Time Nick Message 11:23 kados paul: you around? 11:24 kados paul: about your question about new MARC editor 11:24 paul yep 11:24 kados paul: have you looked at the demo of Ohio University student's code? 11:24 paul nope 11:24 paul (an url ?) 11:25 kados it should be listed on labs.liblime.com 11:25 kados there were in fact two software teams in the same class 11:25 kados both competed with different software packages 11:26 kados team 42 had the best features I think, though teamipg has nice keystroke management 11:27 kados (it seems they are finding no results) 11:27 paul (what can I search ?) 11:27 paul right :-( 11:27 paul what's the status of this code ? do they work on it a little ? 11:28 kados no, no more work now 11:28 kados the class is over so they fled the scene :-) 11:28 kados I can send you the existing two software packages 11:28 kados but really, we need a complete new design 11:29 paul so you think I had better start from scratch something new ? 11:29 kados that's my suggestion 11:29 paul you told me you had some ideas iirc 11:29 kados yes, I do ... 11:29 kados but today I'm quite busy ... 11:29 paul i'm listening (or you write a mail ?) 11:29 kados yes, I'll write an email 11:29 kados maybe later tonight 11:29 paul no problem, I just need to have a clear position at end of month 11:30 kados ok ... we will :-) 11:30 paul did you saw my mail about kohacon on the wiki ? 11:30 kados yes ... thank you 11:30 kados can we now announce it on koha lists and on our websites? 11:31 kados or are you still waiting for confirmation ? 11:31 paul i'm waiting for something from jps 11:31 kados ok 11:31 paul but if he stays silent, at end of week we will announce the con 11:31 kados sounds like a plan 11:31 paul about koha extension for firefox (on labs.liblime) 11:31 paul do you plan to commit something on cvs ? 11:32 paul could be a good "add on" to Koha. 11:32 paul the 1st separate package 11:32 paul then MARC editor, 11:32 paul then opensearchportal 11:32 paul then acquisition wizard 11:33 paul (acq wizard is something ouest provence want me to developp, i have a mail to write on koha-devel) 11:54 kados yes, I do plan to commit it 11:54 kados in fact, I registered a special domain for it :-) 11:54 kados kohazilla.org :-) 11:54 kados nothing there yet, but soon 11:55 kados it will allow any library to create a custom search plugin for their system and then upload it to kohazilla.org 11:57 paul pierrick : a few months ago we were speaking of adding new features to Koha, of course, but also adding new tools. some things that could be standalone apps, but that works also with Koha 11:57 paul the 1st one that will be developped will be a MARC editor. i have a student with me for 2 months. 11:57 pierrick OK, you noticed that to me when we met 11:57 paul joshua also began opensearchportal and an extension for firefox. 11:58 paul look at labs.liblime.com 11:58 pierrick I did 11:58 pierrick where is the search performed ? 11:59 kados the opensearch portal search? 11:59 kados it searches several z3950 targets including a couple of Koha boxes 12:01 pierrick a couple of Koha boxes running Zebra (am I right so far) 12:01 paul not necessary : koha 2.2 has a basic z3950 server 12:02 pierrick I thought 2.2 had only a z39.50 client 12:02 kados I think some are using the basic z3950 server, some are zebra indexes 12:02 kados pierrick: I wrote a very basic z3950 server it's been in use at NPL for several years 12:02 pierrick OK, I understand 12:02 kados pierrick: in fact, it was the first perl program I ever wrote :-) 12:02 pierrick :-) 12:02 kados pierrick: so it's quite poorly written IMO :-) 12:03 kados but gets the job done :-) 12:03 pierrick kados: did you need to improve your perl coding style? 12:04 kados quite a bit :-) 12:04 kados in fact, I have no training as a programmer 12:04 kados (which may be obvious :-)) 12:04 pierrick really ? 12:04 pierrick I don't know if it's obvious, I don't know the code enough 12:04 kados my background is in Classical languages (Greek and Latin) and Linguistics :-) 12:05 pierrick linguistics, like Larry... 12:05 kados hehe ... yea, I guess that's true 12:05 kados guess perl's a good choice for me then :-) 12:05 pierrick Perl is a great choice for many things! 12:06 pierrick is paul a programmer basically ? 12:07 paul yep. 12:07 paul but not a perl fan at the beginning. 12:07 paul now we are good friends. 12:07 pierrick reading your code, I suppose you know C 12:07 paul me ? 12:07 pierrick am I wrong ? 