Time Nick Message 11:16 tumer[A] thd:sorry yes verything is perfect in utf8 but perl 11:15 thd tumer: you merely set Internet explorer to UTF-8 and everything is perfect? 11:14 tumer yes IE is in UNICODE environment 11:14 thd tumer: So Internet explorer is doing the work for you? 11:14 tumer any record we produce is utf8 with composed characters 11:13 tumer any accented character from the keyboard in the browser is unicode and composed anyway. No problem there 11:12 thd ? 11:12 thd tumer: how does your Turkish character composition system function so that the user can type in a non-UTF-8 environment and see an immediate display as if the environment were UTF-8. 11:11 tumer thd:i do not. I expect the user to have UNIcode environment by the way which IE acts in 11:10 thd tumer: I am referring to how you have described solving this problem for the record editor where the user does not have a UTF-8 environment. 11:10 tumer thd:there is a discussion about this in YAZ list talking about characters and LC 11:09 thd tumer: also, do you have the record editor refreshing on every character input to show characters in their composed state? 11:09 tumer thd:i am getting confused here.The problem is marc8 to utf8 conversion and what we andertand from conversion 11:07 thd tumer: but how is your code able to act between keyboard output and browser input? Have you rewritten the MS Windows keyboard driver? 11:06 tumer thd after marc8 to utf8 conversion you need this. and only then 11:05 tumer after I import records from LC 11:05 thd tumer: so where and how does your code run to implement that? 11:04 tumer thd:any keyboard 11:03 thd tumer: Does the user have to enter precomposed characters according to a precomposition scheme that you have devised or just type normally as one would using any Turkish keyboard? 11:00 tumer thd:no they all appear in their composed state 11:00 thd tumer: however, with your composing scheme do the accented characters typed in an editing session appear as double characters before saving the record? 10:58 tumer thd:one has to map all precomposed utf8 characters to there composed utf8 state 10:57 thd tumer: how had Index Data proposed to address the second problem? 10:57 tumer currently i have written a composing scheme for the Turkish characters only which solves it 10:57 thd tumer: Code to convert input from 8859 to UTF-8 may be addressed for the record editor but that would only work well for completely new and empty records. 10:56 tumer kados:the second problem is more universal. Indexdata at one point decided to solve it 10:55 thd tumer: if you do not have clients with a UTF-8 environment for the record editor that is a more difficult problem. 10:54 tumer kados:copy the search term to search screen and test it there 10:54 kados tumer: so I can't test that 10:53 kados tumer: I don't have my zebra system adding/editing things yet 10:53 tumer you will notice that you need to backspace rather then one 10:53 kados thd: yes 10:53 thd kados: so this is more than merely the font problem? 10:53 kados tumer: in the MARC editor? 10:53 tumer 2nd problem. try to delete any of the accented characters 10:53 kados tumer: there are other problems too? 10:52 kados tumer: it's perl trying to do too much :-) 10:52 kados tumer: and it should be simple to fix 10:52 kados tumer: yes, I get that one 10:52 tumer kados:did you get that. Thats problem 1 10:51 thd tumer: I started to set up some changes to the CSS for the templates but I fell asleep after the first one and had too much work to do so I never committed any changes to the CSS for this problem. 