Time Nick Message 11:58 thd pierrick: I am pleased to know that there is no absolute commitment to an in house proprietary ILS where they might want to protect the market they had already with their own in house software. 11:55 pierrick what I'm sure about is that INEO waits for a first complete success project with Koha, that's why I'm here 11:53 thd s/scalability/performance and response time scalability/ 11:53 pierrick I don't know the strategy in the long run thd, I know things and I guess others :-) 11:53 thd pierrick: large is also an issue for scalability to collections with millions of records. 11:52 thd pierrick: I should have said libraries with complex collections and complex record needs 11:51 thd pierrick: well large is perhaps not the appropriate term 11:50 pierrick what do you call a "large library" ? 11:50 pierrick I believe that if first experiences are really positive, INEO will try to promote Koha in larger libaries 11:50 thd pierrick: I was trying to gauge the interest Ineo had in improving the features of Koha so that it could serve large libraries. 11:48 thd pierrick: I was trying to discover if Ineo would plan only to have Koha serve small libraries even if it could serve much larger libraries in future. 11:47 pierrick why those questions ? 11:46 pierrick s{do be}{to be} 11:46 pierrick thd, INEO has some partnership with several ILS I think (do be confirmed) 11:45 pierrick (and for myself, working as an integrator is something new, I used to work for an editor previously) 11:45 thd pierrick: So Ineo, has no vested interest in any particular system except for the user management system that you described. 11:45 pierrick Koha participation is something new to INEO 11:43 pierrick yes, INEO is a software integrator (and not a software editor) 11:42 thd pierrick: Does Ineo markets services using other companies software based on whatever software is best suited to the library? 11:42 pierrick but INEO does not develop any ILS, they integrated the more appropriate ILS depending on customer needs 11:41 pierrick such as one computer can only open the OPAC 11:41 pierrick I mean... for computers in libraries 11:41 pierrick thd, INEO develops a kind of "supersoftware" to limitate OS capabilities 11:40 pierrick thd, no 11:40 pierrick I hope I will go this week, but I was confirmed 11:40 thd pierrick: Does Ineo develop its own software for serving large clients? 11:39 pierrick thd, I was ill at the end of last week and my colleagues are very busy this week in our client offices 11:38 pierrick thd, no I didn't :-/ 11:36 thd pierrick: Did you take a visit to a large Ineo client as you had been planning? 11:35 pierrick kados, another question for you :-) 11:34 thd kados: are you around? 11:25 osmoze ++ all 06:12 osmoze non, sauf si tu payes ;) 06:07 pierrick le texte entier est accessible en ligne? 06:07 pierrick oui, hdl me l'a fait remarque 06:03 osmoze|out pierrick c est juste le resumé 05:30 pierrick KOHA est un système intégré de gestion de bibliothèque (SIGB) en « Open Source », donc en distribution libre sans paiement de droits d'utilisation. C'est aussi le premier logiciel de gestion de bibliothèque libre au monde, qui respecte les normes internationales (Marc, Z39.50 et ISO2709) spécifiques à ce type d'outil. 05:30 pierrick KOHA, le futur logiciel documentaire de la médiathèque intercommunale 05:29 pierrick le texte est tout petit: 05:29 pierrick bizarre, j'y accede bien moi 05:27 hdl oui osmoze. J'aurais du le préciser. 05:27 osmoze <hdl> Je n'ai pas accès à la page du magazine que tu cites. Ce serait possible de me la faire parvenir ? <-- c est pour moi ca ? 05:25 hdl C'était un problème de passage à la nouvelle interface du site. 05:25 hdl No prob. 05:25 pierrick hdl, merci pour le document sur l'editeur MARC :-) 05:25 hdl Je n'ai pas accès à la page du magazine que tu cites. Ce serait possible de me la faire parvenir ? 