Time Nick Message 11:58 slef big project management -- 11:58 slef right, 4 hours at work and I've just finished basic correspondence :-/ 11:57 slef cool 11:57 zsh slef: yeah, np 11:57 slef zsh: you OK with patching? 11:56 slef zsh: say that after you've tested it ;-) 11:56 zsh zsh: ok, will do 11:56 zsh slef: thanks, you r a lifesaver 11:56 slef zsh: if it still works, please tell me and I'll commit it to rel_2_2 11:55 slef zsh: http://serene.ttllp.co.uk/~mjr/barcodefix.patch 11:55 slef I wonder if it's this one called "barcodefix.patch"! 11:54 slef if I have a copy of the patch somewhere 11:54 slef new firewall too... I'll email their network admin, but first I'll see 11:51 slef I'll see if I've got the new address 11:50 slef oh yes, they changed ISP 11:50 slef ok, that's a problem 11:50 slef No route to host 11:50 zsh slef: thanks 11:49 slef ok, now looking for patch 11:47 slef hdl: thanks 11:46 hdl sent to phonecoop adress. 11:43 zsh slef: ok, np. 11:43 slef zsh: 1 email to do. (I'm at work.) 11:42 zsh slef: you mentioned a patch for the barcode problem, i'd like to try that before i start messing around with cvs, could you send me a link or something 11:36 hdl :P 11:36 hdl (Basically, this is what I did... But in a perl script to get output better...) 11:35 slef hdl: yes, please. I was using grep -r '^use' koha or similar. 11:34 hdl Are you interested ? 11:34 hdl i can send you a processed list of all the modules with the filenames which use it. 11:33 hdl slef: about perl module dependancies, 11:32 slef depending on search terms, of course 11:31 zsh slef: :) 11:31 masonj yikes 11:30 slef Someone should make a koha development federated search... lots of stuff is indexed already and general search engines suck for koha, giving me lots of links to Albanian newspapers. 11:29 slef masonj: that tells me where to search. Thanks. 11:29 masonj slef: i sent a summary email to the koha-dev list a long while back about the new barcodes stuff, but apart from that there, isnt any summary that i know of yet 11:27 zsh masonj: ok 11:26 masonj its pretty harmless, but you should have a look on a test box first 11:26 slef masonj: is there an orig barcodes V new barcodes summary somewhere? 11:25 masonj sure, we have been using it on our prod boxes for a while 11:25 zsh masonj: the barcode stuff that is. 11:23 zsh masonj: is the code in cvs relatively complete, may i use it on a production machine? 11:23 masonj so it might be just the orig. barcodes code as standard 11:22 masonj hmm, i think the new barcodes code may not be in the 2.2 tgz, yet 11:19 slef masonj: which is standard in 2.2? 11:19 masonj but, yes, slef has a known fix, for that known bug :) 11:18 masonj i was refering to a different barcodes module 11:16 masonj barcodes.pl is from the orig. barcodes work, done by Physics Library UNLP Argentina 11:15 zsh yes 2.2.9 11:15 zsh *www.koha.org 11:15 zsh slef: not sure i think so, lemme check. i grabbed the latest release from www.koha.or 11:13 slef zsh: 2.2.9? 11:13 slef that's the modules problem... I'll go grab the patch from the client site once I've finished these emails 11:13 masonj aaaah 11:13 zsh [Wed Jul 18 14:11:40 2007] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Can't locate object method "barcode" via package "PDF::API2" at /usr/local/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/barcodes/barcodesGenerator.pl line 237., referer: http://localhost:8002/cgi-bin/koha/barcodes/barcodes.pl 11:12 masonj hmm, more a template tidy-up for default and npl templates 11:10 slef masonj: updated to use the current modules? 