Time Nick Message 10:59 Lea although he thinks the default html/css is ..err.... "unique" ;) 10:59 Lea guys, I'm getting great feedback from my boss about Koha :) 10:59 Lea feels like it! :) 10:58 rch Lea: morning! 10:57 Lea er...afternoon even... 10:57 Lea evening 10:55 paul lol 10:52 owen paul, that login/password doesn't work for me 10:47 paul (searching potter is fine) 10:47 paul owen : if you want to do some searches, i17.bureau.paulpoulain.com (test/test) is running, with a partial SANOP setup 10:42 paul frenchies are, at least ;-) 10:42 owen Hi paul 10:42 paul hello owen. 10:41 owen kados, rch, you guys awake? 05:20 dewey what's up, js 05:20 js hello 23:24 iceninesyd the 'contextual' db ... which is new to me 23:24 chris yeah, most namely zebra 23:24 iceninesyd and 2.2 -> 3.0 implies a major bunch of changes 23:24 chris to find out what is still left too 23:23 chris yep 23:23 iceninesyd i presume the dev list is the place to offer to work on some of the outsnading issues lissted in the roadmap 23:23 chris 1.0 ->1.1 -> 1.2 1.2->1.3->2.0 (quite a lot of changes) 2.0->2.1->2.2 23:22 iceninesyd it looks like 1.2, then 2.2 and now 3.0 23:22 chris good idea 23:22 iceninesyd perhpas I'll lurk on developers for awhile 23:22 iceninesyd okay .. i'm on the user's mailing list 23:22 iceninesyd ah yes, KohaRoadMap 3.0 ... i'll shutup now! 23:22 chris id have a read of the developers list mailing archive 23:21 chris not mine, but a lot of the french developers time 23:21 iceninesyd also: is 3.0 next? ... perhaps I should snoop around and read up on it :) 23:21 iceninesyd is release 3.0 occupying a lot of your time? 23:18 chris yep 23:18 dewey somebody said zebra was #1 for me 23:18 iceninesyd zebra? 23:18 chris and the work with zebra 23:17 chris you might want to look into the upcoming 3.0 release 23:17 iceninesyd (I want to kickstart my brain again!) 23:17 iceninesyd more than willing to pitch in and offer a hand, since I have the time and inclination these days 23:17 iceninesyd i'd love to know 23:17 iceninesyd but also, if there are any technical areas of KOHA that need work (maybe some DB analysis for example) 23:17 iceninesyd i am of course here to help irm with her current client 23:17 iceninesyd BTW: perl6 is on the horizon ... maybe some porting will be in the offing? 23:16 chris a bit of both 23:16 iceninesyd is it very O-O written? or a more procedural apporach? 23:16 iceninesyd i havebn't loolked a the perl code yet 23:16 chris nope 23:16 iceninesyd (java sux imho) 23:16 iceninesyd serously ... perhaps other languages like python? 23:15 iceninesyd hahahahahahahah! 23:15 iceninesyd any plans to port this thing to java ? 23:15 chris yep 23:15 iceninesyd but once we get into data import then the fun begins 23:15 chris excellent 23:15 iceninesyd (i've been FOSSing for years) 23:15 iceninesyd i don't think I'll have any trouble with the LAMP side of things 23:15 chris that gives a good intro to using koha 23:15 iceninesyd will read the guide 23:14 chris yeah, compsci degree 23:14 chris i suggest you read the newbie guide on www.kohadocs.org 23:14 iceninesyd techy? 23:14 chris nope 23:14 iceninesyd cc: do you have a library background? 23:14 iceninesyd well, the techie side will be easy but the librarian side is all new to me 23:13 iceninesyd methinks there will be a long learning curve in actually understanding all the ins and outs of koha 23:13 iceninesyd 3 months in wetspace is a bit much 23:13 chris :-) 23:13 iceninesyd nice to be into cyber space again 23:13 iceninesyd just got back from 3 months on the road (iceland, irelkand, germany) and irma snapped me up 23:12 iceninesyd (my wierd abbrev for thankyou) 23:11 iceninesyd 10Q 23:11 iceninesyd will have a squizz 23:11 chris are the places to look 23:11 chris wiki.koha.org and www.kohadocs.org 23:11 iceninesyd ah ah 23:11 chris not a recent one 23:11 iceninesyd is there a digram of the E-R for koha? 23:11 iceninesyd erd question 23:10 chris :) 23:10 iceninesyd not that I epect you guys to answer that one :) 23:10 iceninesyd now to figure out how to get the wireless working on the mandriva laptop! 