Time Nick Message 12:16 kados morning all 12:17 kados hi Frederic 13:31 Frederic hi kados. 14:42 kados hi thd 14:42 thd hello kados 14:43 kados Frederic, thd: you here for Koha Project Day? 14:43 kados kyle_: you too? 14:47 thd I am answering some objections to various GPL V3 draft clauses to ensure we have no unfortunate surprises as a result of unanswered objects when GPL V3 is released in as little as two weeks from now. 14:47 kados cool 14:50 thd The only vital trouble I have had over GPL V3 draft language happened when changes were made to please objectors who were insufficiently well answered. 14:51 tnb rch: ? 14:52 kados hey tnb 14:52 tnb hey josh 14:52 tnb long layover? 14:52 kados couple hours 14:52 tnb ah... 14:52 tnb internet is sketchy everywhere today 14:52 kados *nod* 14:53 thd I had noticed some people who had freenode as part of their connection information recently. Does a koha channel on freenode connect here? 14:53 kados thd: there was a relay briefly 14:54 kados I think it was disconnected thougth 14:54 kados I'll have chris set that up later today 15:05 kados hi Luis 15:05 Luis Hi 15:05 kados welcome to #koha 15:05 kados what brings you here? 15:05 Luis I am from Peru 15:05 kados cool 15:06 Luis I wish colaborate with Koha... it's the firs time that I connect with the community 15:06 kados excellent! 15:07 kados what would you like to work on? 15:08 Luis I am a librarian.... and I love computer science.... I like GNU/Linux... translate or suggestion about Koha 15:09 kados cool 15:09 kados i think there's already a spanish translation of Koha 15:09 kados http://translate.koha.org/get_tables.php?lg=en&view=all 15:09 Luis excellent ... 15:09 kados yep, ther eis 15:09 kados there is I mean 15:10 kados Luis: do you have Koha installed? 15:10 Luis Yes .... 15:10 kados which version? 15:10 dewey i heard which version was it ? 15:10 kados 2.2.9? 15:10 Luis 2.2.8 15:10 kados cool 15:10 Luis yes, but I heard that it have many problems with mysql 5.0 15:11 kados well, there were some fixes for mysal 5.0 15:11 kados but the RM didn't include them in 2.2.9 15:11 kados so they are 'fixed in the repo' afaik 15:11 kados we just need to get Paul to pull them into the next release 15:12 kados Luis: do you use ESMARC? 15:12 Luis I use Marc21 15:12 kados cool 15:12 Luis I work in San Marcos University 15:12 kados excellent 15:13 Luis and we have a project ... we are configure Koha .... 15:13 Luis Koha is excellente ILS ... 15:13 kados thank you! 15:13 kados we think so too :-) 15:14 kados Luis: i think the first thing you could do is write an email to the koha list and introduce yourself, and tell us what your project is, who it will serve, how long you've been working on it, etc. 15:14 Luis ok 15:15 kados also include what your talents are, and what you'd like to work on in the koha project (if applicable) 15:16 Luis excellent.... I like it 15:16 Luis I write an email ... 15:16 Luis I will write an email 15:16 kados cool 16:00 Frederic kados: Yes, I'm here for Koha Project Day, even i don't really know what it means :) 16:02 Frederic As you have seen, I'm here part time... I won't be easy to be in touch directly. 16:03 rch Hi Frederic 16:03 rch have you been working with Koha for some time ? 16:07 Frederic Not really. I'm currently switching my business to providing Koha to French specialized libraries. 16:08 thd Frederick: where are you located? 16:09 thd Frederic: where are you located? 16:09 Frederic I'm in touch with Paul. I hosted him to an exhibition I attended last week. We presented Koha. 16:09 Frederic Paris 16:10 Frederic http://www.tamil.fr/u/fdemians.html : to contact me. 16:10 thd Frederic: what had your business from which you are switching done? 16:11 Frederic We were lastly selling a proprietary US ILS. 16:12 thd Frederic: which one? 16:12 dewey which one is that? :-) 16:12 Frederic Slef, where are you from? 16:12 slef Frederic: England 16:12 Frederic EOS.Web 16:14 Frederic I'm fighting to have a koha v3 installed. 