Time  Nick         Message
11:47 kados        paul: I think that's a preference, libraries here expect to see the count even if it's only 1
11:46 kados        paul: " don t display the 1 in location column if there is only 1 item : it's useless & confusing for users "
11:46 kados        paul: around?
11:45 kados        morning #koha
09:35 Fallor       oh, it was just the proxy of my ISP acting up :D
09:21 slef         sorry I can't hang around to help debug - need to catch a train
09:21 slef         Fallor: something similar happened to me because of an installer bug.  For me, I needed to change the English/French listbox in the web installer to French, then back to English, then some more boxes appeared, including "default Koha preferences" or similar.
09:20 slef         Fallor: n the database table installer?
09:18 Fallor       on the browser
09:18 Fallor       all I get is constant refresh
09:17 Fallor       strange...
08:50 Fallor       i'm still fighting with koha installation ;)
08:49 chris        Hi Fallor
08:49 slef         hi
08:49 Fallor       hi all
08:43 pecisk       :)
08:43 pecisk       hi
08:43 chris        hi pecisk
08:29 dewey        OK, toins.
08:29 toins        dewey: git guide is http://wiki.sourcemage.org/Git_Guide
08:21 chris        catchya later, thanks for the feedback
08:21 slef         right, got to get on... afk
08:21 chris        heh
08:20 chris        presumably their patches/changes will get more scrutiny from then on
08:20 slef         even if they misssssspelll commmit
08:20 slef         http://wiki.sourcemage.org/Git_Guide is quite a handy cookbook too
08:20 chris        hehe
08:20 slef         :)
08:20 slef         I think I pass that question to the RMs and QAM
08:19 chris        yeah
08:19 slef         I'm wondering what's going to happen with "blame" with any next-gen version control system... we'll be able to see who broke stuff, but then what will we do
08:18 chris        yep
08:17 slef         pushing may work best within each company, though
08:17 chris        yeah i like that better
08:17 chris        yep
08:17 slef         rather than having to check the push'd changes
08:17 slef         also lets the RMs ignore stuff for a while, Linus-style, if they get busy, I guess
08:16 chris        yeah  thats better
08:15 chris        right
08:15 slef         "Share with the rest of the world" would then become either put your git online (git update-server-info, git mirror or so on) or send mail (git format-patch)
08:14 chris        cool
08:14 slef         I think I couldn't login last time I tried... also dumping here so I can either read logs later and/or something else I forgot
08:14 chris        thats a better idea
08:14 chris        and yes the rm's might run public ones
08:13 chris        ahh good point
08:13 slef         where basebranch is either origin/origin (for HEAD) or origin/rel_2_2
08:13 chris        feel free to edit the wiki page (or does it still have the problem where you cant login?)
08:13 slef         Personally, I do "git checkout -b newbranchname basebranch"
08:13 slef         $ git checkout -f npl_templates
08:13 slef         And now you check that branch out to start working:
08:13 slef         The first step is to make youself a new branch which you�ll be working within :$ git branch npl_templates
08:12 slef         http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/everyday.html also worth a look I think
08:11 slef         why won't the RMs run public git servers?
08:11 slef         "you need to give the RM of the version of Koha you�re working on, your public SSH key"
07:56 toins        fine too
07:54 chris        good thanks and you?
07:54 toins        how are you ?
07:54 toins        hello chris
07:53 chris        hi toins
07:50 chris        heh
07:49 slef         he tried installing amd64 on i386... "turns out doing an amd64 install on a i386 box is a bad idea"
07:49 slef         root crashed the server
07:48 chris        slef: http://wiki.sourcemage.org/Git_Guide
07:48 chris        ahh i must have done it before that
07:48 slef         it was down from last Thu until yesterday, but I restarted it some time around 16:00Z
07:48 chris        might have been a network blip
07:47 chris        yep
07:47 chris        all good now
07:47 slef         you using serene?
07:47 chris        when i tried a git pull on my koha git archive this morning i got an error, lemme try again
07:46 chris        heh
07:46 slef         chris: what time was your git chat yesterday?
07:46 chris        oh cool slef
07:46 slef         I had a bit more of a chat with martinmorris yesterday which was cool.
07:45 paul         when installing french updated translation
07:45 chris        cool
07:45 paul         the templates will be automatically updated by tmpl_process3.pl
07:45 chris        i made that a systempreference
07:45 chris        paul: one change i made today, but i didnt change the fr templates was for the capitalising of surnames
07:44 chris        i have more time to work on bugs for 3.0 (the koha project days) so hopefully we will get them ironed out
07:41 slef         "The Future of Video and Rich Content Online"
07:41 chris        cant turn down free drinks :)
07:41 dewey        salut, slef
07:41 slef         dewey: bonjour
07:41 dewey        hello, slef
07:41 slef         russel: hi
07:41 paul         slef : for sure. but it's used in 2 libraries, so you should get something working relativly correctly
07:41 russel       hiyas
07:41 slef         ooh
07:41 paul         the second one is a 20 000 catalog, with koha 3.0 Nozebra, on a new computer, that is not a server but a standard desktop, with 1GB RAM iirc, SATA disks.
