Time Nick Message 12:07 kados thd: you around? 12:08 kados thd: I seem to recall you had the low down on how to get cheap bibliographic and authority records ... 12:26 hdl tumer around ? 12:27 hdl seems not. 12:43 thd kados: I am here 12:43 kados thd: do you see my question above? 12:44 kados I'm interested in pursuing our discussions about obtaining cheap bib and auth records 12:45 thd kados: yes are you asking about records matched to the records in an individual library or a large database to serve the needs of many libraries? 12:46 kados I'm looking for a cheap way to obtain all the MARc records ever created :-) 12:47 thd ok I will supply them all in five minutes 12:56 kados thd: list? 12:57 thd kados: how many all do you want in terms of countries and libraries where they were created? 12:58 thd and languages? 13:06 kados I want everything :-) 13:06 kados well ... options are always good 13:06 kados ultimately I want everything 13:06 kados but it would be good to start with a subset 13:06 kados say, US records only 13:06 kados to start with 13:07 thd kados: English only? 13:08 thd kados: LC only? 13:08 kados not LC only 13:08 kados not English only 13:10 thd kados: targeting selection of particular records from other libraries is OK but wholesale acquisition of records from a database could get you in trouble. 13:11 thd kados: however, people are willing to sell databases of records 13:11 thd kados: or rather license their use for approved purposes 13:12 kados right 13:12 thd kados: what do you intend to do with the records? 13:12 kados well I'd be looking for someone willing to sell access to the entire set of data 13:12 kados so that I can set up http://kohacat.org 13:13 kados which will allow people to search for and download records usigna web-bsed interface as well as Z39.50 13:13 thd kados: which would be open to any library just Koha users, LibLime clients or what? 13:18 thd kados: are you still there? 13:18 kados yes 13:18 kados it would be open to the world 13:21 thd kados: would there be a fee associated for access or downloading records? 13:21 kados no 13:21 kados it would be donation based 13:22 thd kados: libraries would have to donate a record for every one they copied? 13:22 kados hehe ... now 13:22 kados no even 13:22 kados there would be no obligations 13:24 thd kados: you might be able to make a deal with some sources for databases which they guard carefully but for free open to the world for copying you would not be able to get the best records without replacing their current revenue stream from their records. 13:24 thd s/best/some very good database sets/ 13:25 kados so the only solution is to purchase directly from LC? 13:25 thd kados: no 13:25 kados what then? 13:26 thd kados: however, you would not be able to get many records which were not in LC from aggregators with that model 13:27 thd kados: you could get LC records with some other modest databases from a third party cheaply 13:28 kados how cheaply? 13:28 thd kados: to complement that set in the US you would need to make deals with individual libraries 13:29 kados I currently have about 10 million records 13:40 dce_wi hello. Does anyone know the correct way to encrypt passwords for koha? I did a bulk import of patrons but clearly don't have the passwords encrypted right yet. 13:49 owen Isn't sure... are koha passwords encrypted with MD5()? 13:53 dce_wi They don't look like standard MD5 crypts (non-standard characters, too short and mixed case.) 13:54 owen I'm not much at Perl, but it looks like the scripts use a special function to encrypt the passwords before they go into MySQL: md5_base64() ? 14:01 dce_wi Well, that certainly returns text that looks like what is stored in the database. 14:04 dce_wi Bingo. After updating a student's password using that I can log in as them. Thanks! 14:04 owen glad I could help 14:18 dce_wi \quit 14:18 dce_wi lol 14:18 dce_wi l8er 15:43 chris morning 15:53 kados hey chris 15:54 chris heya .. i have a question for ya 15:55 chris with dev_week ... if i had a bunch of marc records .. and had set up dev_week wrt the page on the wiki 15:55 chris would i be able to bulkmarcimport them in? 15:56 chris or do i need to bulkmarcimport them then load them into zebra .. or even bulkmarcimport them into 2.2.x copy the db to my dev_week, run the convert scripts then load the marc files into zebra ? 