Time Nick Message 19:28 kados hey tumer 19:28 tumer hi 19:28 kados tumer: just sent you an email :-) 19:28 tumer could not sleep 19:28 kados heh 19:29 kados they keep me up :-) 19:29 tumer your mail did not come 19:29 kados hmmm 19:30 kados tgarip at neu.edu.tr the right email addr? 19:30 tumer thats right 19:30 kados strange 19:30 kados sent about 10 minutes ago 19:30 tumer univ server sometýmes goes bezurk 19:30 kados right 19:31 tumer do you know anythýng about thd's new frameworks 19:32 kados yes ... 19:32 kados want me to send you a copy? 19:32 kados they still need some checking 19:32 tumer I have a copy 19:32 kados ahh 19:33 tumer There is a problem if he decides to use 09o instad of 090 fields 19:33 kados of course 19:33 kados he shouldn't do that 19:33 tumer M:F:X can not parse it 19:33 kados right 19:33 kados (but we can of course modify M::F::X as it should be capable of parsing any tag) 19:34 kados (IMO) 19:34 kados tumer: last week I sent you a mail regarding MARC::Charset ... did you recieve that one? 19:34 tumer also all of biblio and addbiblio has to change 19:34 tumer kados: No! 19:34 kados yikes ... 19:35 kados maybe your email server is blocking mail from me 19:35 kados did you get the one I sent about Index Data Support? 19:35 tumer its blocking email depending how busy it is- students you know 19:35 kados wow ... 19:35 kados do you have a yahoo account or something that I can depend on? 19:36 tumer I am still waiting for the indexdata support mail 19:36 kados yikes ... 19:36 kados so at least three mails I have sent ... 19:36 tumer try tumergarip@hotmail.com 19:36 kados let me check if there were others 19:36 kados ok, I'll bounce the messages there 19:37 tumer I want to sort a few more things about Zebra before I come to Marseilles 19:38 tumer By the way I am now using thd's new frame. But 90o instaed of 09o for storing bibnumbers 19:39 kados cool, is it working? 19:39 tumer Yes 19:39 kados 90o ... is that a bug? 19:39 kados tumer: (messages sent to your hotmail account, let me know if you recieved them) 19:39 tumer the problem is tag<10 finds 09o to be lower than 10 so can not be used 19:40 kados ahh 19:40 kados probably bibid/biblionumber should be in 001 eh? 19:40 kados according to standard MARC anyway 19:41 tumer I received 2 mails 19:41 tumer letsd wait and see 19:42 kados 1. Koha Demo of Zebra Integration; 2. MARC::Charset missing Turkish Chars?; 3. Index Data Support Information 19:43 tumer it can be anywhere. And yes 001 is a good choise. ý am merely testing 19:43 tumer I receied 1&3 19:43 kados hmmm, strange 19:43 kados I'll send 2 again just to be sure 19:47 tumer is the 2nd a large file 19:48 tumer it is still not here 19:48 tumer how urgently you need the Zenra-Koha demo setup? 19:49 kados strange 19:49 kados tumer: I need it before the 2nd of May 19:49 kados tumer: as that is when my demo is :-) 19:49 kados tumer: but ideally before then so I can get comfortable using it 19:51 tumer OK. I have to find a way to send it to you. We have a limit on smpt, no ftp server so we have to see what to do 19:51 kados tumer: here's the second email: http://kados.org/tumeremail.txt 19:51 kados tumer: I have an ftp server 19:52 kados tumer: if you tell me your IP address I can enable it for upload 19:52 tumer I can upload there? 19:52 tumer 212.175.151.135 19:53 kados tumer: ftp1.liblime.com 19:53 kados tumer: anonymous user/pass should work 19:55 tumer kados:I'll work on this within 18hrs 19:55 kados tumer: thanks! 