Time  Nick       Message
10:59 Lea        although he thinks the default html/css is ..err.... "unique" ;)
10:59 Lea        guys, I'm getting great feedback from my boss about Koha :)
10:59 Lea        feels like it! :)
10:58 rch        Lea: morning!
10:57 Lea        er...afternoon even...
10:57 Lea        evening
10:55 paul       lol
10:52 owen       paul, that login/password doesn't work for me
10:47 paul       (searching potter is fine)
10:47 paul       owen : if you want to do some searches, i17.bureau.paulpoulain.com (test/test) is running, with a partial SANOP setup
10:42 paul       frenchies are, at least ;-)
10:42 owen       Hi paul
10:42 paul       hello owen.
10:41 owen       kados, rch, you guys awake?
05:20 dewey      what's up, js
05:20 js         hello
23:24 iceninesyd the 'contextual' db ... which is new to me
23:24 chris      yeah, most namely zebra
23:24 iceninesyd and 2.2 -> 3.0 implies a major bunch of changes
23:24 chris      to find out what is still left too
23:23 chris      yep
23:23 iceninesyd i presume the dev list is the place to offer to work on some of the outsnading issues lissted in the roadmap
23:23 chris      1.0 ->1.1 -> 1.2  1.2->1.3->2.0 (quite a lot of changes) 2.0->2.1->2.2
23:22 iceninesyd it looks like 1.2, then 2.2 and now 3.0
23:22 chris      good idea
23:22 iceninesyd perhpas I'll lurk on developers for awhile
23:22 iceninesyd okay .. i'm on the user's mailing list
23:22 iceninesyd ah yes, KohaRoadMap 3.0 ... i'll shutup now!
23:22 chris      id have a read of the developers list mailing archive
23:21 chris      not mine, but a lot of the french developers time
23:21 iceninesyd also: is 3.0 next? ... perhaps I should snoop around and read up on it :)
23:21 iceninesyd is release 3.0 occupying a lot of your time?
23:18 chris      yep
23:18 dewey      somebody said zebra was #1 for me
23:18 iceninesyd zebra?
23:18 chris      and the work with zebra
23:17 chris      you might want to look into the upcoming 3.0 release
23:17 iceninesyd (I want to kickstart my brain again!)
23:17 iceninesyd more than willing to pitch in and offer a hand, since I have the time and inclination these days
23:17 iceninesyd i'd love to know
23:17 iceninesyd but also, if there are any technical areas of KOHA that need work (maybe some DB analysis for example)
23:17 iceninesyd i am of course here to help irm with her current client
23:17 iceninesyd BTW: perl6 is on the horizon ... maybe some porting will be in the offing?
23:16 chris      a bit of both
23:16 iceninesyd is it very O-O written? or a more procedural apporach?
23:16 iceninesyd i havebn't loolked a the perl code yet
23:16 chris      nope
23:16 iceninesyd (java sux imho)
23:16 iceninesyd serously ... perhaps other languages like python?
23:15 iceninesyd hahahahahahahah!
23:15 iceninesyd any plans to port this thing to java ?
23:15 chris      yep
23:15 iceninesyd but once we get into data import then the fun begins
23:15 chris      excellent
23:15 iceninesyd (i've been FOSSing for years)
23:15 iceninesyd i don't think I'll have any trouble with the LAMP side of things
23:15 chris      that gives a good intro to using koha
23:15 iceninesyd will read the guide
23:14 chris      yeah, compsci degree
23:14 chris      i suggest you read the newbie guide on www.kohadocs.org
23:14 iceninesyd techy?
23:14 chris      nope
23:14 iceninesyd cc: do you have a library background?
23:14 iceninesyd well, the techie side will be easy but the librarian side is all new to me
23:13 iceninesyd methinks there will be a long learning curve in actually understanding all the ins and outs of koha
23:13 iceninesyd 3 months in wetspace is a bit much
23:13 chris      :-)
23:13 iceninesyd nice to be into cyber space again
23:13 iceninesyd just got back from 3 months on the road (iceland, irelkand, germany) and irma snapped me up
23:12 iceninesyd (my wierd abbrev for thankyou)
23:11 iceninesyd 10Q
23:11 iceninesyd will have a squizz
23:11 chris      are the places to look
23:11 chris      wiki.koha.org and www.kohadocs.org
23:11 iceninesyd ah ah
23:11 chris      not a recent one
23:11 iceninesyd is there a digram of the E-R for koha?
