Time Nick Message 13:02 slef hi all... anyone alive? 16:41 chris i am now too 16:55 thd is slef alive? 17:47 kados hi all 17:47 kados thd: now would be a good time to chat 17:48 kados thd: I'll be around most of the evening working on zoomopac :-) 17:48 thd kados: on phone 17:49 kados k 17:52 chris howd the boothing go? 17:52 kados not bad 17:52 kados had some great chats with folks 17:52 kados we're boothing with Index Data this time 17:52 kados so it's been great to connect with Sebastian 17:52 kados lots of good ideas floated and such 17:54 chris cool 17:54 chris much interest in koha? 17:55 kados yea, quite a few leads 17:55 chris sweet 17:57 chris lots of booths? 18:06 thd kados: I am off phone now 18:06 kados chris: yea, loads of them ... 800 vendors I think 18:07 thd kados: how does your experience this year compare to last? 18:07 kados it's very similar, though I'm a lot less nervous ;-) 18:07 kados the new zoom search has really impressed people 18:07 thd kados: in terms of the degree of serious interest in Koha? 18:08 kados well ... I'm not really sure a conference is about generating serious leads 18:08 kados it seems more about getting the word out there 18:08 thd conferences are merely advertising 18:08 kados trying to introduce people to this new business model 18:09 thd kados: you mean old business model 18:09 kados heh 18:09 kados for libraries this is a new business model ;-) 18:10 thd kados: proprietary systems will one day be a historical anachronism 18:11 kados we'll see :-) 18:11 kados I certainly hope you're right :-) 18:11 kados but a lot of it falls on the libraries 18:11 thd which were once popular at the end of the 20th and beginning of the 21st century 18:12 thd kados: what is the it that falls? 18:12 kados well ... it falls to libraries to support the open source development model 18:12 kados to take responsibility for developing the technologies that run their institutions 18:12 thd yes I guessed that you meant that 18:14 thd kados: there are other possibilities with a foundation, etc., yet ultimately libraries have to embrace the model or the software from it for it to work 18:14 kados yep 18:22 chris i really do think its becoming a matter of adapt or die 18:23 chris and the libraries that are forward thinking and realise that they need to be in control of the features they offer 18:23 chris will survive 18:24 johnb I agree with you on that one Chris 18:25 chris hi john :-) hows things? 18:28 johnb Pretty Good. Beautiful night here in Northwest PA 18:29 chris excellent 18:30 chris my parents are heading over that way in september 18:30 chris well to pittsburgh and eerie 18:30 johnb Good time to come. Shouuldn't run into too much snow! 18:31 slef slef no longer alive bb tomoz 18:31 kados johnb: seen the new zoomopac? 18:31 dewey I haven't seen 'the', kados 18:31 kados johnb: http://zoomopac.liblime.com/ 18:31 dewey http://zoomopac.liblime.com/ is working now wher do i look 18:32 kados dewey: http://zoomopac.liblime.com/ is the new zoom opac 18:32 dewey ...but http://zoomopac.liblime.com/ is working now wher do i look... 18:32 kados dewey: no, http://zoomopac.liblime.com/ is the new zoom opac 18:32 dewey ...but http://zoomopac.liblime.com/ is working now wher do i look... 18:32 kados dewey: no http://zoomopac.liblime.com/ is the new zoom opac 18:32 dewey OK, kados. 18:32 kados heh 18:32 kados silly bot 18:32 johnb Haven't checked it out, give me a minute. 18:35 johnb Looks good Kados! 18:35 johnb How big is the test database? 18:35 kados it's 300K records 18:35 kados quite fast :-) 18:35 chris yep 18:36 kados it would be just as fast with 5 million records 18:36 johnb Good size. Very fast results. 18:36 kados because of the way the indexes are built 18:36 johnb Size doesn't Matter?! 18:36 kados nope 18:36 kados basically, there are only so many words in the language :-) 18:36 chris the slowest bit is fetching the images 18:36 kados once you index them all, you're pretty much done 18:37 chris itd be even faster with amazon images turned off :-) 18:37 kados so the db can scale out to something like 50 million records 18:37 kados before there's any noticable speed degredation 18:37 chris unless you add lots of other languages i guess? 18:37 johnb Yeah the pictures slow you down, but they are very sexy to us librarians. 18:37 kados hehe 18:41 johnb Just been playing with the advanced search and power search. 18:42 johnb Welldone, you can get very specfic results very quickly 18:42 kados yep ... it's quite powerful 18:42 kados try an 'exact title' search for 'it' 18:43 kados that's available in the advanced search 18:43 kados try that in another ILS :-) 18:43 chris one little suggestion, purely cosmetic 18:43 kados sure 18:43 chris with the sort dropdown 18:43 chris we could put some javascript to submit onchange 18:43 kados right 18:43 kados that'd be nice 18:44 chris so you dont have to hit sort if you have javascript 18:44 kados yea ... there's quite a bit of stuff we could do to pretty it up 18:44 chris its looking really tight 18:45 thd proximity should be part of advanced and/or power search 18:45 kados I spent some time looking at some of the other vendor search products