar-members" and a id="toolbar-circ".
13:30 paul   but I think that would result in too many "toolbar-XXX" and be confusing.
13:30 owen   Or a toolbar class plus an id for each if you want circ menu items to be different from patron menu items
13:31 paul   owen: ++
13:31 paul   (although the stylesheet will be very tricky to manipulate ;-) )
13:32 paul   mmm... owen : there is are xxx-menu and some menu-xxx. Is it a bug ?
13:32 paul   or a feature ?
13:32 dewey  a feature is broken in the script
13:34 owen   To me, it's a feature :). I changed the naming convention when I started re-writing the templates. I wanted related files to be grouped, like circ-menu.inc and circ-search.inc
13:34 owen   I'm willing to be convinced that's not any more efficient, however. It's just how I did it.
13:36 paul   so, at the end, all menus should be MODULE-menu.inc ?
13:37 owen   That's the way I planned it. The menu-MODULE.inc files are going to go away, because those menus are going to be broken down into MODULE-menu.inc and MODULE-toolbar.inc
13:38 owen   MODULE-toolbar.inc will include toolbar-like actions like Add, Edit, Delete. The toolbar inc will be embedded at the top of the main page content
13:39 owen   I haven't had a chance to start on the toolbar files yet
13:42 kados  hey gang
13:42 kados  owen: I like the naming convention
13:48 paul   hey kados.
13:48 paul   (the naming convention : you're speaking of our previous discussion or something else ?)
13:49 kados  your previous discussion :-)
13:49 kados  MODULE-menu and MODULE-toolbar
13:49 kados  it might also be
13:49 kados  PAGE-toolbar
13:49 kados  in some cases
13:50 owen   Yes
13:51 paul   page-toolbar,like in :
13:51 paul   http://i15.bureau.paulpoulain.com/cgi-bin/koha/admin/systempreferences.pl?tab=Intranet
13:51 paul   for Admin / acquisition /Authorities/catalogue/... /staff client/ ... others
13:51 paul   ?
13:54 kados  yep
13:54 paul   consider it done ;-)
13:55 paul   owen : will you work on the templates today ?
13:55 owen   All day!
13:55 paul   OK, so I do nothing ;-)
13:55 owen   Let 'em come
13:55 kados  owen's been a template trooper lately :-)
13:55 paul   hired by LibLime ?
13:55 owen   I'm not afraid of a little conflict
13:56 kados  hehe
13:56 owen   No, strictly in the interests of NPL
13:56 paul   I have other things to do, I can wait...
13:56 kados  NPL++
13:56 owen   ...although my boss wonders sometimes... ;)
13:58 paul   lol
14:01 owen   admin/charges.tmpl no longer used?
14:07 paul   grep -R "charges.tmpl" * shows nothing, so I think you're right
14:13 slef   paul: pq parles-tu de Koha 3.0 NoZebra?  Existe-il déjà?
14:13 paul   slef : of cours, NoZebra exists & works quite correctly.
14:13 paul   (although a little bit under-documented)
14:13 slef   paul: is it a syspref or what?
14:13 paul   it's a syspref, yes. 2 in fact ;-)
14:14 slef   Will you patch README.txt with the details, please?
14:14 paul   look at misc/migration_tools/rebuil_nozebra.pl script, that should be useful
14:16 slef   paul: does that get run by the web installer?
14:16 paul   not yet.
14:16 slef   it will?
14:17 paul   in fact, I could answer "yes" to your question...
14:17 slef   ok... have you 5 mins to explain kohala AG to me?
14:17 paul   because we just need to add a sql file to load during step3, that set NoZebra=1 and NoZebraIndexes=...
14:18 paul   yes, of course, what is your question exactly ?
14:18 slef   Can me and other UK users appoint people to represent us at the AG?
14:19 paul   I don't know why you couldn't
14:19 slef   How do we choose who to appoint?