05:24 osmoze merci 05:24 osmoze ok, j attend demain sans probleme mais c etait pour en avoir le coeur net ^^ 05:23 hdl :) 05:23 hdl Normalement, si tu peux attendre Mercredi, une version Française va arriver. 05:23 hdl pierrick: ok 05:23 osmoze hdl > une reponse ou je presente tout a mon president en anglais ? ;) 05:21 hdl pierrick: Je rétablis ce lien tout de suite. 05:19 pierrick osmoze, il y a aura une presentation en francais au moins sur les mailing-list des bibliothecaires, la mailing-liste d'info Koha en francais 05:17 pierrick hdl, http://www.koha-fr.org/MARC-E.pdf 05:17 pierrick hdl, les documents sur l'editeur MARC sont inaccessible sur koha-fr.org, tu saurais m'aider a les trouver ? 05:16 osmoze pierrick, pour les inscription je parle, en gros, que cette page : http://www.koha.org/community/conferences/usergroup.html soit en francais 05:15 pierrick certaines presentations seront en anglais, mais traduites a la volee en theorie 05:15 pierrick osmoze, Kohacon day1 et day2 sont officiellement en français 05:02 osmoze (c est pour la demande a mon président) 05:02 osmoze par contre, une petite question, la pres de la kohaconf est en anglais, vas t il y avoir une version francisé ? 05:01 osmoze (avec l install phpmyadmin, pas l autre) 05:01 osmoze non, j ai pas continuer car j ai eu un probleme perl...J avoue ne pas avoir pousser plus que cela, je recommence dans la journée 05:01 hdl ou bien tu as abandonné, signe que c'est TRES mauvais ? 05:01 hdl Tu as pu tester plus en détail la doc que j'ai mise à disposition ? 05:00 osmoze c est plutot gazeux ce matin :( 05:00 hdl ca gaze ? 05:00 hdl bonjour osmoze 05:00 osmoze bonjour hdl 04:26 pierrick hi osmoze 04:21 osmoze hello from France :) 18:03 slef owen: it's just an illustration. The diagnosis is all in the validation reports. 17:48 owen slef: if you're posting a screenshot like that in order to help diagnose/solve a problem with a site, you have to put it in context. 17:40 slef owen: The most severe are because the CSS is semi-complete, as described in the validator's warning output. 17:38 owen But all the problems with your screenshot are a result of your browsing environment, not the validations problems 17:37 slef owen: neither the xhtml nor the CSS validate. My browsing environments are not very relevant. 17:35 owen I think the ideal you espouse is a worthy goal, but it's a bit misleading to tell someone their site is broken without explaining the details of your browsing environment 17:34 slef As mentioned, I was going to check if the login details I had let me fix it and not complain until after that. I didn't realise some news only appeared on the web site now. 17:32 slef owen: sorry. The "it's your fault for setting your browser to be comfortable" subtext is a bit annoying. 17:20 slaf owen: web users have a range of settings. Sites which can't cope with a fairly minor eyesight problem are very buggy. 17:18 slaf owen: sites which follow www.w3.org/TR/WCAG are fine. 17:17 owen Besides maybe plain text? 17:17 owen slaf: with a setup like that, is there anything on the internet that /doesn't/ look like crap for you? 17:17 slaf I'd use white not yellow, but enough sites use a white background with no text colour that I'd never know there was text there! 17:17 osmoze good night paul :) 17:17 slaf no, just default colours of yellow-on-navy to make it nicer to read 17:16 owen And a user stylesheet that turns some text yellow? 17:16 slaf owen: yes, no images most of the time 17:15 slaf owen: firefox-based/GoboLinux/512x640ish 17:15 owen slef: images turned off? 17:15 russ 09:14AM|<owen> slef: using what browser/platform/browser dimensions? 17:15 russ 09:14AM|<chris> yikes no wonder you dont look at it 17:15 russ 09:13AM|<russ> later today 17:15 russ 09:13AM|<russ> i will post to koha, koha-dev, and koha-win32 17:15 russ 09:13AM|<slef> http://g.towers.org.uk:70/ss.png is how I see www.koha.org since the redesign 17:15 russ 17:14 slaf what was my last line? 17:14 slaf damn intercontinental links 17:14 owen slef: using what browser/platform/browser dimensions? 