today 18:45 johnb "it" took less than two seconds to look up 17,000 plus records, very very nice. 18:45 kados and was really suprised how lousy their stuff works in comparison 18:45 chris yeah 18:45 chris i bet it was ugly too 18:45 kados yea, really bad ... and near impossible to customize 18:46 chris this is what i find so hard to believe 18:46 kados basically, most of these companies have stopped development 18:46 kados theyv'e got mostly marketing people 18:46 chris yeah 20 years ago 18:46 kados sales reps, etc. 18:46 thd kados: what was the most sophisticated other search interface that you saw? 18:46 kados and they sell 10 year old software :-) 18:46 chris snap 18:46 kados thd: i haven't seen a more sophisticated search than Koha 18:47 kados thd: or at least, i haven't seen anything they are doing that I couldn't do in 3 minutes using the zoom framework i built for searching 18:47 chris :-) 18:47 thd kados: who had the next most sophisticated? 18:47 kados by merely changing some html in the template :-) 18:47 kados no coding at all :-) 18:47 kados probably sirsi/dynix 18:48 thd kados: can you describe what it had or did not have that was distinctive? 18:48 kados thd: no :-) 18:48 kados thd: I plan to make some lists tomorrow 18:49 kados thd: today I was just kinda browsing 18:49 kados thd: but the idea is ... get a list of everything everyone's doing 18:49 kados thd: then implement it over the next few evenings :-) 18:49 thd kados: how does the current SIRSI/Dynix system compare with Open WorldCat? 18:49 thd s/Open// 18:50 kados thd: I'll have to compare it tomorrow in more detail 18:50 thd s/Open/OCLC/ 18:52 chris what are they giveaways this year? 18:52 chris they=the 18:52 kados hehe ... there are loads of them 18:53 kados librarians walking around with bags and bags of trinkets 18:53 kados really funny to watch 18:53 chris anyone beat a free entire ILS ? 18:53 chris :-) 18:53 kados kinda like a carnival 18:53 kados hehe 18:53 chris yeah i always come home with a bag of swag 18:53 johnb Chris you can always tell the rookies at ALA because they pick up all the swag then can't fit in their bags to bring home! 18:53 chris hehe 18:54 kados hehe 18:55 chris ok im off to watch nz vs argentina in rugby, catch up with you later 18:55 kados ciao 18:57 johnb See you guys later, going to the movies. 19:03 thd kados: Bug 1104 may occur in other instances 19:03 thd kados: I have only extensively tested adding an additional repeated field 19:04 kados thd: it's fixed now :-) 19:05 kados thd: just a missing encoding declaration 19:05 thd yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay kados 19:06 kados :-) 19:06 kados I can't commit the change because it would create conflicts with pauls' changes 19:06 kados but at least the system you'll be working on is fixed :-) 19:07 thd kados: my own system does not work :) 19:07 kados do you have 'TemplateEncoding' defined as 'UTF-8'? 19:08 kados in your system preferences? 19:08 thd kados: yes 19:09 kados for a temporary fix 19:09 kados look for all instances of 'new_from_xml' in addbiblio.pl 19:09 kados and make sure they look like this: 19:09 kados my $record=MARC::Record->new_from_xml($xml, 'UTF-8'); 19:10 thd kados: there is one very scary bug though 19:10 kados which? 19:10 dewey i think which is really annoying 19:10 kados heh 19:11 thd kados: the one where the record is deleted if your IP address changes while editing 19:11 kados heh 19:11 kados nothing I can do about that 19:11 thd kados: what is the cause of that? 19:11 kados without re-writing all the auth.pm stuff 19:11 kados it's not really a bug 19:11 kados it has to do with session management 19:11 thd kados: all of it really!!?? 19:11 kados it's actually a security feature 19:12 kados so that someone can't steal your session 19:12 thd kados: In case you record was captured by the enemy we will prevent it from talking :) 19:12 kados if you want to dispable it 19:12 kados disable even 19:12 kados you can just set auth=0 19:13 kados when defining the template 19:13 thd \kados: yes i would like to disable it on my own system 19:13 kados sorry 19:13 kados this ... 19:13 kados authnotrequired => 0, 19:13 kados change it to: 19:13 dewey kados: that doesn't look right 19:13 kados authnotrequired => 1, 19:13 kados that should fix the problem 19:14 thd \kados: where do I make that change or do I just turn off authentication in the system preferences? 19:15 thd kados: Is the effect to turn off all authentication? 19:15 kados for addbiblio, yes :) 19:16 thd kados: so the change would be made in addbiblio.pl? 19:16 kados there are two paths 19:16 kados you can change addbiblio.pl 19:16 kados which will only affect that script 19:16 kados or you can alter the system preference 19:16 kados which in theory will turn off authentication for the whole intranet 19:17 kados I say in theory because I've never tested it to see if turning it off actually does anything ;-) 19:17 thd kados: altering the system preference would seem unwise for this problem if it can be done on addbiblio alone 19:18 kados yep, I agree 19:18 kados ok ... I'm gonna get busy coding 19:18 thd thank you kados 11:56 johnb nick johnb away