15:56 chris ok thats more than one question :) 16:05 chris and when youve digested that, theres finally some interesting discussion on ngc4lib :) 16:12 chris ohh and evegreen is live today eh 16:45 kados yes, bulkmarcimport should work 16:46 kados it should import into koha tables, sql and index in zebra 16:46 chris cool thanks 16:46 kados but you won't be able to reindex the set without exporting first 16:46 kados and yea, I've been following the ngc4lib bit 16:47 chris ahh right 16:47 chris second question then ... can i get a bunch of marc records from you :-) 16:47 chris if you have a library that doesnt mind us using them for testing 16:47 kados should have them already 16:48 kados lemme check for the link 16:48 chris ahh did bob email and ask for some? 16:48 kados yea 16:48 chris ahh sweet as, ignore me then 16:49 kados http://liblime.com/public/192records.utf8.mrc 17:29 hdl chris : what is ngc4lib ? 17:30 chris hi hdl 17:30 hdl hi chris. 17:30 chris its next gen catalogue for libraries, mailing list 17:30 chris mostly its people complaining about stuff 17:31 chris but sometimes it has good discussions 17:31 chris ill find the link 17:31 hdl seen crayon has much chance to be a girl GOOOD. 17:31 dewey I haven't seen 'crayon', hdl 17:31 chris http://dewey.library.nd.edu/mailing-lists/ngc4lib/ 17:32 chris yep, we'll find out in a few weeks for sure 20:36 speedyfs Hi 20:37 chris hi 20:37 dewey hello, chris 20:37 speedyfs my libraryan seems to be having a problem adding books to koha 20:38 chris in what way? 20:38 speedyfs if i got to 20:39 speedyfs add marc record with framwork and type in the isbn 20:39 speedyfs it says Z3950 search results nothing found 20:40 speedyfs still ?? requests to go 20:40 speedyfs im not sure y that is 20:40 chris have you started the z3950 daemon running? 20:41 speedyfs how would i start it 20:42 chris i guess not then :) 20:42 speedyfs lol 20:42 chris 2 secs ill find the mail that explains 20:42 chris it 20:43 chris cd /usr/local/koha/intranet/scripts/z3950daemon (if thats where its installed on your system) 20:43 chris ./z3950-daemon-launch.sh 20:43 chris probably need sudo, or to be root to do that 20:45 speedyfs ./z... starts it 20:45 chris cool 20:45 speedyfs sorry that was a ? 20:45 speedyfs doing that will start it? 20:45 chris yes 20:45 chris http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2006/009876.html 20:45 chris is probably helpful too 20:45 speedyfs cool 20:46 speedyfs do i have to restart anything? 20:46 chris not if you had set all your z3950 things up in the admin interface already 20:48 speedyfs hmm.... 20:48 speedyfs i have the library of congress server in the servers list 20:48 speedyfs i guess somethings not set up right 20:49 chris whats the ranking on it? 20:49 chris Did you leave the ranking on the list as zero? If so, that server will 20:49 chris > not be 20:49 chris > searched. 20:49 chris so maybe change it to 1 20:50 chris and restart the z3950 daemon 20:50 chris you can check if its running ok 20:50 chris by looking in /usr/local/koha/log 20:51 chris there will be a file there z3950-daemon-something-something.log 20:53 speedyfs cant locate net/z3950.pm 20:53 chris there we go 20:53 chris you'll need to install that to get z3950 working 20:54 chris you can get it from cpan 20:54 speedyfs i installed it 20:55 speedyfs it says it was aborted on line 11 of processz3950queue 20:55 chris yep thats teh use use Net::Z3950; line 20:56 chris perl -MNet::Z3950 -v 20:56 chris what does that tell you 20:57 chris hmm actually ignore that 20:58 chris perl -MNet::Z3950 -e 'print "hello\";' 20:58 chris what happens if you run that at the commandline 20:59 speedyfs same thing 21:00 speedyfs as before 21:00 chris right so its not installed 21:00 speedyfs connot locate 21:00 chris not anywhere that perl can find it anyway 21:02 speedyfs ok 21:11 speedyfs i tried reinstalling it 21:12 speedyfs but i doesnt seem to wokr 21:12 chris i seem to remember it was tricky to install 21:14 speedyfs it say net::z3950 is up to date now 21:14 chris and perl -MNet::Z3950 -e 'print "hello\";' works? 