10:51 tumer now when this happens all the other turkish caharacters on my tempklate turn to that 10:51 kados perl is re-encoding utf8 as utf8 10:51 kados somewhere along the line 10:51 kados I can tell you what's happening 10:50 kados ahh ... yes, I see now 10:50 tumer look where it says you searched for 10:50 kados and in firefox it seems 10:50 kados i did ... it works fine for me in safari 10:50 tumer copy that term and serach for it 10:50 tumer kados: you can see it all fine so do i 10:49 kados tumer: in safari browser 10:49 kados tumer: I can search for 'Örneklerle ' just fine 10:49 thd tumer: I experimented on my system and looked at most every common font set on my system to see what worked and what did not one weekend about three months ago. 10:48 kados tumer: I will try the search 10:48 tumer thd:diplaying of utf8 characters IE is rated best and Firefox the worst 10:48 kados owen: not sure about 101 ... definitely on 100 port 9900 10:47 thd tumer, owen: the fonts in all templates give priority for fonts which produce gibberish when confronted with accented characters in UTF-8. 10:46 tumer its not a font problem. It destroys rest of my page which contains those characters as well 10:46 thd tumer: no but the reason is font problem that I never fixed after spending a weekend exploring it. 10:45 tumer where it says you searched for? 10:45 thd tumer: does it not work on your system. 10:45 tumer thd:does the term display correctly on the search results? 10:44 thd tumer: when I copied an accented term it worked fine for me. 10:44 thd tumer: as I actually wrote many months ago in discussing this very issue in this same place we will need a layer of code to translate the encoding of queries from ISO-8859 to UTF-8 10:43 tumer do a search with term "yasa" and get this record. Copy any accented term and paste it into search 10:42 tumer thd:no it does not help 10:42 thd tumer: so if it works when copying the text as displayed with the record then the problem is manageable 10:40 owen No idea. 10:40 tumer owen:do you use much marc8 to utf8 conversion there? 10:39 tumer oh sorry 10:39 owen Sorry tumer, by 101 I'm referring to the IP address of one of NPL's servers 10:38 tumer owen:official port for Z39.50 is 212 and for zebra is 346 althogh you may use any free port 10:37 owen kados: should a z3950 be working on 101? 10:36 tumer then try to search the record with the accented characters that you see 10:36 thd paul: papers published in recognised journals are important to establish credibility for Koha. 10:35 tumer search for yasa at zoomopac.liblime com 10:35 tumer thd:no i cannot. I have to copy the term from the record 10:34 thd paul: 'booth babes' are attractive women intended to lure convention attendants to what is on offer at a particular booth. They are usually not a proper part of the sales team but merely an extra advertisement at the convention itself. 10:34 thd tumer: can you search your records successfully using terms with ASCII characters only or by copying text from a found record even if it looks odd?? 10:33 paul dev_week, definetly ! 10:33 tumer paul:have to decide which to keep 10:33 paul yes, I know, but we will have to synch them one day ! 10:33 tumer paul:dev_week biblio.pm is very differnt to head 10:32 paul and you also will have to synch dev_week & head, although he won't work on catalogue stuff until some weeks 10:32 paul I think yes 10:31 paul kados : a quick question about ToinS goals : do you think we should synch rel_2_2 and head before he start working on code cleaning ? 10:31 tumer paul:the problem is marc8 to utf8 conversion. I just remembered UniMARC does not use marc8, sorry 10:29 tumer kados: can you see this record? 10:28 tumer also if you copy and paste it in your search on the screen it turns into funny characters 10:27 tumer because the character ö is not one character but 2 10:27 tumer you will not find it 10:26 paul feel free to make some suggestions 10:26 tumer try to search for örneklerle which displays corerctly 10:26 paul note to everybody : ToinS started working on koha head to do 1 month of code cleaning. We have updated the wiki (coding guidelines & added a page about code cleaning) 10:26 tumer kados:the characters displays correctly 10:25 paul what could I see tumer ? 10:25 tumer kados: the problem persists and this paul should see too. I'll explain 10:23 kados tumer: the characters seem to be OK on my system ... do they look OK to you? 10:23 paul but it seems it's not what they do usually 10:23 paul that's what I think too. 10:22 paul until 3 months after physical publication, where I could publish it myself 10:22 kados paul: otherwise, it doesn't make sense 10:22 kados paul: I think they _must_ license it under creative commons or something similar 10:22 paul I don't think so 10:22 kados paul: and available online? 