Time  Nick   Message
19:56 kados  doing some house cleaning on our servers this weekend
19:56 kados  just moved over screen servers
20:26 thd    kados: do you understand what tumer means by the new koha_attr table?
20:28 thd    kados: "These field names now do not exist. So now we create virtula ones by a user editable screen."
20:31 thd    kados: are you there still?
06:47 czokie If anyone's awake, I was trying a clean install of 2.3 ... and I'm having issues with the DB creation.... Anyone awake to give some tips?
06:48 chris  im just about to go to bed, but ill just check that you realise 2.3 is pretty bleeding edge and no where near ready for production
06:51 chris  the installer.pl should do the database creation for you, then you will need to follow the documentation at
06:51 chris  http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php#marc_zebra_and_encoding_notes
06:52 chris  mostly this bit
06:52 chris  http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=installingzebraplugin226
06:52 czokie Hi Chris. Installer failed - I did most of it by hand.
06:52 chris  but there is isnt a nice easy way to install it, its still a development version
06:52 czokie Wanted to work out how to do a manual DB create....
06:52 czokie (I know it's dev - I am just playing!)
06:52 chris  youll need to find the koha.sql
06:53 chris  and pipe that into your database
06:53 chris  then run updatedatabase
06:53 czokie Did that - and did a manual drop / create. but marc record create was not there.
06:53 czokie Ie a default marc structure.
06:53 chris  you ran updatedatabase?
06:53 czokie yep
06:53 chris  right
06:53 czokie I can do again .... to make sure.
06:53 chris  there will be some other files
06:53 chris  that make it
06:54 chris  you can look at Install.pm
06:54 chris  and see what files it uses to populate the marc tables
06:54 czokie I manually did a search for *.sql - and found one that looked like a good candidate.
06:54 czokie The links in koha2marclinks.pl seem broken.
06:55 czokie also, lots of parameters that were in previous version are not created...
06:55 czokie eg: date format.... (Cant create a user)
06:55 chris  updatedatabase should do all that
06:55 czokie Yes, I know its bleeding edge :)
06:55 czokie Dont forget, I am not updating, I am creating.
06:55 chris  yep
06:55 chris  its called by the installer too
06:56 czokie OK. Will give it 1 more try tonite.
06:56 czokie Time to blow it away again
06:56 chris  then you still have to do all the getting zebra going stuff :)
06:56 czokie I dont even know what zebra is yet - Had a quick search b4. I think I have most of the modules installed.
06:57 czokie (I am a glutton for punishment - I am installing this on a bluequartz host).
06:57 czokie centos based
06:59 chris  so what the installer does is run
06:59 chris  scripts/updater/updatedatabase -s
06:59 chris  then if you choose marc21
06:59 chris  scripts/misc/marc_datas/marc21_en/structure_def.sql
06:59 chris  pipes that in
07:00 chris  and then
07:00 chris  scripts/misc/sql-datas/english/
07:00 chris  the .sql files in there too
07:01 chris  right its midnight now, im gonna hit the hay, if you are around tomorrow i should be around
07:01 chris  good luck
07:01 czokie Tks.
07:01 czokie I just found some more sql that I missed b4 - not in that dir above - but I should be OK now (here's hoping)
07:01 czokie Nite
07:08 czokie If u see this tonite chris - Fixed the marc prob - Now onto the config parameters one.
10:32 owen   kados: do you know where Koha checks to see what branch you're logged in as? It really causes problems for us that Chauncey comes up as the default branch when someone hasn't manually selected a branch.
10:32 kados  hmmm
10:32 kados  I think someone just committed a fix for that
10:32 kados  in rel_2_2 I thought it checks the uesr branch you're logged in as
10:33 kados  in any case, it woudl be in Auth.pm
10:33 kados  probably checkauth()
10:34 kados  at the very least you should be able to print the branchname of the current branch now at the top of the intranet screen
10:34 kados  now
10:35 owen   I wonder if the login screen should include a branch selection form
10:35 kados  great idea1
10:39 owen   It's getting to the point where no one trusts Chauncey's circ stats, because other branches end up logged in as Chauncey without knowing it.
10:53 kados  right
10:53 kados  so we need a fix for that in this upgrade
10:54 kados  could you add it to the wiki list?
10:54 owen   Yes
11:07 kados  owen: so what'd you think of the feedback we got yesterday?
11:07 owen   I was glad to see folks were looking.
11:08 kados  some good suggestions too
11:08 owen   I agree with the choice of New vs. Old rather than date ascending and descending
11:08 kados  me too
11:08 kados  feel free to edit it whenever you get a chance and commit back to cvs
11:08 kados  the copy on zoomopac is the same as latest cvs btw
11:09 owen   I think it's interesting that a stricter standards-based MARC search is exposing the holes we've got in our MARC records.
11:09 kados  yea :-)
11:09 kados  interesting in what way? :-)
11:11 kados  one of the things it reveals to me is the failings of the MARC standard
11:11 owen   I think it's neat that giving the staff some power when it comes to doing real searching makes them more aware of what they need from the catalgue
11:12 kados  because the barrier to entry for constructing proper MARC records is pretty high
11:12 owen   Yeah
11:12 kados  yep, that is neat
11:12 kados  it would be interesting to be a fly on the wall in the early MARC days
11:13 kados  i wonder why they decided to make it so complex
11:14 owen   I was confused by the email about Koha 3.0 saying each item will have its own MARC record.
11:14 kados  yea?
11:14 kados  well ...
11:14 kados  basically, not each item, but each set of items
11:14 kados  there are several MARC standards
11:15 kados  bibliographic, holdings, authorities, community, etc.
11:15 kados  in the MARC21 holdings standard
11:15 kados  each set of library holdings has a record
11:15 kados  it consists of a leader, some fixed fields, and a bunch of tags like 852, etc.
11:16 kados  if you're curious, check out this reference: http://www.itsmarc.com/crs/hold0654.htm
11:16 kados  in Koha 3.0, we're going to pull out each type of record and put it in it's own database
11:17 kados  so you will have a bibliographic database, a holdings database, an authorities database, etc.
11:18 kados  make sense?
11:20 owen   Yeah, I think so.
11:33 owen   kados: have you thought any more about the item type/collection  discussion we had on Thursday?