11:10 masonj if you are keen, you can grab the latest barcodes stuff from the koha rel_2_2 branch in cvs, and see if that solves your problem 11:10 zsh masonj: ok, i'll have a look 11:08 masonj zsh: ive recently done a tidy up of the barcodes stuff in cvs 11:06 zsh ok. lemme paste the error i got. 11:05 slef so it's hard to solve it just from that 11:05 slef "Internal server error" is Apache's equivalent of "something went wrong" 11:05 slef check your error_log for what actually broke 11:05 zsh Hi! I've been trying to print barcodes using koha but I keep getting "Internal server error". I google'd and i noticed several people have been getting the same problem. Does anyone have a solution for it? 10:03 slef chris: do you have time to take a look at Makefile.PL:/PREREQ_PM for any other red herrings? 09:53 chris yeah the only references to Net::Z3950 I can find are in about.pl and Install.pm (and the safe-installer) 09:49 hdl (on phone) 09:49 toins hi too 09:49 hdl hi 09:48 chris ill ask hdl or toins if i see them tonight 09:48 chris hasnt been updated since april 09:47 chris yeah 09:47 slef search for @component_names 09:47 slef thanks 09:47 slef if someone could, that would help me with Makefile.PL 09:46 chris i suspect no one has edited about.pl to update it 09:45 chris lemme go look 09:45 chris im not sure i trust about.pl at all 09:44 chris hmm 09:44 slef chris: about.pl still lists Net::Z3950 09:44 lloyd I was supposed to but couldn't make it. It's been rearranged for the 26th 09:43 slef lloyd: oh aye, you were meeting people on Friday? 09:43 chris uses ZOOM 09:43 lloyd been looking for you 09:43 lloyd slef - howdy 09:43 chris not afaik 09:42 slef Hi all. Does koha 3.0 still use Net::Z3950? 02:29 thd s/of/on/ 02:28 thd kados: Is someone actually working of a GUI editor? 02:28 thd kados: frederic told me that there was discussion today on IRC about a GUI editor for Koha 02:24 thd ;) 02:24 kados it means mandatory :-) 02:23 thd kados: what does mandatory mean in that context? 02:22 kados could be 02:22 thd kados: is there an optional directory with other versions? 02:21 kados that's the currently used default_structure.sql 02:21 kados http://cvs.savannah.nongnu.org/viewvc/koha/misc/sql-datas/en/mandatory/03_marc21_framework_DEFAULT.sql?root=koha&view=log 02:21 kados great! 02:19 thd kados: I will update default_structure.sql which the installer uses as well as the DROP the framework tables and start again scripts 02:15 kados 5.0 02:15 thd kados: were you using MySQL 4.X? 02:14 kados correct 02:14 thd kados: I assume that you were not updating an existing install when you tested. Is that correct? 02:13 kados sounds like it's worry time :-) 02:13 kados hehe 02:13 thd kados: I asked paul about the issue at the time and he said not to worry until we added more columns 02:12 thd kados: the safeguard is only an issue when a new column is added such as now 02:12 kados cool 02:12 thd kados: I used less verbose INSERT statements so that I could edit the frameworks without excess noise so the safeguard about column order is absent. 02:11 kados http://cvs.savannah.nongnu.org/viewvc/koha/installer/kohastructure.sql?revision=1.8&root=koha&view=markup 02:11 kados it's defined in kohastructure.sql 02:10 kados defaultvalue is last 02:10 thd kados: to add the column to the framework I need to know what order the columns are in or where default_value is in the order 02:09 kados no 02:09 thd kados: is the command line installer unfinished for 3.0? 02:08 kados the web installer of course 02:07 thd kados: which installer were you using? 02:07 kados and while editing a framework 02:07 kados durring the install IIRC 02:06 thd kados: under what circumstance did you see an error? 02:06 kados dunno 02:05 thd kados: Frédéric told me that he did an install of MARC 21 Koha 3.0 today and did not encounter the bug for the missing framework column. How could that be? 02:04 jaron gotta go. 02:04 jaron yeah, I'd hope that if they'd like many parties to throw in together for the change they might also be willing to throw a figure out there. 