21:15 speedyfs no 21:17 speedyfs same error 21:17 chris well where the heck did it install it then i wonder? 21:18 chris perl -MCPAN -e 'install Net::Z3950' 21:18 chris is that how you installed it? 21:19 speedyfs it said it installed to /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.7/Net 21:19 chris right 21:19 chris what does perl -v tell you 21:20 chris v5.8.7 ? 21:20 speedyfs yes 21:20 chris well i have no idea then 21:20 speedyfs ::sigh:: 21:20 speedyfs lol 21:20 chris seems somethign weird with your perl 21:22 chris perl -MNet::Z3950 -e 'print "hello\n";' (its should be, i missed the n) but i bet that will give the same error 21:22 chris on my machine i get 21:22 chris chris@orbweb:/var/log/apache2$ perl -MNet::Z3950 -e 'print "hello\n";' 21:22 chris hello 21:22 dewey niihau, chris 21:24 speedyfs it says hello 21:25 speedyfs it worked 21:25 chris cool 21:25 chris try starting your z3950 daemon again 21:25 speedyfs ok 21:26 speedyfs when i start is anything suppose to come up 21:27 chris no 21:28 speedyfs UR THE MAN YES!!! 21:28 speedyfs it works 21:28 speedyfs now 21:28 chris cool 21:28 chris you might want to see that as an init.d script, so the z3950 daemon is started if the server is rebooted or anything 21:30 speedyfs ok now it checks 3 or 4 times then finds the books then it goes to 404 not found 21:31 chris yeah thats a template error 21:31 chris it works with teh default templates, there is a bug in the npl ones 21:31 chris its been fixed, for the next version 21:31 chris lemme find you the fix 21:35 chris hmm cant find it 21:35 chris can u just try chaning to the default templates and check it works there 21:36 speedyfs so if i put it on its default it'll work 21:36 speedyfs ok 21:37 chris it should yes 21:38 chris ahh found the fix 21:38 chris http://cvs.savannah.nongnu.org/viewcvs/koha/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/npl/en/z3950/searchresult.tmpl?root=koha&only_with_tag=rel_2_2&r2=1.2.2.2&r1=1.2.2.1 21:38 chris specficcally 21:38 chris <!-- TMPL_IF NAME="refresh" --> 21:39 chris and the matching <!-- /TMPL_IF --> 21:39 chris need to be added to the template 21:39 chris or you can use the defulat ones 21:39 chris hi tumer 21:39 dewey hi tumer is still strugling 21:39 tumer hi chris 21:40 chris hows sunny cyprus? 21:40 tumer very hor 21:40 tumer hot 21:40 speedyfs ok the tmpl default works like you said 21:41 tumer whats new? i have been away for some time 21:44 chris hmm not too much, ive been pretty busy, we just had another library go live on last friday 21:44 chris so ive been tidying up all the little bits and pieces we missed :) 21:45 chris how bout with you? busy as always im guessing 21:45 tumer well i better read the logs. Done some holidays and almost finished rel_3.2 21:45 chris woot 21:45 chris excelletn 21:46 tumer i have to do the acqusitions bit as well though 21:47 chris ahh right 21:47 tumer no more utf8 problems- no more marc all XML 21:47 chris that sounds so much better 21:48 tumer i have 80 library directors coming next week have to show them KOHA 21:49 chris ohh excellent, i hope that goes well 21:49 chris we have the library conference of nz coming up in august 21:49 chris sorry october 21:50 tumer by then you probably will be able to show them all the goodies 21:50 chris excellent that would be fantastic, now the library has gone live, ill have some time to do some testing/bugfixing etc if you need that 21:51 tumer yeah great after next week 21:51 chris cool 21:51 tumer nice talking to you i have to sleep 21:52 chris sleep well, cya later 21:52 tumer gnight 21:54 speedyfs thanks chris you fixed that too 21:54 chris cool 21:55 speedyfs yeah im working at a new school and were using linux and like all open source software 21:55 speedyfs so its kinda hard learning everyting 21:56 speedyfs i appreciate everyones help 21:56 chris no problem 21:57 speedyfs i hope my librarian has no more problems with it 21:57 speedyfs thanx gnite 21:57 chris night 02:02 osmoze hello 02:21 btoumi hi all 02:30 toins hi all 02:35 hdl tumer there ? 