17:14 chris yikes no wonder you dont look at it 17:13 russ later today 17:13 russ i will post to koha, koha-dev, and koha-win32 17:13 slef http://g.towers.org.uk:70/ss.png is how I see www.koha.org since the redesign 17:13 osmoze excuse me, but my mother doen't love to be cut on dinner ;) 17:13 russ rachel is proof reading an annoucnement for me 17:13 russ slef - as i mentioned earlier 17:13 paul can I leave ? 17:12 paul osmoze arrives really late. meeting is closing ! 17:12 osmoze hello 17:12 pierrick 'night #koha 17:12 paul for french, we have 3 very large mailing lists. And Ineo will send a mail to the 300 largest french libraries. 17:11 paul I let russ answer for english. 17:11 slef What is the plan for announcing kohacon to mailing lists? When and where do announcements go? 17:11 kados slef: not at all of course 17:10 paul in french we say "pouf" too ;-) 17:10 pierrick so do I, long night waiting for me (kid's ill) 17:10 slef kados: poof is a pejorative term to denote a homosexual. Is that what you wanted to say about shaun and ben? 17:10 paul ok. I'll be on irc on wednesday. tomorrow, i'll be with OUEST PROVENCE. 17:10 thd paul: poof is the sound of disappearance 17:10 paul and i've got to get some sleep ! 17:10 kados so I'm gonna close the meeting 17:10 paul ok. 17:10 kados anyway, I've got to get something to eat before I fall over 17:10 chris (shaun and ben, disappeared back into the ether) 17:09 paul poof ? 17:09 kados <poof> :-) 17:09 kados chris: exactly what we thought would happen to them :-) 17:09 kados http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?profile=css2&warning=2&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fkoha.org%2F 17:09 chris i wonder what happened to them 17:09 kados looks like the html is missing a </meta> tag 17:09 russ but i am pretty sure that both shaun and bob looked at that 17:08 russ i didnt do the css 17:08 slef russ: have you validated the css? 17:08 russ weird - first i have heard of this 17:07 pierrick chris, I'm also RSS connected to your blog ;-) 17:07 chris ta 17:07 slef chris: aye 17:07 slef 1mo, will screenshot 17:07 chris bad css slef? 17:07 slef russ: illegible here, so I don't visit www.koha.org much. 17:07 russ http://www.koha.org/community/conferences/index.html 17:06 paul I'm just waiting for ineo confirmation. I let russ take care of the english announcement. 17:06 chris slef: im pleased someone looks at my blog :-) 17:06 slef russ: web site is still not legible. I know I have login, so I wanted to look whether I can fix before bugreporting. 17:06 chris but we were waiting for a few more details, to do the big announcement is that right? 17:06 paul i'm just waiting for a confirmation from ineo to adv french librarians 17:06 thd kados: I guessed that was the reason :) 17:06 russ it has been on the website for about 2 weeks 17:06 chris ahh 17:05 kados thd: i can't announce it publicly :-) 17:05 russ i had hoped to get it out there yesterday 17:05 slef chris: first I heard about dates was your blog. 17:05 chris just the main koha list to announce too? 17:05 thd kados: what was bringing you to Europe otherwise? 17:05 russ rach is proofing my annoucnement at the moment 17:05 chris i think its been on koha-devel ? 17:05 slef When will this be announced to mailing lists? 17:05 chris and then, we thought, we may as well have a bit for librarians too 17:05 kados :-) 17:04 paul but i'm very happy with this ! 17:04 paul when I suggested this meeting I didn't imagine, even a second, kiwis would come ! 17:04 chris and we thought, how about a developer get together 17:04 slef if it is possible at all 17:04 thd paul: I did not see the answer for DevWeek and the roadmap only chris demonstrates differences in searching for the convention 17:04 slef Yes, that's the problem. May 1 is mayday here IIRC, so travel is going to be hell 17:04 chris basically kohacon sprang out of the fact kados was going to be in europe 17:04 slef ah, that's more understandable 17:03 paul * in France there are many many many closed days in April/May, so it was really hard to find a correct date ! 