Time  Nick     Message
10:26 hdl      But sometimes, I enjoy watching good sport performances.
10:25 chris    :-)
10:25 hdl      In fact, I am not a sport fan. I had rather do some sport than watch guys training sports :D
10:25 chris    ahh
10:24 hdl      I am not a rugby fan.
10:22 chris    i forget, do you watch rugby too hdl? or just paul?
10:21 chris    cool
10:21 hdl      Yes.
10:20 chris    does that make sense?
10:18 chris    in that its community driven
10:18 chris    kete is closer to say wikipedia
10:18 chris    where the librarian adds the data, catalogues it etc
10:18 chris    well greenstone is more for a traditional digital library
10:17 hdl      chris :  Does kete and greenstone have anything in common ?
10:04 chris    hehe
10:04 rach     good night - happy meeting I really hope I'm *not* awake for it :-)
10:02 chris    yeah shouldnt be too hard
10:02 rach     would be possible to add someone to be a kete member when they become a koha member I think, and maybe just a "work flow" thing to punt people through to Koha to sign up if they come in from Kete
10:00 chris    yeah that would work rach
09:51 rach     you could do something simple like import all your koha users into Kete - you'd still need more verification before you let a kete member become a koha member I think
09:49 rach     kete is generally "looser" in who can be a member than Koha - For HLT it doesn't require you to be a library member for example, but yes if you could decide on your policies etc I would think they could be
09:49 chris    would take a little tweaking
09:48 chris    they both store their user info in mysql
09:48 chris    hmm you could do
09:47 paul     1 login for both apps
09:47 paul     Single Sign On
09:47 rach     what's sso
09:47 chris    SSO?
09:47 rach     they both run on Debian, but Kete is a ruby on rails application
09:47 paul     OK. but no  SSO for instance ?
09:47 chris    yep
09:46 rach     more context? Kete uses Zebra and z39:50 and other standards so I'm picking it will mean thay you can easily do federated searching Of Kete from Koha and vice versa
09:45 paul     rach : what does "is fully compatible with Koha" mean exactly ?
09:43 rach     there is some stuff up already = http://kete.net.nz/site/all/topics/
09:42 rach     today, slightly tricky, next few weeks yes - one of the bits of funding was to get the website etc all up and running, and by the end of the next round of work have a 1.0 release ready
09:41 paul     can I dl kete somewhere ? see some screenshots ? have some tech information (platform, requirements...) ?
09:41 chris    http://horowhenua.kete.net.nz/ is good too (for seeing it in action)
09:40 chris    paul: i agree with your email, we should deal with the 2 cases separately
09:40 rach     http://kete.net.nz/
09:38 paul     but never got a look at it
09:38 rach     Paul - in case you weren't aware, we've been writing an open source digital library/archive system called Kete. And we've just had 3 clients secure a second round of funding which is great
09:37 rach     Puke Ariki are thinking it might be better than the wiki they are using
09:36 chris    excellent
09:36 rach     but is all looking good for Kete
09:36 chris    i bet
09:36 rach     he sounded beat by the time he got home
09:36 rach     poor old walter had some more hours doing training last night and today
09:35 chris    ohh cool
09:35 rach     and we met the head librarian from puke ariki as well
09:35 chris    yep
09:35 rach     it wasn't actually on the marae which was good - just their offices, so less formal was nice, but still quite formal welcome
09:34 rach     yeah - jo knew it the best so she lead
09:34 chris    cool, youtube comes in handy sometimes
09:34 rach     yes I think so
09:34 chris    did you end up using that waiata?
09:33 chris    *nod*
09:33 rach     but is always hard to have essentially an 11 hr client meeting
09:32 chris    cool paul
09:32 paul     (koha-devel)
09:32 paul     chris : i've just thrown a mail about DB management, to prepare the meeting
09:32 chris    cool
09:32 rach     Jo did a nice mihi
09:32 chris    paul: i might have to read the logs and add my comments in an email
09:32 rach     was good
09:31 chris    and how was the marae?
09:31 chris    how is ben rach?
09:31 chris    laurel will come round to your house and yell at you if the phone goes at 4am :-)
09:31 chris    hehe
09:31 chris    not too likely unless kahurangi decides to wake up then
09:30 chris    but as its at 4am
09:29 chris    ill try to be
09:29 paul     will you be back for the chat ?
09:29 chris    9.28pm
09:29 paul     almost time to go to bed I think...
09:29 paul     what time is it for you atm ?
09:28 chris    so good time
09:28 chris    i will be watching that game, its at 7am here
09:26 chris    if they had a few more warm up games  ... then it would be closer but yes france at home .. very hard to beat
09:26 paul     x0 000 ppl supporting us can make a diff
09:25 paul     and we are at home...
09:25 paul     (for me at least)
09:25 chris    because you are more match fit
09:25 paul     s/think/hope/ !