02:03 thd kados: OK I will subscribe later 02:03 kados yep 02:03 thd kados: do you mean that I should ask on Index Data's own list? 02:02 kados no, you're right, it looks legit 02:02 thd kados: would the Index Data mailing list have incorrect information from such a recent date? 02:02 kados I have no idea how much, why don't you ask the zebralist? 02:02 kados yep, looks like it will need to be sponsored 02:02 kados ahh, I see now 02:01 thd kados: frederic found the problem and told me about it on telephone today 02:01 kados yep 02:01 thd kados: did you read the linked message from the Index Data Zebra mailing list? 02:01 kados but I'm not sure I believe that it's a limit in zebra 2.0 02:00 kados *nod* 02:00 thd kados: f you want a big library which has Cyrillic, Greek, Arabic, Hebrew, Chinese, etc. which they need indexed in the original language instead of merely the Latin transliteration then you need a fix for that problem. 01:58 kados I'm not sure I believe it 01:57 kados and how did you discover it? 01:57 kados what circumstances is it most relevant to? 01:57 thd kados: so how much will it cost to fix the problem? 01:57 kados I didn't know about that limitation 01:57 kados I saw it 01:56 kados yes 01:56 thd kados: are we playing message tag? 01:51 thd kados: did you see my koha-zebra list message? 01:51 thd yes 01:50 kados thd: are you? :-) 01:50 kados thd: yes :-) 01:46 thd ? 01:46 thd kados: are you still now 01:28 kados thd: am now 01:21 thd kados: you around? 01:20 dewey kados was last seen on #koha 39 minutes and 51 seconds ago, saying: foxnorth: you around? [Wed Jul 18 12:40:48 2007] 01:20 thd seen kados ? 00:40 kados foxnorth: you around? 19:05 atz but their tarfile is corrupt. Classic. 19:05 atz ftp://ftp.sirsi.com (user: opensource, pass: freesoftware) 19:05 atz They posted their (decade overdue) OSS code to FTP 19:04 atz oh, and mocking sirsi. 19:04 atz just coding.... present more features to the group tomorrow morning 19:03 kados how about you, what're you up to? 19:03 kados hehe 19:03 atz :) 19:03 atz i also recommend sleep 19:03 kados need to get more coffee :-) 19:02 atz what's up? 19:02 kados hiya atz 18:49 atz greets 18:00 jaron and that's a mistake 17:59 jaron right now each of the two indicator fields is wider than one character 17:58 jaron yeah, 2 indicators are used a lot in marc21 as well 17:58 hdl OK. 17:57 hdl since sometimes, 2 indicateors may be needed (for 200, 701 710 Unimarc) 17:57 jaron hdl: and then just have one text field for both indicators? 17:57 hdl jaron : 2character wide for indicators seems wiser. 17:22 foxnorth jaron: agreed. thanks for your thoughts so far! i'll bbiab-- 17:05 jaron ok 17:05 jaron maybe with link to oclc bib formats? 17:05 foxnorth woops brb 17:05 jaron or with a little about what's commonly in that field for marc21? 17:05 foxnorth as in connexion (at least desktop client version w/ its status indicators) 17:05 foxnorth and i'm thinking of making those user configurable 17:05 foxnorth i havent' set up "status" values in the sqlite db yet 17:04 jaron I see that. 17:04 foxnorth a bit 17:04 foxnorth that's a good idea 17:04 foxnorth i've tried to model this on oclc connexion 17:04 jaron tab between the tabs on the top 17:04 foxnorth how about general workflow? 17:04 foxnorth not sure if that's what you meant, or just tab betweeen tags? 17:04 jaron good. 17:04 foxnorth i was thinking, i always wanted to be able to tab between subfields of a tag 17:03 foxnorth so that's unfortunate 17:03 foxnorth doesn't seem to have a config option for this that i've found 17:03 foxnorth believe i'll have to do it w/ css 17:03 foxnorth need to figure out how to disable its button toolbar, though 17:03 jaron cool. 17:03 foxnorth i'm trying out tiny_mce as a rich text editor 17:03 foxnorth i'm actually working right now on making the editor prettier (e.g. highlighting of subfield codes) 17:02 foxnorth agree with all of that! 17:02 foxnorth yep 17:02 jaron well, that's a start. 