17:03 paul * choosen because joshua will be in Geneva just before this KohaCon 17:03 slef kados: how/why? 17:02 paul thd : yes 17:02 kados slef: those are the dates we picked :-) 17:02 kados ha 17:02 thd paul: was your question about the roadmap in relation to DevWeek answered? 17:02 slef Why those dates? 17:02 kados go ahead slef 17:02 kados I think we're done eh? 17:01 slef can I ask some kohacon questions when you're done? 17:01 paul yep russ 17:01 russ paul did you get my email with all theq's? 17:01 paul it will begin at 9:30, not before. 17:01 kados sounds good 17:01 paul (wednesday hopefully) 17:01 paul i'll update the wiki this week. is it OK ? 17:01 russ we are flying half way round the world to attend, it is important to us :-) 17:00 russ yep it is the detail i am after 17:00 paul right. we still have to detail this. 17:00 kados yep 17:00 russ all that stuff needs to be sorted 16:59 paul around 1 hour 16:59 russ will there be breaks 16:59 russ what time will be starting 16:59 russ how long will each talk be 16:59 paul the only missing guy is the 1st one. 16:59 paul isn't http://www.saas.nsw.edu.au/koha_wiki/index.php?page=KohaCon enough for instance ? 16:59 russ or do you need some help organising this? 16:58 russ paul - have you and ineo set a programme yet? 16:58 russ but i am not sure if one exsists yet 16:58 russ i am very keen to publish a programme for the koha con on the website 16:57 russ cheers 16:57 kados russ, this is your baby I believe 16:57 kados sounds good 16:57 paul ok, next topic then ? 16:56 russ possibly 16:55 chris and use those? 16:55 chris russ: we could for the demo's sake, steal the plain templates we did for opus 16:55 pierrick chris++ 16:55 chris show the diffreence 16:55 russ still need a little bit of design time 16:54 chris same records 16:54 chris on the same machine 16:54 chris thd: i want to have 2 koha's running, one using zebra, one not 16:54 paul + few pages improved 16:54 paul russ : what about just having a nice css on prog ? 16:54 pierrick russ, that's why not every page must be fancy for KohaCon 16:54 thd chris: what aspect of that is a feature to make an audience happy rather than merely showing the internal workings? 16:53 russ that doesnt leave much time to do a fancy template 16:53 paul the look will probably be the most important part of the demo ;-) 16:53 paul pierrick ++ 16:53 chris we can certainly show off searching using zebra, and ill have the freetext cql interface going too 16:52 chris the searching 16:52 paul even if uncomplete, of course. 16:52 thd kados: i think he is asking what in the roadmap will be ready for demonstration on day 2 16:52 paul I hope we won't have only a roadmap, but a product to show ;-) 16:51 kados paul: are you asking whether we'll have a fancy looking koha roadmap for the KohaCon? 16:51 paul and also have to plan what we will do on devWeek 16:50 paul (quite late, my english becomes poor...) 16:50 paul s/do/be/ you're right 16:50 slef paul: do or be? 16:50 paul we will have to show something to librarians on day 2 16:50 thd what does that question mean? 16:50 paul it's a question for the release manager : where should we do for KohaCon ? 16:49 kados (I assume that was also you) 16:49 kados ok ... so ... paul, last question: RoadMap 16:49 russ cool owen 16:49 paul ok, great 16:47 chris but without navigation, they are sometimes hard to use 16:47 paul then I think katipo already candidate to make something nice. 16:47 owen they're not supposed to look good :) 16:47 chris i dont think the prog ones have to look good 16:47 russ ah 16:47 paul no, to complete them 1st 16:47 kados paul: do you mean who will build the '3.0 fancy tempaltes'? 