12:08 pierrick paul: yes, mister poulain :-) 12:08 paul wow, no, as everybody I learned C, but it was 15 years ago, and I never wrote C IRL. 12:08 pierrick (but I'm not sure I'm reading your code) 12:08 paul (I mean IBL : In Business Life) 12:09 pierrick my very first programming language was C 12:10 pierrick and I'm happy not to write real C programs outside of school 13:27 kados hey tim 13:27 tim hey kados 13:27 kados looks like your site registration is back up :-) 13:28 kados I tried to send you an email to let you know it was down but the message bounced :-) 13:28 tim Cool! I was just gonna ask how it looks from your end. 13:28 kados yep, came back up this morning 13:28 kados if it didn't i was gonna call you cause I remembered you have an internal DNS 13:29 kados and might not be aware of it :-) 13:29 tim Yeah. I didn't know the library switched credit card companies, so the information wasn't passed on to the registrar. 13:29 kados ahh ... trixy :-) 13:29 kados all good now though 13:29 tim We only have internal DNS for the intranet. Our ISP handles the rest. 13:30 kados makes sense 13:30 tim They had it hard-coded, so we didn't have any problems from here or from home because I use the same ISP. 13:30 tim We just got a call letting us know our email isn't working. I guess the fix hasn't made it everywhere yet. 13:31 kados I will try to email you 13:31 kados sent 13:31 kados no bounce, so that's good 13:32 paul kados, a quick question 13:32 kados paul: sure 13:32 paul I try to play with 3.0 13:32 paul but get a " [109] Database unavailable -- v2 addinfo 'koha'" 13:32 kados yep 13:32 paul how to know which DB I have in zebra 13:32 paul (i think i have "koha", but it seems no...) 13:32 kados first check koha.conf 13:32 kados is it listed as 'koha'? 13:33 paul zebradb=localhost:2100/zebra in /etc/koha.conf 13:33 paul oups ! 13:33 kados ok, so the db name is in fact zebra 13:33 paul stupid guy 13:33 kados not so stupid 13:34 kados you may still get the same error 13:34 kados here's what to do: 13:34 kados zebraix init 13:34 kados zebraidx create koha 13:34 kados zebraidx commit 13:34 kados zebrasrv localhost:2100 13:34 kados (after editing koha.conf and changing zebra to koha) 13:34 tim got the email kados 13:34 kados the critical step being' zebraidx commit' 13:35 kados tim: great, sounds like you're back up 100% ... may take a few more hours to propogate everywhere though 13:36 paul works fine, thx. 13:36 paul (now i have to populate the DB ;-) ) 13:36 paul (with rebuild_zebra.pl) 13:38 kados :-) 13:53 kados paul: did you see Tumer's posts? 13:54 kados paul: it seems he's importing with iso2709 13:54 kados paul: which is _very_ fast 13:56 paul you're speaking of it's mail 03.10.06 "building zebra_db" ? 13:57 kados yes 13:58 kados it seems to me like he must have forked Koha as soon as perl-zoom was out without telling us :-) 13:58 paul wow, i missed the importance of this mail. I agree it's very interesting ! 13:58 paul yes and no : he already uses a hacked koha version 13:58 paul (with holidays & news, that I have ported to cvs) 13:58 paul it's better than argentinian team : he submit what he did. 13:59 paul and he is very kind to help me when I ask 13:59 kados excellent 13:59 kados maybe could you ask him to share his zebra code? 13:59 kados so we can compare it to what we already have? 13:59 paul ok 14:32 thd kados: you should have the file now 14:32 paul i leave too. 14:32 paul (search with zebra works. I just have problems with ... encoding !!!) 14:32 thd kados: I hope I have excluded enough subfields 14:32 kados thd: got it 14:33 paul but it may be my XML build, i'll investigate tomorrow morning 14:33 paul bye american friends. 14:33 thd good bye paul 14:33 thd kados: I have a question about exclusion behaviour 14:35 kados thd: still too slow I think 14:35 kados thd: about 45 seconds to load the page 14:35 kados thd: and very slow to respond to page tabs 14:35 kados thd: ask your question 14:35 thd kados: I have assumed that if not editor and collapsed is populated the value is populated in a collapsed subfield. 14:36 kados thd: that's correct 14:37 kados thd: are you taking about -5? 14:37 thd kados: I have also assumed that if editor and collapsed is populated then the populated value appears uncollapsed. 14:37 kados if collapsed is populated the populated value will be collapsed 14:38 thd so y3es the first case could be -5 14:38 kados regardless of !editor or editor 14:38 thd kados: I think that the desirable behaviour would be as I described and you should consider changing it 14:39 kados thd: !! 