07:41 slef         interesting info... thanks... I think we still have a bit of a bug-hunt if we install koha 3.0, don't we?
07:40 paul         (55 000 biblios, large unimarc records)
07:40 paul         it's a 4 years old server (dell iirc), and things are faster than previously
07:39 paul         slef : I have 1 library running koha 3.0 Zebra on the same hardware as they were running koha 2.2
07:39 paul         chris : http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=22_to_30 is not only UNIMARC related, I should have not written the title like that...
07:38 slef         chris: not surprised.  Unexploded car-bombs driven into airport doors, for crying out loud!
07:38 chris        good information
07:38 paul         slef : I use lower computers than for Koha 2.2 ;-)
07:38 chris        ahhh thanks paul
07:38 paul         chris : about sanop.css, do you see that I now use intranet2.css, I let sanop with their own stylesheet (and I think it's outdated)
07:38 chris        slef: ahh yeah that was all over the news here
07:37 slef         paul: what CPU, RAM, disk are you recommending for koha 3.0?
07:37 chris        ahh, for you koha 3.0 installs, what machines are they running on?
07:37 slef         I'm just hoping that the security at stations isn't a problem today
07:37 slef         I'm rushing to get out of the office
07:37 slef         chris++
07:37 slef         yeah, sorry
07:37 chris        (JOOI)
07:37 chris        just out of interest
07:36 paul         ???
07:36 slef         paul: what spec are your new koha-zebra servers JOOI?
07:36 paul         yep
07:36 slef         hi paul
07:36 slef         oh, that was about chris?
07:36 paul         hi slef
07:36 slef         paul: I'm not sure whether it's a bugfix or an abomination
07:36 chris        ahh hopefully they are all fixed good :-)
07:35 slef         hi chris
07:35 chris        hi slef
07:35 paul         hi chris.
07:35 chris        hi paul
07:35 paul         chris around ?
03:17 chris        kados: the po file is in the body of the email
03:07 chris        to systempreference it
03:06 chris        the code behind it is actually pretty nice, it shouldnt be too hard
02:49 kados        *nod*
02:49 chris        but neither of those are my bags, unless you want horrendous html written
02:49 chris        and/or javascript as long as we arent doing any of the logic client side
02:49 chris        yep, some includes would tidy a lot of that up
02:48 kados        because if you want to change one thing you have like 9 or 10 places to change it
02:48 kados        well, the current design is completely unmanagable
02:47 chris        as long as none of the actual checks are done in javascript that might be ok
02:47 chris        yuck
02:47 chris        cos san-op wanted the 3 step
02:47 kados        my thought was rather than make so many steps in the template with lots of repetition, just do it in javascript
02:46 chris        gonna have to be a systempref then
02:46 kados        or make it a syspref
02:46 kados        might be worth asking the koha list what folks prefer
02:46 kados        chris: I did a survey of our users and the 5-6 who responded requested a one-step process
02:45 kados        russel: getting there
02:45 russel       kados: how you getting on with those privs for plone?
02:44 chris        they render pretty small
02:44 chris        i quite like the the 3 step
02:43 kados        for no real reason
02:43 kados        the templates are something like 800% larger than in rel_2_2
02:43 chris        yep
02:43 kados        well they were switched from a one-step to a three-step process
02:42 chris        whats wrong with them?
02:42 kados        they could use a complete re-write
02:42 chris        yep
02:42 kados        have you seen the templates?
02:42 kados        chris: since you're working on memberentry ...
02:42 kados        damn autocomplete
02:42 kados        oops
02:42 kados        rach: since you're working on memberentry ...
02:04 russel       righto
02:02 kados        I'm just having a chat with some plone folks
02:01 kados        make a site koha and installed the helpcenter
02:01 kados        http://new.koha.org:8080/koha
01:54 russel       is plone 2.5 up and going?
01:29 kados        and ability for users to sign up and write content
01:29 kados        the biggies IMO are internationalization
01:29 kados        russel: that doc explains some of the functional things that are missing
01:28 russel       same goes for me
01:27 russel       no
01:26 kados        did you see the doc tina put together?
01:26 kados        well, my thought is we should do the whole thing at once
01:25 russel       but open for discussion :-)
01:25 russel       i was thinking a reorg of kohadocs was something manageable
01:24 russel       sure
01:24 russel       so as long as we dont have to wait for a redesign to get it up and going
01:24 russel       well i was thinking koha.org reorg might take a while, whilst kohadocs can be done pretty quick
01:24 kados        y'know?