16:47 russ is that what you mean? 16:46 russ to make them look good? 16:46 paul who candidate ? 16:46 paul ok, who plan to improve them ? 16:45 owen paul: they should be 'first draft' complete, but without the enhancements you and I discussed (more navigation menus, ID'd blocks, etc) 16:45 kados owen: any thoughts? 16:45 paul could anyone confirm my feeling ? 16:45 thd kados: as long as is still a constant for those of us still spinning at the same rate :( 16:45 paul thus I think they are complete. But can't be sure 16:44 chris ohh cool 16:44 paul * are PROG complete ? i've seen owen has added some prog for OPC 16:44 kados I mean for the meeting 16:44 kados thd: it's 10:45pm in France :-) 16:43 thd kados: which time do you mean? 16:43 paul yep. 16:43 kados also added by paul? 16:43 kados PROG template status? 16:43 kados I fear we're going to run out of time fast 16:43 chris (for head) 16:42 chris paul, ill try to do an updated mail when theres something good to look at 16:42 chris the search forms can be simplified 16:41 chris thd: something like that 16:40 chris Search.pm is going to need quite a bit more work 16:40 thd chris: so do you mean that obviously the conversion step between SQL and CQL will be eliminated? 16:40 chris the plugin part (ie SearchMarc.pm and Biblio.pm) is pretty stable now 16:40 paul ok, i'll try to investigate your code. when do you think it will be stabilised enough ? 16:39 chris thd: currently we get things from the form like biblio.title="some book" .. which we then convert to title all "some book" in CQL and pass to zebra 16:37 chris as I have been concentrating on it lately 16:37 chris SearchMarc.pm does the most things at the moment (sorting, etc) 16:37 chris Search.pm in head will be the new API 16:37 chris SearchMarc.pm in head will work with the existing search files 16:36 chris for 3.0 we have a chance to tidy up the .pl files as well 16:36 paul so where is the best code ? in head or in 2.2-zebra plugin ? 16:36 thd chris: how will it be different for 3.0? 16:36 chris so that without needing to change much, you can get zebra going 16:35 chris SearchMarc.pm is a drop in replacement for the SearchMarc.pm in 2.2.x 16:35 kados ahh 16:35 chris is not going to be how 3.0 does it 16:35 chris the way SearchMarc.pm does the search 16:35 kados I detailed them in my search report sent to koha-zebra 16:35 kados we're still missing some things 16:34 chris file even 16:34 chris it all depends on how we build the pqf.properties fiel 16:33 chris maybe kados 16:33 chris i have been working on the 2.2 plugin recently paul 16:33 kados chris: will that code eventually support the full CQL hierarchy? 16:33 chris there is on head 16:33 paul there is no possibility for the user to enter a CQL query directly ? 16:33 chris i have to tidy it up, and put it in C4::Search 16:32 kados paul: it's where we are at currently with searching 16:32 chris paul: I have been working in C4::SearchMarc.pm 16:31 kados paul: http://kohatest.liblime.com/ 16:31 chris so that the results are returned in relevance rank from zebra, but we can then resort them by title, or author etc 16:31 paul do you have builded an API for queries ? 16:31 chris last week we got sorting working 16:31 paul yes, I just wanted to read chris on this 16:31 kados chris: want to give us an update on that? 16:30 kados Zebra integration (CQL in Koha) ... also paul>? 16:30 kados to confirm that pierrick 's solution works 16:30 kados I will get a utf-8 mysql Koha running this week 16:30 kados sure 16:30 paul we end this topic and reach the next one ? 16:30 kados (but assumed that something else was discovered) 16:30 pierrick (no access to my working station) 16:30 kados (I _thought_ pierrick had done so via an email) 16:29 pierrick kados, no you can't I just made screenshots 16:29 kados right 16:29 paul OK, so you just have to explain what you did ! 