Time Nick Message 12:18 kados morning all 12:18 kados paul around? 12:18 kados or hdl? 12:18 dewey i heard hdl was here 12:18 hdl yes 12:19 kados for 2.2.9 I believe 12:19 hdl morning kados. 12:19 kados g'morning 12:19 hdl Yes. 12:19 hdl I answered him. 12:19 hdl Very bad publicity he does indeed. 12:19 hdl 1) not on bugs.koha.org 12:19 kados yep 12:19 hdl 2) it is mainly a framework problem imho 12:20 kados could you 'bounce' your reply to the list 12:20 kados so others can see the solution? 12:21 hdl But it is quite surprising to be told that on liblime demo, updating items donot work... Does it ? 12:22 kados wow 12:22 kados if I edit a biblio 12:23 kados I edited the biblio title 12:23 kados and the title disappeared! 12:23 kados maybe someone has messed up the framework 12:24 kados I guess we need to have cron update the framework every day too 12:24 jaron At one point the framework was locked down for demo users. 12:25 kados yea, I'll have to ask ryan about that 12:25 kados hi jaron, what's new? 12:25 jaron Not much. I was going to ask here myself about that fellow's problems. 12:26 jaron I didn't know where to start trying to help him. 12:26 kados right 12:26 kados thanks for volunteering :-) 12:26 kados you can tell him on-list that the problem is caused by incorrectly defined frameworks 12:26 kados jaron++ 12:27 jaron This isn't a problem with 2.2.9 per se? 12:27 jaron I haven't upgraded yet myself. 12:28 kados no, not a bug at all 12:28 kados a miss-configuration 12:31 jaron One of the bugs Bo reported I've run into myself in 2.2.8. 12:31 jaron 3. When Deleting a book from Koha, the Biblio Subtitle (245b) is not 12:31 jaron erased from the subtitle database. When new books are added then the 12:31 jaron subtitles of the other books get all screwed up, Wrong, random subtitles 12:31 jaron for the books. 12:31 jaron Bugzilla Bug 1346 12:32 kados hdl: can you confirm that does not happen in 2.2.9? 12:33 kados hdl: if we are getting reports then it is likely a problem and should be fixed asap 12:33 jaron I'm on mysql 5 so that's be my first guess 12:34 kados jaron: do you see any errrs in your logs? 12:34 jaron ah, give me a little to check.... 12:34 jaron I'm not on that machine. 12:35 kados paul have you seen this bug report? 12:37 kados morning owen 12:37 owen Hi kados, what's new? 12:37 kados nuthin much 12:37 kados just having a look at some recent bug reports 12:38 kados it seems there are some pretty serious ones reported in 2.2.8/9 in the last few days 12:38 owen Yeah, I have noticed a bit of complaining on the list 12:42 jaron kados: I check koha-error_log for the days around when I reported that bug and didn't see any errors concerning the phantom subtitle bug. 12:42 kados paul, hdl, do you plan to investigate these bugs and fix them in the 2.2 series? 12:42 hdl which ones ? 12:43 kados hdl: see Jaron's post above about subtitles 12:43 jaron hdl: this is one: Bugzilla Bug 1346 12:44 jaron Please let me know if you need any clarification concerning this bug. I'm the one who reported it. 12:45 kados hdl: bugs 1334 - 1346 all look to be un-addressed 12:46 hdl a) is there mysql errors in koha-error log when deleting biblio. 12:46 jaron hdl: no errors in koha-error_log 12:48 hdl b) would you mind sending offending bibliosubtitle record, previous bibnum taht was deleted, and an instance of an other biblio with its biblionumber ? So that we could follow the problem. 12:49 jaron hdl: All trace is gone. I've since dumped all my MARC records and imported them again to completely rebuild the tables. 12:50 jaron hdl: I do not currently have a testing machine to replicate the problem and I'm not willing to do it on production again :) 12:50 hdl I understand 13:14 hdl jaron : problem 1346 should be fixed in CVS. Could you confirm and close ? 13:15 kados hdl++ 13:16 jaron hdl: sure. might not be until later that I get a chance. what file(s) changed? 