16:15 Frederic ... with mitigated success. 16:16 thd Frederic: do all parts of EOS.Web over a remote server? 16:16 tnb Frederic: hi, I'm Tina Burger. I do marketing for LibLime and the Koha project. If you provide me with some info about your company , we can see you are added to the 'pay for support' page of the koha.org website 16:16 thd s/over/run over/ 16:16 tnb http://koha.org/support/pay.html 16:17 tnb my email is: tnb@liblime.com 16:17 Frederic tnb: I will send you an email. 16:18 tnb cool. thanks! 16:18 Frederic thd: I don't understand your question. EOS.Web, like Koha, is a true full web app. 16:19 thd Frederic: so the record editor runs over the web as well? 16:20 Frederic Tyna: you can see our marketing material on our web site : http://www.tamil.fr/solutions/koha/. and a brochure : http://www.tamil.fr/solutions/koha/flyer.pdf which was done with a logo LibLime provided to us (thanks) 16:21 Frederic thd: yes. With a dual mode : marc and non-marc (marc21 only) 16:23 thd Freceric: so you had customers in France who were using MARC 21 or were they all using non-MARC? 16:24 thd Frederic: or did you have customers in Quebec using MARC 21? 16:25 Frederic Non-MARC. Indeed, it could be interesting for some libraries, even in France, to catalog in MARC21. Because their titles are scientific and easily found on international biblio catalogs like LC. 16:27 Frederic For such libraries, an ideal solution would be to catalog in UNIMARC, but having a way to download MARC21 records and convert them in UNIMARC on the fly. 16:27 Frederic Where are you from thd. Canada? 16:28 thd Frederic: I would be very much interested in seeing a demonstration of the EOS.Web MARC editor to see if there may be anything to be learnt from their design about the tricky business of designing MARC editors which run over the web. 16:29 thd Frederic: I am from New York City. 16:30 thd Frederic: or live in New York City and from California. 16:31 Frederic I regret not to have visited NYC but I were in Boston several times and know South California from LA to San Diego area. 16:32 Frederic What do you want to learn about MARC editor? There is already one in koha and a new one to come: OpenCataloger. 16:34 thd Frederic: we do not have a perfect design and I am always looking for good ideas for design which may be incorporated for use in Koha. 16:34 thd Frederic: Could you provide me a demonstration of the EOS.Web MARC editor? 16:35 Frederic Send me a direct email. 16:55 Frederic Hi Paul 17:12 thd email sent Frederic 17:53 rch hey all - has anyone created a framework implementing MARC21 LITE ? 17:56 rch paul: are you available ? 18:17 rch hi randy 19:30 kados hey all 19:31 rch +/who 19:31 rch hi kados 19:31 kados hey 19:32 kados how's it going? 19:33 tnb where are you? 19:33 kados I'm at a Mall 19:33 kados about to head to my hotel 19:33 tnb ah 19:34 kados tnb: I like your suggestions 19:34 kados tnb: maybe add them to the koha wiki somewhere? 19:34 kados and when russ comes on, discuss with him? 19:35 kados he's the current de facto website guy 19:35 kados I totally agree showcase is confusing 19:35 kados demos is much better 19:35 kados tnb: I did manage to get quite a few new users listed recently thought 19:36 kados tnb: http://koha.org/showcase/opacs.html 19:36 kados but yea, no-where near enough listed 19:36 tnb right now, i'm working on mock-ups 19:36 kados cool 19:37 thd kados: does 'showcase' have more common use in NZ than elsewhere? 19:37 kados I dunno 19:40 tnb well, to me 'showcase' suggests 'portfolio' or users 19:40 tnb but it is demos that is currently under that tab 20:56 russel howdy 20:57 kados hey russ 20:58 rch hi russ 21:07 chris morning 21:41 rch nabble looks pretty cool 21:41 rch hadn't seen that before - we should link to Koha - discuss from koha.org 21:42 chris definitely 21:42 russel got the link i can do that right now 21:42 rch http://www.nabble.com/Koha---Discuss-f14390.html 21:48 chris nabble and gmane are both pretty neat 21:52 chris then bails to work on wiki.koha.org for a bit instead :) 22:05 chris hey rach 22:06 chris hi warr 22:08 russel http://www.koha.org/community/mailing-lists.html 22:09 chris cool 22:09 russel i'll wrap the mailing list sign up with the look and feel too 22:09 rach morning 22:10 russel hi rach 22:10 rach your first koha project day? 22:10 chris yep 22:13 chris hows ur little man doing rach? I hear you are trying the clicker training on his sleep routines? 