16:29 kados pierrick: can we view this? 16:29 paul pierrick : do you still think you're OK 16:29 pierrick kados, I confirm 16:29 kados thd: now's not the time 16:29 kados pierrick: can you confirm whether you have a working Koha with mysql tables specifying utf-8? 16:29 thd kados: Is the encoding[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[C[Ccharacter encoding set in 0000/09 wrong? 16:29 pierrick :-/ I thought it was OK 16:28 paul right. 16:28 kados so it seems like our UNICODE status is that we're still unresolved 16:27 kados thd: no idea 16:27 kados paul: also, I have not attempted to change default char encoding in mysql yet 16:27 thd kados: why is the leader incorrect? 16:27 kados paul: just today ... I've been trying to fix it ... driving me nuts! 16:27 kados paul: I discovered a new bug with the new cvs MARC editor for existing records in a Koha database with incorrect leader 16:26 paul (too : getting sick) 16:26 paul pierrick & kados, you have something working correctly, while I don't. 16:26 thd paul: if I query for C?zanne when my system which is not set to UTF-8 the query will fail unless it is normalised for UTF-8 at the server side which seems simple enough to me 16:26 kados I'm really getting sick of encoding issues :-) 16:26 kados paul: but it was in there (sent to koha-zebra I believe) 16:26 kados paul: I can't find the message that Tumer sent regarding utf-8 and zebra 16:25 kados and concentrate on getting utf-8 to actually work for those of us with the utf-8 locale 16:25 paul (+ it's already 10:30 pm in europe ;-) ) 16:25 paul right 16:25 pierrick thd, locale is not about encoding (utf-8 is an encoding) but about a character set you can type with your keyboard and display on your screen 16:25 kados but i suggest we ignore that for now 16:24 kados so thd has a point 16:24 kados regardless of browser 16:24 kados I've seen it before on my gentoo workstation 16:24 kados if your locale does not support utf-8 it won't work 16:24 paul which browser do you use ? 16:24 thd paul: It does not on my system 16:23 pierrick paul, you don't miss anything 16:23 paul (unless i'm still missing something !) 16:23 paul but that's not a problem thd : the browser take care of everything 16:23 thd however, most users not on the special systems at the library itself will not have a UTF-8 locale 16:22 kados thd: right now the priority is getting utf-8 to work! 16:22 kados thd: we can bring up supporting older browsers when we resolve the utf-8 problems' we're having 16:22 thd pierrick: well I identify legacy systems for the user at home. 16:21 paul repeat all what I have to do to be sure I haven't missed something 16:21 pierrick thd, supporting utf-8 is a prerequisite, obviously... and which recent browser does not support utf-8 ??? 16:21 kados paul: are you sure you changed all of zebra's config files to utf-8? 16:21 paul * with binmode, zebra datas are OK, but mysql datas are no more ! 16:20 paul * without binmode, zebra datas are wrong, but mysql datas are OK (marc description) 16:20 thd pierrick: only if the client supports UTF-8 16:20 pierrick we force browser side to be utf-8, not matter the client locale 16:20 paul but on MARCdetail.pl I have wrong results : 16:19 thd hdl: exactly which is why every string should be converted in any case 16:19 pierrick hdl, what do you mean "different locales" ? 16:19 pierrick hdl, no problem to insert utf-8 16:19 pierrick IMO, Koha works with UTF-8, 99,99% 16:18 hdl But we shall have to insert. Or to take into account that users may have different locales. 16:18 paul but why do I have a problem ? 16:18 pierrick as long as we only do "insert", "select", "print", no problem I think, I see even 16:17 hdl But if you have a select with some accentuated characters, Don't we need "processing" ? 16:17 pierrick paul, no, in my mind "select" and "print" does not process the string, sorry for my vocabulary, I was not clear enough 16:16 pierrick I mean things like inline replacement on non-ASCII characters, string length calculation 16:16 paul is "show the string in the template" not something "processed" ? 