14:19 paul   I don't see why you couldn't
14:20 paul   you can choose randomly ;-)
14:20 slef   As in, do we know the votes to be held and do we know people's positions on them?
14:20 paul   (except that, iirc, there is a limit to how many ppl someone can represent)
14:20 slef   s/As in/C'est à dire/
14:20 paul   We will choose President, Trésorier and Secrétaire
14:21 paul   the only 3 mandatory positions.
14:21 paul   we may have a vice-president as well, but not mandatory.
14:21 slef   Can we tell representatives how to vote?  (That is what happens in proxy votes in England, IME.)
14:21 paul   atm, the 4 founders have one position each.
14:21 paul   of course you can. but to vote you must be a member of the association.
14:22 paul   and to be a member of the association, you must have paid your yearly ticket.
14:22 slef   ok, how do people join?
14:22 slef   (I don't think koha.lists.katipo... has ever been told)
14:22 paul   p nalon is preparing a paper for ppl wanting to join
14:22 paul   (in fact, we haven't imagined we could have non french members ;-) )
14:23 slef   erm, there are a lot of non-french koha users...
14:23 slef   not sure whether you remember that ;-)
14:23 paul   yep, but it's a french association.
14:24 paul   at dev week, last year, we spoke of this question : it's too hard to have a world wide association/NPO
14:24 slef   so?  Seems little point having an association in each country, at least in Euro-zone
14:24 paul   so, we begin with "local" ones.
14:24 paul   "little point" ?
14:24 slef   there is a cost and not much benefit
14:25 slef   I don't remember the dev week discussion (what a surprise). Is there a record?
14:26 slef   Actually, is dev week the bit in the south of FR I wasn't at?
14:37 paul   slef : right.
14:38 slef   cool - so who's our worldwide NPO expert?
14:38 paul   owen : i've played with global-staff.css, feel free to look at it at http://i15.bureau.paulpoulain.com/cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl
14:39 owen   Looking good, paul
14:39 paul   owen : already quite nice, without any template change. Just one thing that seems not correct : the white area that encloses the left menu
14:39 owen   That's definitely more what I have in mind for the final version, but I'm leaving that until I'm further along.
14:39 paul   I would like to have it just for the "work area", but it's not possible atm, because there is no "workingarea" unless i've missed something
14:40 paul   no prob
14:40 paul   i'm already happy with that.
14:40 owen   Do you mean like what "mainbloc" was before?
14:41 paul   yep
14:49 owen   paul: we may need to add something, an extra div
14:49 paul   That's what I think too
14:59 kados  http://www.ltls.org/ilssymposium2007/agendapage.html
14:59 kados  hopefully they'll have wireless so I can be on chat at the same time :-)
15:00 owen   I hope you're there already, because I don't think you can make it from Athens in 30 min.
15:00 kados  hehe
15:00 kados  yea, I'm in champaign already
15:00 kados  drove up last night
15:01 kados  ok, I'm signing off, bbiab
15:03 paul   owen : where is Champaign located ?
15:04 owen   Illinois
15:04 paul   thanks, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois)
15:07 paul   owen : "I drove up last night" means he reached champaign by car ? seems a medium trip (300miles ?)
15:08 owen   Yes. Google says 6 hours
15:16 owen   admin/categoryitem.pl & admin/categoryitem.pl both not used anymore? Replaced by categorie.tmpl/pl ?
15:18 paul   iirc, yes.
15:18 paul   we spoke of that recently on koha-devel
15:19 paul   (I started the thread : database structure : some cleaning)
15:19 paul   aug, 8
15:20 owen   Ah, database structure. I didn't pay very close attention to that :)
19:37 [K]    *** part FreeNode!#koha: rangi n=nnchris@203.118.134.114
22:17 [K]    * ru55el@FreeNode clocks on for Koha Project Day - it has been a while
22:17 [K]    <ru55el@FreeNode> Chris and I are working on a user contributed help feature
07:45 btoumi hi all
07:45 btoumi chris are u around?
07:46 btoumi kados are u around?