Time Nick Message 10:59 kados with YUI, you can make them all behave and look like one set (of course the new page would have to be set up to look the same, etc.) 10:58 kados one of them is a link to another page 10:58 kados three of them have pre-loaded content 10:58 kados you might have 4 tabs on a detail page 10:58 kados so take tabs for instance 10:58 kados something else that's cool about YUI is you can have different behaviors for different elements of the same class 10:58 kados yea 10:56 owen Much like we did in the OPAC 10:55 kados whereas 'Fines' and 'Reserves' are views 10:55 kados so 'change password' or 'delete' is an action 10:55 owen that sounds interesting 10:54 kados I was also mentally experimenting with the idea of 'action' vs 'view' 10:54 kados and each module presumably has its own set of navigation elements 10:54 kados and vice versa 10:54 kados in NPL templates that aren't in default or katipo 10:53 kados well for instance, there are global navigation elements 10:53 kados (probably in the opac too, but I was looking at the intranet) 10:53 owen What do you mean? 10:53 kados in the intranet 10:53 kados as I played around it struck me that we're really not that organized about what types of data elements we have 10:52 owen yeah, we talked briefly about that one on Saturday 10:52 kados it's so simple to use and works so well 10:52 kados actually, of them, I think Grids is probably the one we want to start with 10:50 kados Grids 10:49 kados can't remember what it's called :-) 10:49 kados there's a general layout one 10:48 kados and ... 10:48 kados TabView 10:48 kados Menu 10:48 kados DataTable 10:48 kados Button 10:48 kados I played with the following components: 10:48 owen Tell me about what you tried with YUI 10:47 kados implementation shouldn't be too hard 10:47 kados I think the hardest thing about the design for 3.0 is gonna be the design part 10:46 kados it's actually pretty simple to use 10:46 kados so I spent a few hours over the weekend on YUI 10:45 owen Hi kados 10:45 kados morning owen 09:09 hdl hi kados 09:07 kados morning #koha 05:27 toins chris, good ! 05:23 chris how are things? 05:23 toins hello chris 05:22 chris hi toins 05:17 toins hello world 15:55 kados and it's early morning in NZ 15:55 kados 15:00 in fact 15:53 mn so its more like noon there 15:52 kados ohio in fact :-) 15:52 kados and btw, I'm based on our US office 15:52 kados no prob 15:51 mn well thanks a lot for answering my nasty questions! It should be quite late now in nz! Thanks a lot and a nice week! 15:43 mn well for our needs everthing else would be overkill. Althogh backup and the like are going to be a problem 15:42 kados yep, if you want to 15:41 mn yes but i can install mysql+httpd+perl+firefox on the same machine, right? 15:40 kados well, all of Koha is web based 15:39 mn if your self-checkout module only works with an online-server it is unusable to me anyway 15:34 mn cool 15:34 kados yep 15:34 mn so i can use any barcodereader? Even one with RS232? 15:33 kados there is auto-focus built in 15:33 mn So you have to place the cursor in the right field? 15:32 kados and a barcode reader is just a keyboard to the computer 15:32 kados koha is web based 15:32 mn well i asume that the barcodereader connets via usb. And then? There has to be some part which brings this into the perl-application that is koha 15:30 kados not sure I understand your question 15:30 kados ? 15:29 mn yeah i mean in terms of devicedrivers 15:29 kados barcode standards are international 15:28 kados yep 15:27 mn i didn't know that... And will i find compatible barcodereaders in europe? 15:27 kados or you can just buy some pre-printed ones pretty cheaply too 15:26 kados there are plenty of websites that let you do that for free 15:26 kados printing barcodes is pretty easy 15:26 kados a previous version could print for both, but that feature isn't currently maintained 15:26 mn but not for the patrons? 15:25 kados yep 15:25 mn and koha can print barcodes for the books? 15:23 mn i see ... 15:21 kados we may eventually contribute it if we find sponsorship for the project 15:21 kados #3 is not in standard koha, it's only available on LibLime's hosted platform 15:20 kados 3. patrons to use a unique identifier (usually barcode) to check out books to themselves (using another uniquie identifer for the book) 15:20 kados liblime has a separate interface that allows: 15:20 kados 2. a staff interface for managing patrons, checking out items, adding books to the collection, etc. 15:20 kados 1. public interface for searching, placing reserves, checking account information 15:19 kados the koha you download from koha.org has two interfaces: 15:14 mn so barcodes for the books but not for the users. And your system is for users? 15:12 kados that's unique 15:12 kados or at least some identifier in place of a barcode 15:12 kados you need barcodes to check something out 15:11 mn how do i checkout something without barcodes. Isn't this going to be error-prone? 15:11 mn why could that be? 15:10 kados probably not on a sunday though :-) 15:10 kados if you want a system up and running immediately, some of the companies offering hosted packages can get your system installed in a few hours 15:09 mn presumably ubuntu. cli proficient. mysql too. but it is always a pain for me to maintain apache 15:09 kados but if you're also learning all of that stuff, it could take a while 15:09 kados if so, it should only take a day or two at the most 15:08 kados understand apache, mysql, etc.? 15:08 kados do you have basic command-line skils? 15:08 kados install and maintain yourself? 15:08 kados are you going to run on linux? debian? 15:07 kados hard to say 15:07 mn great, thank you. How long do you think will it take me to set it up and enter the books? 15:06 kados http://koha.org/support/ 15:06 kados and there are companies that offer inexpensive support as well 15:06 kados there are plenty of free support options, including this IRC channel and the mailing list 15:05 kados of Koha, if you want to experiment 15:05 kados http://liblime.com/demos 15:05 kados here are some demos: 15:05 kados anyway ... 15:04 kados yea, was a bit of fun I had a few years back :-) 15:04 mn really? sounds cool 15:04 kados you can run koha on a PDA :-) (I've done it :-)) 15:03 mn it will run on a celeron with 98mb ram 15:03 kados right 15:03 mn i was inspired by our city library though but they use something comercial 15:02 mn no not public 15:01 kados public library? 15:01 mn well i'm not someone to sponsor something. I'm on a strict (read no) budget myself. I do a ~5000 books private lib for around 150 patrons 15:00 kados it was developed for one client on a strict budget 14:59 kados but we haven't had enough sponsorship for it to afford that thusfar 14:59 kados it will probably be wrapped into a future version of the public release 14:59 mn where is the hook? 14:59 mn exactly what i was thinking about 14:59 kados then clicks on 'complete transaction' 14:58 kados so patron scans their barcode, then the barcodes of the items they are checking out 14:58 kados and it uses barcodes 14:58 kados mn: LibLime has a separate self-service self checkout module for Koha that's not yet been contributed 14:58 mn hi 14:57 kados hi mn 14:57 mn i'd like to have the whole circulation as a self-service-station with a barcodereader 14:55 mn especially concerning barcodes 13:20 mn i'd like to know some things about koha before trying it 13:19 dewey salut, mn 13:19 mn hello