02:36 hdl good sleep tumer. 02:37 hdl the warrior rest 09:40 tumer hdl:around? 09:40 paul hi tumer. 09:40 dewey hi tumer is still strugling 09:40 paul hdl should not be too far... 09:40 tumer hi paul? 09:40 tumer hdl seems to be looking for me, what up? 09:41 hdl hi 09:41 dewey salut, hdl 09:41 paul I think it was about the koha-devel question 09:41 tumer hi 09:41 dewey privet, tumer 09:41 tumer surgeant dewey 09:41 hdl tumer : it was about koha-devel question and also about utf-8. 09:42 tumer shoot 09:42 hdl UTF-8 first : 09:42 hdl is HTML::Template::Pro enough for utf-8 management. 09:43 hdl It seems to me yes. for what I could judge. 09:43 tumer necessary but we have to use Encode as well 09:43 hdl When ? 09:43 tumer well for HEAD we have to but rel_2 should be ok with it 09:44 hdl Is it for xml processing without loosing utf-8 encodings ? 09:44 tumer yes for that i have to use Encode 09:44 hdl Is it for DBI utf-8 management ? 09:45 tumer all xml management DB or Zebra 09:45 hdl and use utf8; pragma doesnot help in no way ? 09:46 tumer HTML::Tempalte::Pro solves our CGI problems 09:46 tumer use utf8 is useless 09:46 hdl Have you tried #!/usr/bin/perl -COE pragma in your 1st line ? 09:46 tumer we actually have to set the flags ourselves 09:47 hdl Why this ? 09:47 tumer hdl: i solved this UTF-8 problem i think and by adding a couple of encode or decode did no harm to new code 09:48 hdl OK. code committed ? 09:48 tumer hdl: you remember MARC problem we didcussed? 09:49 hdl tumer: which one ? It's been a hell of a time we last spoke. 09:49 tumer i was saying MARC was buggy. But its not all our packages for XML does the same thing 09:49 hdl YEAh. 09:49 hdl MARC::Charset seemed to double encode. 09:49 tumer so now i fully follow the strict guidelines 09:50 tumer MARC is functioning correctly, Charset or XML whatever 09:50 tumer its the other packages HTML::Template that was causing the problem 09:50 hdl About your version for HEAD. Are you using zebra version 2.0 ? 09:51 tumer any non UTF8 aware package will create the same problem 09:51 tumer i am using Zebra 2.0 but t works with 1.4 as well 09:52 hdl tumer : yes : that was my conclusion at least for CGI and DBI about. 09:52 tumer The double encoding is due to half our data having flags set (from MARC) and the rest not 09:52 tumer Pro solves that problem 09:53 hdl It seems that zebra2.0 introduced a new xml configuration standard. 09:53 hdl Is not that what you used ? 09:53 tumer yes now batch xml indexing is possible 09:54 tumer by the way i have installed HEAD to our library and have been debugging it last 2 weeks 09:54 tumer ALL XML 09:54 tumer except breeding farm 09:54 hdl I mean, indeed, seems to me that record.abs syntax is quite a cryptic file. 09:55 tumer have you seen the neew indexing file i committed? 09:55 tumer koha2index.xml 09:55 hdl yes. 09:55 tumer more managable 09:55 hdl But I thought it worked only with zebra 2.0 09:55 tumer works with 1.4 but now i upgraded to 2 09:56 hdl COOL. 09:56 tumer 1.4 was never officially released anyeway 09:56 hdl I have tried to make a dtd for frameworks so taht they could be in xml files. 09:57 hdl But still under nightly construction so not too quick. 09:57 tumer well i tried an xml stylesheet for results and it works nicely 09:58 tumer but no time for that now later after i finish debugging 09:59 tumer once i commit i would kikw you to merge your AUthority stuff to HEAd as i did not understand it i could not write it with XML 10:00 hdl Ok. 10:00 hdl I will have to understand your code. 10:00 tumer i will be around 10:01 tumer Currently trying to fix a bug with add biblio and marchtml2xml 10:02 tumer when you add more than one field marchtml2xml puts them all in one field 10:02 tumer I added a new index to addbiblio.pl and solved the problem of adding multiple authorities 10:03 tumer they will have to be implemented in rel_2 as well