Time  Nick      Message
12:35 thd       kados: are you there?
12:41 kados     thd: hi there
12:41 thd       hello: kados
12:41 kados     thd: so what's the URL?
12:42 thd       kados: http://www.voyages-sncf.com/
12:43 thd       kados: there you will find many prices
12:43 paul_away sncf is our national company.
12:43 paul_away the only one for train & tgv.
12:44 thd       kados: there is a special non-changeable type of ticket that has the best price but very limited availability
12:44 kados     ahh
12:44 paul_away you can't get prices cheaper then from there.
12:44 paul      billet prem's (prem's means "first") =>
12:44 kados     paul: woudl it be good for finding a train from paris to Geneva and Geneva to Paris?
12:44 paul      valid only on the train & the date it is delivered for.
12:44 kados     right
12:44 paul      but can be very very cheap.
12:45 kados     should I get a train pass instead?
12:45 paul      yes, you can use it.
12:45 thd       kados: some flights within Europe are less than train fair
12:45 paul      thd : right.
12:45 thd       s/fair/fare/
12:45 kados     thd: yes, but I would like to try the train as I've never been on one :-)
12:46 thd       kados: I do not have all the plane information but I will tell you about the train
12:46 paul      http://www.ryanair.com/site/FR/ and http://www.easyjet.com/splash.asp?lang=fr are low cost companies
12:46 paul      about the train : paris => geneve is not a train, it's a TGV !
12:46 kados     ahh ... what is TGV?
12:46 thd       kados: are there no trains in Ohio
12:46 paul      300km/h between paris & lyon (75% of the distance)
12:46 paul      "Train à Grande Vitesse"
12:46 thd       ?
12:46 paul      => high speed train.
12:46 kados     super train? :-)
12:47 paul      the TGV is something really wonderful : 3hours from marseille center to paris center.
12:47 kados     thd: there are trains in Ohio, but I've never been on one :-)
12:47 paul      faster than plane !!!!
12:47 kados     wow, sounds like that's what I want
12:47 kados     paul: can I get a month pass on the TGV?
12:47 kados     paul: (is it pan-european or just in france?)
12:47 paul      1st class is even better between paris & marseille : in almost all trains, you get a power supply for your computer !
12:48 kados     http://www.raileurope.com
12:48 kados     this seems like a good site for US travelers :-)
12:49 thd       kados: yes that is good from the same national French rail company but but you seem to pay a bit extra
12:51 kados     not too expensive though
12:51 kados     $45 USD
12:51 kados     $90 round trip
12:51 thd       kados: "Using the voyages-sncf website, you can find some amazingly cheap 'prems' fares - for example, Paris to Marseille 25 euros, ... .  But please read the advice below first, and if you have any problems with this site, book by phone if necessary."  Man in seat sitxty-one. How to travel by train from London to Europe : a complete guide. http://www.seat61.com/Europe.htm .  That website has very useful information if the fare can be found.
12:51 paul      http://www.raileurope.com/us/common/how_pass_works.htm
12:51 paul       Seat Reservations and Overnight Travel
12:51 paul      A pass allows the boarding of a train, bus, plane, or boat, but does not guarantee a seat. Seat reservations are optional for most trains but are mandatory for all TGV, Thalys, Cisalpino, AVE, and Italian Day trains and selected EuroCity and InterCity trains and for all sleepers and couchettes. Couchettes. All tickets are sold including any necessary reservations whether selecting a seat or sleeper. If holding a railpass, reservations are sold as
12:51 paul      passholder fares.
12:52 kados     paul: thanks!
12:52 paul      I confirm seat reservations ARE mandatory for TGV.
12:52 paul      it's between 3 and 15 euros
12:52 thd       kados: $90 round trip between Marseilles and Paris is a very good price
12:53 paul      $90 means paris => marseille => paris ?
12:53 paul      then yes, very good price.
12:53 kados     paul: no, paris => geneva => paris
12:53 kados     paul: so a very good price :-)
12:53 kados     paul: but I think a pass would be easier
12:53 paul      probably.
12:53 kados     paul: because I have several days after geneva with nothing to do :-)
12:53 paul      but don't forget the reservation.
12:53 kados     paul: and I may want to explore a bit
12:53 paul      (for TGV)
12:53 kados     paul: right, I will need to make sure to remember that
12:54 kados     paul: thanks
12:54 paul      you should try Lyon (very close to Geneva)
12:54 paul      what kind of things do you want to see ?
12:54 paul      old cities ? sea ? hills ?
12:55 thd       kados: I found that the lowest fare one way from Marseilles to Paris without prems was $88.
12:55 paul      yep.
12:55 paul      (EUR75)
12:55 paul      but it's the basic price.
12:56 paul      depending on your luck, you can get one for 20EUR !
12:56 paul      (and depending on whether you reserve late or soon)
12:56 thd       kados: so reserve soon
12:56 paul      not necessary !
12:57 paul      if the train is empty, the price may be very low 1 days before the trip !
12:57 hdl       soon can be three months time ;)
12:58 thd       paul: aeroplanes never have low prices one day before even if half empty
12:58 paul      (mmm... some very low prices cant be achieved only from voyages-sncf.com & with a ticket you pay yourself)
12:58 paul      guys, I must leave now.