01:24 kados        koha.org/documentation/xxx
01:23 kados        I'd prefer to use redirects to point the old kohadocs URLs to the new site
01:23 kados        also, I'm not sure we need the kohadocs to be a separate site
01:15 russel       thanks
01:15 russel       i havent done anything other than have a look around
01:15 kados        ok, give me a sec
01:15 kados        and then install plonehelpcenter
01:15 russel       no worries
01:15 kados        so I may just wipe it clean if that's OK with you
01:15 russel       right
01:15 kados        russel: and upgrade to 3.0 in 6 months
01:14 kados        russel: they think we should start with 2.5
01:14 kados        russel: talking with some plone folks
01:12 kados        maybe there's a dependency I didn't install
01:11 russel       http://new.koha.org:8080/Plone/portal_setup/kohadocs/prefs_install_products_form
01:10 kados        russel: what's the URL for the management interface?
01:10 kados        russel: done
01:09 kados        I'll restart again
01:08 russel       i wonder why it is not showing up then
01:08 kados        which is where I put it
01:08 kados        yea, that's actually a symlink to /home/jmf/Plone-3.0/zeocluster/Products
01:07 russel       says it should be in here : /home/jmf/Plone-3.0/zeocluster/client1/Products
01:07 russel       where did you install it?
01:07 kados        huh
01:07 russel       hmm kados - that product is not showing up
01:06 chris        id be inclined to just backport it on
01:06 chris        http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=git-core&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all
01:04 chris        or you can just grab a newer one from backports and put that on
01:04 kados        *nod*
01:04 chris        you can do it all with the old one, you just have to do stuff more manually
01:03 chris        http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/g/git-core/
01:02 chris        next stable isnt for a while, last stable was just released
01:02 kados        whether the next stable version will be newer
01:02 chris        yeah thats what backports is for
01:02 kados        I wonder
01:02 kados        well ... all of our clients and servers are debian stable ;-)
01:01 chris        just anything not that old is fine
01:01 chris        well the version in debian stable is way way old
01:01 kados        that's a shame
01:01 kados        it seems like the version of git really matters
00:58 kados        chris: lookingnow
00:58 russel       ok cool will try that in about 10 mins
00:57 kados        russel: you should be able to install it now
00:57 chris        basically all the intermediate and advanced usage bits there, are how i would do it
00:57 kados        russel: ok, it's in right dir and I've restarted the zeocluster
00:55 chris        http://wiki.sourcemage.org/Git_Guide
00:55 russel       cool thanks for that
00:55 russel       hiya kados
00:55 kados        russel: installing plonehelpcenter now
00:55 kados        sweet
00:55 chris        and it shows me all the remote branches available
00:54 chris        i can do git branch -r
00:54 chris        with a more recent copy of git kados
23:53 russel       sweet as
23:53 chris        yep
23:53 russel       this - /cgi-bin/koha/members/deletemem.pl?
23:53 chris        yep thats fine
23:52 russel       ie
23:52 russel       and for URL's - should i just truncate so that it doesnt have the domain but has the script name location?
23:52 russel       ok cool
23:51 chris        HEAD
23:51 russel       ?
23:51 russel       HEAD or rel_3_0
23:51 russel       which version should i use
23:51 russel       when i am adding bugs to bugzilla for v3
23:51 russel       guys: a question re bugzilla for v3/head
23:32 russel       on dang now i forgot what i was going to ask
23:32 russel       hiya ryan
23:29 ryan         hi russel
23:24 russel       ryan you around?
22:39 chris        right, the short answer is, we dont wnat to use an old version of git
21:35 chris        ahh he said definitely not back by then, nvm plenty else i can work on
21:34 kados        cya soon
21:34 kados        maybe you and MJ can work it out some too, he was supposed to log in soon
21:34 chris        yep
21:34 kados        (sorry)
21:33 kados        can we pick this up in a couple hours?
21:33 kados        and I've gotta run
21:33 kados        with git branch command
21:32 chris        and as a fellow developer you can take a look, and/or merge stuff into your branch
21:31 chris        you should see my branch
21:31 chris        git branch
21:31 chris        git pull
21:31 chris        do a git checkout master
21:31 kados        and then go to dinner
21:31 chris        now if you
21:31 kados        I'll add that
21:31 chris        and voila the branch is made
21:31 kados        cool
21:31 chris        git push origin christest2:christest2
21:31 chris        git commit liblime/moo
21:31 chris        jed liblime/moo
21:30 chris        git checkout christest2
21:30 chris        git branch christest2
21:30 chris        heres what i did
21:30 chris        right thats easier
21:27 chris        without needing to edit anything
21:26 chris        hmm heres perhaps an easier way to do the push a branch
21:26 kados        *nod*
21:25 chris        we can give them, what we might do
21:25 kados        well, we need some examples
21:25 kados        so people aren't intimidated by all the possibilities
21:25 chris        we dont know them yet
21:25 kados        I guess what we need is a set of 'best practices'
21:25 kados        right
21:25 chris        unless you working collaborately on a project together, then you would set up whatever git structure works for you
21:24 chris        probably you would use the git tools to mail them patches
21:23 chris        that pushes to their clone
21:23 chris        or they can give you acess, and you can make another remotes file
21:23 chris        you wont be able to push/pull from them, you will have to use the other tools
21:22 chris        well, unless you cloned from a developer
21:22 kados        developer <-> RM
21:22 kados        developer <-> developer
21:22 kados        I think there are two types:
21:21 kados        first as a developer
21:21 kados        well, no
21:21 chris        ?