09:25 chris    i think you will beat them
09:25 paul     everybody says it will be a tough match for is
09:25 chris    yeah that will be an interesting one
09:25 paul     1st match : argentina/france.
09:24 chris    argentina are my outside bet .. they sometimes play way better than they should :-)
09:23 chris    england are horrible this year
09:23 chris    australia dont have good forwards
09:23 chris    anyone of those 3 teams could win i think
09:22 chris    i think it will be nz, south africa or france
09:22 chris    hehe
09:22 paul     only 55% of kiwis think you'll win I hear on the radio...
09:22 chris    hi paul
09:21 paul     hi chris
09:21 chris    just over 1 week to go paul :-)
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01:27 CGI412   I am looking for an application that will allow me to sort my eBook collection.  I read a lot, and such, have a lot of ebooks, but sometimes they are hard to locate.  Will koha do this?  If not do you know of a product that might.  That runs on linux, preferable oss?
01:26 CGI412   Hello everyone.
21:01 kados    hdl: g'night
21:00 hdl      kados : problem with one page entry screen as you suggest is that it would mix both Personnal information and Librarian information, which would be in two separate screens on edition.... But I am going to bed now. Sorry.
20:59 kados    ahh, yes
20:59 kados    nope
20:59 chris    did you just get a push email?
20:50 chris    its tempting tho eh
20:50 kados    yea, I know
20:50 chris    pushing_directly-- :-)
20:50 chris    yep that worked
20:49 chris    ahh ill try that
20:49 kados    chris: you probably need to pull
20:49 kados    there were a couple of template patches that I pushed directly
20:49 kados    I know
20:49 kados    ahh
20:48 kados    maybe apply mine first?
20:48 kados    that was one from me
20:48 kados    huh
20:47 chris    ill apply the rest and bounce that one back with the error message, it seems it needs a patch to creae that file first
20:45 chris    error: koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/css/staff-global.css: does not exist in index
20:45 kados    what's the prob?
20:45 kados    bummer
20:45 chris    hmm owen has gone, problem with his patch
20:43 kados    cool
20:43 chris    3 from owen, 3 from you, going to read them now
20:42 kados    cool
20:42 chris    it wasnt to tricky
20:42 chris    ill track it down
20:41 kados    wow, that does go back a bit
20:41 chris    was i think the first koha project day
20:41 kados    ahh
20:41 chris    oh this one was well before git
20:41 kados    ages ago
20:41 kados    i fixed the CGI header that was causing the page to be downloaded
20:40 kados    for some reason a change I'm 100% sure I committed and patched was lost too
20:39 chris    ill go look, yeah i made a systempreference that controlled wether the js in the template converted surnames to caps, i wonder what happened to that
20:38 kados    chris: should be a few patches waitin fr ya :-)
20:38 hdl      hi gang
20:38 kados    morning chris
20:34 chris    maybe it never got committed
20:33 chris    i thought i fixed the all caps with a system preference
18:49 kados    hdl: but often the patron must be added very quickly and there is not time to fill out all the data
18:49 kados    hdl: other pages can be used for supplemental information if there is time
18:49 kados    hdl: most libraries in the US ask for a patron entry screen that allows all 'required' info to be filled out in one page
18:48 owen     All caps for last names should be handled by custom CSS and/or js
18:45 kados    but librarians won't like it
18:44 kados    yep, but no where else it seems :-)
18:43 hdl      ALL Caps for French is Default for lastnames.
18:43 kados    I can imagine
18:43 hdl      But belive me, going from this Code is quite a trouble.
18:43 kados    hdl:++
18:43 kados    (which is still a problem BTW)
18:43 kados    it also has some very unfriendly defaults (like ALL CAPS for last names)
18:42 hdl      This is why I try to do it again.
18:42 hdl      I agree.
18:42 kados    and it is completely unmanagable
18:41 kados    the primary one was that the html code had been bloated 8000% from the previous version
18:41 kados    I believe I sent an email a while ago explaining my problems with the members code
18:41 kados    if it was just p vs div I wouldn't be complaining
18:40 hdl      And our previous code relied on <p> and not <div>
18:40 hdl      Sure. But these statements are done way after it was first written.
18:39 kados    For block elements, use <div>, not <p>.
18:39 kados    such as:
18:39 kados    the Dos and Donts section is where we're going to try to establish conventions for the project
18:38 kados    hdl: I started a template guide
18:38 hdl      Is that written coding standards or your internal coding standard.
18:38 kados    hdl: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:documentation:templates_style_guide
18:38 kados    hd	http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:documentation:templates_style_guide
18:38 kados    looks much better
18:37 hdl      If you want to see.
18:37 hdl      http://i20.hdlaurent.paulpoulain.com/cgi-bin/koha/members/memberentry.pl?op=add&category_type=A
18:36 hdl      I have a first page on member adding I can show. But it doesnot work at all at the moment.
