Time Nick Message 12:57 jaron anyone here that can answer a quick question on bulkmarcimport.pl concerning utf-8 conversion of MARC21 records? 12:58 jaron I'm wondering if the script just checks for the value in leader byte 9 and proceeds from there. 12:59 owen kados would know, if he's around 13:00 jaron owen: ok, I'll see if I can catch kados then. 13:01 owen Or mail the Koha list, and then you don't have to catch him at just the right time 13:01 jaron yeah, and someone else might have an idea too. 13:32 jaron ok, email sent to list 13:35 paul hello world... 13:51 jaron hey, paul. did you by any chance see my recent email to the koha list concerning bulkmarcimport and character encoding? 13:52 jaron recent == just a little bit ago 14:06 paul yes, that's why I "beeped" you here ;-) 14:07 paul in fact, I can't help you i'm afraid, because I use unimarc, and I don't have encoding problems with unimarc (as it's usually latin1 encoded) 14:07 paul so I never had any problems with encoding when migrating libraries. 14:07 jaron that's the default encoding for unimarc? 14:07 paul another think I can point is that the encoding is in 100 field (a coded unimarc field) 14:07 paul 01 means "latin1" 14:07 paul 50 means "utf-8" 14:08 paul (position 16-17 iirc) 14:08 jaron that's good to know. 14:09 jaron ok, so I'll see if any marc21/usmarc folks have an idea 14:24 jaron unimarc is so much less ambiguous about character encodings. 14:24 jaron but it seems that appendix j on character sets is only available from ifla in print form :( 18:52 slef How can I say "not whitespace nor angle brackets" in a perl regular expression? 18:56 kados if ($string !~ /[ \[\]]/) { 18:56 kados maybe? 18:57 slef actually, I was using [^\\s<>] which seems to work for me 18:57 slef but not for this guy emailing me... I'll ask him to run my test case 18:57 slef wonder if his regexp libraries are screwed 18:59 kados everyone seems to be in the 2-3 camp 18:59 kados I lean heavily torward 3 18:59 kados I don't think 3.0 is anywhere ready for release 18:59 slef 2-3 camp? 18:59 kados sigh 19:00 kados > 1- Argh! We must release Koha 3.0 as soon as possible. The code 19:00 kados > clean-up concerns you developers alone, so do it afterwards. And the 19:00 kados > improvement of user interface can wait too. But I need 3.0's features 19:00 kados > now! 19:00 kados > 19:00 kados > 2- Damn! Bad news. But good, we're working with 2.2 well enough and 19:00 kados > we can wait 3 months more. But not more than 3 months, even so. 19:00 kados > 19:00 kados > 3- Pah! I'm very happy with Koha 2.2. Koha 3.0 can take another 6 19:00 kados > months to arrive and I won't be unhappy. 19:00 slef hey, that's my email :) 19:00 kados hehe, yea 19:00 thd` kados: what are you going to do about that problem? 19:00 slef I thought we had a new version 2.3 or -1 or something 19:01 kados hi thd 19:01 thd hello kados 19:01 kados thd: well I'm doing all I can 19:01 thd kados: I cannot be happy with 2.2 19:01 kados thd: just like all of us I suppose, super busy keeping my head above water 19:01 kados thd: yea, 2.2-- 19:02 kados what we need is a huge grant for people to just work on the project 19:02 kados instead of having to work for customers 19:02 thd kados; what is the obstacle for 3.0? 19:02 kados there are quite a few 19:02 kados templates 19:02 kados poor reports 19:02 thd in terms of coding? 19:03 kados member entry must be re-written 19:03 kados need to do testing 19:03 kados unit and functional 19:03 slef I need some help estimating times, then I should get more koha work. 19:03 kados plus there's a lot of just zany french-specific stuff that's crept in 19:03 slef Trouble is, there's too much of koha I simply don't know, so I get all 19:03 slef hestitant, so I put people off. 19:04 kados like the link in the header points to paulpoulain.com 19:04 kados (hard coded) 19:04 kados slef: *nod* 19:04 kados if we had two solid months to just work on the project I think we could do a decent release 19:05 thd well as long as it actually has the Jazzy stuff in the first place that can be fixed without too much pain 19:05 slef now I've an automated cvs2git tree, I can probably send my changes to 19:05 slef someone else to review and not worry so much about cvs commits clobbering them 19:05 kados slef: chris, mason and ryan have been using git too 19:06 kados anyway 19:13 thd Everyone, including me had missed the bad effect during the past 2 months. Fortunately for Koha there is an easy fix. 19:14 slef I wish they'd stop breaking and keep testing the Any Browser GPLv3 site features. I saw another backtrace this afternoon. 19:14 slef I've commented very little on gplv3 because gplv3.fsf.org is so poor. 19:15 slef Unlike koha, no-one pays me to jump throught hoops to use it. 19:15 thd slef: I had to repost a comment twice because of those problems 19:17 thd slef: I attribute most of the problems to the evils of JavaScript, however, I can say that the FSF people are very understaffed and overworked 19:17 slef They should have made sensible code releases from day 1, then they could have had some help. 19:18 slef As it is, the comment system is on rt 3.2, so there's a double-whammy of figuring out how it works and then porting it to current rt versions, else they've just built a white elephant :-/ 19:20 thd slef: most parts of the GPL V3 comment system work with Iceweasel if you have JavaScript on but I have sometimes had to restart Iceweasel 19:22 slef thd: not for me, even with restart. :-/ 19:22 slef I need to do lots of upgrades and decrufting, though. 19:22 slef but it is a fairly standards-compliant browser, AFAICT 19:23 thd slef: my first post showed that double blank lines turned to no blank lines. Tuesday I discovered that open quotations at the end of a paragraph will also eliminate an intervening blank line. 19:25 thd slef: I have spent much of my time during the past two months upgrading and improving systems to stable Etch and I am quite please with the results of that work even if it has taken a long time configuring everything. 19:26 slef thd: I've some of koha-2.2's dependencies packaged for etch at http://serene.ttllp.co.uk/~mjr/ by the way 19:27 slef mostly either naïve dh-make-cpan packages, or rebuilds of others 19:27 thd that is very good to know 19:28 slef and koha-deps.txt are the packages from etch I needed to install 19:28 slef I'll set up an apt source, polish them and upload them to sid when I get time (hah!) 19:29 thd slef: are all of those packages Etch based? 19:29 slef should be 19:29 slef I don't think I backported any of those... oh wait, some maybe came from France 19:30 slef let me grab the apt source lines 19:31 slef actually, no, the rebuilds are from enslyon, so apart from yaz, they're all Etch 19:31 slef s/the/some