14:39 kados thd: but that's how I had it the first time 14:39 kados thd: you have every option available to you 14:39 kados thd: just pick the one you want 14:39 thd so that collapsed functions differently between editor and not editor 14:39 kados thd: no ... collapsed is independent from editor !editor 14:40 kados *if (odd) { collapsed } 14:40 kados *if (even) { !collapsed } 14:40 thd kados: there is no option for this behaviour now as you are describing it 14:40 kados that's the rule 14:40 kados sure there is 14:40 kados if you want !editor and !collapsed use -6 14:41 kados if you want !editor and collapsed use -5 14:41 kados phone 14:42 thd kados: I want collapsed when the subfield is important enough to be included in the editor but not used all the time yet I want to see it open if I have filled one of those important ones with a value. 14:43 thd kados: at the same time I want to hide the legacy stuff in a forced collapse for not editor. 14:44 thd kados: so the distinction would be that not editor is a forced collapse while editor has only a conditional collapse for having no value yet. 14:45 thd kados: does that make sense? 14:45 thd kados: I think that would be rational and maximally efficient behaviour for working with the data. 14:47 thd kados: I thought of that shortly after you went to sleep but did not want to disturb you because we both needed rest. 14:50 thd kados: ping me when you are off phone 14:51 thd kados: I am back to removing subfields from editor 14:59 kados thd: it's true that distinction isn't currently possible 14:59 thd kados: did my suggestion above make sense? 14:59 kados thd: and it won't be 14:59 kados thd: it's too complex and requires too many new cases 14:59 kados wait ... 14:59 kados I'm wrong 14:59 kados it already is included 15:00 thd kados: really 15:00 kados no ... I'm wrong again :-) 15:01 thd kados: i think that is highly desirable behaviour 15:01 kados thd: we'll make sure it's in 3.0 then 15:01 kados thd: I have no more time to work on this feature 15:01 kados thd: too much else to do 15:01 thd kados: let me know when you are back from lunch 15:01 kados thd: let me know when the revised framework is ready 15:01 thd ok 16:56 thd kados: I sent an updated set of subfield exclusions 17:19 kados thd: the new one takes about 14 seconds to load 17:19 kados thd: much better 17:19 kados thd: but still quite slow :-) 17:19 kados thd: i need to get the addfield working 17:20 kados thd: maybe this weekend I'll have time 17:20 kados thd: I'll load the new file into the liblime demo 17:20 thd kados: I can still take out more from the editor 17:21 thd kados: at this point I will have to take out some of the fun fields 17:22 thd goodbye fun fields hope to see you again soon 17:25 kados thd: for the liblime demo I'm running mysql 4.018 17:25 kados thd: I had to adjust seealso to be 255 (as that's the max for that in 4.0) 17:25 kados thd: also had to remove the utf8 charset 17:27 thd kados: 255 will break the functionality derived from the large values as it had before when the content is arbitrarily truncated. 17:27 kados yea, I suspected as much 17:27 kados I'll need to upgrade mysql on that machine ... maybe tonight 17:28 thd kados: try changing the type to TEXT instead of VARCHAR(255) 17:28 kados k 19:33 thd kados: I have only a modest improvement so far. I need to go to Brooklyn now. 19:34 kados ok, have fun :/ 05:02 osmoze hello all 05:12 pierrick hi #koha 05:12 paul hello 05:14 pierrick bébé rétablit ? 05:14 paul oui, tout à fait. 05:14 paul 2 bonnes nuits ! ca va mieux... 05:15 paul + un génie qui a résolu les pb utf8, alors la, c'est le pied. 05:18 pierrick mouarf... regardes un peu : http://forum.phpwebgallery.net/viewtopic.php?id=6014 05:18 pierrick 2 bonnes nuits, c'est cool ça. 05:27 pierrick bref, les problèmes d'UTF-8, c'est la mode en ce moment, et tant que toutes les applications n'y seront pas passé, les problèmes subsisteront :-/ 06:49 paul pierrick ? 06:49 paul j'ai un pb sur les notices que je relis de zebra : 06:52 paul si je les enregistre dans un fichier après les avoir lues, elle semblent être en utf-8. 06:52 paul mais à l'affichage, j'ai des , à la place des lettres, pb typique d'une chaine iso8859-1 affichée en utf-8 je crois. 