23:11 iceninesyd erd question
23:10 chris      :)
23:10 iceninesyd not that I epect you guys to answer that one :)
23:10 iceninesyd now to figure out how to get the wireless working on the mandriva laptop!
23:10 chris      etc
23:10 iceninesyd good good
23:10 chris      2.3.x unstable
23:10 chris      2.2.whatever = release
23:10 iceninesyd ah!
23:10 iceninesyd i.e. odds are beta evens are release
23:10 chris      the middle number is the one to watch
23:09 iceninesyd tell me, is 2.2.5 a beta? (a la linux numbering)
23:09 chris      cool
23:09 iceninesyd we'll try for 2.2.6
23:09 chris      and he is the 2.2.x release manager
23:09 iceninesyd excellent!
23:09 chris      paul poulain, uses mandriva
23:09 iceninesyd good
23:09 chris      nope it should be fine
23:09 iceninesyd NE idea if that causes troubles?
23:08 iceninesyd we'll be installing on a madriva system
23:08 iceninesyd although i know little of it!
23:08 iceninesyd i loike koha so far
23:08 chris      yep
23:08 chris      cool, ill be waiting for it
23:08 iceninesyd r u in NZ?
23:08 iceninesyd irma jus sent you an email
23:08 chris      heh yep
23:08 iceninesyd the famous cc ?
23:08 chris      cool, looks like its all working
23:08 iceninesyd is that chris cormack ?!??!?!
23:07 iceninesyd i am testing irc with irma
23:07 dewey      privet, chris
23:07 chris      hi
23:07 iceninesyd hello
20:30 thd        kados: are you there?
14:07 paul       you can notify by e-mail, snailmail (with some OOo document), or forget the notify iirc
14:06 paul       they have developped a feature to notify overdues, on a 3level basis.
14:06 toins      i don'tknow kados
14:06 kados      ok
14:06 paul       you should ask btoumi I think
14:06 paul       kados : I bet it's a sanop addition.
14:05 kados      toins: do you know the answer to rch's question?
14:00 toins      hehe
14:00 dewey      you are trying to commit on gna.org with svn since this morning.
14:00 toins      dewey, toins ?
13:59 dewey      kados: I forgot maybe
13:59 kados      dewey: forget maybe
13:59 dewey      maybe is listed as HEAD in my CVS Entry file.
13:59 kados      hdl: maybe?
13:57 rch        hey can anyone briefly explain the notifys table and "FU" ?
13:50 paul       (I think its because the 2nd one stayed at one of his friends/neighbour without permission)
13:50 kados      hehe
13:50 paul       (my wife being crying highly at one of my child atm...)
13:49 paul       nope
13:49 kados      paul: don't you have a small child for such things? ;-)
13:49 paul       would be interesting to add them 1 by 1, but would be quite long to enter.
13:49 kados      maybe easier to track that way?
13:48 paul       he will let the french column description & add an english one.
13:48 kados      can we add them to bugzilla?
13:48 paul       a column also contains who do what (HDL/PP/AF)
13:48 kados      k
13:48 paul       the "status" contains "Fait"=done when it's done.
13:48 paul       same for "difficulty" column.
13:48 paul       just to explain : there is a "priority" list : Haut=High Moyen=Medium Bas=Low
13:47 kados      woot
13:47 toins      roger....
13:47 paul       toins will translate in english the list & send it to you.
13:46 kados      toins: :-)
13:46 toins      i'm happy that synching is now finished...
13:46 kados      btw: rch has committed updatedatabase change
13:46 kados      (maybe just run it through google translate ... probably close enough to understand)
13:46 paul       37 lines
13:46 kados      sure, if it's not too much trouble to translate
13:45 paul       s/were/are/
13:45 paul       were you interested by a translated list of all improvements toins is working on?
13:45 kados      but we feel it's better to have all of us on the same codebase
13:45 paul       ok, I prefer this (for you)
13:44 kados      ( so some bugs are OK )
13:44 paul       kados = supercoder & rch = spidercoder ...
13:44 kados      (but they don't go live until Jan )
13:44 kados      so it will be a busy few weeks :-)
13:44 kados      of course ... :-)
13:44 paul       don't you have any clients to setup in the next days/weeks ?
13:43 kados      so dev_week is now deprecated :-)
13:43 kados      paul: all future zebra clients will be in rel_3_0
13:43 paul       really
13:43 toins      kados, great !
13:43 paul       great !!!
13:43 kados      paul: good news for rel_3_0 ... rch and I have decided to start working on it
13:43 paul       they are in french, so I won't transmit it to you...
13:42 kados      fun :-)
13:42 kados      hehe
13:42 paul       and remove the tables from koha.sql & updatedatabase for new libraries.