22:15 rach yep - working well actually on improving his speed of going to sleep 22:15 rach particularly during the day 22:15 chris excellent 22:15 chris we are doing the buying a carseat thing at the moment, what did you guys get? 22:16 rach and after the first night when he woke up, he's gone back to having a bigger sleep through the night 22:16 rach safe n something 22:16 rach I think 22:16 chris ohhh big sleep through the nights are excellent 22:16 chris safe n go? 22:17 rach could be 22:17 chris one of the convertible ones? 22:17 rach I don't think so 22:17 rach it can't do little babies 22:17 chris theres too many to choose from 22:17 chris ahh right 22:18 rach it has a couple of different positions, more and less upright 22:19 chris does it do forward and rear facing, or just forward? we are debating renting a rear facing one for the next 5 months then getting a forward facing one 22:20 chris or buying one that can do both (the forward facing only ones last till they are a lot older) 22:21 rach does both 22:21 chris ta 22:22 rach did rear facing until he was about 1, then forward facing 22:22 chris right 22:59 russel ok bit better - http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha 23:01 chris cool russ 23:53 chris hi gganno 23:54 kados cool chris 23:55 chris http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:modules:head 23:55 chris t/Amazon.t could go a couple more tests kados :-) 23:55 kados nice 23:55 kados hehe 23:56 chris its just doing a basic compile one 23:56 chris but thats a good start 23:56 kados excellent 23:56 chris cos you can run perl misc/testKoha.pl 23:56 chris and it will run all the tests (that weve written anyway) 23:57 chris so by the end of the day that will be doing a basic does use module 23:57 chris work for all the modules 23:57 kados very cool chrks 23:57 kados chris even :-) 23:57 chris plus a few more i write a long the way 23:57 chris Acquisition.t makes a new basket, then gets that basket 23:58 chris any easy ones like that i spot ill write tests for as i go 23:59 gganno hi chris 23:59 gganno I am just hanging around 23:59 chris cool 00:00 chris do you use Koha? 00:00 gganno I am trying 00:01 chris cool, are you a librarian? 00:01 gganno I do not have anything in production yet 00:01 gganno Yes Librarian 00:01 chris in the US? 00:01 gganno Currently yes 00:01 gganno in the US 00:02 chris sweet, im in nz 00:02 gganno But, I am actually from Mali (Africa) 00:02 chris oh cool, we have a few libraries in Africa using Koha, i dont think one in Mali though 00:03 chris http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=kohausers#africa 00:03 gganno The situation of Libraries in Mali make it difficult to adopt any web based application 00:04 chris no internet access? 00:04 gganno Usually no computers at all 00:04 chris *nod* 00:04 chris makes sense 00:05 gganno I will probably be the first to adopt Koha in Mali 00:05 kados gganno++ 00:07 gganno You find Timbuktu, you find Mali 00:07 chris :) 00:07 chris ahhh 00:08 chris by algeria .. colonised by the french too eh? 00:08 gganno Yes colonised by french 00:09 chris thats the neat thing i like working on Koha, I dont think I would have talked to anyone from Mali if it wasnt for Koha :) 00:10 gganno From Mali to NZ, it is not a short distance 00:10 chris it sure isnt :) 00:11 chris if you ever need any help with Koha, there is usually someone here .. and often some french speakers if thats helpful .. otherwise the mailing lists are a good pplace to ask questions 00:12 gganno Thanks 00:13 gganno As soon as I start my koha implementation 00:13 gganno I will be spamming the list with questions 00:13 chris :_ 00:13 chris :) even 00:21 gganno bye 00:21 chris cya later 02:01 thd` kados: does 'showcase' have more common use in NZ than elsewhere? 