19:56 tumer I tried using Zebra1.4 today. But it find 30% less records than 1.35. very strange thing this Zebra 19:57 kados ?? 19:57 kados wow, that is strange 19:57 kados (btw: if you want to clean up the marc21 bib framework and commit it you can put it here: misc/marc_datas/marc21_english/structure_def.sql ) 19:58 kados tumer: i must leave for about 30 minutes ... 19:58 kados tumer: I'll be back soon 19:59 tumer kados: have you any zebra running with koha? 20:56 thd kados: I think that tumer misunderstands the intended temporary use of 09o. Following the example of RLIN, XXo and XXr were meant to hold original copy catalogued record content that would otherwise interfere with Koha local use fields until Koha fields were suitably remapped.. 20:59 thd kados: Koha's use of a numeric test of < 10 for control fields should be replaced by a regex testing m/^00/ 21:03 thd kados: 090 is the second most common place to find LC call numbers, standard for both RLIN and OCLC and formerly for USMARC. 21:07 thd kados: 001 is a single value control field and cannot be substituted for both biblio.biblionumber now in 090 $c and biblioitems.biblioitemsnumber now in 090 $d. 21:12 kados thd: agreed on all accounts 02:43 ToinS hi all 02:43 pierrick hi ToinS 02:44 ToinS pierrick: hello 02:58 hdl hello all 03:06 pierrick hi hdl 03:07 hdl pierrick: hello how are you ? 03:12 pierrick hdl, I'm fine thank you :-) 03:14 pierrick nice WE in Montpellier? 03:14 hdl busy Koha one ;) 03:14 pierrick productive? 03:28 hdl Not much for business, but for friendship yes :) 03:30 pierrick :-) 03:30 pierrick I'm currently trying to understand why Koha is so slow on my computer :-( 03:31 pierrick I've placed some indicators in the Perl code and Perl code execution is fast (less than 100 ms) 03:32 pierrick but when I launch a page, it needs 2 to 5 secondes to get displayed :-( 03:32 pierrick I've tried a PHP script and it displays very fast 03:33 pierrick There must be something with my Apache and Perl 03:41 hdl pierrick: perlversion and apache one ? 03:42 pierrick perl 5.8.7 and apache 2.0.54 04:00 pierrick I've added a time check before and after output_html_with_http_headers, this step is incredibly slow: more than 500ms on my computer 04:01 pierrick hdl, even when I execute the Perl script in command line, it is very slow :-/ 04:02 pierrick (not so slow in fact, but more than one second to display the logon page) 04:13 chris pierrick 04:13 chris it might be worth using the profiler 04:13 chris have you used it before? 04:14 chris http://www.unix.org.ua/orelly/perl/perlnut/ch06_05.htm 04:14 chris its very useful for finding bottlenecks in code 04:19 chris for eg 04:19 chris on my computer at home 04:19 pierrick hi chris 04:19 chris perl -I /usr/local/koha/intranet/modules -d:DProf mainpage.pl 04:20 pierrick I'm installing Apache 1.3.33 to check the problem doesn't come from Apache 04:20 chris hmm 04:20 chris right 04:20 chris dprofpp tmon.out 04:20 chris Total Elapsed Time = 0.305953 Seconds 04:20 chris User+System Time = 0.285953 Seconds 04:20 pierrick chris, how do you have cookies running script by command line? 04:22 chris hmm im not sure, i know you can pass in variables 04:24 hdl chris: on my machine : koha-2.2 : 0.5 seconds on mainpage.pl 04:25 chris %Time ExclSec CumulS #Calls sec/call Csec/c Name 04:25 chris 27.9 0.080 0.080 4 0.0200 0.0199 C4::Date::BEGIN 04:25 hdl chris: on my machine : koha-dev : 1.3 seconds on mainpage.pl 04:25 hdl dprof time 04:25 chris it seems to me that C4::Date 04:25 chris is what is slowing it down 04:25 chris which makes sense since