13:41 paul       yes. that's why I did not add them to updatedatabase. I don't know what's the best way to do this. it's probably manually for 2.2 libraries
13:41 kados      paul: (they might be needed for migration, eh?)
13:41 kados      paul: from updatedatabase?
13:40 kados      paul: what's the best way to remove those fields ?
13:40 Anarka     it would be better if it failed miserably but... it is starting to work
13:40 paul       Anarka: good luck
13:39 paul       Arnaka : good luck.
13:39 paul       and auth_subfield_table & auth_word too...
13:39 paul       & marc_subfield_table & marc_word as well.
13:38 paul       rch : yep.
13:38 Anarka     i just want to scream :P
13:38 Anarka     i'm not happy with the install of koha... the IT guy loves windows but doesn't want to install using the package, and doesnt want to use apache, so basically it's just copy paste of files after an error in hope it will work
13:37 rch        table definition, even
13:37 rch        shall we remove from tabledefitinit?
13:36 paul       nope
13:36 rch        paul: is marc_biblio still used for anything?
13:20 paul       yep, iirc
13:20 rch        paul: updatedabase: just add to %fielddefinitions ?
13:11 paul       cool... i'll investigate what it means & point the commit to sanop
13:10 kados      paul: we'll commit this immediately
13:09 kados      ok
13:09 paul       koha.sql being created from a dump of a working 3.0 install (when it will be stabilised)
13:08 rch        just column in items.
13:08 kados      just a new column
13:08 paul       updatedatabase, definetly
13:08 paul       new table ? or new column ?
13:08 kados      add to koha.sql? updatedatabase?
13:08 kados      paul: so we want to add this new table def to CVS ... what's the best approach?
13:07 paul       jan 3rd
13:07 paul       yep.
13:07 kados      SAN goes live in Jan right?
13:07 kados      paul: (right ... I understand)
13:07 rch        paul: 10 dec?
13:06 kados      paul: to the table
13:06 paul       but definetly nok for such modifs in december, 10th !!!
13:06 kados      paul: we have already made the modif
13:06 paul       so, ok for such modifs in a week (= 6 weeks to check it for SANOP)
13:06 kados      (one of our clients did something similar a few monts back :-))
13:06 paul       12 hours before a major demo.
13:06 kados      right
13:06 paul       ... apache could not restart anymore for some dependancy problem.
13:06 kados      hehe
13:05 paul       he updated, and ...
13:05 paul       btoumi wanted to do something harmless on the system for koha : installing webmin.
13:05 paul       the SANOP server went fine until yesterday 4PM.
13:05 paul       kados, let me give you an example :
13:05 paul       and if you code it for next week, we will have enough time to debug it.
13:05 kados      paul: it's only one column added to the items table ... it's harmless
13:04 kados      (we can just add some small code rather than re-write existing stuff)
13:04 paul       SANOP will start on jan, 3rd with rel_3_0, so such a DB modif has to be checked a lot.
13:04 kados      esp if we use the second way
13:04 paul       I prefer a week to a month, i'll explain why :
13:03 paul       wow...
13:03 kados      maybe a week or so at the most
13:03 kados      definitely not feb
13:03 paul       (/me thikn he know the answer)
13:03 paul       without kidding, do you need this really ASAP, or can it wait for, say, februrary ?
13:03 rch        :)
13:02 kados      it was, but we moved it to tomorrow ;-)
13:02 paul       lol
13:02 paul       i was afraid it could be yesterday...
13:02 rch        tomorrow :)
13:02 paul       what's the timeline for you ?
13:01 paul       - add a items.itemtype field, with default value being biblioitems.itemtype, and activated (& modified) by the library where needed. harder to code, but better for other libraries.
13:01 paul       - move itemtype to items level, for everybody. Probably easier to code, but harder to migrate existing libraries & too bad for libraries happy with itemtype at bilbio level
13:00 paul       we have 2 ways to do such thing :
13:00 rch        So simplest would be to add items.itype, and allow that field to override biblioitems.itemtype if exists ?
13:00 kados      paul: but they lost i when upgrading to Koha
13:00 kados      paul: I also discovered that NPL used to have this functiaonlity too
12:59 kados      paul: it's a requirement, unfortunately
12:59 rch        ummm..  needs, I guess :)
12:59 paul       is it "wishes" or "want" ?
12:58 paul       hehe... kados spoke of this previously...
12:58 rch        i.e. not just special issuing rule per item
12:58 rch        We have a client who wishes itemtypes at items level.