02:01 thd` oops 02:52 thd kados: are you awake? 07:59 chris hi france :) 07:59 paul hi chris 07:59 hdl hi chris. 08:07 paul chris : nice to see on CVS the first effects of KPD ;-) 08:08 chris :) 08:08 chris ive been working on this too 08:09 chris http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:modules:head 08:09 chris nearly finished it 08:09 paul yes, I've seen (thanks to RSS...) 08:10 chris :) 08:10 paul is it manually or by script created ? 08:10 chris some by script some manual 08:11 chris ill keep it up to date by watching commits to HEAD 08:12 chris and i will complain if people add new subroutines and don't edit the .t file :) 08:12 chris http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:tests 08:13 chris i have that running as a cron job, and emails the results to me 08:14 chris next KPD, ill add more to the tests at the moment most of them are just a simple syntax test (ie does use Modulename; work) 08:15 chris toins did great work on the BookShelves tests 08:15 toins hi chris 08:16 toins chris: have you ever seen perl module WWW::Mechanize::Test ? 08:16 toins seems excellent to make some unit test for web developement 08:17 chris ohh cool 08:17 toins not only test the functions 08:17 chris have you ever seen selenium? 08:17 toins chris: yep 08:17 toins but i have not use it 08:18 chris we have started to get our clients to use it 08:18 chris http://www.openqa.org/selenium-ide/ 08:19 chris they can record what they do to show us the bug, then attach the file (it saves as just an html file) 08:19 chris then we can run it, to recreate the bug, to help us fix it 08:19 paul great idea ! 08:21 lloyd that is a pretty handy tool 08:21 chris yep 08:21 chris often its hard to document all the steps you took to make a bug appear, much easier if you can just record what you do 08:56 chris hi bureado 08:56 bureado chris, good day 10:09 slef hi all. lloyd: are you around? 10:17 lloyd hey I am mate 10:17 lloyd sup 10:18 slef Wondering if you've heard of or you use the CILIP UK Core Spec for LMSes at all? 10:19 lloyd yeah heard of it, but we dont use it 10:19 slef why not, if you don't mind me asking? 10:20 lloyd No idea, not my area =) 10:20 slef nice swerve :) 10:21 lloyd library management systems in the nhs are a mess 10:22 lloyd there is no standard 10:22 lloyd when a library wants a LMS they approach suppliers with what they need, the suppliers do demo's then they pick the one they like the most 10:23 slef I wonder whether UKCS is an attempt to raise barriers to entry by 10:23 slef current LMS suppliers, but I don't want to pay 500 quid to find out. 10:23 lloyd maybe 10:24 lloyd I can't remember the most popular ones atm 10:24 lloyd I know Heritage is one of them 10:24 slef That's IS Oxford's? 10:24 lloyd yeah 10:24 slef yeah, I hear lot about it 10:24 lloyd none of it good I presume 10:24 slef mixed 10:24 lloyd ahh well, it's shite 10:24 slef argh, just got named along with koha in this debian conference session 10:25 slef just as I was typing in IRC 10:25 slef that was strange 10:25 lloyd we're using it here. 10:26 slef I'd've thought it was a bit small for your needs, tbh 10:26 slef and not flexible enough 10:26 lloyd nah it's all seperate atm 10:26 lloyd 28 different LMS's 10:26 lloyd and at the this library, we're running heritage 10:27 lloyd we'll prolly be the 4th or 5th library to migrate over the koha system 10:28 slef lloyd: can I pass your contact details to another hospital? (Sorry, can't remember if I asked before.) 10:28 lloyd no you didnt ask before, but yes feel free to 10:30 slef thanks 10:31 lloyd I'm going on holiday for two weeks this Wednesday, so may not answer/reply =) 10:35 slef I'll warn them. 10:35 slef They're @uclh 10:39 lloyd kk