Time Nick Message 05:48 chris hi js 05:48 js hi chris 05:48 js lol 05:44 chris so i dont mind the sun :) 05:44 chris yes but we did get to see france playing rugby 05:44 btoumi too much sun? 05:43 chris doing very good thanks, a little sunburnt though 05:42 btoumi ? 05:42 btoumi hi chris how are u today 05:41 chris hi bruno 05:25 btoumi hi all 20:15 sean68rs nice...so they won't be completely shocked w/ a new environment 20:14 rch we've been backporting a good deal of the intranet stuff to the 2.2 branch 20:14 sean68rs good deal. I have staff testing 2.2.7 but we'd probably end up w/ ZOOM 20:13 rch (and that's a big difference) 20:13 rch the biggest difference in in search functionality 20:13 rch hi sean68rs - there are some new features, and bugfixes, but they are very similar. 20:03 sean68rs Im curious....is the intranet/staff interface much different in ZOOM than 2.2.7? Not style-wise, but functionally 19:47 sean68rs will do. thanks! 19:47 mason if it doesnt work, try winding it up to '999999999' ... 19:46 sean68rs and our Koha has been online for all of about 2 hours....I'm pretty new to this stuff :P 19:46 sean68rs I have a cataloger who keeps complaining of timeouts...there wouldn't happen to be another setting somewhere? 19:45 mason hmm, i _think_ so 19:43 sean68rs wold anyone happen to know if settings the timeout to 0 in sys preferences > admin will turn the timeout completely off? 19:40 mason heya sean 19:38 sean68rs howdy 18:01 sean68rs hi again all. does the staff interface in ZOOM vary greatly compared to 2.2.7? 16:53 sean68rs quick note kados: we're up and running! thanks again for the help to all 15:53 Johnb Chris: Thanks. 15:53 sean68rs hey, thanks guys. I need to run...but I'll be seeing you. 15:53 kados hehe 15:52 chris bbiab 15:52 chris ok, now ive distracted everyone with photos, my job is done, im going to have a shower :-) 15:47 sean68rs oh, duh! 15:47 kados sean68rs: lord of the rings creature 15:46 sean68rs what is nazgul? 15:45 chris http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery2/v/2003/rotk/dsc00600.jpg.html 15:45 chris gotta watch out for these guys in nz 15:45 chris theres an nz one for ya 15:45 chris johnb: http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery2/v/2003/sounds/dsc00406.jpg.html 15:44 sean68rs thanks kados 15:43 chris ahh kados beat me too it 15:43 kados sean68rs: http://beta.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl4lib/2006/05/msg2369.html 15:42 chris 2 secs ill look 15:42 chris i forget the name of the good parser 15:41 Johnb Chris: Oh....would explain alot. 15:40 sean68rs hey now :P there are tons of sheep to the valley just east of us. and elk. weird combination 15:40 chris (that one is of oregon John ... dunno how many sheep there :)) 15:39 Johnb Chris: Just looked at the pictures. thought I would see more sheep! 15:39 chris you just want to cpan a non broken one on 15:39 sean68rs and I know I just read the fix somewhere....and I'm being lazy about it 15:39 chris ahh 15:39 sean68rs hey what file do I edit to set a different parser? I'm getting Your default XML parser (XML::SAX::PurePerl) is broken. 15:38 kados goonies++ 15:37 sean68rs yeah! 15:37 chris where the goonies come from :) 15:37 sean68rs astoria is great...love that bridge 15:37 chris i have a friend who lives here now, but is from astoria 15:36 sean68rs yep, Chris...that's us :) 15:36 kados nice view 15:36 kados esp after having visited 15:36 sean68rs I *know* more staff would be on board for that kind of excursion. 15:36 chris http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery2/v/2004/usa2004/album29/album31/DSC01325.jpg.html 15:35 kados I must say, I'm totally sold on this NZ thing :-) 15:35 kados hehe 15:35 sean68rs nah...I vote for first and 2nd being in NZ 15:35 chris i vote for second training camp being there :-) 15:34 kados sean68rs: chris is a real kiwi :-) 15:34 sean68rs cool, Chris! 