that uses Date::Manio 04:25 chris Date::Manip even 04:26 hdl C4::Date sure, but ZOOM::Exception also. 04:26 chris right 04:26 hdl 59.2 0.670 0.670 3 0.2233 0.2233 Smart::Comments::__ANON__ 04:26 hdl 7.96 0.090 0.100 4 0.0225 0.0249 C4::Date::BEGIN 04:26 hdl 3.54 0.040 1.141 7 0.0057 0.1630 main::BEGIN 04:26 hdl 2.65 0.030 0.030 9 0.0033 0.0033 base::import 04:26 chris ahh 04:26 hdl 1.77 0.020 1.002 5 0.0040 0.2005 C4::Reserves2::BEGIN 04:26 hdl 1.77 0.020 0.040 8 0.0025 0.0050 Smart::Comments::BEGIN 04:26 hdl 1.77 0.020 0.187 8 0.0025 0.0233 C4::Search::BEGIN 04:26 hdl 1.77 0.020 0.029 4 0.0049 0.0073 C4::Database::BEGIN 04:26 hdl 1.15 0.013 0.686 5 0.0026 0.1373 Filter::Simple::__ANON__ 04:26 hdl 0.88 0.010 0.010 2 0.0050 0.0050 AutoLoader::AUTOLOAD 04:26 chris comment out the use smart::comments call 04:26 hdl 0.88 0.010 0.010 1 0.0100 0.0100 ZOOM::Exception::BEGIN 04:26 hdl 04:27 chris it hsould be quite a bit faster with use Smart::Comments; commented out 04:28 hdl Yes. I realized when copying. 04:28 chris :) 04:28 hdl pierrick: Do you have Smart::Comments on your machine ? 04:28 chris its good for testing, not good for production :) 04:29 pierrick hdl, I do 04:29 hdl chris: But ZOOM::Exception coud become another bottleneck. 04:29 chris yep it looks like it could be 04:30 chris maybe we should put profiling code as one of the tasks for the dev week also? 04:30 hdl pierrick: have you seen my dprof and Smart::Comments point ? 04:43 pierrick I've seen, but my problem doesn't come from modules load I think 04:44 pierrick I've tested the total generation time of a page from its beginning to its end and it's good, what's bad is the time to display in my browser 04:44 btoumi hi evrybody 04:44 pierrick hi btoumi 04:44 chris ahh 04:45 chris pierrick, does it make any difference if you change templates? 04:45 pierrick chris, my pages needs several seconds to display (from 2 to 5 at least) 04:45 pierrick working with PROG on HEAD or with default on 2.2 is slow 04:45 pierrick Forbidden 04:45 pierrick You don't have permission to access /cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl on this server. 04:45 pierrick Apache/1.3.33 Server at plegall Port 8080 04:46 pierrick :-/ don't understand what I've forgotten in my Apache 1.3.33 configuration 04:47 chris permissions ok? 04:47 pierrick same as with my Apache 2.0.54 04:47 chris pierrick, does it make any difference if you try a different browser? 04:48 pierrick chris, I go back to Apache 2 and test with a text browser 04:48 hdl hi btoumi 04:49 chris oh and hi btoumi :) 04:49 btoumi hi hdl 04:49 btoumi hi chris 04:51 pierrick chris, faster with w3m but still slow 04:52 chris so it looks like its something to do with it running as a CGI 04:52 pierrick chris, this is just a feeling, I have no times displayed 04:52 chris right 04:52 pierrick I would like to test with Apache 1.3.33 before saying it's a Perl problem 04:53 chris right 04:54 chris if its still slow with apache 1.3.33 04:54 chris what i would do is edit mainpage.pl 04:54 chris change #!/usr/bin/perl 04:54 chris to #!/usr/bin/perl -d 04:54 chris and add 04:54 chris use Devel::DProf; 04:55 chris then when it runs, it will create a tmon.out file 04:55 chris and you can dprofpp it 04:56 chris and it might shed some light on what is slowing it down 04:58 chris when i do that and run it 04:59 chris %Time ExclSec CumulS #Calls sec/call Csec/c Name 04:59 chris 41.7 0.020 0.020 5 0.0040 0.0040 CGI::_compile 04:59 chris thats the slowest thing when running it from apache 05:49 pierrick chris, still very slow with Apache 1.3.33 :-/ I'm trying the profiler you're suggesting 05:49 kados hi all 05:49 kados paul around? 