16:16 pierrick retrieving many strings is absolutely not a problem, processing strings can be 16:15 paul I wanted to say that we have to retrieve many strings from mySQL as well as from zebra. 16:14 chris im wondering what the answer to pierricks question is too 16:14 kados chris: any input on this? 16:12 paul * many many other parameters tables (itemtype description, ...) 16:12 paul * borrowers 16:12 paul * marc_*_structure 16:12 paul but we have : 16:11 pierrick if not, the problem is not that big 16:11 thd I did not mean permanently but temporarily, relative to hacking the DBD module 16:11 pierrick do we need to process strings coming from Mysql in Perl ? 16:10 kados hehe 16:10 thd :) 16:10 paul somthing like a cancer ? 16:10 kados thd: quite painful :-) 16:10 thd paul: how painful would switching to Postgres be actually? 16:08 paul the last one being to switch from mysql to something else I think we only have 2, you're right 16:08 thd paul: Is that the full list of options? Those 2? 16:08 paul right 16:08 pierrick (decode every string is not a satisfaying solution) 16:06 paul * we rewrite all subs to decode everything from mysql 16:06 pierrick do we need to process strings in Perl ? 16:05 paul * either we succeed to get an improved DBD::mysql 16:05 paul we are back to what I thought 2 months ago : 16:05 pierrick not so big 16:05 paul (mail on koha-zebra from pierrick, 21th, march) 16:05 kados paul: what's that? 16:04 paul seems the solution we have found still hides a big problem. 16:03 paul 1 st question : UNICODE status 16:03 kados take us away :-) 16:03 paul yep 16:03 kados paul, some of this you added, eh? 16:03 kados first up is News and Questions 16:02 kados so, the agenda is at http://www.saas.nsw.edu.au/koha_wiki/index.php?page=AgendAndNotes06mar27 16:01 kados great, nice crowd 16:01 chris ive seen it 16:01 kados not me 16:01 paul who knows http://sourceforge.net/projects/jkoha ? 16:00 chris here 16:00 kados so who's about? 16:00 kados time for a roll call, eh? 16:00 kados ok ... it's 20:00 15:59 kados http://www.saas.nsw.edu.au/koha_wiki/index.php?page=AgendAndNotes06mar27 15:59 kados T-MINUS TWO MINUTES TO KOHA MEETING 15:56 russ hiya chris 15:56 hdl hi 15:56 chris morning 15:55 russ i reckon 15:55 kados bout 5 minutes eh? 15:51 russ hi kados 15:51 kados morning russ 15:50 russ morning all 15:06 slef 22:00 CET 8-/ 15:06 paul 20:00 GMT 15:06 slef so 20:00 +0000 15:06 paul hi slef. In 1 hour 15:06 slef 20:00 GMT or 21:00 CET? 15:05 slef erm, when is meeting? 15:05 paul (3 questions) 15:04 paul wiki updated 15:03 kados well, you can attend every two weeks :-) 15:02 kados if you have anything to add, feel free 15:02 paul in fact, my main concern is to have a meeting every week. It would be easier for me to have one once every 2 weeks. 15:02 kados http://www.saas.nsw.edu.au/koha_wiki/index.php?page=AgendAndNotes06mar27 15:02 kados here's the meeting agenda: 15:02 paul yep 15:02 kados right, so 9:00pm for you eh? 15:01 kados and still early for NZ :( 15:01 paul (et are now in summer time, so we are GMT+2) 15:01 kados I know it's late for you 15:01 kados yes 15:01 paul meeting in 1 hour isn't it ? 15:01 paul hi kados. 15:00 kados hi paul_away 14:19 kados sweet 14:19 slef Now the clocks have changed, I can probably make that. 14:18 kados GMT 20:00 14:18 slef What time is the meeting? 14:13 slef was kohaCon discussed on koha-devel? 14:12 kados tim: it's also hard because there's no sane way to tell the difference between utf-8 and marc-8 by just the characters themselves 14:11 kados tim: and it seems we can't always trust the leader to tell us which they are 14:10 kados tim: this is especially tricky because your data has both marc-8 and utf-8 characters 14:10 kados http://www.saas.nsw.edu.au/koha_wiki/index.php?page=AgendAndNotes06mar27 14:10 kados slef: noone 14:09 slef kados: for the agenda 14:09 kados slef: for the koha wiki? 14:09 slef kados: who can edit topic? 