15:34 chris ive been there 15:34 chris coos county 15:34 kados hi chris 15:34 kados hehe 15:34 chris morning 15:33 sean68rs their presentation is nice...very clean. I like it 15:33 kados yea, most systems can't handle the search, it's too proc intensive 15:33 sean68rs our drops "the" and "it" from the query...and nothing we can do about it 15:32 sean68rs hands down puts ours to shame...nice job! 15:32 kados course, I wrote it, so I'm biased ;-) 15:32 kados I don't know of another system that can relavance rank that well 15:31 kados the search on 'the' usually wows people :-) 15:31 kados yep 15:31 sean68rs nice. We could drop our subscriptions for image services 15:31 kados same with the images 15:30 kados as part of their web services program 15:30 kados the descriptions and reviews come from amazon and are free 15:30 kados yep :-) 15:30 sean68rs and a tabbed interface that actually works :P 15:30 kados it's opensearch compliant too 15:29 kados sean68rs: on the detail pages you can download in MODS, DC, MARCXML, MARC (utf8), MARC (marc8) 15:29 sean68rs whoa...I missed the RSS. very cool! it's fast, too 15:29 kados sean68rs: check out the native RSS feeds of every search 15:29 kados sean68rs: do a search on 'it' or 'the' ... and compare that to your current system 15:28 kados sean68rs: some stuff to show: 15:28 sean68rs I need to show some colleagues the Nelsonville system....it's great 15:28 kados that'd be a very worthwhile investment 15:27 sean68rs what I'd like to see done is invest our current maintenance budget into open-source devel. the rewards are so much greater... 15:26 kados and there's always the option of sponsoring it if you have the resources 15:26 cm yep, the beauty of open source. :) 15:26 kados what's really cool is when you make a suggestion or request on the dev list, and someone just does it ;-) 15:25 kados welcome to the Koha community :-) 15:25 sean68rs we're small time compared to some of our commercial vendor's university customers....support just doesn't exist for the most part 15:25 kados hehe 15:25 sean68rs I've received more support in the last 20 mins than I have in the last 5 years...it's quite refreshing 15:24 kados sean68rs: thx for the feedback ;-) 15:24 kados ok, docs updated 15:23 kados np 15:22 sean68rs and thanks for the docs, BTW. I'd be flailing otherwise 15:21 kados I'll update the docs 15:21 sean68rs that's good news...thanks! 15:21 kados Net::Z3950 is an older version that you don't need to worry about 15:20 kados wait a sec ... so Net::Z3950::ZOOM installed without a hitch, and that's all you need 15:19 sean68rs that's the only perl module left...everything else went smooth 15:17 kados cool 15:16 sean68rs its on the way 15:15 kados cool 15:15 kados http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel 15:14 sean68rs done! 15:14 kados sean68rs: and might wanna join the list before that so it doesn't get caught by the spam filter 15:14 sean68rs will do...will be coming from spark@cclsd.org 15:14 kados sean68rs: can you paste the whole output into an email and send to koha-devel@nongnu.org 15:14 sean68rs yeah, ZOOM went in without a hitch 15:13 kados interesting, so Net::Z3950 is failing, but ZOOM is installing? that's strange 15:13 Johnb tnb: still working on fines, should be up around the first of March 15:12 kados how about right above that 15:12 sean68rs make had returned bad status, install seems impossible 15:12 sean68rs Running make install 15:12 sean68rs Can't test without successful make 15:12 sean68rs Running make test 15:12 sean68rs make: *** [yazwrap/libyazwrap.a] Error 2 15:12 sean68rs after using CPAN to Net::Z3950::ZOOM (which installed ok) 15:12 kados any other messages? 15:12 kados hmmm 15:11 sean68rs MIRK/Net-Z3950-0.51.tar.gz : make NO 15:11 sean68rs Failed during this command: 15:11 kados try the cpan command 15:11 sean68rs yeah, libyaz-devel and yaz docs both installed ok 15:10 kados apt-get libyaz-devel 15:10 tnb Johnb: nice :) You got a go-live firmed up? 15:10 kados ahh, right 15:10 rch sean68rs: methinks you need libyaz-devel ? 15:10 sean68rs will do... 15:10 kados try that one ^ 15:10 kados cpan Net::Z3950::ZOOM 15:10 kados so you're getting stuck with Net::Z3950? 15:09 kados ahh, ok 15:09 sean68rs sources.list is edited, ran the commands to install libyaz and yazdocs, all went ok 15:08 kados deb-src http://ftp.indexdata.dk/debian indexdata/sarge released 15:08 kados deb http://ftp.indexdata.dk/debian indexdata/sarge released 15:08 kados sean68rs: and add: 15:08 kados sean68rs: you'll need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list 15:08 sean68rs my wife is pining for a trip to NZ...sounds like I could kill 2 birds - one stone 15:08 kados sean68rs: you probably need the latest version of yaz installed 15:08 kados sean68rs: so that's yaz 15:07 cm yep. 15:07 kados cm: that's a quorum then :-) 15:07 kados cm: hehe, cool 15:07 kados hmmm 15:07 sean68rs make: *** [yazwrap/libyazwrap.a] Error 2 15:07 cm kados, I think a training camp in NZ is a splendid idea. ;) 15:07 cm hey. 15:07 sean68rs http://www.kohadocs.org/Installing_Koha_on_Debian_sarge.html 15:07 Johnb Sean if you want to see our rendention of Koha check out catalog.ccfls.org 15:07 kados hey cm 15:07 kados which docs you looking at? 15:06 kados good question 15:06 sean68rs the z3950 perl module issue raised in the docs...r.e. kernel 2.2 vs. 2.4 = anything there to know regarding kernel 2.6? Its giving me fits 15:06 kados sweet 15:05 Johnb You can count me and my gand in! 15:05 sean68rs now THAT is one that I would need to attend! 