Time  Nick   Message
02:36 masonj nice
17:16 [K]    *** #koha@FreeNode names: [K] rangi ru55el
17:16 slef   /names
17:16 slef   kados++ for the dual-db answer, it seems
17:08 slef   I think I just went in a bit hard on Rick.
17:08 slef   erm, oops
16:29 CGI860 Ah well.  Thanks anyway for trying.
16:28 owen   Nothing I know of, but my library doesn't manage electronic resources in that way so I'm out of the loop
16:28 CGI860 Any other pointers of possible products that you know of that I might check out?
16:28 owen   Catch chris or rach when New Zealand wakes up and ask one of them
16:28 CGI860 Hmmm... oh well.
16:27 owen   I don't see it on their site, so I could be making that up: http://katipo.co.nz/solutions/
16:27 CGI860 What is that?
16:27 CGI860 Oh?
16:27 CGI860 Oh.  Well that pretty much wraps up that discussion.
16:27 owen   ...Although I think Katipo has a product for that? I'm not sure if it's been released.
16:26 CGI860 But I can ignore stuff I dont need, as long as it does do the stuff I do need.  :-)
16:26 owen   Yeah... And Koha right now doesn't have a system for storing electronic resources.
16:26 CGI860 Yeah, I am sure it does.
16:26 CGI860 I don't need "checkout/checkin" or physical inventory.
16:26 owen   One question to ask is whether Koha comes with more stuff than you really need--acquisitons, reports, patron management, etc.
16:25 CGI860 I need storage of the files, and the ability to download them from the interface.
16:25 owen   Wow, you really could use a system for help!
16:25 CGI860 10000+
16:12 owen   CGI860: How big is your collection?
15:55 CGI860 Hi there,  I am looking for web-based OSS that can help me organize my eBook collection.  I am hoping to be able to browse by subject or author and search by title, etc.  Does Koha fit that bill?
15:27 owen   Thanks paul
15:22 paul   ok, sent
15:21 paul   oleonard at myacpl.org ?
15:21 owen   oleonard@myacpl.org
15:21 paul   owen, what is your preferred mail ?
15:21 kados  or you can send it to owen actually
15:20 kados  paul: send it directly to me
15:20 paul   (he should be sleeping now, was looking at the rugby match with Laurel, so should be consolating her)
15:19 paul   can kados accept patch immediatly or do we need to wait for chris ?
15:19 paul   OK, done
15:18 paul   owen send by mail or through git ?
15:16 owen   Paul, do you want to send me what you have and I'll finish the process of setting up the tabs?
15:13 owen   http://stilbuero.de/jquery/tabs/
15:11 owen   paul: I'm using a jquery plugin to manage tabs (including the resident search form)
15:11 owen   slef: progressive enhancement
15:10 slef   and +1 to simplifying forms and stripping out js ;-)
15:10 paul   owen : custom means specific CSS, or there is already something somewhere ?
15:10 slef   kados: thanks.
15:10 kados  (they don't want it split into 3 pages)
15:10 owen   That could be handled with custom CSS+custom js
15:09 kados  (even if it's just one page really)
15:09 kados  I know several libraries in the US don't like to have to fill out more than one page
15:09 paul   ???
15:09 kados  paul: could we make the 'three tabs' feature an option?
15:08 paul   and how do I do exactly ?
15:08 paul   Can I use the main form we spoke with owen previously for this ?
15:08 paul   (like the main form)
15:08 paul   Personal Information / Contacts / Library management are javascript, that is supposed to show & hide part of the template
15:07 paul   BUT :
15:07 paul   http://i15.bureau.paulpoulain.com/cgi-bin/koha/members/memberentry.pl?op=add&category_type=A
15:07 paul   Here is the result :
15:07 paul   I could deal with hdl commit & new structure
15:07 paul   kados / owen, about memberentry (rewritted)
14:52 kados  I didn't have time to convert his html email into text and reformat :-)
14:52 kados  sorry in advance for top posting
14:51 kados  sent
14:43 kados  slef: the Jon Bek one?
14:38 slef   hi paul
14:38 slef   So who wants to answer that dual-database question from koha.lists.katipo?
14:38 paul   hello slef
14:36 paul   (not sure it's not a frenchism...)
14:35 paul   so is it a question of a few days or a few weeks ?
14:35 paul   kados : about the release = OK, but the timeline for the template stuff is important for us, as the memberentry will be after.
14:31 paul   answered
14:16 kados  yes
14:15 paul   kados : you speak of the aug,31 mail, isn't it ?
14:12 paul   nope I go now to read them
14:11 kados  paul: did you see MJ's comments on koha-dev about updating?
