Time  Nick   Message
19:22 waylon hiya all.
19:22 waylon Chris, you awake?
19:30 tnb    chris: ?
19:38 rch    chris: you're a popular guy :)
19:41 tnb    ha!
19:41 tnb    hi rch
19:42 tnb    i'm trying to figure out what we know about the south american koha users
19:42 tnb    are their developers actively involved with the rest of the community?
19:42 tnb    do you know anything about that?  ;)
19:51 rch    i think some brazilian developer(s) branched around 2.0 and have their own version ?
19:51 rch    don't know any details.
19:51 waylon btw.... just love telling people..... i managed to get koha working on a totally free webhost, with no support from them. no virtual host editing... nothing.
19:53 rch    waylon: impressive :)
19:53 waylon once i worked out what needed changing... the changes took 30 seconds, due to find and xarg.
19:55 waylon creating the database, and importing my mysql data took abit of time, due to my mysqldump being 5 mb.. and them only allowing a 2mb dump file at once.... that and my database wasn't set up quite right.... so i used koha.mysql to set up,, and got all the insert lines from my dump, for data.
19:55 waylon no shell access.. used phpmysql thing.....
19:56 rch    waylon: feel free to write up a mini-howto for inclusion on kohadocs if it'd be useful for others :)
19:57 waylon will do. currently, writing a Koha V.s. Access IT Library comparison.
19:58 waylon is there a list of libaries using Koha somewhere?
19:59 rch    http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=kohausers
20:01 waylon know anything about Access IT Library software?
20:04 rch    no... you're using it currently?
20:04 waylon Theosophical Society of New Zealand are proposing to use it, instead of Koha.
20:13 rch    you'll be recommending Koha, I hope?  :)
20:13 waylon Im a Koha nut. Its a religion. Opensource vs. The box of propietary software.
20:13 tnb    waylon: there is a much more comprehensive list of Koha users at http://www.librarytechnology.org/lwc-search-advanced.pl?SID=20070121850250244&UID=&auth=&code=lwc
20:14 tnb    it is a long url, i know ;)
20:14 tnb    but it is a U.S. technology guide and if you search under "current automation" Koha
20:14 waylon tnb: umm.... i think the previous link is convincing enough.
20:14 tnb    you can pull a more comprehensive list
20:14 waylon think theres over a hunderd libraries eh?
20:14 tnb    ok, then :)  never mind :)
20:15 tnb    oh, yeah, and we are still finding them and adding them to the list
20:15 tnb    soon, we will have a "Koha World Map" in place that will be more comprehensive than the wiki listing
20:19 waylon 126 libraries... cool.
20:20 waylon does it count branches of a library as one library?
20:22 waylon nope... it counts branches as a nother item.
20:22 tnb    some branches are listed separately, others are not yet.  But yes, it will count the branches separately if they are listed
20:23 waylon do we have a developers list somewhere?
20:25 tnb    the developers mailing list is a good place to start: http://koha.org/support/free.html
20:26 tnb    also many of those contacts listed on the users wiki link
20:26 tnb    that rch posted are regular developers
20:27 waylon could you highlight which ones are developers, and which ones are just users?
20:27 tnb    I'm not a programmer myself ;) so there could be a secret list somewhere i don't know about ;)
20:27 tnb    I think someone (like rch if he is still around or chris) would be better equipped to answer that
20:30 waylon hiya paul!
20:30 tnb    paul: hi :)
20:30 tnb    i have a quick question for you :)
20:31 waylon 624 seconds to be exact.
20:31 tnb    Was wondering what you know about the guys who implemented the South American Koha installationsn
20:31 tnb    oh, yeah?  He's been having problems tonight huh?
20:31 tnb    or, whatever time of the day it is there :)
20:35 waylon hes been having problems the last couple of days.. sad really. hes really good!
20:40 waylon noticed.... koha has alot of developers, any of which canbe contacted for advice. Access IT Library software, on the other hand, has one contact phone number per country.
