Time  Nick     Message
12:09 griffjon I take it back, it claims it's imported all my records, but they're nowhere to be found.  They don't have ISBN numbers, (though the marc import tool doesn't complain) -- is that causing a problem perhaps?
12:44 griffjon OK, seriously -- the Catalog: MArc Acquisition reports all my records imported -- where do they go???
12:44 griffjon I made sure at least one had an ISBN number, but I can't find even it anywhere
12:44 griffjon they show up neither in the catalog admin tool nor normal book lookup
12:55 owen     griffjon, sorry you're not getting any feedback
12:56 owen     It's the time of day when Europe is off work and New Zealand isn't up yet
12:56 owen     that cuts out 2 of 3 possible continents of tech support
12:57 griffjon ahhh
12:58 griffjon that is something I enjoy about Koha -- it's one of the most scattered and international OSS projects I've seen
13:05 owen     What's your time zone griffjon?
13:08 griffjon EDT
13:08 griffjon -5 I think
13:10 owen     So in a couple hours New Zealand will come online. Otherwise mornings until about 10:30 or 11 are good  for catching France
13:43 griffjon ow that hurt
13:43 griffjon but I think I got my data in
13:43 griffjon the whole marc export/import was a wild goose chase effort for me
13:44 griffjon I used MyODBC Connector for MYSQL to export my books table (reformatted to match the Koha biblio table) from MS Access, then an update query to import it from the temporary MySQL table into biblio and biblioitems
13:45 griffjon I still have to go through manually and assign ISBN/barcode numbers before they become "active" but I expected that step
13:45 kados    griffjon: you imported into the reservoir
13:45 kados    griffjon: use bulkmarcimport.pl instead
13:45 kados    griffjon: it's in the misc directory
13:45 griffjon bulkmarcimport wasn't doing anything for me
13:45 kados    griffjon: misc/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl
13:45 griffjon It parsed a subset of my records, but they never appeared anywhere
13:45 kados    griffjon: well, it's _the_ import script, and it's what everyone else uses :-)
13:46 kados    griffjon: you sure you followed the instructions carefully?
13:46 griffjon trust me, I tried and tried many different ways to use it
13:46 kados    griffjon: you sure you didn't get confused and use misc/bulkauthimport.pl?
13:46 griffjon ooooh, now that I may have done!
13:46 griffjon erm, lemme look
13:46 kados    cause that won't work at all, that script does nothing
13:47 griffjon heh
13:47 griffjon yup
13:47 griffjon ok. :(
13:47 griffjon tab completion + frustration can be bad!
13:48 kados    :-)
13:49 griffjon lemme clear out my tables and try that
13:50 owen     kados, do you know who worked on holidays.pl?  The script says "-TG" is that Tumer?
13:50 griffjon fingers crossed....
13:53 kados    owen: probably
13:54 kados    griffjon: bulkmarcimport.pl will automatically delete data from the database with the -d option
13:54 owen     Have you tried it? Looks interesting, but the interface is javascript-heavy and buggy
13:55 kados    I haven't
13:55 kados    I think paul has though, and reports it works nice
14:28 owen     Congratulations kados
14:39 kados    thx ...
14:39 kados    it's been a huge joint effort
14:40 kados    so really, everyone deserves credit
14:40 griffjon does Koha not care about author first v last names?  IT seems to want it in one field (should it be last, first
14:40 griffjon ?)
