Time Nick Message 11:59 kados great! 11:59 kados it works! 11:59 kados ahh ... 11:59 paul :-) 11:59 paul % 11:59 kados paul: a secret search perhaps? :-) 11:59 kados paul: is there any way to generate a list of all current subscriptions in Koha? 11:54 kados slef: will you be attending DevWeek in Marseille? 11:54 kados slef: are you here? 11:53 kados ahh 11:53 paul he registered for paris 11:53 kados will slef attend? 11:53 paul I thought pierrick could work on installer 11:53 kados ahh 11:53 paul not me+hdl in the same group I think 11:52 kados HDL and Pierrick maybe? 11:52 kados Tumer, Chris, Me, You? 11:52 kados maybe one group for Zebra 11:52 kados for groups ... 11:51 paul but not sure 11:51 paul kados: no, he just spoke of arriving on sunday 7th 11:51 paul (renater network) 11:51 paul & we will be inside a university, so something like 100MB+ network 11:51 kados paul: did tumer tell you what dates he will attend? 11:50 paul we should have 2 16ports hubs 11:50 kados ok 11:50 paul via wifi or maybe without wifi too. 11:50 kados great 11:50 paul for sure we will have web access 11:49 kados via wifi? 11:49 kados paul: we will have internet access for 100% certain at devweek, right? 11:42 kados ok 11:40 paul (however, devWeek will happend before 2.4, so let's speak of it during devweek !!!) 11:40 paul I did not, but now I may ;-) 11:40 kados paul: do you plan to do this for 2.4? 11:33 paul (would be easier to add the innerloop in form & find something explanatory) 11:33 kados at the very least, it should be in the help file 11:33 kados for 2.4 IMO there should be a notice in red letters warning of this issue 11:33 paul your welcome. 11:32 kados thanks paul! 11:32 paul great ! 11:32 kados ok, called the client, they are happy with this solution 11:30 paul yep 11:27 kados so temporary workaround is to modify inner loop 11:27 kados right ... I understand now 11:27 paul but it will be hard to explain clearly !!! 11:26 paul no, the good solution is to let the librarian enter innerloop is (s)he want to start a subscription in the middle of a "year" 11:26 kados I didn't notice that case 11:25 kados ahh! 11:25 paul so X & Y are inverted ! 11:25 paul N° 1-2006 11:25 paul : 11:25 paul you can't say this, because (at least in france), you often have ! 11:25 kados so IMO inner loop is always the same as 'begins with' for subscriptions with only X and Y 11:25 paul (and innerloop be back to 1) 11:25 paul as innerloop will grow until it reaches 12 (whereas 2006 will become 2007) 11:24 paul right ! 11:24 paul if you have a monthly issue & are in july => set it to 12-6 11:24 kados inner loop in that example should be 6? 11:24 paul then modify the subscription & enter the correct inner loop that is set to 1. 11:24 paul for example : 2006 #6 during creation 11:23 kados 'begins with' ONLY WORKS FOR X values 11:23 paul they coud just create the subscription and then modify it (inner loop) 11:23 kados so for Koha 2.X, let's be unambiguous about it for 2.4 11:22 kados (yes, that example is quite complex I agree) 11:22 kados (ie, 6 issues/months where the serial is not managed in Koha) 11:21 kados or do I wait until Vol 231 to start keeping track in Koha? 11:21 kados just to make sure that the numbering formula is correct? 11:21 kados so do I 'lie' to Koha and say I started av Vol 230 #1? 11:21 kados so Vol 230 #6 maybe 11:21 paul X = year Y = quarter (from school pov : 1 is sept-> dec, 2 is jan->march), Z=month 11:21 kados most likely it will start in the middle of the year 11:20 kados so for example, say I buy a new subscription, it will not start at issue #1 11:20 paul i've already encountered tihngs like this : 11:20 kados of course, but I only deal with one simple case 11:20 paul with X / Y and Z, each having it's own numbering formula 11:20 paul except you have numbering highly more complex than this one ! 11:19 kados it should not accept a Y value for 'begins with' other than 1 11:19 kados if it only accepts Vol. X No. 1 and not Vol X. No Y ...it should clearly tell the user that 11:19 paul then X start with 245. 