21:21 kados        or from somone els's master
21:21 chris        as rm
21:21 kados        next question is how do I merge stuff in from someone else's branch
21:21 chris        yep
21:21 kados        ok, so what we've done is figured out how to commit stuff to the project
21:21 chris        its all set up
21:21 kados        I'm gonna have to really dumb down these docs
21:20 chris        well you could muck up your origin
21:20 chris        and safer
21:20 chris        yeah, altho thats pretty easy
21:20 kados        (cp the origin file and edit the new one I mean)
21:20 kados        hey russel
21:20 kados        chris: git-config means you don't have to edit the origin file?
21:19 chris        once you have set up your remote
21:19 dewey        hello, russel
21:19 russel       howdy
21:19 chris        and you only have to do it once
21:19 chris        you can do it with git-config on newer versions
21:18 kados        chris: that process is somewhat complicated :-)
21:16 kados        ok, I've updated the docs
21:16 chris        (on denethor)
21:16 chris        and then merge
21:15 chris        look at the log/diffs etc
21:15 chris        and check it out
21:15 chris        so now i could go
21:15 chris        i see the branch there
21:15 chris        yep
21:15 chris        lemme just check on denethor
21:15 chris        sweet
21:15 kados        seemed to work
21:14 chris        then try a git push mywork
21:14 chris        edit that liblime/moo file again .. git commit it
21:13 chris        git checkout kados_test
21:13 chris        ok
21:12 kados        done
21:12 chris        mywork
21:12 kados        to mywork or origin?
21:11 chris        (after the pulls)
21:11 kados        ahh
21:11 chris        you have added that line to the file?
21:11 kados        git push?
21:10 chris        where christest = kados_test
21:10 chris        Push: refs/heads/christest:refs/heads/christest
21:10 chris        try this line
21:10 chris        ok
21:10 kados        kados_test
21:10 kados        that's the upper-level dir
21:10 chris        git branch will tell you
21:09 kados        kohaclone maybe?
21:09 kados        hmmm
21:09 chris        what was the name of the branch you created?
21:08 chris        now lets edit mywork
21:08 kados        done
21:08 chris        so cp origin mywork (or something)
21:07 chris        now lets try copying that
21:07 chris        cool
21:07 kados        Pull: refs/heads/opus-prod-testing:refs/heads/opus-prod-testing
21:07 kados        Pull: refs/heads/issuingrules-rt77:refs/heads/issuingrules-rt77
21:07 kados        Pull: refs/heads/katipo:refs/heads/katipo
21:07 kados        Pull: refs/heads/hlt:refs/heads/hlt
21:07 kados        Pull: refs/heads/master:refs/heads/origin
21:07 kados        URL: kados@denethor.metavore.com:/home/chris/kohaclients.git
21:07 kados        got it
21:07 kados        ahh
21:07 kados        is this a git version thing?
21:07 chris        ahh sorry .git/remotes
21:06 kados        but no remotes dir below it
21:06 kados        I have .git/config
21:06 kados        hmmm, I'm in a dir called kohaclone
21:06 mason        hiya joshua
21:06 chris        where are you kados inside kohaclients.git ?
21:05 kados        hey mason
21:05 mason        morning #koha
21:05 chris        cd .git/config/remotes/orign
21:05 chris        is in our clone
21:05 chris        i think what we do
21:03 chris        hmm
20:59 kados        yea
20:59 chris        So now were happy with our work, and were ready to show it to the world. The way we currently do that is to push your branch back to the RM so the QA manager and the RM, along with the rest of the Koha world. If they like your patch or feature, they can merge it in to their master branch.
20:59 chris        so this is the bit we have to figure out how to do
20:58 kados        http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:git_usage
20:58 chris        now is ok
20:57 kados        then I'll be afk for a couple hours, we could do it afterwards if you prefer
20:57 kados        chris: I've got about 30 minutes before dinner plans
20:57 kados        chris: wanna contine where we left off with git last week?
20:44 kados        sweet
20:41 chris        ive been using the serene koha git .. was broken yesterday tho
20:00 slef         ttyl
20:00 kados        sweet
20:00 slef         ah, I'll definitely not be back by then
19:59 kados        prolly in about an hour or so
19:59 slef         ooh, what sort of time, do you know?
19:59 kados        we're discussing git later today anyway
19:59 slef         thanks
19:59 kados        will do
19:59 kados        ahh
19:59 slef         http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/koha-devel/2007-06/msg00008.html
19:59 slef         No, I meant "please remind chris about the serene koha-git"
19:58 kados        ciao
19:58 slef         I've got to go eat now.  I'll be back after.
19:58 kados        chris should be around long after the meeting itself
19:58 kados        defintely
19:57 slef         And remind chris about the serene koha-git ;-)
19:57 slef         Better than nothing, I guess.  Can you be around to take feedback on other points as I read the logs?