17:02 foxnorth if you've got a lot, feel free to email them 17:02 jaron UI stuff: I get some funny artifacts between lines of the editor. It loads quickly. I'd like the subfield indicators to be highlighted so '|a' would be in bold. Keyboard shortcuts to move between tabs. Long lines should wrap. No scrolling side to side. Indicators need only be one character wide. Center the fixed fields. Don't want to mess with record length unless you really know what you're doing so make it uneditable? 17:01 foxnorth i'd love to hear your thoughts! 17:01 jaron yes. I started jotting notes if you're interested. 17:01 foxnorth jaron: now that it's a little farther along, if you have time sometime, i'd love for some feedback from a fellow cataloger's perspective! :) 17:01 foxnorth jaron: kados mentioned he'd passed on the url to the cataloging app i'm working on 17:00 foxnorth jaron: hey! still here 16:59 dewey it has been said that there is no spoon 16:59 jaron foxnorth: still there? 16:11 foxnorth i'll hang around :) 16:11 foxnorth no problem! i 16:05 jaron unless it's something quick? 16:05 jaron I'm just heading out to lunch right now, but I'll be back in 30. 16:04 foxnorth jaron: are you still around? 15:39 Frederic thd: Are you there? I would like to phone you? 15:39 Frederic kados: how are you? I'm converting data into a koha 3 marc21 db. I've just seen you're about to modify marc21 framework file for koha 3. Why for? Do I need to wait this commit? 14:58 kados phone, brb 14:57 foxnorth gotcha 14:57 kados kind like when you're reading email 14:57 foxnorth uh huh 14:57 kados yea 14:57 kados as you scroll down, the second panel updates 14:57 foxnorth for the preview? 14:57 kados maybe a two-panels side by side pattern would be something to try 14:57 foxnorth i would have loved to be able to do that as a cataloger 14:57 foxnorth seems like a good idea to me 14:57 foxnorth ah the bottom panel is supposed to be a status bar:for searching, saving status etc. 14:57 kados is that you can't preview the marc record while browsing the list 14:56 kados well, one of the complains I often get about our current z39.50 client 14:56 foxnorth like hovering over record in search results would show you most pertinent other data or something 14:56 foxnorth actually i was thinking about a pop-up sort of window to preview in! 14:56 kados that's pretty swank 14:56 kados yep 14:55 foxnorth dbl-click to open record 14:55 foxnorth should have your test records i believe too 14:55 foxnorth ah ok 14:55 foxnorth huh 14:54 kados it has some 'patterns' that I think might be useful for this 14:53 kados Designing Interfaces: Patterns for Effective Interaction Design by Jenifer Tidwell 14:53 kados btw: I found this really great book on interface design 14:53 kados in the results page? 14:53 kados is that what the bottom panel is for? 14:53 kados it'd also be swank if you could preview the record 14:52 kados cool 14:52 kados there we go 14:52 foxnorth xml as keyword? 14:52 foxnorth um 14:51 kados it's just giving me errors for the ones I've tried 14:51 kados what's a good search to try? 14:51 kados *nod* 14:50 foxnorth but that should be a fun part 14:50 foxnorth the editor needs some serious work still 14:49 foxnorth have you checked out the latest incarnation? 14:49 foxnorth ok-- 14:49 kados but I'm all thumbs with UI stuff 14:49 kados because I can always handle the searching and saving 14:49 foxnorth agreed on the ui 14:49 foxnorth about loc! 14:49 foxnorth ok that's good to know 14:49 kados foxnorth: particulary the cataloging workflow and the editing process 14:48 kados foxnorth: I'd say lets focus on the UI for now 14:47 jaron I agree with kados on the above. 