14:09 slef kados: URL? 14:09 kados tim: give me a few more minutes 14:09 kados tim: I'm still working on a solution here 14:08 kados agenda's on the wiki 14:08 tim kados: I don't do the cataloging. I don't know if that's the correct way of entering it. I'm guessing it's not. 14:08 kados I can't edit topic 14:07 slef How? 14:07 slef "You can view the logs of #koha using logbot. " 14:07 slef can you put meeting details into /topic please? 14:07 kados no fancyness :-) 14:06 kados just logs stuff 14:06 slef how does logbot work? 14:06 kados umm ... well we have a meeting in a couple hours 14:05 slef !help DateTime 13:46 kados btw: side note, is that how you're supposed to represent multi-language materials in MARC? 245$a with the spanish and $b with the english? 13:42 kados I need to think a bit more to figure out if there's a way we can fix this without so much work 13:42 kados but I'm guessing that's going to be a lot of records since you have quite a few spanish materials 13:41 kados isn't getting changed as it should) 13:41 kados (once we figure out why the leader 13:41 kados probably the best solution would be to convert all your records to utf-8 13:40 kados (like in the original record) 13:40 kados but that means that ascii characters outside the normal range don't display properly 13:40 kados in order to do that I had to change the default encoding of the intranet to utf-8 13:39 kados (so I need to check on that) 13:39 kados (though the leader didn't update for some reason) 13:39 kados as utf-8 13:39 kados and it saved properly 13:39 kados I created a duplicate of the problematic record 13:38 kados http://koha.wlpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/detail.pl?bib=19549 13:38 kados tim: ok ... here's the deal 13:34 kados give me a sec 13:34 kados yep, trying one right now 13:31 tim Have any ideas what we can do about that? 13:26 kados but I suspect it's actually UTF-8 13:26 kados 01166cam 2200301Ka 4500 13:26 kados so the leader is claiming it's MARC-8: 13:24 kados tim: give me a minute to figure out what's going on 13:23 kados tim: ok ... MARC::Record, MARC::File::XML updated, but that record is still not being encoded correctly 13:18 kados tim: compiling now 13:12 kados tim: got it, your version of MARC::Record is way out of date, updating it now 13:10 kados tim: lemme check your version of MARC::Record, MARC::File::XML 13:10 kados tim: wait ... it's still not encoding correctly 13:08 kados tim: give it a shot now 13:03 kados tim: where are you pulling the record out of, the reservoir? 12:57 tim Thanks! 12:57 tim Cool! 12:57 kados tim: give me a sec and I'll fix it 12:57 kados tim: I know what the error is, I've got a solution for it 12:57 hdl More seriously, you could try and recompile MARC::Record and MARC::File::XML or MARC::Charset. 12:56 tim I'm guessing there are othere records with the same problem since we have a small Spanish collection. 12:54 hdl wait for 3.0 :))) 12:53 tim But don't have a clue what to do about it. 12:53 hdl But it seems that they used utf-8 for their character encoding. 12:53 tim The book is in Spanish and English. I'm tninking it has something to do with Spanish characters. 12:51 tim 0439783690 12:49 hdl would you give me ISBN ? 12:48 tim It was from OCLC 12:48 hdl Is this a record you created ? 12:48 hdl what was the record source ? 12:47 tim Oh yeah. We're trying to edit the MARC record. 12:35 tim This is followed by the usual premature end of scritp headers (this one in addbiblio.pl) and the intranet page give a 500 error. 12:33 tim Cannot decode string with wide characters at /usr/lib/perl/5.8/Encode.pm line 184., referer: http://koha.wlpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/MARCdetail.pl?bib=18839 12:33 tim We ran into a problem with one of our records. Here's the error.