20:53 tnb    waylon :)  Yes, Koha has a strong community
02:10 manu   hello
02:10 dewey  niihau, manu
02:10 manu   hello
02:10 manu   how do u make
02:11 manu   Koha windows Virgin not stand Alown
02:12 manu   so i can make the intranet so i can use outside the Library
02:13 manu   hello is anyone here
02:15 manu   ello
02:16 manu   hello
02:16 dewey  hola, manu
02:16 manu   can i have some help
02:16 manu   please
06:25 chris  hi bruno
06:32 Lea    goodmorning #koha
06:37 btoumi hi all
07:16 chris  hi lea and bruno
07:17 Lea    hi
07:17 dewey  privet, Lea
07:18 chris  have we talked before lea?
07:18 Lea    yes :)
07:18 chris  ahh cool, (bad memory :))
07:18 Lea    i was moaning about how i, a sysadmin, must know in detail about the marc21 format and how i had to fix vendors poorly exported data :D
07:19 chris  ahhh right, that rings a bell
07:19 Lea    Looks like we may indeed be going with Koha, although the senior librarian wants to try evergreen too
07:19 Lea    my money is on Koha ;)
07:19 chris  cool
07:19 chris  evergreen is nice, but is designed for seriously huge libraries
07:20 Lea    Looks like there may be a couple of features that aren't in koha tho
07:20 Lea    stupid little things
07:20 chris  be a good opportunity to get them in, thats how Koha grows, people want things that arent there
07:21 Lea    yes, thing is, I want any effort to be co-ordinated as I dont want to tread on people's toes nor write something without fitting in to the long-term plan.
07:21 chris  sounds good to me
07:22 Lea    also, if I'm going to have to write perl again (argh!!!!), then I need to know the effort is going to make a difference
07:22 chris  its pretty impossible to tread on our toes :) we are easygoing, but yes it makes sense to not duplicate effort
07:23 Lea    the plugins is a good idea, shame i wont be able to hook in python mods :(
07:24 chris  why not?
07:24 chris  i have some ruby code that plays nice with koha
07:25 Lea    ooh. How does the plugin stuff work?
07:25 chris  its quite easy for koha 3
07:25 Lea    svn?
07:25 chris  and the dev_week koha
07:25 chris  the contribs site?
07:26 Lea    no i mean, is Koha 3 right now the same as koha svn
07:26 chris  rel_3 yep (cvs, not svn yet until savannah supports svn)
07:27 Lea    ie, is it worth me installing svn rather than 2.2.7
07:27 chris  not sure how hard that would be, but you could check out the dev_week cvs branch
07:27 chris  it works with zebra
07:27 Lea    ok. Are you saying that extending 2.2.7 with python will be very hard but not with the cvs version?
07:28 chris  and is production in a couple of libraries, what will become 3.0 is in production in bruno's library
07:28 Lea    ah ok, it's that stable? Excellent
07:28 chris  what makes it easier
07:28 chris  is zebra
07:29 chris  so koha use Net::Zoom
07:29 chris  you could you ruby_zoom
07:29 Lea    ah, i see, is zebra like a backend that koha sits on, so plugins talk to zebra rather than koha?
07:29 chris  or if there is python zoom (z3950) module
07:29 chris  thats right
07:30 Lea    excellent! But what about things like holidays, general prefs, extending the UI?
07:30 Lea    that doesn't go through zebra right?
07:30 chris  nope
07:30 chris  but any language that can talk to a rdbms
07:30 chris  can do that :)
07:30 chris  its all in mysql (or whatever db)
07:31 Lea    right, ok, I appologise for the noob questions, but am I right in thinking that the perl code is just front end stuff, hooking in to mysql to save prefs and hooking into zebra for searches? Perl is just a presentation layer?
07:32 chris  well it does a bunch of logic too, but most of that logic is formulating sql queries and/or (from 2.4 onwards) zebra calls
07:32 chris  and then handling the results
07:32 Lea    of course.
07:32 Lea    so how do the plugins fit in?
07:33 chris  the only plugins we have now, are for use in the MARC editor
07:33 chris  i thought you were talking about http://contribs.koha.org/
07:33 Lea    i mean, how (technically) do they fit in?
