Time  Nick        Message
11:59 owen        I don't think they /do/ handle in transit. I think that's the problem
11:59 kados       :-)
11:59 kados       dunno
11:57 owen        How do they do it?
11:56 owen        I don't know
11:55 kados       :-)
11:55 kados       is that opening a can of worms?
11:55 kados       do you understand how HLT does in transit and transfers?
11:55 kados       while we're on the topic
11:55 kados       good one
11:54 owen        What about in-transit?
11:47 kados       what else?
11:47 kados       damaged => don't show up in OPAC, can't reserve, can't issue
11:47 kados       what statuses does NPL need and what should they do?
11:46 kados       but I think damaged will work the way we want
11:46 kados       anyway
11:46 kados       as you wouldn't be adding an item
11:45 kados       guess the on order bit isn't really quite right
11:45 kados       2 => on order
11:45 kados       1 => damaged
11:45 kados       so I've got authoried values set up for:
11:45 kados       as currently programmed, they all weill set it to 'can't make reserve and can't issue'
11:44 kados       cancel that
11:44 kados       hmmm
11:44 kados       the negitive numbers
11:44 kados       and 9 values that don't do anything
11:44 kados       'can't make a reserve and can't issue'
11:44 kados       you've got up to 9 values that mean
11:44 kados       well ...
11:43 owen        But what does 'not for loan' cover?
11:41 kados       nope, it doesn't work
11:41 kados       hehe
11:40 kados       owen: make sense to you?
11:40 kados       owen: because I think 'hidelostitems' is for legitimately lost items
11:39 kados       owen: called 'OpacHidenotforloan'
11:39 kados       owen: I propose we create a new syspref
11:39 kados       owen: so it's just a template job
11:39 kados       owen: but the status changing is
11:39 kados       owen: the hidelostitems syspref isn't working
11:36 kados       owen: so I think it's working
11:36 kados       owen: and you can't reserve it
11:36 kados       (the status I mean)
11:36 kados       owen: changed the status, at least it shows up in the OPAC
11:36 kados       owen: http://opac.smfpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?bib=132080
11:33 kados       right?
11:33 kados       until they arrive
11:33 kados       not the items though
11:33 kados       ahh ... you want the biblios to show up
11:30 kados       owen: don't you want newly ordered items to show up in the catalog?
11:28 owen        Yes
11:25 kados       owen: does it set the hardcoded status field in Koha's items table?
11:25 kados       owen: the button ...
11:25 kados       owen: how does your 'make lost' work?
11:24 kados       could add a drop-down box to moredetail.pl
11:24 kados       should be simple enough
11:24 kados       right
11:24 owen        if it does work, then the issue is how to easily change statuses without editing the records
11:20 kados       yay
11:20 kados       so I've got time to spend on this
11:20 kados       and they're sponsoring the work :-)
11:20 kados       SMFPL has the same requirements
11:19 kados       and make it simpler to change the statuses
11:19 kados       t
11:19 kados       fix it if it doesn
11:19 kados       to see if it works
11:19 kados       so we should do some tests
11:19 kados       as I understand it
11:19 kados       at least that's the advertised functionality
11:19 kados       and statuses > 0 can't be seen in the OPAC
11:18 kados       you specify all the status codes (numeric) and descriptions (text)
11:18 kados       and in the authorized value
11:18 kados       to an authorized value
11:18 kados       you map 'notforloan'
11:18 kados       in the framework
11:17 kados       no
11:17 owen        With itemcallnumber?
11:17 kados       the question is, does it work :-)
11:17 kados       now ... I _think_ koha claims to be able to do this in the rel_2_2 branch
11:17 kados       gotcha
11:17 owen        Yes. It would be nice to be able to set up custom statuses and say, for instance, whether items with that status should appear in the OPAC.
11:16 kados       right?
11:16 kados       also, probably want one for 'damaged'
11:16 kados       for instance
11:16 kados       so 'on order'
11:16 kados       right
11:16 owen        That's a situation where we'd like to be able to have a new status, something beyond Lost and Cancelled.
11:15 owen        Okay, take the inventory situation, for example
11:15 owen        Alright, give me a sec to think on it
11:15 kados       owen: so can you encapsulate the needs? :-)
11:11 owen        Yes
11:07 kados       owen: I know NPL has some requests with regards to that
11:07 kados       owen: got some time to talk about item statuses?