12:58 paul      read you on monday.
12:58 thd       thanks paul
13:05 thd       kados: If you were going to be travelling a bit between other than just Paris to Marseille, Marseille to Genevre then a Eurail pass may help
13:11 thd       kados: otherwise a Eurail pass does not seem to function as a pass for substituted pass fare instead of standard fare.  It seems to offer discounted fare after paying the premium which could only be worth the price if there were several trips within the period
13:13 thd       kados: however, there are many different types of Eurail passes.  The least expensive Eurail pass did not seem to help me because the pass would cost more than my total fares without the pass.
13:14 thd       kados: If you are under 26 when paying for fares, however, you may have a discount.
13:17 kados     thd: unfortunately I'm not under 26 anymore :-)
13:17 thd       kados: how ancient are you now?
13:17 kados     27 :-)
13:18 thd       kados: there is an English language option with a flag well hidden at the bottom of http://www.voyages-sncf.com .
13:20 thd       essential navigation at the bottom only is very poor design unless there is a link to change language or something at the top of the page
13:21 thd       please remember that template designers of the world
13:25 kados     hdl: does the TGV pass cover local trains too? or just the TGV?
13:26 hdl       TGV trains often hav correspondancies with local trains.
13:27 hdl       But some TGV have special fees.
13:28 kados     hdl: I can get a 21 day pass for about $800 USD
13:28 kados     hdl: and I must travel from Paris->Geneva->Paris->marseille->Paris (at least, with no extra trips)
13:28 kados     hdl: do you think it's worth it to get the 21 day pass?
13:29 kados     hdl: how can I tell which trains will be coverd by the TGV pass?
13:30 hdl       seems you should ask raileurope.
13:31 hdl       If you want to travel around. Sure it is worth.
13:31 thd       kados: there are many useful telephone numbers etc. at  http://www.seat61.com/Europe.htm
13:31 hdl       But watch out for how many journey days it is worth.
13:32 hdl       I saw 4  days on raileurope for an international pass.
13:33 kados     hmmm
13:33 kados     it seems Eurostar is not included in the railpass
13:34 thd       kados: approach the passes with some caution to avoid paying more than you would otherwise
13:35 thd       kados: check what the regular fares for you excursions would be against what is covered by the pass
13:36 thd       kados: I had expected that a pass was automatically the best advantage but that does not seem to be true.
13:37 kados     thd: I think it depends on how much travelling you're going to do and where you're going
13:38 thd       kados: exactly, but check carefully to see what applies in the case of EuroStar etc.
13:39 kados     thd: yep
13:48 thd       kados: there are also inter-rail passes but you would not be eligible if you are from outside Europe
03:17 hdl_away  hi pierrick.
03:17 osmoze    hello :)
03:17 hdl       hello
03:20 pierrick  hello everybody :-)
05:47 chris     evening all
05:51 pierrick  good evening chris
06:34 pierrick  anybody here ?
06:34 chris     just me
06:38 pierrick  sorry, I go to lunch, I'll ask my question after :-)
08:20 pierrick  is anybody here ?
08:25 hdl       yes.
08:25 hdl       pierrick:
08:27 pierrick  In circulation page, I don't understand what "previous" issues means
08:27 pierrick  in the code, I read that circulation is only displaying current issues
08:28 pierrick  Why are issues started or renewed the current day supposed to be separated ? (they aren't there is a bug)
08:31 pierrick  (I've corrected the small bug)
08:51 hdl       pierrick: writing ppl you are talking to name before speaking buz him. I had overlooked your problem.
08:58 pierrick  hdl, sorry
08:59 hdl       no pb.
08:59 hdl       pierrick: It is I who was sorry not to have watched out your text.
09:06 pierrick  hdl, do you have answers to my questions ?
10:06 owen      pierrick, are you there?
10:13 pierrick  owen, here I am
10:14 owen      Hi, I was just composing an email in response to your posts about the templates
10:14 owen      I think you raise some good points
10:14 pierrick  :-)
10:14 owen      Fieldsets are a great idea
10:14 owen      And I agree that form buttons aren't always necessary
10:15 owen      Often I was using them for the sake of consistency
10:16 owen      visual consistency, that is
10:17 pierrick  http://le-gall.net/pierrick/images/koha_fancy_head_menu.png
10:17 pierrick  prettier menu for PROG
10:17 owen      With prog, we're not concerned about pretty.
10:17 owen      The prog templates are for programmers only
10:18 owen      Never to be used for the public
10:18 pierrick  Well, there is not pretty and ugly...
10:18 owen      :)
10:19 owen      anyway, it should be a stylesheet issue. The only places where we need to come to a consensus are things like form buttons vs. links
10:25 pierrick  (menu was just for me, I didn't want to commit my 10 lines of CSS ;-)
10:33 kados     morning guys
10:35 pierrick  good morning joshua
11:19 hdl       moring guys
11:20 thd       hdl good morning
11:46 thd       hdl: Is there no inexpensive way to travel from Marsielle to Madrid without returning to Paris and departing from Paris.  Would you know?
11:49 hdl       try Thalys.
11:50 hdl       I know it goes to Spain... maybe Madrid.