14:40 kados    ahhhh
14:40 kados    well, depends on what you're trying to do
14:41 kados    if you have MARC records there are several author fields
14:41 kados    245$c is the author's name as it appears on the item
14:41 kados    100$a is the lastname,firstname
14:41 kados    700$a are additional authors
14:41 kados    (those are the three main ones)
14:42 kados    you shouldn't try to import directly into Koha
14:42 kados    use bulkmarcimport ;-)
14:46 griffjon ahhhh
14:52 griffjon I was thinking 100$a was just the last name, and $c was first name (or the other way around)
14:53 griffjon I'm creating my marcimport using the marcedit
14:53 griffjon BTW, a set of tools to import data into koha without having to learn marc would be great for us non-librarian types
14:54 kados    sure, and we'd love to build them, but noone's sponsored such a set of tools :-)
14:55 kados    if you have a marc dump you don't nee to use marcedit
14:55 kados    unless you need to move things around
14:58 griffjon I have just a basic access db of title, author, and a few notes
15:10 griffjon for bulkmarcimport, which title field gets used?  I've tried 130$a and 240$a and neither are importing
15:29 griffjon sigh
15:30 griffjon I can't even find any more title records to use
15:33 griffjon aha! 245$a
15:57 owen     kados: turns out those changes to Auth.pm weren't what we were looking for after all :(
16:00 kados    yea, just saw your email
16:00 kados    bummer
16:01 kados    both you and CCFLS want that change made
16:01 kados    wish I had time to do it today
16:01 kados    but I'm swamped in a migration involving authorities
16:24 griffjon one last question for the day -- where are the template variables store?
16:24 griffjon er, stored
16:24 griffjon say, for example, LibraryName? ;)
16:24 kados    preferences
16:25 griffjon do I need to add a system preference? the only template pref I saw was npl or default
16:29 kados    well, those are the only two templates by default
16:29 chris    its pretty tricky, if you put another set of templates in the directory, they will show up in the list
16:30 chris    eg /usr/local/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/new_templates/en/ etc
16:30 griffjon that's way more effort than I'm ready to expend right now -- I'm just trying to change the libraryname
16:30 chris    oh thats a system preference
16:30 chris    too
16:31 chris    libraryname i think
16:31 griffjon right... I think I must be blind then
16:32 griffjon lemme try adding it
16:33 griffjon aha! that worked
16:33 griffjon alright
16:33 griffjon with that success I'm outahere
16:33 griffjon thanks guys
03:14 russ     hi paul
03:14 paul     hi russ
03:16 paul     the KohaCon will should be a success...
03:17 paul     at least for May 3rd => we may need a larger room than expected...
03:17 russ     awesome
03:17 russ     yes it has generated alot of interest
03:17 paul     i'm waiting for the list from Ineo, but i'm "afraid" that the 30 places won't be enough...
03:17 russ     do you want me to put up the "Full House" sign on the website and take down the registration form?
03:18 osmoze   bonjour
03:18 paul     mmm, no.
03:18 paul     because there are plenty of places free for May 2nd.
03:18 paul     and I'll request a larger room for 3rd
03:18 paul     + some libraries like SAN Ouest Provence plans to be *5*.
03:19 paul     if we get full, i'll request that only 2 or 3 come !
03:19 osmoze   paul, c est bon, j ai l autorisation pour venir :)
03:19 russ     :-)
03:19 paul     + few other libraries coming with 2 ppl.
03:20 paul     osmoze : great, waiting for your registration at conference.mai06@koha-fr.org => someone at Ineo take care of the registrations.
03:20 paul     osmoze: alone or with sandrine ?
03:21 osmoze   alone :( because she will be in exam)
04:15 paul     osmoze: l'inscription pour le 2 est franchement superflue, amha. mais tu fais comme tu veux !
06:19 paul     yo, pierrick top commiter on head this week ;-)
06:19 chris    :-)
06:19 paul     hi chris
06:19 chris    hes a committing machine :)
06:19 paul     still not in bed ?
06:19 chris    hi paul, just got your email
06:19 chris    not yet, friday night, I can sleep in tomorrow
06:20 paul     (lucky man : with 3 guys at home, wake up at 7:30 every day that god makes !)
06:20 chris    hehe
06:20 paul     are you a javascript warlord ?
06:20 chris    not me
06:21 chris    bob at katipo is our resident javascript guru
06:21 chris    :)
06:22 paul     and almost killed the addbiblio-cloneTag troll.
06:22 chris    have you ever seen monty python paul?
06:22 paul     nope
06:22 paul     but I know who they are.
06:23 chris    the joke i was going to make wont be funny without seeing it :)
06:26 chris    im hoping to do some commits tomorrow, I have some code from Tumer to merge in and commit
06:26 paul     chris : do you still have libraries with MARC=OFF ?