10:22 paul yep. 10:22 osmoze forbidden to publish it on koha-fr.org website <-- it's not really open ^^ and don't follow idea of koha community 10:22 kados paul: it would be in French? 10:21 kados tumer: zoomopac.liblime.com ... imported turkish stuff 10:21 paul i'm not sure. pierrick says "definetly yes" 10:21 paul important or not to write in such papers ? 10:21 paul my question : do you think it's ! 10:21 paul (strategic & technically. From Release Manager to Perl coding lines) 10:20 paul it's a paper about "how koha developpement is organised" 10:20 paul oups... 10:20 paul I answered that the licence was impossible for me, i want to publish it on koha-fr.org, even if it's 3 months after physical publication 10:20 osmoze paul , write a paper about ? 10:19 paul i answered that "quickly" was impossible due to my move. they agreed. 10:19 paul - to be done quickly. 10:19 paul - forbidden to publish it on koha-fr.org website 10:19 paul - very poorly paid (25¤/page) 10:19 paul it will be : 10:18 paul i've been contacted by a computer paper ("programmation linux" = "linux programming"). They want me to write a paper, something like 20/25 pages. 10:18 tumer kados:you mat have them at http://library.neu.edu.tr/testrecords 10:18 paul a quick question to everybody reading the channel 10:17 kados slef: i haven't seen it :-) 10:17 kados slef: you would have heard that :-) 10:15 slef I heard ALA has right-wing nutjobs defending the war in Iraq 10:13 kados ok, no prob :-) 10:13 paul ok, i'll investigate, but that will be after my move 10:13 kados tumer: ok ... 10:13 kados paul: it never shows up in the order history 10:12 tumer they are straight from LC i'll add 090 for them 10:12 kados paul: when you try to recieve an order, it won't recieve it 10:12 kados tumer: I need to write a script to add a 090 before I can index them 10:12 kados tumer: they didn't index because they don't have 090 :-) 10:11 tumer kados:have you indexed my records? your search does not find them 10:10 paul "booth babes" ??? 10:10 kados (/me wishes) 10:10 kados and when you try to recieve an order 10:10 kados like who created it 10:10 kados lots of information doesn't show up in the templates 10:10 kados paul: try to create a vendor, and an order, and a basket 10:10 paul hi kados. 10:09 kados paul: do you have a 'empty' rel_2_2 install? 10:09 kados hi guys 10:08 paul I just hear that he founded some problems, but I don't know which one 10:08 paul no, I didn't 10:08 owen paul, you didn't by any chance hear anything from kados about full acquisitions did you? 10:06 paul he should come back i think 10:06 paul i suggested to come here in our european afternoon 10:06 owen Is Strait here now? 10:06 owen Yes, I saw something in the logs yesterday 10:06 paul he finds some bugs in npl templates, and wanted to report them. 10:05 owen Hi paul 10:05 paul I was speaking with Strait this morning. 10:05 paul hello owen. 08:58 slef hi all. I've been told 'Library Trends' attributed koha to Australia. Anyone get that and/or anyone else want to correct it? 08:11 thd tumer[A]: are you there? 07:27 dewey toins: no idea 07:27 ToinS dewey parle japonnais ? 07:24 hdl niihau mai. 07:23 hdl bonjour en japonais. 07:22 btoumi_away niihau? 07:20 dewey niihau, btoumi_away 07:20 btoumi_away hi dewey 07:15 btoumi_away en tous c toujours mieux qu'il y a quatre ans 07:14 btoumi_away ;=) 07:14 btoumi_away c juste un match de plus 07:14 paul oui, mais être élminé en 1/4 contre le brésil, ca la fout - mal qu'ne 8° contre l'espagne ! 07:13 btoumi_away et oui la video c bien mais platini veut pas 07:13 ToinS et même plus l'arbritrage informatisé.... 07:13 btoumi_away de ctoute facon je pense que la france sera pas en finale 07:13 ToinS vive l'arbritrage vidéo ! 07:11 btoumi_away peut etre in peu trop a mon gout 07:10 btoumi_away du coup pluie de carton jaune 07:10 btoumi_away non mais y a des nouvelles regles 07:10 paul cartons à gogo injustifiés, buts refusés, pénalties imaginaire 07:10 paul je dirai surtout que c'est une vraie faillite l'arbitrage ! 