11:07 kados       I think
11:07 kados       paul even
11:07 kados       ok ... well no sense in proceeding on acquisitions until we hear back from palu
10:59 kados       no errors when receiving an order though
10:58 kados       [Fri Jul 07 05:47:19 2006] [error] [client] DBD::mysql::st fetchrow_hashref failed: fetch() without execute() at /home/koha/intranet/modules/C4/Acquisition.pm line 1188., referer: http://koha.smfpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/acqui/order.pl
10:58 kados       [Fri Jul 07 05:47:19 2006] [error] [client] DBD::mysql::st execute failed: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'and datereceived is not null group by aqorders.booksellerinvoice at /home/koha/intranet/modules/C4/Acquisition.pm line 1186., referer: http://koha.smfpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/acqui/order.pl
10:58 kados       [Fri Jul 07 05:43:48 2006] [error] [client] DBD::mysql::st fetchrow_hashref failed: fetch() without execute() at /home/koha/intranet/modules/C4/Acquisition.pm line 1188., referer: http://koha.smfpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/acqui/order.pl
10:58 kados       I'm getting some errors in the logs:
10:58 kados       interesting
10:58 kados       ToinS: do you know if any of paul's libraries use budget-based acquisitions?
10:57 kados       sigh
10:57 kados       s/should/shouldn't/
10:57 kados       and we should be saying it does :-)
10:56 kados       so Koha does not have acquisitions
10:56 kados       it plainly doesn't work
10:56 kados       I don't see how any library could
10:55 kados       yea, it didn't update the status of the order
10:55 owen        Same in the default template
10:55 kados       and the 'pending orders' section is confusing since I think that was the order I just received :-)
10:54 kados       also, invoice, received by, date are not filled at the top of the page
10:54 kados       0 bibliographic records received
10:54 kados       http://koha.smfpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/acqui/receive.pl?supplierid=9&invoice=3456&gst=1&freight=3
10:53 kados       so entered in some random data
10:53 kados       right
10:53 kados       it wants 'parcel code', GST, and Freight
10:52 kados       I'm not sure what to do with the page once it loads
10:52 kados       but ...
10:52 kados       ok, working in NPL
10:50 kados       it's busted in default too
10:50 kados       cool
10:50 owen        someone had changed 'id' to 'supplierid' at some point and I missed it.
10:49 owen        The 'receive' link is corrected now in CVS
10:44 kados       right ... this is the bug where it won't pull up the right supplier
10:43 kados       so now how abotu receiving
10:43 kados       creating a new budget works
10:43 kados       and all three ways koha creates new records that can be reserved from the OPAC
10:42 kados       so seems like we can add to orders via suggestions, records, or create new minimal records for them
10:41 kados       why have two names?
10:41 kados       seems like order and basket are the same
10:41 kados       and you can add items to the order
10:40 kados       so you have an order
10:40 kados       ahh
10:39 kados       so is an order equivilent to a basket/
10:39 kados       it's very confusing
10:39 kados       part of the problem is that their seem to be so many different names for things
10:36 kados       it seems like it would be a nice feature
10:36 kados       but I've never seen that
10:36 kados       in the help file it says there is a place to enter in a name
10:36 kados       the 'created by' feature doesn't seem to do anything
10:35 kados       that's a bug :-)
10:35 kados       ahh ... probably due to the '
10:35 kados       doesn't pull up any orders :-)
10:34 kados       and clicking on 'manage orders'
10:34 kados       it loads a different supplier
10:34 kados       try clicking on the one next to 'Josh's Book Supplies'
10:34 kados       doesn't seem to be loading the recieve page correctly
10:33 kados       owen: the 'receive' link here: http://koha.smfpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/acqui/order.pl
10:31 kados       maybe just delete them then?
10:31 owen        Hm.... the default template doesn't even have the branch fields
10:30 kados       ok, creating a new budget with correct date ranges seems to work
10:29 kados       is that a bug?
10:29 kados       and neither one of them has a dropdown
10:29 kados       there are two lines for branch
10:29 kados       http://koha.smfpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/admin/aqbudget.pl
10:28 kados       hopefully that's paul :-)
10:28 kados       sure
10:27 owen        I'm not going to try to puzzle out this javascript. I'll let someone who knows how it should work tackle it.