13:16 kados jaron: Biblio.pm 13:16 jaron ok 13:16 hdl two lines to be added. 13:16 hdl in OLDdelbiblio 13:27 kados hdl: how about the other report from Bo on 'purchase suggestions' 13:27 kados hdl: have you seen that one? 13:30 hdl not on my configuration. 13:31 hdl suggestions work ok. 13:38 kados the report specifically is about when you are not logged in 13:54 rch yes, this is the case for us: no error; the suggestion is just ignored. 14:12 jaron hdl, kados: On 2.2.8 I applied hdl's two line patch to Biblio.pm. I imported a record with a subtitle, then deleted it. Before the patch I'd be left with a record for that bib number with just a subtitle, after applying the patch I have a blank bib as it should be. 14:12 jaron Looks like this bug can be closed. 14:12 jaron hdl++ 15:38 kados jaron: great, thanks for your help on this 15:39 kados hdl++ 15:39 kados bbiab 15:39 paul 2.2.10 to release asap ? 15:39 kados paul: no, there are more bugs to squash 15:39 kados Bo has reported some, and others are on bugs.koha.org 15:39 paul ok, waiting a little bit (and leaving for a demo tomorrow, for 2 days) 15:40 paul read you later 17:26 owen kados, are you around? 17:27 kados yep 17:27 kados owen: what's up? 17:28 owen Has Stowe-Munroe talked to you about the downloadable audio books at all? 17:28 owen I'm curious if other Koha libraries are trying to address the same problems we are 17:28 kados no, not yet 17:28 kados but I know it's a biggie for the academic libraries that are interested 17:28 kados they are going to need that overlay module 17:29 owen Module? 17:29 kados to allow import and overlay of records 17:29 owen Oh, right. 17:29 kados not sure module is the best work, 'feature' is probably better 17:30 kados s/work/word/ 17:30 owen The issues don't stop there, for us 17:30 kados no? 17:30 kados deletions too, eh? 17:31 owen We have to figure out how to work with NetLibrary's authentication scheme, which right now is IP-based. Home users are supposed to log in on NPL's site 17:31 kados ahh 17:31 kados I thought we had a proxy redirect in place 17:31 owen So how do you catch a click from the OPAC and get the user properly logged-in? 17:31 kados a proxy redirect ;-) 17:31 owen :) 17:32 owen If it's circs Lauren wants... :) 17:32 kados now traditionally this would be done with ezproxy IIRC 17:32 kados did they mention anything about that? 17:32 owen No, but I'm not talking to a tech person 17:33 kados if we have an agenda for Thursday that could be on it 17:33 kados remember a while ago we had some PHP script or something that was supposed to authenticate users? 17:34 kados what ever happened with that? 17:34 owen https://www.athenscounty.lib.oh.us/authenticate.html?choice=eaudiobooks 17:34 kados yea 17:34 kados so I enter in my card number 17:35 kados works like a charm 17:35 kados so what's the prob? 17:35 kados ahh 17:35 kados you need to catch the click from the OPAC 17:35 owen Right. If you've got a record in the catalog for an e-audio book, what does it link to? 17:36 kados ok, so coupla ways to do this 17:36 kados more than a couple actually 17:37 kados probably the most elegent is to have koha regex add the redirect URL to the real URL and have a script somewhere that handles the authentication 17:37 kados so you'd have something like: 17:37 kados http://myacls.org/authenticatenetlibrary?redirect=http://netlibrary.org/audiobook/14 17:37 kados and it would check to make sure the user was logged in 17:39 owen What do you mean by koha regex? Koha is re-writing the URL coming from the MARC record? 17:40 kados right 17:40 kados meant perl regex 17:41 owen I suppose you could build a URL click-handler that worked for all URLs, on which you could add things like pattern match conditions and redirect URLs. It would be a nice way to add click-tracking to Koha's statistics. 17:41 kados great idea! 17:42 kados heh 17:45 slef hi all 17:45 slef dewey: botsnack? 