07:10 btoumi_away l'arbitrage 07:09 paul + strict ? 07:09 btoumi_away c beaucopup plus stricte qu'avant c sur 07:09 btoumi_away clair 07:09 paul et puis vu l'arbitrage jusqu'à maintenant, ca introduit une incertitude supplémentaire ;-) 07:08 paul btoumi_away: pas faux, mais en même temps, 1 but c'est si vite marqué ! 07:08 btoumi_away c clair aussi 07:08 paul pour ma part, je ne ferai jamais de pronostic, c'est par trop imprévisible le foot ! 07:08 btoumi_away non mais avec les match q'a fait la france je vois plus ca et en plus l'equipe d'espagne n'est pas mauvaise c pas le togo 07:05 osmoze t es defaitiste btoumi 07:03 btoumi_away france 0 espagne 1 06:29 osmoze brazil 3 - ghana 0 06:29 osmoze france 1 - spain 1 05:20 chris :) 05:20 paul sounds ok to me ;-) 05:20 chris france 2 - spain 1 05:20 chris brazil 3 - ghana 1 05:20 paul I hope yes, of course. 05:20 paul that's a good question... 05:19 chris paul, will france beat spain? 05:19 paul bye rach 05:19 rach have a good day 05:10 rach much better for you than eating a pie at your keyboard 05:09 osmoze so, go to lunch 05:09 chris :) 05:09 osmoze long ? 2 week only ^^ 05:08 paul chris: remember we have long holidays in France ;-) 05:08 osmoze ok, i ll be back on 20th july 05:08 chris ahh cool, ill tell him that 05:08 osmoze lol, that why i don't have children at this moment :) 05:07 osmoze chris, if he want, after my hollidays, i can do the conversion 05:07 rach ah no, I had about 3 hrs sleep last night and i'm not wearing my glasses :-) 05:07 osmoze it's nothing rach :) it's my bad english ^^ 05:06 rach sorry osmoze I misinterpreted that 05:06 chris hi osmoze :) 05:06 chris its still on the dvd's as far as i know, i can hurry him up for ya 05:05 chris russ hasnt converted it 05:05 osmoze hi chris :) 05:05 chris i dont think so yet 05:05 chris ? 05:05 rach yes I would think so 05:04 osmoze rach, is it possible to download the kohaconf video ? 05:04 paul osmoze: ask rach ! 05:03 osmoze de la kohaconf 05:03 osmoze paul, au fait, les videos sont dispo quelque part ? 05:02 rach wow you have 3 boys don't you? I bet you'll appreciate the extra room :-) 05:01 paul but from 80m2 to 120m2 05:01 paul from marseille to marseille. 05:01 paul yep 04:59 rach are you moving house? 04:59 rach yes 04:59 paul my main concern atm, is my personal move (next saturday) 04:59 paul of, fortunatly ! 04:59 paul you mean the devWeek ? 04:59 rach hi paul, are you all recovered from the conference? 04:57 paul hi Rachel 04:57 Rachel it's busy today in #koha 04:08 Strait they speak very bad finnish ;) 04:07 Strait although finnish versions do exist 04:07 Strait the problem is that it's next to impossible to fit finnish words in them 04:06 Strait i could use the default templates for now since z39.50 works in them 04:06 Strait ok, i'll try to meet him later then 04:05 paul not really. owen & kados are in Ohio, so east US 04:05 Strait that's not the middle of the night then 04:05 Strait ah, ok 04:05 paul kidding dewey ;-D 04:04 paul so owen should arrive in 6/7 hours 04:04 dewey rumour has it something is not recognising the value actually in the leader 04:04 Strait or something 04:04 Strait so it's in the middle of the night for me :D 04:04 Strait yep 03:56 paul (you're from finland isn't it ?) 03:56 paul Strait: owen is from US, and usually appears on the chanel in US morning 03:55 Strait and i have some fixes for his templates too, like i said 03:55 Strait it would be nice to talk to him 03:55 Strait where can i reach this owen person? 03:37 Strait but some of them beat me 03:37 Strait i've managed to fix some of them 03:36 Strait there are some other bugs in them too 03:36 paul owen is the npl templates designer 03:36 dewey somebody said owen was hardly ever in direct contact with kados. We communicate here. 03:36 Strait owen? 03:35 Strait hi paul :) 03:34 paul ) 03:34 paul (hello Strait 03:34 paul then you should bug owen. 03:32 Strait with default templates it works 03:32 Strait hmm, it doesn't work properly with english npl templates either 03:29 Strait doesn't work with my translated templates 03:29 Strait Z39.50 broke down :( 03:28 Strait bugger 02:33 osmoze hello 02:33 paul plein de francais ce matin ... 