14:08 kados  (and they are nearly done I think, maybe 2-3 modules left?)
14:07 kados  (once we get the global elements done)
14:07 kados  esp since the template modifs are fairly incremental
14:07 kados  I think those items will take longer than the template modifs
14:05 paul   kados & owen : do you have a timeline to finish the template stuff ?
14:04 kados  go tonga
14:04 kados  wow
14:04 paul   (15-25 vs tonga)
14:04 kados  hehe
14:04 paul   http://coupe-du-monde-de-rugby-2007.sport24.com/livescore-match-en-direct-etats-unis-tonga-live.html
14:03 kados  hehe
14:03 paul   (but that was easy, I agree. Easier than solving failed automatic merges ;-) )
14:02 paul   probably, but if we try to cherry-pick, it fails miserabily. iirc I had to do port manually 5 of the 13 commits
14:02 kados  sure
14:02 kados  header, and footer
14:02 paul   I think we will wait until you've stabilised the stuff.
14:02 kados  it should be simple to convert, only about 15 lines or so
14:01 paul   so we can't commit it for instance.
14:01 paul   yes, he did a lot of progress on member entry, but on previous templates.
14:01 kados  that's great, paul
14:01 paul   (more than 1 million documents...)
14:01 paul   (Bibliothèque Sainte Geneviève)
14:01 kados  cool
14:00 paul   today & friday, hdl is demo-ing Koha to a MAJOR library : BSG
14:00 kados  has hdl made progress on member entry?
14:00 kados  paul++
14:00 kados  w00t
14:00 kados  it's one part of usability
13:58 paul   it's like usability ?
13:58 kados  to make it easier for users to perform a given function
13:58 kados  we want to support those habits in the design
13:58 kados  users form habits
13:57 paul   habitability ? (I understand the word, it's the same in gfrench, but not what you mean)
13:57 kados  even if the search is fr a different thing
13:57 kados  we're supporing 'habitability' for users that will always go to the same  place to do a search
13:56 kados  the options will change depending on the module you're in
13:56 owen   the idea is that the primary search action changes based on the primary purpose of the module
13:56 kados  the global search is contextual
13:56 paul   is it unfinished, or there's something i'm missing ?
13:56 kados  hi paul
13:56 paul   and Search Patrons / Check out and Search the catalog at http://i15.bureau.paulpoulain.com/cgi-bin/koha/members/members-home.pl
13:55 paul   why, for example, is there Check out and Search the catalog on http://i15.bureau.paulpoulain.com/cgi-bin/koha/circ/circulation.pl
13:54 paul   about the primary form, what will it contain ?
13:54 paul   sounds OK.
13:54 owen   Yes, that's the plan
13:54 paul   OK, so there should be no "old" menu on the left once done, right ?
13:53 owen   Almost none of the left-hand menus are correct at the moment
13:53 owen   We haven't finished sorting that out
13:53 paul   on http://i15.bureau.paulpoulain.com/cgi-bin/koha/acqui/acqui-home.pl there is a small one PLUS the previous complete one.
13:52 paul   on circ/circulation.pl, there is a small one
13:52 paul   on catalogue/search.pl, there is none
13:52 paul   mmm... let's speak of things one after each other... so, the left menu...
13:51 paul   so there should usually be one ?
13:51 owen   The primary form action will change based on the context of the page
13:51 paul   sometimes the form contains other values (http://i15.bureau.paulpoulain.com/cgi-bin/koha/circ/circulation.pl)
13:50 owen   I'm in the process of adding the form to almost all pages
13:50 paul   sometimes there is no form (http://i15.bureau.paulpoulain.com/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/search.pl)
13:50 owen   Our new design has the left-hand menu space changing based on the context of the page
13:50 paul   on members-home.pl, there is a koha logo, with a form (Search patrons / Check out)
13:49 paul   what is correct ?
13:49 paul   the left menu sometimes appear (like in mainpage.pl), sometimes not (like in http://i15.bureau.paulpoulain.com/cgi-bin/koha/members/members-home.pl)
13:49 paul   I have some questions about what is done and what is not done.
13:49 paul   is the uptodate git repo afaik
13:49 paul   http://i15.bureau.paulpoulain.com/cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl (login abel / abel)
13:48 paul   g'morning owen
13:41 owen   Sure
13:40 paul   (owen : if you're around, you can answer my questions as well I suppose)
13:37 paul   do you have a minut to speak of template modifs ?
13:36 paul   kados : 'morning to you.
13:34 kados  slef++ for all the responses on the lists
13:26 owen   Hi kados
13:26 kados  morning pecisk, owen, Brook
12:05 Brooke howdy