15:05 kados Johnb: we're discussing whether to hold a training camp down here :-) 15:04 kados Johnb: that I am ... and it's fine :-) 15:04 sean68rs hi John! Sean here, Coos County Libraries = Oregon US 15:04 Johnb Hi Kados you still in Kiwi land 15:04 kados they even rolled their own intranet template 15:04 kados John Brice from Crawford County Federated Library System 15:04 kados Johnb is from CCFLS, they've done a ton of customization on their system 15:04 sean68rs I really, really hate it 15:03 sean68rs that's great...we'd love to have paid support on an as-needed basis. Our current system has us sandboxed...we can't do much but edit HTML 15:03 kados yep, we can relinquish control at whatever level you're comfortable with :-) 15:02 kados all of the Koha/Zebra systems (what LibLime is branding as Koha ZOOM) are turnkey at the moment 15:02 sean68rs in such a system would we have system-level access for customization, fixes, tweaks, etc? 15:01 kados yea, those are 15:01 kados 9 library consortium 15:01 kados Crawford County Federated Library System in PA 15:01 sean68rs are the majority what are known as "turnkey"? (nelsonville has me drooling, seriously) 15:01 kados there's Nelsonville Public which I just showed off 15:01 kados Barberton Public Library in a couple months 15:01 kados Stow Munroe Falls in Stow Ohio should go live this month 15:00 kados I can rattle off a few 15:00 kados as far as US libraries 15:00 sean68rs tell me about it :) 15:00 kados so it tends to take a bit longer cuz we have to do that in our spare time :-) 15:00 kados and it's hard to find library sponsorship for that componet :-) 14:59 kados install, maintain, etc. 14:59 kados so it's very important that it not only be solid technically, but also easy to use 14:59 kados when we do a release, we want it to make a big splash 14:59 sean68rs cool...I'm talking to the main dude here :) 14:58 kados I head up technology 14:58 kados yea, randy's our sales manager 14:58 kados ahh, cool 14:58 sean68rs I'm awaiting word from Randy Schultz regarding a demo...being a LibLime-er, I'm sure you're acquainted 14:57 kados no timeline yet 14:57 sean68rs any timeframe on general release? 14:57 kados I should mention that I work for LibLime 14:57 kados supports multiple record formats, etc. 14:57 kados native SRW/SRU 14:57 kados native Z39.50 (in fact, the OPAC is just a Z39.50 client) 14:56 sean68rs nice! 14:56 kados and it's all standards-based 14:56 kados scales to tens of millions of records and can support dozends of libraries 14:56 sean68rs amazing....can't wait to try it out! 14:55 kados it's brand new 14:55 kados yea, that's the new zebra-based system 14:55 sean68rs wow! that is slick. we're running Innovative...and it looks archaic compared to nelsonville 14:54 sean68rs taking a look.... 14:54 kados http://search.athenscounty.lib.oh.us 14:54 kados have you seen Nelsonville's KOha system, based on that? 14:53 sean68rs that's great to know...thank you 14:53 kados and installing that's pretty tough 14:53 kados you'll need the new Zebra-based Koha that's still in CVS 14:53 sean68rs 2.2.7 -> gotcha 14:53 kados Koha 2.2.7 probably will be fine for playing around with, but won't be suitable for your consortium 14:53 sean68rs question the powers-that-be are gonna ask: how many US libraries are running Koha (approx, of course) 14:52 kados cool 14:52 sean68rs nice. working through the perl deps this morning...all's ok so far :) 14:52 kados I need to update those docs 14:52 kados yea, that'll be fine 14:51 sean68rs had a question regarding the koha docs (installation)...the docs ref kernel 2.4, I'm attempting an install using 2.6 netinst 14:49 sean68rs 9 public libs, with 3 smaller school district libraries and one community college on top of that 14:49 kados so how many libraries in your consortium? 14:48 kados hi :-) 14:47 sean68rs hi Kados! 14:42 kados hi sean68rs 14:33 sean68rs hi all...prospective koha consortium here