05:49 pierrick hi kados 05:50 pierrick kados, last week, paul said he would be there the first 3 days of this week 05:50 kados today is monday, the first day of the week, right? :-) 05:50 pierrick right 05:51 ToinS paul will be not around the first 3 day ! 05:52 ToinS he 'll come back on thursday 06:05 kados ahh ... I missunderstood pierrick's post :-) 06:05 kados hdl around? 06:06 kados 1. does LDAP support in Koha allow borrowing and reserving or does it only support authentication? 06:06 kados 2. has paul finished the thesaurus support he was working on? 06:55 hdl kados: I'm here now. 06:55 hdl kados: 1) pls detail. 06:56 pierrick kados, sorry I miswrote my post... s/would/wouldn't/ :-) 06:56 kados hdl: I know that LDAP is used for authentication, but I'm not sure if it can be used to check-out, reserve, etc., books to a patron if that patron doesn't exist in the borrowers table 06:58 kados hdl: is that detailed enough? 07:01 hdl kados: you should ask him via email. I know he worked on it, but more on authentication than intranet flags integration. 07:02 kados ok, I will email paul, thanks! 07:02 hdl 2) thesarus support you mean multi level hierarchy ? 07:02 hdl I am working on it. 07:03 hdl (or will be soon) 07:03 kados hdl: (ok, 2, it's enough, thanks) 07:03 kados hdl: mail sent to paul, when you see him, could you ask him to reply asap if possible? :-) 07:05 hdl I shall phone him dureing the week. 07:05 btoumi hi kados i'm bruno from SAN Ouest Provence 07:08 kados hi btoumi 07:08 kados btoumi: good to read you on IRC 07:09 btoumi thanks it's pleasure 07:12 btoumi hdl : paul is here? 07:13 hdl btoumi: No. Not until Thursday. 07:15 btoumi ok i do request to join koha developper group 07:20 kados btoumi: you can ask me :-) 07:20 kados btoumi: do you mean on savannah? 07:20 btoumi yes sorry i believe that u prepare your trip 07:21 kados btoumi: what's your username? 07:21 kados btoumi: on savannah? 07:21 btoumi yes 07:21 kados btoumi: if I have time I"ll add you 07:21 btoumi thanks 07:22 btoumi my username : btoumi 07:22 kados btoumi: ok 07:25 pierrick about my performances problem, using Apache 1.3.33 doesn't improve anything. I've tried using Devel::DProf (can't make it work through Apache) and it revealed Smart::Comments was very slow to load. I commented the "use" statement and now Koha is really faster 07:27 kados hehe 07:27 kados good detective work 07:27 kados Smart::Comments shouldn't be in rel_2_2 07:27 kados if it is, it should be commented out 07:28 kados pierrick: could you remove the 'use Smart::Comments' from CVS? 07:28 pierrick from HEAD? 07:28 pierrick or just in rel_2_2 07:28 kados just in rel_2_2 07:28 kados in HEAD it's ok 07:28 kados since HEAD is not near production-ready 07:29 pierrick I made my test with HEAd, not rel_2_2, I'm going to test the speed of rel_2_2 07:31 pierrick plegall:~/dev/koha/2.2$ find . -name "*.pm" -o -name "*.pl" | xargs grep Smart::Comment 07:31 pierrick revealed nothing :-) 07:32 kados ahh, ok 07:32 pierrick and rel_2_2 is really faster than HEAD with Smart::Comment 07:32 kados wow! 07:32 kados even searching? 07:32 pierrick hum... on rel_2_2, search works 08:59 btoumi msg chris 09:00 pierrick btoumi, I think chris is sleeping now 09:01 btoumi ok it's right i'm forget he leave in nz 09:34 pierrick hdl, are you around? 09:35 hdl yes 09:35 pierrick is it normal reserve can be linked to an item? 09:35 hdl Do they ? 