06:26 chris    yes
06:27 chris    2
06:27 chris    HLT, and Rangitikei District Library
06:27 paul     no way to switch to MARC=ON ?
06:27 paul     the first & 2nd libraries using koha isn't it ?
06:27 chris    they dont want to see the MARC .. they are happy its there in the background, but they dont want to see it
06:28 chris    Rangitikei only went live last year, the second public library in NZ
06:28 paul     but with MARC=ON & hide_marc=ON they won't see any MARC tags/labels.
06:28 chris    ohhh
06:28 chris    ill try that
06:28 chris    they are both running 2.2.5 now
06:28 paul     they will just see descriptions.
06:28 paul     & no indicators or any other marc things.
06:28 chris    ill demo it for them and see if they like it
06:29 chris    they both use Full Acquisitions
06:29 paul     that's not a problem I think
06:29 paul     (for marc=on i mean)
06:29 chris    we should have the third NZ public in a few months .. they are converting at the moment
06:29 chris    public library I mean
06:29 paul     how many are there in NZ ?
06:30 russ     2 public so far
06:30 chris    2 public libraries, lots of smaller ones
06:30 chris    and specialist libraries
06:30 paul     hi russ.
06:30 paul     (hi again i mean)
06:30 chris    paul: ill try that on their test sites and they can take a look and see if they like it
06:31 paul     with tabs they should be a little troubled
06:31 paul     but link this with some authorities, and they may be convinced.
06:31 chris    right
06:31 russ     paul do you have a speaker to do the first talk yet on day 1?
06:32 paul     not yet.
06:32 paul     I contacted 3 guys, and all of them declined.
06:32 paul     :-(
06:32 russ     oh dear
06:32 paul     I don't have any more ideas.
06:33 russ     i guess one of us could so something - but that isnt really what you are aiming for is it?
06:33 paul     right.
06:34 paul     + I think it would be better to have something in french for this part.
06:34 paul     otherwise, we would have too much english.
06:34 russ     oh buy us i mean someone within the community
06:34 russ     so you :-)
06:34 paul     :-)
06:35 paul     chris: i'll commit some things (on rel_2_2) that needs a little bit of javascript. i'll explain on koha-devel what is still to do.
06:36 chris    excellent
06:36 paul     if you could take care of it, that would be fine, I don't see how to solve my problem
06:36 chris    bob reads koha-devel so he might have some suggestions
06:36 chris    right, ill get bob to take a look
06:36 paul     (& i'm a dummy at javascript...)
06:36 chris    yeah, im bad at it too
06:37 paul     time to go for some lunch (almors 2PM...)
06:38 chris    bon appetit
06:40 paul     chris: how many lbraries do you have (as customer i mean)
06:40 chris    good question
06:40 chris    i think about 6 or 7
06:40 chris    lets see
06:41 paul     (as NZ is a "small" country, so I was wondering if you have only a few, many, and how much it is from the total)
06:41 chris    lianza, eeo, fred hollows, hlt, rdl, opus, lgnz
06:41 russ     lianza
06:41 russ     oop you had lianza
06:41 chris    unido
06:41 chris    but they arent in NZ
06:42 chris    eesi
06:42 chris    they are in australia
06:42 chris    hmm we have more than we thought I guess, but only 4 or 5 we do regular work on
06:43 chris    when the 3rd public library comes along .. koha will be in 3 public libraries in nz .. which is a pretty good amount
06:43 chris    im not sure how many public libraries there are .. but there arent that many
06:48 chris    i think there are a couple of other libraries we have helped too, special libraries but I cant remember their names
06:49 chris    oh, philanthropy australia
08:43 osmoze   paul K
08:43 osmoze   ?
08:45 admin    hey all
08:46 kyle     I was wondering if anyone could help me walk through comitting my template to cvs
08:46 kyle     I tried connection but I get an error message.
08:46 kyle     I'm trying : cvs -z3 -d kylemhall@cvs.savannah.nongnu.org:/sources/koha co -r rel_2_2 koha
08:47 kyle     and I get this in return: Permission denied (publickey).
09:07 pierrick kyle, I'm going to help you :-)
09:10 pierrick kyle, did CVS asked a password when trying to checkout?