18:35 owen     Some other versions I've seen can put all the scripts in <head> and work off an input class or id
18:35 hdl      I am loosing my hair trying to debug it.
18:35 owen     I don't like that you have to embed a <script> block in the main body of the page for each input you want to connect to a calendar widget.
18:35 hdl      I know.
18:34 kados    hdl: but it must be re-written before 3.0 can be released, it's very buggy and doesn't conform to our coding standards
18:32 kados    hdl: nope
18:32 hdl      kados : Is liblime working on members pages ?
18:28 kados    what about it don't you like, the inline stuff?
18:28 kados    the includes/calendar.inc markup isn't too bad
18:28 kados    yea, that's the prob
18:27 owen     I may not like the markup that Koha's calendar widget requires, but I sure can't find a js lib replacement that has as many features
18:22 kados    there is some IP-based location determination in 3.0 but I haven't played iwth it
18:18 owen     "autolocation" defines the users branch based on their IP?
18:17 libtux   jaron: i have a ubuntu6.06 version but still i cant install mysql-server4.1
17:25 jaron    libtux: what version of ubuntu? that might just be a transitional package to mysql 5
16:50 libtux   then i cant install mysql4.1 on ubuntu..
16:50 libtux   hi..if i run sudo apt-get install mysql-server-4.1
16:32 kados    ie, global, module, page, widget
16:32 kados    I still think it's useful to distinguish between types of css and js
16:31 kados    well, I dunno
16:31 kados    hmmm
15:51 owen     kados: with head content now getting added to templates directly, do we still need to set css and js parameters in the script?
15:44 kados    I guess we just do our best
15:44 kados    hard choices
15:43 kados    but highly deprecated as a core part of Koha IMO ... or at least should be soon
15:43 kados    yea, addbiblio's especially tricky
15:43 owen     there are lots of places where we'll have to make hard decisions about what to make functional without js and what not to. I can't see making addbiblio work without js
15:41 owen     Sure. I'm saying that if we've got a 'more' link that triggers a drop-down menu, what's the non-js result of clicking it? You'd need to send the user somewhere where they can get an overview
15:39 kados    IMO
15:39 kados    ie, not use the strictly js methods of a toolbar or drop-down menu
15:38 kados    well, we should always have page markup that fills the content of any menus
15:38 owen     I'm not sure how to handle graceful degradation for that...maybe link it by default back to intranet-main
15:37 owen     Even something as simple as the top-level nav which you mentioned in your email depends on making a js lib decision, if we're going to have our "more" drop-down menu
15:36 owen     kados: I think there are ways to use namespaces to get around conflicts, but I'm really hazy on the concept
15:32 foxnorth bbias
15:31 owen     We've got several pages that use tabs to show/hide content, and it makes sense to me to use one of the js libs to standardize that
15:31 owen     I'd like to ditch the current calendar widget because it seems to depend on inline <script> tags
15:30 kados    yep
15:30 owen     Part of what we'll have to do in the next stages is choose how we're going to handle common widgets like calendars, tabs, etc.
15:30 kados    by defining a local variable for the object or something
15:30 kados    I think there's some way to avoid the global function problem
15:29 owen     Is that going to be a problem because jquery hasn't been properly integrated into ext? Instead they're being loaded on top of each other?
15:29 owen     Then what if I want to use ext for a calendar widget or tabs or something
15:29 owen     If we have jquery loaded by default, then it's "hard-coded" into the page header...
15:28 owen     Yeah, I think at some point we just pick and go with it.
15:27 foxnorth although keep in mind i really don't know dojo, scriptaculous or prototype, so i'm missing part of the picture
15:27 foxnorth no need to for big widgets as w/ yui or ext
15:27 foxnorth yeah i mean, jquery sounds perfect for that
15:26 owen     Yeah. I'm thinking of situations like adding a class to a form field so that onload it will get focus. Little interface things that don't require big js lib plugins
15:25 foxnorth you were wondering which javascript toolkit to use as a default?
15:24 owen     Hi foxnorth
15:24 owen     We'll want to have something loaded by default to give us a baseline of functionality for the staff-global.js
15:24 foxnorth hey owen-- here i am
15:24 kados    he's around, probably just deep in code :-)
15:24 owen     I was hoping to get foxnorth's opinion on a default js lib.
15:23 kados    right
15:23 owen     I've been poking around this morning looking and what kind of javascript issues we've got that can be addressed by the reorganization.
15:23 owen     I worked on it yesterday afternoon
15:22 kados    that was fast!
15:22 kados    excellent
15:22 owen     (Sent you => submitted)
15:22 kados    owen++
15:22 kados    cool
15:22 owen     Got your message. Sent you some patches to cover the whole </head><body> change.
15:21 kados    meetings--
15:21 owen     Hi kados
15:21 kados    morning owen
15:16 owen     foxnorth, are you around?