19:48 kados        I'm afraid switching the time so late in the game might be confusing
19:48 kados        slef: what if we just postponed the discussion about the installer until you got home? would that work?
19:47 kados        hmmm
19:46 slef         kados: not back in town until 2130gmt and then at least 20mins to return home
19:43 ryan         slef: yeah, one of our testers says same, but it works okay for me.
19:43 kados        slef: if we waited until 20gmt tomorrow could you make it?
19:42 slef         kados++ for all the praise today
19:39 kados        slef++ # for adding bugs
19:37 kados        yea, that makes sense
19:37 kados        I dunno
19:37 slef         so what's the benefit of running as zebra user?
19:37 kados        ryan: ?
19:37 kados        that I'm not sure of
19:37 slef         does it keep itself under $HOME if you do?
19:36 kados        zebra user
19:36 kados        or you can just run it as a user
19:36 kados        yes
19:36 slef         could (should?) chroot zebrasrv for production systems
19:35 kados        on client machines
19:35 kados        in the end it was one less dir to parse through
19:34 kados        yea, we debated over /opt vs /
19:34 slef         If it said /opt, I might have left it
19:34 kados        you're in for a world of hurt
19:34 kados        oh, man
19:34 slef         yeah, I rewrote the configs
19:34 kados        or you could just do symlinks
19:34 kados        the installer tells you to move koha to /koha and zebradb to /zebradb
19:33 kados        ahh
19:33 slef         ok, where does it think it has /zebradb
19:33 slef         20:16:05-01/07 zebrasrv(1) [warn] chdir /zebradb/biblios [No such file or directory]
19:31 kados        slef: might be the best installer for a specialized app I've ever used
19:31 kados        slef: may be a pain to install two versions of python for plone, but the installer is really nice
19:26 kados        you're soooo close :-)
19:26 slef         at least I have a working 3.0 around for devel
19:26 kados        after all that?
19:26 kados        shoot
19:25 slef         kados: demo system
19:25 kados        slef: fall back to 2.2 for what?
19:25 ryan         there's always update marc_tag_structure set mandatory=0;
19:25 slef         ryan: I think I'm going to fall back to 2.2 for now... it's getting late here
19:24 ryan         (just stumbled on this the other day)
19:24 slef         kados: yuck, two copies of Python on the system ;-)
19:24 ryan         slef: (fixed fields are ok - i think bug is when there's a mandatory sufield _in_ a mandatory tag?)
19:23 kados        will not change or interfere with your system Python."
19:23 ryan         yes
19:23 kados        kit includes Plone, Zope and Python. Python is installed in a way that
19:23 kados        Plone and its dependencies from source on most Unix-like platforms. The
19:23 kados        "The Plone Unified Installer is a source-installation kit that installs
19:23 slef         ryan: as in "Yes" in MARC Structure under "Mandatory" column heading - right?
19:22 slef         ryan: argh, tons of mandatory tags...
19:22 kados        slef: *nod*
19:22 slef         kados: plone is Python on Zope?
19:21 ryan         slef: cgi-bin/koha/admin/biblio_framework.pl
19:21 slef         yippee
19:21 slef         "Bugzilla has suffered an internal error. Please save this page and send it to chris.cormack@liblime.com with details of what you were doing at the time this message appeared."
19:21 kados        slef: might be worth checking out
19:21 kados        slef: i'm installing plone for another project and they have a 'universal installer' for linux that's kinda neat
19:21 slef         where's framework editor?
19:20 ryan         no, in framework editor, no tags can have mandatory flag set
19:20 kados        moot
19:20 kados        yea
19:20 slef         kados: moot
19:19 slef         ryan: MARC Bibliographic framework test says OK... is that what you meant?
19:19 kados        so it's prolly a mute point
19:19 kados        but we're planning to move to git fairly quickly (soon as the docs are done)
19:19 kados        maybe after we roll out 3.0 I'll do that
19:19 slef         Mozilla-style code death
19:19 slef         kados: but that would involve tracking commits... tinderbox... argh,
19:19 kados        good idea
19:19 ryan         check framework - if all mandatory flags are at subfield level, might work
19:18 slef         kados: you could keep a "worksforRM" tag in CVS back at the last known-working version
19:18 ryan         blank screen also caused by a mandatory flag set on tag-level.
19:18 kados        slef: expect bugs galore :-)
19:18 kados        maybe, maybe not
19:17 slef         ah, so that's why I have a blank screen
19:17 kados        someone can work on something, then merge when it's actually done
19:17 ryan         dunno - was working a few weeks ago
19:17 kados        it'll be nice when we have git
19:17 kados        ?
19:17 kados        yea, did that actually start yet>
19:17 ryan         may be broken in cvs
19:17 ryan         i think paul said toins is cleaning marc editor up now?
19:16 slef         erm, I can't Add MARC
19:15 slef         more-or-less, I guess
19:15 kados        isn't that just direct cataloging?
19:14 slef         Does simple acquisitions exist in koha-zebra?