09:23 kados    paul: are you here?
09:24 kados    paul: I found another bug with rel_2_2 (I think)
09:24 ToinS    kados: paul isn't here for the moment....
09:24 kados    kyle: log into cvs
09:24 kados    kyle: https://savannah.nongnu.org/my/admin/editsshkeys.php
09:24 ToinS    he 'll come back soon
09:24 kados    kyle: you'll need to put your public key in there
09:24 kados    ToinS: thanks!
09:25 kados    ToinS: do you know when?
09:25 ToinS    i don't know... sorry
09:27 pierrick hi kados
09:30 kados    hi pierrick
09:31 hdl      hi kados. Did you receive my mail for kohadocs ?
09:36 kados    hdl: yes, but I don't have write access to kohadocs
09:36 kados    hdl: send it to stephen
09:36 kados    hdl: shedges [at] skemotah.com
09:37 pierrick kados, I'll test zebra-plugin early next week
09:37 kados    w00t
09:37 pierrick (and tell you all what's wrong ;-)
09:37 kados    hehe, sounds good
09:38 pierrick (or correct by myself if I understand the backend
09:38 pierrick kados, you didn't tell me if the wiki conversion was satisfaying
09:39 kados    pierrick: it didn't work at all for me
09:39 kados    pierrick: wiki.koha.org
09:39 pierrick what does not work at all ?
09:39 kados    pierrick: I can't view any pages
09:39 pierrick :-)
09:40 pierrick wait a second
09:40 kados    sure
09:41 pierrick better ?
09:46 pierrick kados, can you make sure file data/changes.log is writable?
09:46 kados    sure
09:47 kados    pierrick: ok, it's writable
09:47 kados    pierrick: better!
09:47 kados    pierrick: thanks!
09:49 pierrick OK, chmod seems to have worked :-)
09:50 kados    unfortunately today I have several appointments outside of Athens
09:50 kados    so I must leave now
09:50 pierrick it's an old snapshot of the wiki, so when you're ready to switch, I'll rerun my migration tool
09:50 kados    (I may be back in several hours )
09:50 kados    pierrick: ok, maybe next week we will switch
09:50 pierrick no pb kados, have a nic week-end, read you on monday
09:50 kados    pierrick: thanks again!
09:51 pierrick kados, thanks to you, I only participate to the community :-)
10:00 paul     osmoze: i'm back
10:09 osmoze   can i phone to you paul ?
10:09 paul     yep
10:09 paul     osmoze: yep
10:10 osmoze   do you have a new phone ? Because i think i phone to your house
10:10 osmoze   (repondeur^^)
10:10 paul     04 91 31 45 19. Faut lire la liste infos correctement ;-)
10:10 paul     (déménagement annoncé en décembre !!!)
10:15 kados    paul: got a second?
10:15 kados    paul: I need to leave in 5 minutes
10:15 paul     (on phone, but then yes)
10:17 paul     kados: write your request
10:17 kados    paul: having trouble with authorities
10:17 kados    paul: i created a bulkauthimport.pl script
10:17 kados    paul: that seems to work perfectly
10:18 kados    paul: bibs have link in $9 of a tag and auths have link in $9 of a tag
10:18 kados    paul: http://smfplopac.liblime.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-authorities-home.pl
10:18 kados    paul: search for PERSONAL NAME
10:19 kados    paul: MacDonald, Alan
10:19 kados    paul: (MacDonald, Alan is a real author in the collection)
10:19 kados    paul: results come back fine
10:19 kados    paul: but the # of bibs does not appear
10:20 kados    paul: and the link doesn't work
10:20 kados    paul: I just thought of something
10:20 kados    paul: is it required to set up authorities in the biblio framework before they will work for searching?
10:22 kados    paul: that was my question ... but now I must leave
10:22 paul     ok, i'll answer by mail
10:22 paul     (still on phone)
10:22 kados    paul: thanks!
10:22 kados    bye all
10:22 paul     i'll be away on monday-<wed
10:35 pierrick hdl, see you on monday :-) I'm leaving too
10:36 pierrick (I mean, I'm leaving office now)