06:52 pierrick on retombe donc dans le même problème, mais on change de backend 06:52 paul j'essaye de remettre le binmode pour voir... 06:53 pierrick quoique... si tu enregistres en utf-8 dans le fichier, on a donc de l'utf-8 manipulé par Perl, le backend n'a plus d'importance 06:53 paul tu as la syntaxe exacte du binmode ? 06:53 paul binmode(STDOUT, ":utf8"); 06:54 paul gagné : 06:54 paul si je remets le binmode : 06:54 pierrick ça marche avec le binmode ??? 06:54 paul * ce qui vient de mySQL n'est plus bon 06:54 paul * ce qui vient de zebra est OK 06:54 pierrick on est mal alors ! 06:54 paul http://bureau.paulpoulain.com:8080/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/MARCdetail.pl?biblionumber=5 06:54 paul (test/test devrait marcher) 06:55 pierrick qu'est ce qui vient de Zebra exactement ? 06:55 osmoze question, j ai suivit l install sur windows, j ai une erreur : No such files or directory: couldn't spawn child process /koha/opac-cgi/opac-main.pl Une voie a me donner pour resoudre cela ? 06:56 paul pas de bol, hdl est absent jusque demain... 06:57 paul "riding" est plutôt "driving" en fait. Il est à Chambéry, chez un client. 06:57 paul pierrick : Search.pm > get_record 06:57 paul (faut le MARC::File::xml en v 0.82 06:57 paul ) 06:58 paul mais je crois l'avoir. 06:58 paul tiens, question con : comment je peux vérifier facilement ce genre de choses ? 07:00 pierrick paul: c'est une question pour me tester ou c'est une vraie question ? 07:00 paul (non vraie question) 07:00 pierrick perl -e 'use MARC::File::XML; print MARC::File::XML->VERSION, "\n";' 07:00 paul OK, 0.82 07:01 pierrick tiens, je suis en 0.81 07:01 paul ca pourrait être utile de faire une chtite page qui récapitule tout ca dans Koha : les versions des paquetages installés. 07:01 paul Je vais voir ca tout de suite. 07:01 pierrick un peu comme versions.pl que j'ai écrit pour tester l'utf-8 ? ou la page about tout simplement 07:02 paul about.pl tout simplement ! 07:02 pierrick (tu me laisses le faire ça ? c'est facile :-) 07:02 paul zyva. 07:02 pierrick (sans vouloir faire uniquement ce qui est facile) 07:03 paul je veux le commit dans 30mn ;-) 07:03 pierrick arf 07:03 paul petite suggestion : 07:03 paul misc/Install.pm contient déjà la liste de ce qui est obligatoire. 07:03 paul il faut y rajouter les paquetages suivants : 07:03 pierrick (oui, mais obsolete il me semble) 07:04 paul MARC::File::xml (0.82), MARC::Charset (0.95), Class::Accessor (0.22), LWP::Simple and XML::Simple 07:04 pierrick j'ajoute la version de Zebra aussi 07:04 paul très bonne idée. 07:04 paul affiche juste la liste avec les numéros de versions. 07:04 paul + Smart::Comments 07:05 pierrick lance le chrono 07:05 paul 11H05... 07:39 osmoze 11h39... 07:41 pierrick (ouais, ouais ça va ;-) 07:41 osmoze ;) 07:42 paul ne te presse pas, il reste 4mn. 07:42 paul ah, non, 3. bon alors presse toi un peu... 07:45 pierrick (y'a un truc que je ne sais pas faire en Perl, je consulte mes bookins...) 08:02 paul Search.pm/get_record : 08:02 paul $raw is correct utf-8 08:03 paul but $record is no more 08:03 paul the my $record = MARC::Record->new_from_xml($raw, 'UTF-8'); 08:03 paul is the origin of the problem. 08:03 paul investigating... 08:03 paul [paul@bureau head]$ perl -e 'use MARC::Charset; print MARC::Charset->VERSION, "\n";' 08:03 paul 0.95 08:03 paul [paul@bureau head]$ perl -e 'use MARC::Record; print MARC::Record->VERSION, "\n";' 08:03 paul 2.0 08:03 paul [paul@bureau head]$ perl -e 'use MARC::File::XML; print MARC::File::XML->VERSION, "\n";' 08:03 paul 0.82 08:04 pierrick Net::Z3950 does not offer VERSION... 08:04 paul shame, but not a problem : it will be useless in 3.0 08:04 paul (replaced completly by Perl-zoom) 08:18 pierrick at last, I've commited 08:19 pierrick designed to be easy to add modules 08:19 paul on head ? 08:19 pierrick of course 08:19 osmoze bye 08:19 pierrick bye bye osmoze 08:19 paul bye 08:20 paul farpait. 08:20 paul juste 2 suggestions : 08:20 paul * mettre un titre au tableau ! 08:20 paul * mettre les paquetages dans l'ordre alpha 08:26 pierrick (c'est tout avant que je commit ?) 08:33 pierrick commit done 08:40 pierrick tiens c'est bizarre, je recois par mail la notification de mon second commit mais pas du premier !!! 08:49 pierrick paul: about coding presentation guidelines, I won't answer on fr.comp.lang.perl but on koha-devel. But before doing this, I'd like to read the discussions you had several months ago... Can you tell me when to search in the archives ? 08:59 pierrick this thread I suppose http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/koha-devel/2003-05/msg00078.html