19:14 kados        musta been added recently
19:14 kados        makes sense to me
19:14 slef         maybe fixable on the same screen, but getting rid of needless javascript is A Good Thing
19:13 slef         yes - do the language selection as one step, then do the option selection as the next screen
19:12 kados        can it be fixed?
19:12 kados        huh
19:03 slef         select some of those options, including Default Koha preferences and then koha works.
19:02 slef         toggle the drop down from English to French and then back again and a load more database-loading options appear
19:01 slef         javascript in the web installer is buggy
19:01 slef         roflmao
18:57 slef         not set by web installer
18:55 slef         C4::Context->preference('Version') needs to be set
18:55 slef         C4/Auth.pm:342
18:54 slef         how does koha know to redirect to the installer?
18:45 kados        I dunno, someone else reported that too
18:45 slef         s/installer/web installer
18:45 slef         hrm, it just jumped back to the start of the installer - why?
18:44 kados        slef++
18:44 slef         committed
18:34 slef         ok, both patches just failed :-/
18:33 slef         (We've been screwed by the mysql tool, we've been screwed by the shell...)
18:32 kados        yea
18:32 slef         It's probably evil, but I'm willing to try stuff to get away from the command-line tool.
18:31 slef         uses DBI instead of MySQL command-line to install the tables
18:31 kados        w00t
18:28 slef         got it
18:25 slef         "Transport endpoint is not connected"
18:24 slef         strange
18:24 slef         reverted and now it displays again
18:23 slef         but I'm still going to try a revert first, as it worked before my edits
18:23 slef         rewrites interact with almost every part of a server config IME
18:22 kados        :-)
18:22 kados        slef: took me a hell of a time writing it
18:22 kados        slef: that rewritecond is not essential to the operation, but it's nice to have
18:22 kados        slef: http://kados.org/apache/remove-empty-parameters-from-uris/
18:19 slef         can't see why my edit should have made it redirect to itself without doing anything
18:19 slef         I was editing the web installer
18:19 kados        the web installer will create the tables
18:19 kados        I think that should be OK
18:17 slef         nope, looks like there's some other problem first
18:17 slef         Empty set (0.00 sec)
18:17 slef         mysql> show tables;
18:17 slef         ah, maybe... I didn't double-check the rewrite rules
18:17 kados        I haven't double-checked that they're right
18:16 kados        maybe comment out the mod_redirect lines in the conf file?
18:16 slef         browser... investigating whether the db is set up
18:16 kados        what's that coming from, apache?
18:16 kados        weird even
18:16 kados        ird
18:15 slef         "the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete."
18:12 slef         no idea... I'll try cutting it
18:12 kados        do we even need that line?
18:12 kados        huh
18:12 slef         that's a new one on me... any ideas?
18:11 slef         You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near '; /*!40101 SET @OLD_CHARACTER_SET_RESULTS=@@CHARACTER_SET_RESULTS */; /*!40101 S' at line 7
18:02 slef         ooh, I saw that recently
18:02 slef         mysql: Error while setting value '-u' to 'port'
18:02 slef         Unknown suffix '-' used for variable 'port' (value '-u')
18:02 slef         The following error occcurred while importing the database structure:
17:58 slef         undeclared dependency Lingua::Stem
17:53 slef         this log will do most of that, I suspect
17:53 slef         yeah, no worries
17:53 kados        if you could document problems you have with it would be great (again, sorry)
17:53 dewey        ...but head is head...
17:53 slef         dewey: head is head and rel_3_0 is dead
17:52 kados        sorry, that package prolly needs updating
17:52 kados        yea
17:52 dewey        HEAD is head
17:52 slef         HEAD?
17:52 slef         what's in your rel_3_0 folder?
17:52 kados        due to poor planning, we branched too early before we were ready
17:52 kados        the rel_3_0 branch was deprecated
17:51 slef         Is there a rel_3_0 branch yet?
17:50 slef         that'll be a dangling symlink then ;-)
17:50 slef         webapps/zoom_basic/koha/production/opac/htdocs -> ../rel_3_0/koha/koha-tmpl
17:50 martinmorris fair enough - thanks for letting me know jaron :)
17:50 slef         erk
17:50 jaron        martinmorris: on further investigation I'm completely and utterly wrong about what that Link field is for.
17:44 martinmorris yep, all seems to be working, that's a real relief
17:42 kados        sweet
17:41 slef         perlmodver
17:41 slef         kados: packaged a few more debs and made a cool tool
17:40 martinmorris thanks for the tip jaron
17:40 martinmorris well i'll keep the note stored locally and see if i get any problems - as that may be the answer
17:40 jaron        martinmorris: could be I'm completely wrong then and you should ask someone else on this one. I haven't touched authority work for a good while now.
17:39 kados        slef: how's that installer coming? ;-)
17:39 martinmorris and the documentation doesn't have it (although i havebn't read right down to teh bottom)\
17:39 martinmorris i have to say it all seemed to work even though i didn't have that link
17:38 jaron        yes, that's my understanding
17:38 martinmorris so in my case that's 100a I put in the link space?
