Time Nick Message 18:54 owen You too 18:54 kados have a good weekend 18:54 kados will do 18:54 owen Time for me to head out. Talk to me again about this stuff next week if you get time 18:50 kados and a few js libraries 18:50 kados it's basically just a bunch of divs with some classes 18:50 kados well the layouts are amazingly simple to create 18:49 owen :) How so? 18:46 kados so this actually is starting to make sense 18:44 kados http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/examples/grids/example_doc3.html 18:44 kados basically this I guess: 18:44 owen Yeah, that's what we've got with the OPAC now--a fixed left column. 18:43 kados yea, and the fact that unless you increase the text size the left-hand bar is always the same size 18:42 owen Are you thinking of the minimum width setting on the central content area? 18:41 kados with what NPL's intranet does 18:41 kados compare the resizing behavior when you make your browser narrow 18:41 kados http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/grids/ 18:41 kados here's an example 18:40 kados yea 18:40 owen can -> can't 18:40 owen Sites with fixed designs wich lots of text content often bother me because I can re-size the text and still get a comfortable layout 18:40 kados the parts that I usually find work well fixed are things like sidebars 18:40 kados yea 18:40 owen Koha is a special beast since it's not strictly a "reading" kind of site, so there is that. 18:39 owen I'd love to see examples of where you think a fixed design is working better than a fluid one. 18:38 kados though I have to say, I'm warming up to fixed width designs :-) 18:38 kados yea 18:38 owen Last time I checked out the YUI CSS layouts they were fixed-width only. Looks like there's a little more flexibility now 18:33 kados I'm guessing 18:33 kados we could probably pick three or four layout designs to cover the whole intrnaet 18:32 kados maybe we should start with some layout ideas 18:32 kados http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/grids/builder/ 18:31 owen I think you have to be careful with navigation like that not to reduce the 'target zone' for clicks. 18:26 owen I'm not opposed to the idea of having javascript-driven expanding menus, but I'm not personally a fan of the folder file metaphor for navigation 18:17 kados owen: what do you think about the idea of having a folder->file view for the sidebar in the intranet? 18:12 owen That doesn't sound good. 18:10 kados looking at the source, it's interesting, because there's nothing particularly sematically correct about it :-) 18:06 kados as well 18:06 kados like the feed viewer 2 18:06 kados and the back button works, that's what amazes me 18:03 kados we'd own with some of these features :-) 18:03 kados talk about web 2.0 18:03 owen Yeah, there's a lot of neat stuff there. 18:02 kados ohhh, the Layouts one is nice too 18:00 kados combines various types of tabs into one 18:00 kados check out the slick TabPanel example 17:58 kados I bet the librarians would go nuts for that 17:58 kados I love that you can hide the sidebar 17:58 kados that's a great example of well designed UI, plus it's docs on YUI at the same time :-) 17:57 kados http://www.yui-ext.com/deploy/yui-ext/docs/ 17:57 owen Yeah, I'm still here. In and out. 17:49 kados owen: back? :-) 12:27 kados morning owen