11:19 kados or I'm starting with Vol 245 No. 4 11:19 kados ie, I'm starting with Vol. 245 No. 1 11:18 kados I thought it was supposed to be used to tell Koha which issue the subscription is starting with 11:18 kados perhaps I'm missunderstanding the purpose of 'begins with' 11:17 paul i disagree with you : it's really "begins with 2006", BUT "use this only 8 times, not 12 as usual" 11:17 kados so IMO it shouldn't allow entry of inproper values 11:17 paul yes, it seems (although it's not because I told them to do like this !) 11:16 kados it only accepts one value 11:16 kados 'begins with' doesn't work 11:16 paul mmm... it's not "it doesn't work at all" => if you start your subscription at the beginning of a year, it works ! 11:16 kados so your clients who use serials always start subscriptions with No. 1? 11:16 kados and there is no warning to say 'it doesn't work at all' 11:15 paul if the problem is not reported by anyone, it can't be fixed ! nobody reported this one (& I don't remember you already speak of this as hdl says) 11:15 kados to the client, it looks like 'begins with' works correctly 11:15 kados I mean there are many examples of similar bugs 11:14 paul what do you mean by "common" ? 11:14 kados paul: a feature is 'advertised' as working, when in fact, it does not work 11:14 kados paul: IMO this is a very common bug in Koha 11:10 kados yes, I agree 11:10 paul the best would be to have the wizard katipo is working on... 11:10 paul but that would be very hard to manage efficiently & without bugs ! 11:10 paul you may be right. 11:08 kados based on the values in the form 11:08 kados or at least it could be calculated 11:08 kados but I still think inner loop could be the same as 'begins with' for Y 11:08 kados I see 11:08 paul but for X it is not (due to the missing of inner loop) 11:08 kados yes, for Y only though 11:07 paul for Y the fact that you begin in the middle of the year is correctly managed. 11:07 paul set back to 1 11:07 paul when more than 12 11:07 paul begins with 4 11:07 paul thus : 11:07 paul 2006-4, 2006-5, 2006-6 ... 2006-12 11:07 paul so your serials will be : 11:06 paul you begin in april. 11:06 kados ok :-) 11:06 paul let me explain ;-) 11:06 paul it deals with the following case : 11:06 kados but 'set back to' is always the same as 'begins with' 11:06 paul nope. 11:06 paul it's the 1st value to use. 11:05 kados it seems redundent when you already have 'when more than' and 'set back to' 11:05 kados in fact, I don't see what the purpose of 'begins with' is 11:04 kados it seems they have not choice but to re-enter them all manually 11:04 kados the client has entered in several dozen serials with 'begins with' set incorrectly :/ 11:03 kados hmmm 10:58 paul where you want to repeat it only 8 times, because you start in the middle of a year 10:57 paul and this value is repeated 12 times. 10:57 paul no, it's the value for the 1st issue. 10:57 kados but I guess that just means 'begin each loop' with 10:57 paul what we need is "OK, we have 12 times a year, but we BEGIN at the issue 4, so for the 1st year, we will have only 8" 10:56 kados right 10:56 paul means you will have 12 times 2006 10:56 paul add 1 once every 12, start with 2006 10:56 kados sure, you can explain 10:56 kados ok, I don't understand, but I don't mind not understanding in this case ;-) 10:56 paul let me explain : 10:55 paul no 10:55 kados paul: shouldn't the inner loop always start as the same as 'begins with'? 10:52 kados serials are quite complex already :-) 10:52 kados yep 10:52 paul the more complex will be to do something a library will understand & be able to deal with easily ! 10:51 kados paul: ahh ... yes that may fix it 10:51 kados hdl: IMO, this is a very common kind of bug in Koha 10:51 paul kados & hdl : ok, good analysis. I think it's not as complex to fix (just enable the library to fill the "inner loop" field. 10:50 kados heh 10:50 hdl Filing a bug, you won't forget anymore ;) 10:50 kados and file a bug report 10:50 kados I'll tell my client the simple workaround 10:49 kados right ... 