10:27 kados       weird
10:27 kados       so there are several book funds defined, why aren't they showing up?
10:26 kados       ahh book funds
10:26 owen        In system prefs
10:26 kados       this acquisitions system could use a bit of loving in terms of navigation links
10:26 kados       and how to do you add budgets and bookfunds?
10:25 kados       the math seems to be working :-)
10:24 kados       (I entered in '12' as the invoice number when I created that line in the order
10:24 kados       http://koha.smfpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/acqui/basket.pl?basket=6
10:24 kados       and comes out as an 'order number'
10:24 kados       it doesn't show up on the basket details
10:24 kados       and when I enter one it
10:24 owen        No idea.
10:23 kados       but where are those invoice numbers supposed to be coming from?
10:23 kados       and invoice number seems to be marked mandatory with a *
10:23 kados       wouldn't those be entered in when you recieved the item?
10:23 kados       as well as an 'invoice number'
10:23 kados       I guess I dont' understand why you'd have a 'actual cost' listed when you are entering in a new item
10:19 kados       seems to be the same in both
10:18 owen        :) Nope.
10:17 owen        Does that work in the default template?
10:13 kados       same message
10:13 kados       and tab and I get:
10:13 kados       then, I type 12.00 in 'supplier's list price'
10:12 owen        Oh, sorry, I missed that one.
10:12 kados       Line: 147
10:12 kados       Source File: http://koha.smfpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/acqui/newbiblio.pl?sub=&booksellerid=9&basketno=&biblio=106226
10:12 kados       Error: f.elements[currency] has no properties
10:12 kados       and I get:
10:12 kados       and hit tab
10:12 kados       I put in quantity '1'
10:12 owen        (in the Javascript console)
10:12 owen        The same "showPanel" error?
10:10 kados       yea
10:10 owen        same page?
10:10 kados       (BTW: still getting the js errors in NPL templates)
10:09 kados       when adding an order
10:09 kados       what is the invoice number for?
10:08 owen        Publishers and Imprints: I think that means what different publisher names fall under the heading of that supplier
10:08 kados        a. from existing record
10:08 kados       2. I add an order
10:07 kados       (I think)
10:07 kados       since in the US, there's no such thing as GST
10:07 kados       also, if GST is set to 0, it shouldn't show up in the list IMO
10:07 kados       any idea what the 'publishers and imprints' option is about?
10:06 kados       I add a new supplier
10:05 kados       so from the top
10:05 kados       you're fast :-)
10:05 kados       ahh, cool
10:05 owen        the js bug and the new supplier thing
10:04 owen        both issues you just mentioned
10:04 kados       owen: what's the fix for>
10:03 kados       thx
10:00 owen        I committed a fix, kados
09:42 kados       true :-)
09:41 owen        Well, a js error isn't operator error!
09:41 kados       it could be operator error :-)
09:40 kados       part of the problem is I'm not sure they are bugs :-)
09:40 owen        It would be great if you could go ahead and file bugs as you see them. That would help me keep track.
09:39 kados       f.elements[currency] has no properties
09:39 kados       owen: there are some js bugs on the newbiblio.pl screen as well
09:37 kados       so that's good
09:37 kados       and it shows up in the opac
09:37 kados       well I can add to an order
09:36 kados       hmmm
09:27 kados       but when you create an 'order line' the 'open on' and 'for' are populated
09:27 kados       ahh ...
09:25 kados       ToinS: I've confirmed that even with default templates, when you create a new vendor, the basket info is not properly filled out
09:25 kados       when you create a new supplier using the NPL templates, the details from a previously created supplier are in the form
09:24 kados       cancel that last sentence
09:24 kados       owen: and the details page for the supplier works correctly
09:23 kados       owen: I tried creating a new supplier with the default template
09:23 kados       owen: http://koha.smfpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/acqui/supplier.pl?supplierid=8&op=display
09:22 kados       owen: ok ...
09:21 owen        ?
09:21 kados       owen: in the default template, adding a new supplier doesn't pre-populate the form with the previous supplier's data
09:20 kados       ok :-)
09:20 ToinS       so, soon i can answer with much precision
09:20 kados       cool
09:20 ToinS       next on acquisitions
09:20 kados       right
09:19 ToinS       still now i'v worked on Suggestions.pm and Serials.pm
09:19 kados       and why when you add a new supplier does it pre-populate the form with the previous supplier's data?