17:38 martinmorris i had forgotten to do that
17:38 martinmorris i certainly do, thanks
17:38 jaron        but you get the idea?
17:38 slef         ;-)
17:37 martinmorris but it's still fairly jumbled, stef is right *laughs*
17:37 martinmorris it did help me to understand it certainly :)
17:37 slef         (hint: it's not any less jumbled after translation)
17:37 jaron        maybe it makes more sense now
17:37 martinmorris :)
17:37 martinmorris kvankam la teksto de 100 subkampo 9 jam konfiguriÄ?is, ankoraÅ­ necesas enmeti la taÅ­ge numerumitan kampon el la aÅ­toritatregistraĵo en la spacon 'Link' sub 'Default Option' de tiu subkampo en vian MARC-kadron
17:35 jaron        martinmorris: try translating that into esperanto.
17:34 jaron        martinmorris: even though the text for 100 subfield 9 is set up you still need to put the corresponding numbered field from your authority record in the "Link" space under Default Options for that subfield in your framework
17:32 slef         ;-)
17:32 slef         google for "google bugs"
17:32 kados        yep
17:32 martinmorris google certainly has its uses but i discourage kids from using it at the library where i work
17:32 slef         except when it doesn't ;-)
17:32 kados        I use google because it works :-)
17:31 dewey        i don't know, slef
17:31 slef         dewey: don't you have vera loaded?
17:31 dewey        slef: what?
17:31 slef         dewey: vera rlin
17:31 martinmorris i remember i knew that already :)
17:31 martinmorris ah, sorry, i assumed it was a koha abbreviation, not something so general
17:30 slef
17:30 slef
17:30 slef                Research Libraries Information Network (network)
17:30 slef           RLIN
17:30 slef         From Virtual Entity of Relevant Acronyms (Version 1.9, June 2002) :
17:30 kados        slef: yep
17:30 kados        martinmorris: try google ;-)
17:30 slef         (as in, internal use)
17:30 kados        yea
17:30 slef         kados: are 9 subfields like 9xx tags?
17:30 martinmorris and what's RLIN (fearing i'm asking a stupid question)
17:30 martinmorris fair enough kados, ta
17:29 kados        martinmorris: if it's already setup you can ignore that step ;-)
17:29 martinmorris it suggests i need to set up a subfield 9 but that already exists, with the description '9 (RLIN)'
17:29 slef         and kados will probably return eventually, so keep asking ;-)
17:28 slef         I'll be here, just not so talkative
17:28 slef         library stuff... jaron probably knows more ;-)
17:28 martinmorris oh dear - well if you have to go don't let me hold you back :)
17:28 slef         I'll try, but I should get back to work - big meeting tomorrow
17:28 martinmorris i'm starting with 100a
17:28 martinmorris i'm following http://kohadocs.org/usersguide/ch01s03.html to make sure i have authority records available for some marc fields in my biblios
17:27 martinmorris got a quick query before i continue on something
17:16 slef         but that doesn't sell in England just now
17:16 slef         www.ttllp.co.uk used to be bilingual
17:16 slef         not that much
17:12 slef         mi estas mjr.towers.org.uk
17:12 slef         jes... sed eble ne
17:11 martinmorris ĉu mi konas vin? :)
17:11 slef         Iafoje estis esperantolingva, sed ne aktuale
17:11 martinmorris vi laboras por tiu kompanio slef?
17:11 slef         Mi devus traduki www.ttllp.co.uk
17:10 slef         martinmorris++
17:10 martinmorris i'm doing a new catalogue for the british national esperanto library :)
17:10 martinmorris Esperanto as it happens :)
17:10 jaron        martinmorris: what language will they be translated to? :)
17:09 jaron        slef: understood
17:08 slef         jaron: you don't *need* them, but it may be easier than installing from sources
17:08 slef         jaron: which unofficial debian packages site?
17:05 martinmorris yes i'd seen that thanks jaron - but for various reasons i'm going to create them individually at first because they'll need translating anyway
17:05 jaron        slef: are there packages needed from that unofficial debian packages site?
17:05 jaron        martinmorris: there is also a bulk auth import script, but it needs modification to work last I looked.
17:01 martinmorris sounds good to me
17:00 slef         I think this is part of why I like koha - I'm always trying to dumb down the interfaces ;-)
16:59 slef         yep, and Reading The Source
16:59 martinmorris just picked it all up as you've gone along?  work experience?
16:58 martinmorris well i'm only half way through library school so i've got quite a lot to learn still
16:51 martinmorris thanks slef - i'm adding a few now.  will also need to work out how to restrict the relevant fields (650a) to just those authorities - sure it's obvious
16:41 slef         no worries... let me know if it works for you - it's behaving oddly here, but I think it's my fault ;-)
16:33 martinmorris i've just been going to koha administraiton and trying from there and didn't see it!
16:33 martinmorris *that's* embarassing - thanks slef
16:33 martinmorris um *blush* no i hadn't :)
16:32 martinmorris just logging back in , two secs
16:32 slef         oops - iceweasel javascript loop
16:32 slef         So have you tried Authorities - Add Authority off the librarian home page?