23:10 chris etc 23:10 iceninesyd good good 23:10 chris 2.3.x unstable 23:10 chris 2.2.whatever = release 23:10 iceninesyd ah! 23:10 iceninesyd i.e. odds are beta evens are release 23:10 chris the middle number is the one to watch 23:09 iceninesyd tell me, is 2.2.5 a beta? (a la linux numbering) 23:09 chris cool 23:09 iceninesyd we'll try for 2.2.6 23:09 chris and he is the 2.2.x release manager 23:09 iceninesyd excellent! 23:09 chris paul poulain, uses mandriva 23:09 iceninesyd good 23:09 chris nope it should be fine 23:09 iceninesyd NE idea if that causes troubles? 23:08 iceninesyd we'll be installing on a madriva system 23:08 iceninesyd although i know little of it! 23:08 iceninesyd i loike koha so far 23:08 chris yep 23:08 chris cool, ill be waiting for it 23:08 iceninesyd r u in NZ? 23:08 iceninesyd irma jus sent you an email 23:08 chris heh yep 23:08 iceninesyd the famous cc ? 23:08 chris cool, looks like its all working 23:08 iceninesyd is that chris cormack ?!??!?! 23:07 iceninesyd i am testing irc with irma 23:07 dewey privet, chris 23:07 chris hi 23:07 iceninesyd hello 20:30 thd kados: are you there? 14:07 paul you can notify by e-mail, snailmail (with some OOo document), or forget the notify iirc 14:06 paul they have developped a feature to notify overdues, on a 3level basis. 14:06 toins i don'tknow kados 14:06 kados ok 14:06 paul you should ask btoumi I think 14:06 paul kados : I bet it's a sanop addition. 14:05 kados toins: do you know the answer to rch's question? 14:00 toins hehe 14:00 dewey you are trying to commit on gna.org with svn since this morning. 14:00 toins dewey, toins ? 13:59 dewey kados: I forgot maybe 13:59 kados dewey: forget maybe 13:59 dewey maybe is listed as HEAD in my CVS Entry file. 13:59 kados hdl: maybe? 13:57 rch hey can anyone briefly explain the notifys table and "FU" ? 13:50 paul (I think its because the 2nd one stayed at one of his friends/neighbour without permission) 13:50 kados hehe 13:50 paul (my wife being crying highly at one of my child atm...) 13:49 paul nope 13:49 kados paul: don't you have a small child for such things? ;-) 13:49 paul would be interesting to add them 1 by 1, but would be quite long to enter. 13:49 kados maybe easier to track that way? 13:48 paul he will let the french column description & add an english one. 13:48 kados can we add them to bugzilla? 13:48 paul a column also contains who do what (HDL/PP/AF) 13:48 kados k 13:48 paul the "status" contains "Fait"=done when it's done. 13:48 paul same for "difficulty" column. 13:48 paul just to explain : there is a "priority" list : Haut=High Moyen=Medium Bas=Low 13:47 kados woot 13:47 toins roger.... 13:47 paul toins will translate in english the list & send it to you. 13:46 kados toins: :-) 13:46 toins i'm happy that synching is now finished... 13:46 kados btw: rch has committed updatedatabase change 13:46 kados (maybe just run it through google translate ... probably close enough to understand) 13:46 paul 37 lines 13:46 kados sure, if it's not too much trouble to translate 13:45 paul s/were/are/ 13:45 paul were you interested by a translated list of all improvements toins is working on? 13:45 kados but we feel it's better to have all of us on the same codebase 13:45 paul ok, I prefer this (for you) 13:44 kados ( so some bugs are OK ) 13:44 paul kados = supercoder & rch = spidercoder ... 13:44 kados (but they don't go live until Jan ) 13:44 kados so it will be a busy few weeks :-) 13:44 kados of course ... :-) 13:44 paul don't you have any clients to setup in the next days/weeks ? 13:43 kados so dev_week is now deprecated :-) 13:43 kados paul: all future zebra clients will be in rel_3_0 13:43 paul really 13:43 toins kados, great ! 13:43 paul great !!! 13:43 kados paul: good news for rel_3_0 ... rch and I have decided to start working on it 13:43 paul they are in french, so I won't transmit it to you... 13:42 kados fun :-) 13:42 kados hehe 13:42 paul and remove the tables from koha.sql & updatedatabase for new libraries. 13:41 paul yes. that's why I did not add them to updatedatabase. I don't know what's the best way to do this. it's probably manually for 2.2 libraries 13:41 kados paul: (they might be needed for migration, eh?) 13:41 kados paul: from updatedatabase? 