02:26 btoumi_away i commit updatabase today 02:24 btoumi ok thanks 02:23 btoumi is it ok? 02:23 paul btoumi: yep. 02:23 btoumi salut toins 02:23 btoumi do u remember last time i ask u for a field (null or not) i have the same problem title,phone and i do the same 02:23 ToinS salut tous ! 02:20 hdl hello 02:18 btoumi hi :paul 02:18 paul yep. hello everybody 02:18 btoumi ? 02:18 btoumi :paul are u around 02:18 btoumi hi strait 02:16 Strait morning :) 02:05 btoumi hi all 19:08 thd kados: what happened with tumer's record searching problem? 15:50 tumer searching in power does not find it 15:50 tumer searhing in simple mode crashes 15:49 tumer hi chris 15:48 chris http://66.213.78.100/ how bout that then tumer? 15:47 tumer points to some local IP 15:47 tumer kados:http://zoomopac.liblime.com/ is not available 15:45 tumer[A] ok 15:44 kados tumer[A]: give it a try 15:44 dewey hmmm... http://zoomopac.liblime.com/ is working now wher do i look 15:44 kados tumer[A]: http://zoomopac.liblime.com/ 15:21 tumer thd:i have to attend the server - be back 15:20 thd tumer: Newly created records would be an easier case where the input encoding could well be tested. 15:20 thd tumer: Maybe it is merely more complex to test the input encoding for the record editor. 15:17 thd tumer: if you are attempting to create characters for the record editor that may be a problem for MS-Windows unless there is some way in the latest version to switch to UTF-8 mode. 15:16 tumer thd:is this correct for everybody or for windows people i wonder 15:16 thd tumer: composing characters for the record editor is another problem. 15:15 thd tumer: composing characters for searching will require a layer of code to process the input from whatever the user has input into the search form and convert the input from whatever it starts as to UTF-8. 15:15 tumer they are from LC 15:15 tumer thd:try these http://library.neu.edu.tr/testrecords 15:14 tumer http://library.neu.edu.tr/testrecords 15:14 tumer thd: they look fine but not the same to what i can produce with the marc editor 15:13 thd tumer: so your records are fine then? 15:12 tumer about searching 15:12 thd s/searching/composing characters for searching/ 15:12 thd tumer: Is your problem only about searching or also how the characters are encoded in the records? 15:11 tumer thd i need to compse them 15:11 tumer thd:no they are converted correctly to utf8 precomposed format 15:10 tumer by the way it may be normal. But i need a routine to combine them to thair single character form in utf8 15:10 thd tumer: Do you mean that after M::F::X conversion they are the same? 15:09 tumer thd: yes i know and MFX converts them and keeps them like that on my machine 15:08 thd tumer: MARC-8 use and other ISO library character encodings use precomposition for most Latin languages with an ASCII character and an ASCII modifier to form an accented Latin character. 15:05 thd tumer: precomposed characters are characters used to combine two or more standard characters to create a special character. 15:03 tumer if characters come out right search the words with those chars 15:03 thd tumer: uncomposed is in a Unicode paper but the server with the paper is not responding 15:03 kados tumer: I'll let you know as soon as it's done 15:02 kados tumer: it'll be a few minutes 15:02 kados tumer: re-indexing with your records now 15:01 tumer thd: there is no terminology as uncomposed i used it for reverese of precomposed. meaning not combined together 14:59 thd tumer: how do you mean uncomposed? 