10:49 hdl I think it is not a very simple bug. 10:48 hdl But I never had time to work on it. 10:48 hdl You mentioned it months ago. 10:48 kados hdl: or did you just now try it? 10:48 kados hdl: did you notice it before I mentioned it? 10:46 kados if so, I'll file a bug report 10:46 kados paul: can you confirm the bug? 10:46 kados otherwise it fails 10:46 kados so it seems the only way to properly enter a subscription is to start with Vol X no 1 10:46 kados definitely a bug 10:46 kados next issue is 295 no 6 10:46 kados when it gets to 294 No 5 10:45 kados ha! 10:45 kados so X didn't update 10:45 kados but in fact it's still Vol 294 No 1 10:45 kados next issue should be Vol 295 no 1 10:44 kados when issue 6 is set to 'arrived' 10:44 kados (ie, the first issue they keep track of is the last one in a series) 10:44 kados set beginning value for X to 294 and for Y to '6' 10:43 kados I created a new serial 10:43 kados paul: ok, I confirm it's a problem 10:36 paul if you have an access to their DB, you could look in issues table if there isn't something hidden 10:34 kados strange 10:34 kados are listed correctly in serial-issues.pl? 10:34 kados Vol 295, No. 1 10:34 paul s/end/en/ 10:33 kados Vol 294, No. 6 10:33 paul so, the subscription should en in 6 more issues. 10:33 kados only two issues for this specific example 10:33 kados I assume they answered 'yes' 10:33 kados well ... when 'end of subscription' is reached, koha asks if you want to renew 10:32 paul (& add a button to "renew subscription") 10:32 paul but koha should told you this 10:32 paul mmm... probably : when you reach end of subscription, you can't change the status of the "waited" issue anymore. 10:32 kados 'the loop is for instance:' 2 10:32 kados could that be the problem? 10:32 paul mmm... how many issues did you "recieve" already ? 10:31 kados subscription length is '6' 10:31 kados but it doesn't 10:31 kados correct 10:31 paul X should increase once every 6 issues. 10:31 kados last value 294 2 10:31 kados set back to 1 1 10:30 kados loop is 2 0 10:30 kados when > 999 9 10:30 kados Once 6 1 10:30 kados Add: 1 1 10:30 kados X Y 10:30 kados they have: 10:29 kados X isn't increased as Y changes 10:29 kados Vol. {X}, No,{Y} 10:29 kados paul: it seems that the numbering formula: 10:29 kados paul: just recieved a call from NBBC 10:28 paul for sure 10:28 kados paul: still there? 09:58 hdl article mis en ligne. 09:49 paul and it's the module that requires the best perfs 09:49 pierrick the function is used is very simple, so I can replace it by core functions if you prefer 09:49 paul it's a very important problem, as date calcs are in the middle of circulation 09:48 pierrick I didn't take into account performance problem, sorry 09:48 paul (question asked on fr.comp.os.perl by me 3 months ago) 09:48 paul do you think Date::Calc is a good replacement ? we've been told that the default date package for Perl is the best to use 09:47 paul we used DateManip for 2.2, but want to get rid of it because it's VERY VERY VERY slow. 09:47 paul pierrick: you've commited something that requires Date::Calc 09:43 kados :/ 09:43 paul did not reach me yet 09:42 kados earlier today 09:42 paul when did you posted this mail ? 09:42 kados paul: but this document is better :-) 09:41 kados paul: I posted a mail to koha-devel regarding the dev week 09:41 kados paul++ 09:40 paul kados: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=devweek 09:28 tumer Thanks paul I'll look into it 09:27 paul Classe Economique A: Larnaca (LCA) Arrivée: 17:55 10/05/2006 09:27 paul ALITALIA De: Marseille (MRS) Départ: 06:20 10/05/2006 09:27 paul return trip : 09:26 tumer via roma sounds interesting 09:26 paul 780¤ 09:26 paul larnaca => roma => marseille (9:15 => 14:20) 09:26 paul no, alitalia is the best : 09:25 tumer IceChat 09:25 paul tumer: cheapest, although longest seems to use lufthansa : larnaca => athens=> franckfort=> marseille (9AM => 18:45) 09:25 kados tumer: which IRC client are you using? 09:25 tumer Is there a problem with IRC its throwing me out 09:24 tumer I have to fly to Paris and then travel to Marseiles. My plane will arrive Paris around 15:00 so I may come on 7th Sunday 09:23 tumer Larnaca 09:22 paul which is your closest international airport ? 