07:34 Lea    yeah, i am :)
07:34 chris  however you want them to
07:34 chris  ie, contribs is for user contributed code
07:34 chris  it can interface with Koha in whatever way the author sees fit
07:35 chris  so ull see there, there is some perl, some php
07:35 chris  a whooping pile of javascript
07:35 chris  (the libx toolbar down the bottom(
07:35 Lea    ok, so these extensions are simply isolated bits of code that somehow get called from Koha?
07:36 Lea    it's that hooking in that eludes me
07:36 chris  <a href="some bit of code"> :)
07:37 chris  its just a big web site really
07:37 chris  (Koha that is)
07:37 Lea    right ok, so scripts would be run via http.
07:37 chris  yep
07:37 Lea    so, you'd need mod_<yourlang> installed
07:37 chris  hmm not if you ran them as a cgi
07:38 Lea    weird, I'd never even thought of that. mod_* must have benefits. Speed?
07:38 chris  yep, persistance and speed
07:39 chris  ie you can use persistent database caching etc
07:39 Lea    hmm.. forking an interpreter can't be nice :)
07:39 chris  but you can just do it the old fashioned way
07:39 chris  as cgi
07:39 Lea    ok, sounds good
07:39 chris  the other thing people might want to write
07:40 chris  is a nicer script (more exstensible) for calculating overdues/fines
07:40 Lea    presumably, in perl, can you call the cgi and capture the output, so you can format the results inside the webpage, rather than have the script generate the html?
07:40 chris  yeah
07:40 Lea    good :)
07:40 chris  we use HTML::Template
07:41 Lea    ok. Something I need to write is an easy way to add random closed days so they dont affect lates
07:41 chris  ahh been done :)
07:41 Lea    really?
07:41 Lea    damnit, where can i get this info? :)
07:41 chris  yep, mason is in the process of committing it to rel_2_2
07:42 chris  but its in rel_3_0
07:42 chris  2 secs
07:42 Lea    ok, cool! :) I'm waiting for the senior librarian to send me a report on what appears to be missing from Koha or what needs changing, so once i get that i can get to work.
07:43 Lea    afk
07:44 chris  ok, i have to go to bed nearly midnight here
07:45 chris  ill catch ya later
07:47 Lea    whoah!
07:47 Lea    ok, thanks Chris! :)
07:54 waylon hello all!
08:13 Lea    hi!
08:13 waylon ah.. a new developer?
08:13 Lea    am i the only one who gets apache hassles? :(
08:14 waylon whatsyour hassles?
08:14 Lea    ho waylon, er... kinda. Just testing the system right now but I'll be coding some stuff for sure if we go for it
08:14 Lea    *hi :/
08:14 Lea    hassles is that apache doesn't seem to like the /cgi-bin/koha script alias
08:15 waylon got the alias module loaded?
08:16 Lea    good point ;) not only is it not loaded, doesn't look like it's installed!
08:17 Lea    hey! It's before my 4th coffee, what do you expect? ;)
08:17 Lea    I'd love if koha used the same perl module that webmin did
08:18 waylon Had to deal with a free webhost who couldn't be bothered adding a few lines to httpd.conf.
08:18 Lea    heh
08:18 waylon did a find - xarg line to add use lib's, and had a real cgi-bin/koha directory... intranet works so far..
08:19 Lea    cool
08:19 waylon should be in the apache2/modules directory.
08:20 waylon never installed alias module under linux yet.
08:21 Lea    nope nothing. However, checking some apache2 tutorials (WRT ubuntu) don't mention installing mod_alias
08:22 waylon http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_alias.html
08:24 waylon http://webdesign.about.com/cs/apache/a/aainstallapache.htm
08:28 Lea    yes, mod_alias is compiled in on the ubuntu version, so it's not that... hm...
08:29 Lea    apache2 -l is my friend :)
08:30 waylon okay. im a fraid i gotta go to sleep. goodto have ya around, Lea.
08:31 Lea    take care
08:31 Lea    tthanks