14:58 thd tumer: I have not found a definition for uncomposed 14:58 thd tumer: I know the familiar concept that precomposed means now but I had not seen the terminology with enough frequency 14:47 thd tumer: I think I will have to Google now for precomposed and uncomposed to understand the problem that you are expressing 14:45 tumer yes there i saw this terminology 14:45 tumer and now i have the same problem 14:45 thd tumer: Is that where the terminology is from? 14:45 tumer i read about this problem at indexdata YAZ logs 14:44 tumer i dont even know whether the terminology is right either 14:43 thd tumer: what does precomposed and uncomposed mean? 14:43 tumer this is the same for all acented characters Turkish or not 14:42 thd tumer: I do not know the case of Turkish but I have read that Unicode does have multiple encodings for some characters in some languages. 14:42 tumer so in utf8 we have precomposed and uncomposed characters 14:42 tumer this is how windows is behaving 14:41 tumer but to delete the last one you have to hit backspace twice 14:41 tumer they look exactly the same 14:40 tumer the same character is also c and a cedilla combined together 14:40 thd tumer: do you mean there a multiple Unicode encodings for the same Turkish character? 14:40 tumer ç is a utf8 character with an x00x00 (cant remember) hex code in utf8 14:39 thd tumer: MS Windows is never a UTF-8 environment as far as I know but some language sets for character creation or special applications may output UTF-8 14:38 tumer the problem is having 2 different definitions for chars in utf8 14:38 tumer thd:not exactly 14:37 thd tumer: your keyboard will not produce the correct characters unle4ss you have a UTF -8 environment 14:35 tumer my keyboard does not produce combined chars is that the problem? 14:35 tumer they display correctly but i cannot find them in zebra 14:34 tumer the other problem is characters stay combined when converted from MARC8 14:33 tumer ok 14:33 kados ping me with the url when they're there 14:32 kados thx 14:32 tumer i'll put some on my server 14:32 kados ones that you're having probs with? 14:32 kados can you send me some example records so I can test on my system? 14:32 kados is that the only bug? 14:32 tumer anything coming from keyboard or in the template gets mingled while anything from db or zebra is correct 14:32 kados hmmm 14:31 tumer but perl decides to show unencoded characters on the screen ie in templates 14:30 kados so where do the problems come in? 14:30 tumer converting to and back from MARC8 to UTF8 works very well 14:29 tumer i have tried every combination of compatibles 14:29 kados can't you do some tests on your laptop? 14:29 kados unless you are using explicitally 'compatible' versions of the two, as specified in the README, I'm sure you're going to have problems 14:28 tumer otherwise everything else may break down on the server including zebra 14:28 tumer its almost impossible for me to go that back with libxml2 14:27 tumer the problem is non conflicting versions are very old 14:27 tumer kados: i use correct versions 14:27 tumer most of editor problems problems appear with MFX and nothing else 14:27 kados ? 14:27 kados 2. you are working with true UTF-8 records with utf-8 encoding (not just claiming to be utf8) 14:26 kados 1. you're using libxml2 and XML::LibXML (versions that don't conflict, you ready the XML::LibXML README?) 14:26 tumer i am modifying everything very deeply so we may as well discuss at one point 14:26 kados so ... 14:26 kados bummer 14:25 tumer probably have to problems with MFX persisssssst 14:24 kados otherwise, I don't get back until the 28th 14:24 kados evenings are pretty good 14:24 kados if you need to chat 14:24 kados I can make some time in a few hours 14:24 tumer which day are you free? 14:24 kados tumer: did you manage to get M::F::X working for you? 14:23 kados I'm in and out today ... ALA conference 14:23 tumer hi kados 14:23 kados hey tumer 14:23 kados hi guys 14:08 thd s/record/008/ 14:07 thd tumer: if the first position in an 008 is not digit either no record creation date information was encoded or the record has been affected by this bug. 14:04 thd tumer: 008 is a fixed field so if the places are shifted the field is invalid but it is very identifiable correctable in records in which it may have occurred 14:03 tumer very bad indeed 14:02 thd tumer: the older bug is fixed in head but one that I have just noticed loses the date of record creation if blank and shifts all positions six places to the left 14:00 thd tumer: the older bug would forget the type of date in some circumstances 13:59 tumer i dont use it anyway 13:59 thd tumer: you probably have 2 bugs in your 008 plugin 13:58 thd tumer: the authorities record editor has very large bugs that will eat authorities records. 