12:57 rch        paul: I have some other questions about where you are with rel_3_0
12:56 paul       fieldsets are useful, but i think they should not replace <div> & sometimes are useless
12:55 rch        yes, I think css is cleaner with divs.
12:54 paul       "we" make a heavy use of <fieldset> instead of <div> but i'm not sure it's a good thing.
12:54 paul       rch : a named div around every functionnal element => im' 100% OK for this, as it's what was planned.
12:54 rch        (div, even)
12:53 rch        paul: generally, I'd like to add a named dif around every functional element so it can be more easily css'ed
12:53 Lea        kados: I rewrote my mapper class yesterday and reduced my "cleaned" MARC data by 30%"
12:52 rch        which are both inside the masthead.
12:52 rch        paul: the opac nav is  a list element inside the hardcoded nav
12:52 Lea        ok, thanks
12:52 rch        paul: e.g. the auth form is inside a search div,
12:51 paul       rch : a sample of what you would like to do ?
12:51 kados      Lea: chris from katipo has done some of that in the past ... might be worth pinging him when he's on in a few hours
12:51 Lea        kados: what do you suggest? Working out the number of copies and adding some sort of marc tag?
12:51 rch        paul: I'd like to add many more divs, and pull some elements outside of others
12:51 kados      Lea: probably easier to do it pre-migration
12:50 Lea        is it easy to normalise the data afterwards?
12:50 kados      Lea: you could take a look at the find duplicate stuff in Biblio.pm
12:50 rch        paul: I am having some issues with customizablility in prog opac tmpl...
12:50 kados      Lea: that function is built into the cataloging interface, but not bulkmarcimport
12:50 Lea        oh no...
12:50 kados      Lea: it doesn't ...
12:50 Lea        does anyone know how bulkmarcimport recognises multiple copies of the same biblio? It should be by ISBN no?
12:49 kados      (changing the font fixed it)
12:49 kados      (I have seen cases where the font corrupted the character)
12:49 paul       yes & no...
12:48 kados      paul: or maybe just the font?
12:48 paul       (without the CSS)
12:48 kados      paul: so it's a problem with the translation script?
12:48 paul       I think i'll have to work on tmpl_process to find shortcuts & deal with them correctly
12:48 kados      rch: http://o18.bureau.paulpoulain.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl
12:48 paul       SRecherche is wrong too, should be Recherche.
12:48 kados      ahh
12:48 rch        toins: hi!
12:48 paul       but in french, it should just be prĂȘts !
12:47 paul       it's prĂȘt*u*es
12:47 paul       look at iss*u*es.
12:47 kados      ok
12:47 paul       i've 20 vhost : iXX and oXX, i for librarians & o for opac
12:47 kados      where is the problem?>
12:47 paul       o18...
12:47 paul       you can see there is a problem with shortcuts.
12:47 dewey      hmmm... opac is 2.2.5
12:47 kados      opac?
12:47 kados      cool
12:47 paul       with french 1st translation.
12:46 paul       http://i18.bureau.paulpoulain.com/cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl login test/test
12:46 rch        middle name - Corrado
12:46 paul       C = ??
12:46 toins      hi rch
12:46 rch        yes
12:46 kados      paul: yes :-)
12:46 paul       rch : Ryan ?? Higgins
12:46 Lea        hi all
12:46 kados      do you have an example with nice css?
12:46 rch        hi paul
12:45 paul       prog templates are very "useables"
12:45 kados      rch and I have been playing ith rel_3_0 (mostly rch)
12:45 kados      cool
12:45 paul       prog + css
12:45 kados      paul: do you have special templates? or do you use prog?
12:45 kados      great!
12:45 paul       they were very enthusiastic...
12:44 paul       this morning I was at SANOP showing Koha to the 100 users !
12:44 kados      ok ... great!
12:44 kados      maybe thats all chris meant
12:44 paul       I don't remember seing anything about installer (except package dep missing, and already updated on cvs)
12:43 kados      cool
12:43 paul       it's fixed, if I don't mind.
12:43 paul       hdl founded a new bug, on authorities when char encoding=utf8 & marcflavour=Unimarc.
12:43 kados      hehe, hi Anarka :-)
12:42 Anarka     yes please :)'
12:42 kados      chris mentioned installer probs? do you know about those?
12:42 kados      (one on koha-lobby just now)
12:42 kados      I continue to get requests about the z39.50 client
12:42 toins      hi kados
12:42 kados      hi :-)
12:42 paul       hello kados.
12:42 paul       yes.
12:41 kados      paul: you around?