09:22 paul tumer: 8-10 will be OK. 09:22 tumer why I am closing aout repeteadly 09:21 tumer kados: I'll try and make the first 3 days 09:21 paul tumer: May 8th is closed in France. So it would be better to come for 9th-11 for example. 09:20 kados ahh ... my bad :/ 09:20 tumer kados: and its in Cyprus not Turkey 09:20 kados tumer: thanks 09:19 tumer kados: Near East university Grand library 09:19 kados tumer: let me know _which_ three days, and we'll make sure to have Zebra the priority for those three days 09:18 tumer say 3 days 09:18 paul how long could you stay ? 09:18 kados no problem 09:18 tumer OK být can not stay all week 09:18 kados tumer: we could really use your skills :-) 09:18 kados tumer: I suggest the dev week 09:18 paul the devWeek, for sure ! 09:17 tumer I have to choose one or the other, wha do you suggest 09:17 paul hi tumer. 09:17 kados tumer: what is the name of your library again? 09:17 kados tumer: you are joining us at the dev week right? 09:17 tumer hi all 09:17 paul (i've asked by pm if he comes to devWeek too, but no answer yet) 09:17 kados ahh, I'm looking at the wrong list 09:16 paul right, but it's registration is only for 2/3 for instance 09:16 kados paul: tumer is not on that list 09:14 paul no, i'm just myself ;-) 09:14 paul I'll add a page in the next minuts with some ideas for devWeek. 09:14 kados paul: do you have a company name? 09:13 kados paul: to add affiliations 09:13 kados paul: I'm going to edit the list slightly 09:11 paul (on the new wiki !) 09:11 kados where is the list posted? 09:11 kados right 09:10 paul that's very important, as 15 means 3 cars while 16 means 4 ! 09:10 kados hmmm 09:10 paul kados: am I missing someone to devWeek : I thought we would be 16+Annaw, and I see 16 INCLUDING annaW. 09:10 kados pierrick: it's working 09:09 paul kados & al : i've recieved tumer registration to KohaCon (2/3 may) 2 hours ago. 09:08 pierrick thank you Joshua :-) 09:08 pierrick $ cat users.auth.php 09:06 kados pierrick: done 09:06 pierrick (that's enough) 09:05 pierrick 3. chmod a+w users.auth.php 09:05 pierrick 2 cp users.auth.php.dist users.auth.php 09:05 pierrick 1. cd conf; cp acl.auth.php.dist acl.auth.php 09:04 pierrick yes, I've seen 09:04 kados pierrick: User authentication is temporarily unavailable. If this situation persists, please inform your Wiki Admin. 09:04 kados pierrick: but it gives an error :/ 09:03 kados hi tumer 09:03 kados pierrick: ok, it's added 09:00 pierrick $conf['useacl'] = 1 08:58 kados thx 08:58 pierrick let me see in my local copy... 08:55 kados $conf['openregister']= 1; 08:55 kados pierrick: I see: 08:55 kados pierrick: how do I turn it on? 08:52 paul (I searched where I could identify myself so many minuts ! ) 08:52 paul pierrick: ++ 08:50 kados yes 08:50 pierrick kados, can you turn on registration on the wiki? (so that our logins are displayed next to our commit messages) 08:50 kados and also have the maintainer of the old wiki forward the url to the new wiki if at all possible 08:49 kados so we need to make an unambiguous announcement 08:49 kados ok, good 08:49 pierrick but much more informations have been added to the new wiki 08:49 paul kados: I hope it's ready : I use it only !!! 08:49 kados i suppose we could request that person add to the new wiki, eh? :-) 08:48 kados ahh 08:47 pierrick because once the temporary migration was made, someone added information in the temporary wiki and other added info in the old wiki 08:46 pierrick we've lost some bits of information but not very much 08:46 pierrick kados, yes of course 08:46 kados pierrick: if so, can you announce it on koha-devel and request that the old one forward to the new address? 08:45 kados pierrick: is the wiki.koha.org site ready in your opinion? 08:45 kados pierrick: I agree 08:42 pierrick go go go :-) 08:39 paul yep 08:39 pierrick paul, as 2.2 release maintainer, do you agree? 