09:18 kados       (and and the basket.pl doesn't contain the details of the basket number, managed by, open on, or invoice number)
09:18 kados       but there are several things about it that are confusing (like not being able to delete a supplier)
09:17 kados       we have one client intereste now
09:17 kados       so i've not spent much time looking
09:15 ToinS       perhaps it's could be great i add this function on Serials.pm
09:15 ToinS       hehe.. I don't know... I'm 4 days old on the koha code.... and still now, i've never seen this feature !
09:13 kados       ToinS: does that mean that no library using koha now has ever deleted a supplier? :-)
09:11 ToinS       it could be easy to code the function to delete a supplier from here..
09:10 ToinS       ah ok
09:09 kados       ToinS: it's this page: /cgi-bin/koha/acqui/order.pl
09:09 ToinS       i don't know...
09:09 kados       ToinS: is hdl around?
09:08 ToinS       kados: i'm not sure to understand, what is this page ? (order page in bugdet base acqui ???)
09:03 kados       ToinS: is there any way to delete a supplier from the order page in budget based acquisitions?
08:23 kados       ahh ... right
08:23 owen        In The Plains today, so I'm 9-5.
08:23 kados       and from NPL by the IP address :-)
08:23 kados       youre in early :-)
08:22 owen        Hi kados
08:22 kados       morning owen
08:17 kados       (I will show the client how to use bugzilla next time :-))
08:17 kados       with descriptions from a non-tech POV
08:16 kados       http://wiki.liblime.com/doku.php?id=koha226bugs
08:16 kados       I have been working with a client to define bugs in 226:
08:16 ToinS       but not sure
08:16 ToinS       he hopes, he can have one on monday
08:16 kados       :-)
08:16 kados       ahh
08:16 ToinS       kados: in fact, he is back now... BUT he has no internet connection yet
08:15 kados       ToinS: I have some additional information about how budget-based acquisitions are buggy in rel_2_2
08:15 kados       ToinS: when will paul be back?
07:54 alaurin     salut, tu vas bien ??
07:54 ToinS       salut alaurin
07:39 johnb       Kados: Is someone working on holiday management?
07:33 ToinS       ok
07:33 kados       just wondering
07:33 ToinS       kados: why ?
07:33 ToinS       kados: no
07:33 kados       ToinS: have you looked at the holiday management feature in HEAD?
07:21 ToinS       yep
07:21 kados       ToinS++ :-)
07:21 ToinS       hehe
07:21 kados       wow, ToinS is really cooking on the commits :-)
02:16 Burgundavia hey ToinS
02:13 ToinS       hello world
19:37 mason_      and dont forget about my Vbasic port!
19:37 thd         MrDys: once you are done fixing the bugs, I will report some more bugs, including all the new bugs that your fixes will have introduced :)
19:34 MrDys       hehe okay
19:34 thd         MrDys: please fix all the bugs, nevermind to whom they are assigned
17:45 MrDys       are any bugs up for grabs or is it just the assignee or what?
17:10 chris       cool
17:10 MrDys       got a bugzilla account
17:06 kados       hehe
17:06 russ        crikey dewey is on form today
17:06 chris       have you seen http://bugs.koha.org ?
17:06 dewey       Gibble, Gobble, we ACCEPT YOU ...
17:06 mason       yow
17:05 MrDys       hehe it's very much thursday afternoon here in vancouver
17:05 mason       a seriously underrated development framework
17:05 chris       mrdys: friday morning humour ... its been a long wet week for us nzers :-)
17:04 mason       lol L)
17:04 dewey       And furthermore, my bowling average is unimpeachable!!!
17:04 MrDys       yow
17:04 mason       porting koha to run on Vbasic and access
17:04 mason       i could always do with some help on my personal project...
17:03 MrDys       I'm working on setting up a local installation
17:00 MrDys       alrighty
16:58 kados       yep
16:58 chris       bug fixing is another
16:58 kados       usability testing would be one way
16:58 kados       so ... back to how you can help
16:57 kados       and always looking for programmers with a library background :-)
16:57 kados       we've got a few positions opening up
16:56 MrDys       ...if  you say so
16:56 kados       seriously :-)
16:56 MrDys       so I'd like to kinda work on this as a way to meld the two worlds
16:56 kados       send me a resume: jmf AT liblime DOT com
16:55 kados       I run liblime.com
16:55 kados       :-)
16:55 MrDys       and library school just isn't tickling that itch right now
16:55 MrDys       my undergrad degree was in IT with a focus on web applications development/usability
16:55 kados       we need more librarians involved in the tech side of things
16:55 kados       excellent
16:55 MrDys       I'm currently in library school
16:54 MrDys       well...here's my story
16:54 kados       in what way would you like to help?