09:35 pierrick in my imagination, it was linked to a biblio, not a specific item 09:36 pierrick in reserves table, you have biblionumber and itemnumber 09:36 hdl In fact, at first sight, it should be linked to a biblio. 09:36 pierrick the two can be set 09:36 hdl BUT. 09:36 hdl when you have a multiple branch library with independatBranches. 09:37 hdl you doNOT want ppl to reserve items on an other branch. 09:38 hdl Thus, reserves mustnot be only on biblio but must be available for an item ? 09:38 hdl . 09:38 hdl Is it ok for you ? 09:38 pierrick not at all, I don't understand what you say 09:38 pierrick on passe en francais si tu veux bien 09:38 hdl ok. 09:39 pierrick chaque branche est liee a une liste d'items 09:39 hdl Une bib a 3 sites. 09:39 hdl 3 sites indépedants. 09:39 pierrick continue... 09:39 hdl Elle ne veut pas que le lecteur du site1 puisse emprunter de livre du site2. 09:40 hdl Or la notice biblio n'est pas attachée à un site. 09:40 pierrick evidemment, ce sont les items qui sont attachés à un site (selon le bon sens) 09:40 hdl Si Site1 et Site2 ont chacune des exemplaires de Harry Potter. 09:41 hdl Il faut que ce soit lexemplaire du site 1 (si le lecteur est du site1) qui soit réservé. 09:41 pierrick je continue à ne pas comprendre la logique 09:41 hdl Explique ce que tu ne comprends pas alors. 09:41 pierrick une bibliothèque a 2 sites 09:42 pierrick le site 1 possède 3 copies du biblio 4321 09:42 pierrick le site 2 possède 4 copies du biblio 4321 09:43 pierrick le borrower 987, attaché au site 2 souhaite réserver le biblio 4321 09:43 pierrick ce serait malheureux qu'il doive attendre un item précis alors que 4 items sont disponibles sur ce site 09:44 pierrick je prends le problème à l'envers, mais je pense que le modèle de données est incohérent 09:45 pierrick je constate cette incohérence en tentant de corriger le bug 668 09:46 pierrick parce que lorsqu'on veut emprunter un item réservé, on supprime la réservation sur l'item alors qu'un réservation est théorique sur un biblio, donc l'annulation de résa ne marche qu'une fois sur 10. 09:49 pierrick a mon avis, avoir l'itemnumber dans la résa a du sens dans certains très très rare, mais si c'est pour résoudre les problèmes de branches, c'est pas la bonne façon de faire à mon avis 09:50 pierrick hdl, je loupe un truc ou ce que je dis a du sens? 09:51 pierrick hi tume 09:51 pierrick s/tume/tumer 09:51 hdl hi tumer. 09:52 tumer hi everybody 09:52 hdl pierrick: Certes, c'est peut-être dommage. 09:52 tumer pardon je ne parle pas français 09:53 hdl Mais mon cas, c'est Harry Potter : 1exemplaire dans le site1, Un autre dans le Site2 09:53 pierrick sorry tumer, we had a conversation specific to reserve 09:53 hdl tumer: sorry we are talking about reserves. 09:53 tumer I thought it was for me sorry 09:54 pierrick hdl, n'avoir qu'un exemplaire par site n'est il pas un raccourci réducteur à la solution des branches? 09:54 tumer Can anyone give me the name of hotel in Marseilles so I can book 09:54 tumer when you are free offcourse 09:54 pierrick tumer, http://www.europe-hotel.fr/uk/reservation/booking_online.php 09:55 hdl C'est assez fréquent en Bib de recherche. 09:56 hdl En fait, la réservation des exemplaires m'a été demandé au moins trois fois. 09:56 pierrick hdl, je ne vais pas m'acharner, à mon sens c'est une erreur de conception et si ça ne te choque pas, alors je n'en ferai rien :-) 10:19 tumer pierrick: which hotel everyone else is staying 10:24 pierrick tumer, the one I gave you the URL 10:25 tumer pierrick:thanks