13:58 tumer the bug in 008? what dowes it do 13:57 thd tumer: kados was going to fix the authorities editor after everything was working in the bibliographic record editor. 13:56 tumer ie. the 150x authority may have multiple x's but only one gets transfred to the marc record in edittor 13:56 thd tumer: there has been no work on the authorities record editor 13:55 tumer thd: the authorities does not fill the multiple subfields either 13:55 thd tumer: I am editing records on a client system for kados and have seen no real problems except for a bug in the 008 plugin. 13:53 thd tumer: the old editor is safer, the new one has hidden bugs waiting to bite 13:52 tumer i realized that i am staying with the old editor anyway 13:52 thd tumer: kados is here but he is busy with the ALA convention so that he has not had time to commit 13:52 thd tumer: unfortunately, pauls fixes had not been well tested and reverted to some old problems along with new ones. 13:51 tumer is kados around? 13:51 tumer i did not see any commits ??? 13:50 thd tumer: If you read the logs you may note that Kados has fixed the record editor. 13:50 tumer yes live and kicking 13:50 thd hellos tumer is that really you? 13:50 tumer hi everybody 13:49 thd kados: Interesting holdings management probably does not use the record editor interface on other systems, as other systems would lack a general plugin model but with a special holdings interface other systems might have something.. 13:46 thd kados: I know other big systems are very unlikely to have interesting record editors except possibly for the issue of holdings. So look at what people may be doing with holdings. 13:42 thd kados: there is a bug in the 008 plugin but I will tell you about that later. 13:40 thd kados: especially serials, and built in automated cuttering. 13:39 thd kados: see if you can find anyone doing anything interesting with adding or managing holdings information for records. 13:39 thd kados: However, there is one thing other systems might have for record editing 13:38 kados yep 13:38 thd kados: Koha has far and away the best record editor and will have the best search system. 13:38 kados thd: nobody else seems to be doing anything new, they're mainly selling old technology 13:38 kados thd: with a fancy name :-) 13:38 kados thd: which is just a way to organize subjects togther 13:38 kados thd: the only thing sirsidynix has is 'rooms' 13:36 thd kados: how have you observations of other systems been going? 13:36 kados thd: intermittently 13:18 thd kados: are you there? 12:49 owen But what's the next stage where you see a problem? 12:48 kados owen: maybe we need to file a 'blocker' bug report to get paul's attention 12:46 owen ...but that's the same with the default templates as well 12:42 owen I know that several items are blank on the "New Shopping Basket for..." page (basket.pl) 12:42 owen So first you created a supplier, then you created a new basket for that supplier... 12:41 kados owen: is that enough or do you need more details? 12:20 kados (I always get '0 orders foudn') 12:19 kados and doesn't show up in the order history 12:19 kados and it says '0 bibliographic records recieved) 12:19 kados but it doesn't have the 'recieved by' or 'date' 12:19 kados it generates a receipt 12:19 kados when I recieve 12:18 kados which should show up in 'created by' 12:18 kados I think, at least according to the directions, in order to create a basket, you hav to enter a name 12:18 kados so first off ... the 'created by' doesn't work 12:18 kados ok 12:17 kados let me bring up the test 12:17 kados and it just didn't work :) 12:17 kados and to recieve 12:17 kados I attempted to create an order 12:17 kados well I tried out the acqui system this morning 12:16 kados sorry ... booth is getting busy