08:39 pierrick The bug is minor and old, they can wait for 3.0 08:38 pierrick about bug 659 (age limitations of borrower categories not taken into account), I propose to fix it only on HEAD 08:37 pierrick :-D 08:36 paul much more easier than previous wiki. 08:35 pierrick yes 08:35 pierrick yp 08:35 paul with 2 more spaces ? 08:35 pierrick * level2 08:35 pierrick * level1.2 08:35 pierrick * level1.1 08:35 pierrick * level1 08:35 pierrick paul, I know Dokuwiki very well :-) (using it at least) 08:34 paul (a sublist below a main list) 08:34 paul => how to create a "level 2 list" ? 08:34 paul pierrick: do you know docuwiki well ? 08:31 paul pierrick: you're right. It's fixed 08:31 hdl weird enough... I donot have any cvs message talking about members.js. 08:29 pierrick I suppose he only forget to add to CVS 08:28 pierrick s/would/wouldn't/ 08:28 pierrick hdl, paul must have members.js somewhere, he would have commited without testing the page :-) 08:25 thd hello hdl 08:24 hdl hello kados and thd. 08:24 hdl So Who has sthg to declare about member.js 08:24 thd hello pierrick and kados 08:21 pierrick to validate a "add a member" form 08:21 pierrick members.js 08:21 pierrick paul, I have a problem with members.j 08:20 pierrick hi thd 08:20 pierrick hi kados 08:11 kados morning thd 07:51 paul 'morning 07:51 paul hi kados 07:51 kados hi paul 06:42 paul hello world, i'm back 05:20 btoumi bye chris and good night 05:19 chris bye bruno 05:16 btoumi bye everybody 05:02 btoumi ok 05:01 pierrick bonjour Bruno, j'avais compris :-) 04:59 chris :-) 04:59 btoumi salut pierrick moi c bruno de ouest provence je suis avec paul 04:59 chris je ne comprends pas 04:58 pierrick Hi chris, btoumi and paul 04:57 chris congrats to OM :) 04:56 btoumi great, thnx 04:55 chris paul, ill finish my speeches off tomorrow and email them to you 04:55 btoumi OM won 3-0 yesterday. Soccer, semi final cup for Coupe de France 04:55 chris super 14 week 11 .. getting near to finals time 04:55 btoumi ah;, ok 04:55 chris paul will understand, its rugby season 04:55 btoumi hi chris (it's paul) 04:55 chris not yet 04:54 btoumi ? 04:54 btoumi not in bed (from paul that is near me) 04:54 chris hello bruno 04:53 btoumi i'm bruno from SAN OP 04:53 btoumi hello 04:43 pierrick ne retourne rien 04:43 pierrick pierrick@plegall:~/dev/koha/head$ find . -name members.js 04:42 hdl Ca doit être un oubli d'owen ou autres au moment du passage de default à prog. 04:42 pierrick ??? 04:42 hdl pierrick: le member.js doit se trouver dans le includes du koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/default/en/ 04:41 pierrick (je bosse sur la 2.2 du coup, parce que sur HEAD, sans javascript, on ne peut pas valider le formulaire, oh misère :-/) 04:40 hdl salut pierrick 04:40 pierrick (salut hdl) 04:40 pierrick as-tu rajouté le fichier ? je ne le vois pas CVS 04:37 hdl pierrick: as-tu toujours le problème ? 03:59 pierrick paul, HTML::Template->new() : Cannot open included file javascript/members.js : file not found. at /usr/share/perl5/HTML/Template.pm line 2178., referer: http://plegall:8080/cgi-bin/koha/members/members-home.pl 02:45 osmoze hoooooo, don't speak about beer...it's very hard to forget my beer of yesterday with my coffee 02:39 mason im having my first beer to celebrate :) 02:37 osmoze not here :( 02:37 mason its the start of a loong weekend here in NZ 02:36 mason osmoze even 02:36 mason hi ozmoze 02:36 mason quiety quiet here :) 02:35 osmoze hello 14:22 kados yea 14:20 owen I'm going to Bug it. Should I be using 'branch 2.2' as the version? 14:12 kados right :-) 14:12 owen But I don't want to lose sight of it :) 14:12 owen Since it's a very visible bug I'm inclined to take it out of the NPL templates until it can be fixed. 14:10 kados it's probably not difficult to fix, it would just take a bit of time 14:10 kados but it's related to the 'searchdesc' var not getting populated, right? 14:10 kados afaik it happens for quite a few searches 14:10 kados hmmm 14:09 owen do I need to take that out of the template until we can get a working substitute? 14:09 owen What's the status of the 'you did not specify any search criteria' thing? 14:08 kados owen: am now 13:51 owen kados: you around?