16:32 martinmorris :)
16:31 slef         phew, glad iceweasel had memorised that password - I sure hadn't!
16:31 martinmorris thanks matey
16:30 slef         yeah, pretty sure - let me check
16:30 martinmorris i'm assuming there IS a way?
16:30 martinmorris i've popped on with another question i can't seem to find easily in the kohadocs or on the mailing list - i'm now starting to use name and subject authorities for the catalogue and am not sure of a way of storing them in koha so i don't have to keep a separate list
16:29 martinmorris hi slef
16:29 martinmorris afternoon all
16:29 slef         hi mm
16:29 slef         just found it like 60secs ago... thanks anyway
16:28 slef         this 30 one is later
16:28 kados        slef: you can try that
16:28 kados        slef: http://kados.org/stuff/koha_zoom_0.3.tar.gz
16:14 burg         thx
16:13 slef         (in most chat clients, anyway)
16:13 slef         and ITYM /quit
16:13 slef         see you later?
16:13 slef         np
16:13 burg         sorry :)
16:13 slef         ;-)
16:13 slef         no. you
16:12 burg         quit
16:12 slef         (its equivalent of rel_2_2 is rel_2_2, which is less confusing...)
16:12 slef         koha-git's equivalent of cvs head is origin
16:11 slef         aha, git rebase origin/origin fixed it
16:10 kados        bbiab
16:10 kados        slef: problem with changing the date is I really don't know people's schedules other than my own :(
16:10 slef         ok
16:10 kados        slef: I have to go afk for a bit
16:09 kados        how'd I miss that one?
16:09 kados        shoot
16:06 slef         1900Z)
16:06 slef         project earlier on 2 July and can't be sure to be back online by
16:06 slef         (I believe the two main koha-turuloj will be discussing a major koha
16:06 slef         http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/koha-devel/2007-06/msg00025.html
16:05 kados        no, missed it
16:05 slef         kados: did you see comment about the dev-chat?
16:05 slef         it's all I've been good for recently :-S
16:05 slef         BoSchafers: sit around and heckle if you want
16:04 BoSchafers   well this is all a bit over my head at this stage....think I'll turn in....take care and have a productive time
16:03 kados        heh
16:03 dewey        thanks slef :)
16:03 slef         dewey: you watch it, or I'll say something offensive, you botsnack-muncher
16:02 dewey        head is head
16:02 kados        head please
16:02 slef         kados: do I want head or dev_week for zebra?
16:01 kados        that leaves sara, not sure what she's working on
16:01 kados        Ryan's got a client deadline so he won't be joining us ... we've got a golive tomorrow for Barberton PL
16:00 slef         oh yeah, root crashed the server lots
16:00 slef         fatal: unable to connect a socket (Connection refused)
16:00 kados        BoSchafers: it is :-)
16:00 kados        chris, mason and russ won't be here for another 5 hours or so (they are in NZ)
16:00 BoSchafers   so this is the so called koha day im witnessing :) ?
15:59 kados        I think slef's going to work on a new installer
15:59 kados        she's here in the office with me
15:59 kados        Tina and I are going to work on defining Koha 3.0 interface design :-)
15:59 BoSchafers   ah yes? with what? I'm in Oz so its late in the eve here
15:59 kados        hey pecisk
15:55 kados        BoSchafers: we're about to get started here :-)
15:54 kados        hey BoSchafers
13:07 slef         first, I shall suspend this PC for a few hours
12:57 kados        slef++
12:57 kados        sweet!
12:57 slef         I've a few things to do before the shops shut (2 hours from now), so I guess I'll probably end up starting around the same time as you, all being well
12:56 slef         yep, planning to have another crack at installing 3.0, making notes and seeing what to do
12:56 kados        slef: you planning to work on the installer?
12:56 kados        probably will work on Koha 3.0 interface design for setarters
12:55 kados        hoping to get started with KPD around noon (3 hours from now)
12:55 kados        I spaced yesterday
12:55 kados        well this morning I have to wrap up a few non-KPD stuff
12:33 slef         Do you have a project slate for today?
12:14 slef         swap city ;-)
12:14 kados        you could run it on almost no ram if you wanted
12:13 kados        just useful
12:13 kados        so if you can do 2.2 on the box, you should see significant improvements with koha-zebra
12:13 slef         is that amount of RAM needed or just useful?
12:13 kados        it improves the speed of 2.2 :-)
12:13 kados        well, think of it this way
12:13 kados        yea
12:13 slef         and pretty much all new servers should be fine
12:12 slef         I think that means all but one of my current koha-2.2s should move up OK
12:12 kados        one processor
12:12 kados        with 4 gigs of ram
12:11 kados        dell poweredge 1800 IIRC
12:11 slef         what spec servers are you running koha-zebra on?
12:11 kados        :-)
12:11 kados        welcome to Koha Project Day
12:11 slef         hi
12:11 kados        g'morning #koha