13:40 kados paul: what's the best way to remove those fields ? 13:40 Anarka it would be better if it failed miserably but... it is starting to work 13:40 paul Anarka: good luck 13:39 paul Arnaka : good luck. 13:39 paul and auth_subfield_table & auth_word too... 13:39 paul & marc_subfield_table & marc_word as well. 13:38 paul rch : yep. 13:38 Anarka i just want to scream :P 13:38 Anarka i'm not happy with the install of koha... the IT guy loves windows but doesn't want to install using the package, and doesnt want to use apache, so basically it's just copy paste of files after an error in hope it will work 13:37 rch table definition, even 13:37 rch shall we remove from tabledefitinit? 13:36 paul nope 13:36 rch paul: is marc_biblio still used for anything? 13:20 paul yep, iirc 13:20 rch paul: updatedabase: just add to %fielddefinitions ? 13:11 paul cool... i'll investigate what it means & point the commit to sanop 13:10 kados paul: we'll commit this immediately 13:09 kados ok 13:09 paul koha.sql being created from a dump of a working 3.0 install (when it will be stabilised) 13:08 rch just column in items. 13:08 kados just a new column 13:08 paul updatedatabase, definetly 13:08 paul new table ? or new column ? 13:08 kados add to koha.sql? updatedatabase? 13:08 kados paul: so we want to add this new table def to CVS ... what's the best approach? 13:07 paul jan 3rd 13:07 paul yep. 13:07 kados SAN goes live in Jan right? 13:07 kados paul: (right ... I understand) 13:07 rch paul: 10 dec? 13:06 kados paul: to the table 13:06 paul but definetly nok for such modifs in december, 10th !!! 13:06 kados paul: we have already made the modif 13:06 paul so, ok for such modifs in a week (= 6 weeks to check it for SANOP) 13:06 kados (one of our clients did something similar a few monts back :-)) 13:06 paul 12 hours before a major demo. 13:06 kados right 13:06 paul ... apache could not restart anymore for some dependancy problem. 13:06 kados hehe 13:05 paul he updated, and ... 13:05 paul btoumi wanted to do something harmless on the system for koha : installing webmin. 13:05 paul the SANOP server went fine until yesterday 4PM. 13:05 paul kados, let me give you an example : 13:05 paul and if you code it for next week, we will have enough time to debug it. 13:05 kados paul: it's only one column added to the items table ... it's harmless 13:04 kados (we can just add some small code rather than re-write existing stuff) 13:04 paul SANOP will start on jan, 3rd with rel_3_0, so such a DB modif has to be checked a lot. 13:04 kados esp if we use the second way 13:04 paul I prefer a week to a month, i'll explain why : 13:03 paul wow... 13:03 kados maybe a week or so at the most 13:03 kados definitely not feb 13:03 paul (/me thikn he know the answer) 13:03 paul without kidding, do you need this really ASAP, or can it wait for, say, februrary ? 13:03 rch :) 13:02 kados it was, but we moved it to tomorrow ;-) 13:02 paul lol 13:02 paul i was afraid it could be yesterday... 13:02 rch tomorrow :) 13:02 paul what's the timeline for you ? 13:01 paul - add a items.itemtype field, with default value being biblioitems.itemtype, and activated (& modified) by the library where needed. harder to code, but better for other libraries. 13:01 paul - move itemtype to items level, for everybody. Probably easier to code, but harder to migrate existing libraries & too bad for libraries happy with itemtype at bilbio level 13:00 paul we have 2 ways to do such thing : 13:00 rch So simplest would be to add items.itype, and allow that field to override biblioitems.itemtype if exists ? 13:00 kados paul: but they lost i when upgrading to Koha 13:00 kados paul: I also discovered that NPL used to have this functiaonlity too 12:59 kados paul: it's a requirement, unfortunately 12:59 rch ummm.. needs, I guess :) 12:59 paul is it "wishes" or "want" ? 12:58 paul hehe... kados spoke of this previously... 12:58 rch i.e. not just special issuing rule per item 12:58 rch We have a client who wishes itemtypes at items level. 