14:46 kados (downloading marc21 rather than marcxml records should also reduce the network traffic between you and LOC by a factor of 10 14:46 kados i generally download using marc-8 and convert on the fly :-) 14:46 kados so I'm not surprised you're having trouble there 14:46 kados LOC doesn't do Unicode properly 14:45 kados woops, looks like I missed your last email, sorry :( 14:44 kados w00t 14:44 foxnorth kados: just emailed you current status 14:38 foxnorth 1 sec :) 14:38 kados sweet 14:38 foxnorth just writing back to your email 14:38 dewey thanks kados :) 14:38 kados dewey: botsnack 14:37 foxnorth hey kados! 14:37 kados hehe 14:37 dewey i think foxnorth is the programmer working on the new cataloging app for google summer of code 14:37 kados hey foxnorth 12:38 jaron that's what I'd say is the worst problem with it. 12:38 toins i 've made some optimisation too.. 12:38 toins yep 12:38 kados it's because we load a HUGE html page 12:38 dewey somebody said speed was just crazy fast 12:38 toins speed ? 12:37 kados what I hear is that the biggest problem is the speed 12:37 kados of course 12:37 toins (but in unimarc) 12:37 toins my work is fully test currently by a french library (IPT) 12:36 toins kados: cleaning the code and rewriting some functions 12:34 kados toins: are you altering the functionality of the KohaMARCEditor? or just cleaning the code? 12:32 jaron right now it's only command line, but the objects created for the next version will allow the library to be reused as a web or gui, I think. 12:31 jaron and would create csv files for label making 12:31 jaron I needed something quicker than the current marc editor that would do scripted changes to records. 12:29 jaron it's mainly a project to learn Ruby and help catalog my PT job's collection. 12:29 jaron but it doesn't want to be a full blown marc editor--yet. 12:29 jaron you can edit subfields that already exist 12:29 toins ok 12:28 jaron hi, toins. no, not a marc editor right now, but a copy cataloging script right now. 12:28 kados jaron: toins is, I think, working on the koha MARC editor 12:28 hdl No KohaMARCEditor 12:28 jaron is that a particular program or the opencataloger? 12:28 toins jaron: you speak about the koha marc editor ? 12:27 hdl toins is rewriting MARCeditor 12:27 dewey rumour has it hdl is here 12:27 jaron yes, hdl? 12:27 kados *nod* 12:27 jaron I'd be happy to work with him but I'm really only interested in writing Ruby right now. 12:27 hdl jaron : 12:26 jaron yeah, I'm weak on the web interface stuff right now. 12:26 kados you could do all the back-end and he could do the web interface 12:26 kados man, I wish I could get you and chris catalfo to work together :-) 12:25 jaron uses worldcat identities, but hasn't been incorporated into the main script yet. 12:25 kados sweet 12:25 jaron You'll see I'm also working on grabbing authority records much easier as a part of grabbing marc records. 12:24 jaron I'd at least put a link there to the rubyforge project: http://zcc.rubyforge.org/ 12:24 kados ? 12:24 kados have you considered packaging up your ruby stuff and putting it on contribs.koha.org/ 12:24 jaron At some point I'd like to write a cvs to marc script in ruby, but not yet 12:24 kados ahh, ok 12:23 jaron no, I'm just doing copy cataloging. 12:23 kados everyone wants a perfect program :-) 12:23 kados hehe 12:23 jaron well, I don't know if there is a perfect program, huh. 12:23 kados I thought I say you say yesterday you had some ruby code to convert from non-marc to marc 12:22 jaron no, I hadn't. 12:21 kados jaron: asking about conversion from an access db? 12:21 kados jaron: did you see that mail from mohamed fekry on the koha list? 12:03 jaron ah 12:02 kados needed a new column in for 'defaultvalue' was one prob 12:02 kados yep, seems to be working fine now 12:01 jaron did you get things resolved with the framework? 12:01 kados yea, definitely got some good momentum going 12:00 jaron sounds like things are moving along with 3, huh? 12:00 kados cool