16:54 kados       there's lots to do :-)
16:53 kados       ahh
16:53 MrDys       more like...how can I help?
16:53 kados       MrDys: so how can we help?
16:53 kados       MrDys: :-)
16:53 dewey       really are quite different
16:53 kados       MrDys: really?
16:52 MrDys       ...koha
16:51 kados       MrDys: what's the project?
16:50 MrDys       who do I talk to about that?
16:49 MrDys       so...I'd like to start helping with this project
14:08 kados       it is changed as it is edited
13:59 thd         kados: I mean the record blob stored in an SQL database.
13:57 thd         kados: does the record blob change as it is edited or is it only filled on initial import.
13:43 kados       so that shouldn't be a problem
13:43 kados       in 2.4, records are stored in their entirity in one sql field
13:42 kados       yes
13:35 thd         kados: are you still here?
13:33 thd         /msg kados kados: records need to be able to come out of Koha losslessly for me to be able to market it in good faith
13:31 kados       thd: I'm here
13:30 thd         kados: if not I will try to find you again later :)
13:28 thd         kados: are you there?
12:48 thd         kados: are you still there?
12:37 thd         kados: that would be semi-public
12:37 thd         kados: listing the liblime public directory contents is forbidden
12:30 thd         kados: what protocol is used for the liblime public directory?
12:29 cm          thanks guys for the pointers.  got to get back to it now.
12:28 kados       doesn't check leader lenght
12:28 kados       though it needs updating I see
12:27 kados       it's in the /public/ dir on liblime.com
12:27 kados       it's not committed
12:27 thd         kados: what directory is that in
12:27 kados       roundtrip.pl is a fairly good example
12:26 thd         kados: as an example
12:26 thd         kados: yes but there should be at least one generic script for modification
12:26 kados       they really need to be customized for each migration
12:25 thd         cm: kados Is right. I should commit some preprocessing scripts soon
12:25 kados       you can think of the scripts in Koha as examples
12:25 cm          good to know.
12:25 kados       because if there are any errors, you won't notice them with bulkmarcimport
12:24 kados       yea, but if I were you, I'd preprocess it first
12:24 thd         cm: bulkmarcimport.pl does it automatically if you have a CVS checkout from rel_2_2 in the past couple of months
12:23 kados       :-)
12:23 kados       http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl4lib/2369
12:23 kados       here's a thread you should read:
12:23 kados       but before you do so, I'd make sure your SAX parser is set up right
12:23 kados       you'll need to use the MARC::* suite
12:22 cm          how do I do that?
12:21 kados       from marc-8
12:21 kados       also, make sure you are converting your MARC to utf-8
12:21 kados       :-)
12:21 cm          yep.  I do like ubuntu.  :)
12:21 kados       just make sure mysql is set up right
12:21 kados       you're all set then
12:21 kados       nice
12:20 cm          thanks.  LANG is en_US.UTF-8.
12:19 kados       should do the trick
12:19 kados       dpkg-reconfigure locales
12:19 kados       locales even
12:19 kados       you should reconfigure localse
12:18 kados       if what you get back isn't 'UTF-8'
12:18 kados       echo $LANG
12:18 kados       cm: also, as a normal user, run:
12:18 kados       cm: some of the standard distros aren't set up currectly
12:18 kados       cm: that will tell you how to set up your my.cnf for utf8
12:17 kados       cm: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=encodingscratchpad
12:17 cm          okay, thanks.  I'll let you know how it all goes.  :)
12:17 kados       at least wtih 4.1 you get the encoding support
12:16 kados       yea, I'd stick with 4.1
12:03 cm          4.1 is in universe though, so I can switch if need be.
12:01 cm          i'm installing koha (the zebra version from your instructions) on ubuntu and 5 is the default.
12:00 cm           hey kados--I was just wondering if there's still the incompatibility with mysql 5.