12:57 rch paul: I have some other questions about where you are with rel_3_0 12:56 paul fieldsets are useful, but i think they should not replace <div> & sometimes are useless 12:55 rch yes, I think css is cleaner with divs. 12:54 paul "we" make a heavy use of <fieldset> instead of <div> but i'm not sure it's a good thing. 12:54 paul rch : a named div around every functionnal element => im' 100% OK for this, as it's what was planned. 12:54 rch (div, even) 12:53 rch paul: generally, I'd like to add a named dif around every functional element so it can be more easily css'ed 12:53 Lea kados: I rewrote my mapper class yesterday and reduced my "cleaned" MARC data by 30%" 12:52 rch which are both inside the masthead. 12:52 rch paul: the opac nav is a list element inside the hardcoded nav 12:52 Lea ok, thanks 12:52 rch paul: e.g. the auth form is inside a search div, 12:51 paul rch : a sample of what you would like to do ? 12:51 kados Lea: chris from katipo has done some of that in the past ... might be worth pinging him when he's on in a few hours 12:51 Lea kados: what do you suggest? Working out the number of copies and adding some sort of marc tag? 12:51 rch paul: I'd like to add many more divs, and pull some elements outside of others 12:51 kados Lea: probably easier to do it pre-migration 12:50 Lea is it easy to normalise the data afterwards? 12:50 kados Lea: you could take a look at the find duplicate stuff in Biblio.pm 12:50 rch paul: I am having some issues with customizablility in prog opac tmpl... 12:50 kados Lea: that function is built into the cataloging interface, but not bulkmarcimport 12:50 Lea oh no... 12:50 kados Lea: it doesn't ... 12:50 Lea does anyone know how bulkmarcimport recognises multiple copies of the same biblio? It should be by ISBN no? 12:49 kados (changing the font fixed it) 12:49 kados (I have seen cases where the font corrupted the character) 12:49 paul yes & no... 12:48 kados paul: or maybe just the font? 12:48 paul (without the CSS) 12:48 kados paul: so it's a problem with the translation script? 12:48 paul I think i'll have to work on tmpl_process to find shortcuts & deal with them correctly 12:48 kados rch: http://o18.bureau.paulpoulain.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl 12:48 paul SRecherche is wrong too, should be Recherche. 12:48 kados ahh 12:48 rch toins: hi! 12:48 paul but in french, it should just be prêts ! 12:47 paul it's prêt*u*es 12:47 paul look at iss*u*es. 12:47 kados ok 12:47 paul i've 20 vhost : iXX and oXX, i for librarians & o for opac 12:47 kados where is the problem?> 12:47 paul o18... 12:47 paul you can see there is a problem with shortcuts. 12:47 dewey hmmm... opac is 2.2.5 12:47 kados opac? 12:47 kados cool 12:47 paul with french 1st translation. 12:46 paul http://i18.bureau.paulpoulain.com/cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl login test/test 12:46 rch middle name - Corrado 12:46 paul C = ?? 12:46 toins hi rch 12:46 rch yes 12:46 kados paul: yes :-) 12:46 paul rch : Ryan ?? Higgins 12:46 Lea hi all 12:46 kados do you have an example with nice css? 12:46 rch hi paul 12:45 paul prog templates are very "useables" 12:45 kados rch and I have been playing ith rel_3_0 (mostly rch) 12:45 kados cool 12:45 paul prog + css 12:45 kados paul: do you have special templates? or do you use prog? 12:45 kados great! 12:45 paul they were very enthusiastic... 12:44 paul this morning I was at SANOP showing Koha to the 100 users ! 12:44 kados ok ... great! 12:44 kados maybe thats all chris meant 12:44 paul I don't remember seing anything about installer (except package dep missing, and already updated on cvs) 12:43 kados cool 12:43 paul it's fixed, if I don't mind. 12:43 paul hdl founded a new bug, on authorities when char encoding=utf8 & marcflavour=Unimarc. 12:43 kados hehe, hi Anarka :-) 12:42 Anarka yes please :)' 12:42 kados chris mentioned installer probs? do you know about those? 12:42 kados (one on koha-lobby just now) 12:42 kados I continue to get requests about the z39.50 client 12:42 toins hi kados 12:42 kados hi :-) 12:42 paul hello kados. 12:42 paul yes. 12:41 kados paul: you around?