17:45 dewey thanks slef :) 17:45 owen kados, are other clients of yours wrestling with the issue of how to handle records without items? 17:45 kados not vocally 17:46 kados but I suspect it's a problem for all koha users 17:46 kados the problem with koha users is they don't want to pay for anything ;-) 17:46 kados present company excluded of course ;-) 17:46 owen Lousy skinflints! 17:46 kados hehe 17:49 rch hi, slef 17:50 rch i notice there's a virtual shelf OO implementation with your name on it 17:50 slef Someone is hitting me with a shelf? 17:51 rch not the case? 17:51 rch two virt shelf modules, one oo. 17:51 kados owen: the idea you presented wouldn't be very difficult to implement, it's in the order of the xisbn idea 17:51 kados 10-15 hours I'd guess 17:51 rch i thought i saw your name in the credits for the oo version. 17:51 slef I'm still slapping my head against the MakeMaker problems. 17:51 kados owen: we can discuss further on Thur if you want 17:52 slef It's possible. I can't remember what I did last week. :-/ 17:52 kados makemaker-- 17:52 kados make-- 17:52 owen Yeah, I'll be sure to bring it up if we have time. 17:52 slef kados: makes(sic) it very easy to package, though. 17:52 kados yep 17:52 owen Does #koha really have a karma bot? 17:52 slef BTW, did you all see the Anal Tourism Research post on librarian.net? 17:52 owen @karma 17:52 kados @karma make 17:52 slef dewey: karma make 17:52 dewey make has karma of -1 17:53 kados guess so 17:53 slef Greetings from the XMPP world, by the way. 17:53 kados greetings 17:54 kados neat 17:54 slef (which isn't in DNS, at least not yet) 17:54 owen Anal Tourism Research post: http://community.livejournal.com/library_mofo/489373.html 17:54 kados hehe 17:58 slef dewey: koha 17:58 dewey somebody said koha was the first open-source ILS or a good free software ILS 17:58 slef dewey: karma koha 17:58 dewey koha has neutral karma 17:58 slef koha++ 17:59 owen yeah, koha++ 18:02 owen kados, does NPL have rapid index-updating now? 18:02 kados no, but they should 18:02 kados my fault 18:03 owen Weird... I just deleted something and it disappeared from search results right away 18:03 kados well deleting might be instant 18:08 slef Oops. 18:09 owen kados: have you gotten feedback about an IRC dev meeting? 18:09 slef brb 18:10 kados owen: yep, and scheduling it is on my todo for today 18:11 kados about 6-8 folks responded 18:12 owen show-off ;) 22:09 Lea hi 22:09 dewey hola, Lea 22:09 Lea long time :D 22:09 Lea I kust popped in before going to bed. Any worg on Koha v3 yet? 22:12 chris hi lea 22:12 Lea hi 22:12 chris we are having an irc meeting to talk about that soon, paul is deploying it soon for final(ish) testing 22:13 Lea great stuff 22:13 Lea I'm being asked to do a load of stuff for V2 that may not be necessary 22:13 chris what sort of stuff? 22:13 Lea to do with data migration 22:13 chris ah right 22:13 Lea i think there was also 2 showstoppers for v2: 22:13 Lea 1. Short term loans 22:14 Lea 2. Holidays 22:14 chris ahh holidays are fixed for v2 22:14 Lea I believe V3 will have these 22:14 Lea ? 22:14 chris and yes 3 does 22:14 chris holidays were just recently backported to v2 22:14 Lea i would be willing to test 3 if you like 22:14 Lea i have a full time librarian who could test it 22:14 chris its all in cvs :-) 22:15 Lea ah ok :D 22:15 chris we dont have a nice tarball install package yet, but if you check out the HEAD of cvs, thats 3 22:15 Lea looks like I might have to do this as well as re-engineering my entire network + servers this summer :( 22:15 chris busy summer 22:15 Lea ok, well it's good news 22:15 Lea yeah 22:16 Lea right I need to go to bed 22:16 Lea it's really late 22:16 chris are you on the devel list? 22:16 Lea talk in the morning if you're still up :D 22:16 Lea no I'm not 22:16 chris cool :) 22:16 chris you might want to lurk on that 22:16 Lea ok 22:16 Lea will check it out tomorrow 22:16 chris cool 22:16 Lea nn all! 22:16 chris sleep well 09:59 slef oh for a router that is stable