Time Nick Message 10:59 kados I hope it is up to date 10:59 kados I wrote up a short description some time ago 10:59 kados http://www.kohadocs.org/Updating_Koha.html 10:59 pierrick_ (I was quite sure it would this kind of solution :-) 10:58 kados there are five symlinks to create 10:58 kados it's quite simple to do 10:58 kados right, you need to symlink your web server locations to the cvs repo 10:58 pierrick_ I suppose my web server don't use files in my working copy 10:58 kados right ... I will explain it 10:57 pierrick_ Well... in fact I don't understand how developers work (environment) 10:56 kados I can help you there if you need help as I've done it several times recently 10:56 kados right 10:56 pierrick_ Not a stable release (easy) but HEAD 10:56 kados head or rel_2_2? 10:55 pierrick_ my challenge of the day : install a clean Koha working copy 10:55 kados I used to use emacs ... but I was won over to vi 10:54 pierrick_ (about sentences function) 10:54 kados :-) 10:54 pierrick_ Reading the wiki, I thought you were using Emacs :-/ 10:54 kados chris uses jed ... that may be what you're seeing 10:53 kados like paul uses 10:53 pierrick_ oups 10:53 kados and I recently switched to 4-char tabs 10:53 pierrick_ Joshua, I believe you're using Emacs, can you send me an extract of your .emacs configuration file for Perl programming ? (so that we'll have same indents, and so on) 10:51 pierrick_ thank you Joshua 10:48 kados pierrick_: welcome to Koha :-) 10:48 kados paul: glad to see the dates finalized 10:48 kados hi all 10:32 pierrick_ I'm back 10:10 paul non 10:10 |hdl| paul_lunch: are you still away ? 09:37 pierrick_ Je vais manger et je m'occupe de tout ça cette après-midi, @+ 09:37 pierrick_ j'ai un base MySQL mais pas Zebra encore. 09:37 pierrick_ une base MySQL ou Zebra ? 09:31 |hdl| Tu as une base de test ? 09:30 |hdl| En fait, on a besoin en plus d'un serveur Zebra et de bien le configurer. 09:30 |hdl| Effectivement, la version 3.0 est assez ardue à installer. 09:29 |hdl| oui pierrick_. 09:24 pierrick_ hdl, tu vois l'historique des messages que j'ai posté en ton absence ? (je réponds à ta question de tout à l'heure et j'en pose une autre) 09:07 pierrick_ installer une version stable n'est pas vraiment un problème, par contre, j'ai du mal à installer une copie de travail. J'ai lu le wiki, mais il semble être obsolete, j'ai regardé le script buildrelease, mais je ne pense que ce soit la solution pour un développeur :-/ Existe-t-il une documentation à ce sujet ? 08:21 pierrick_ ça va très bien, je configure mon PC en ce moment, mon Emacs en particulier 08:20 pierrick_ oups, je ne suis pas suffisamment attentif... comment je vais ? 08:10 |hdl| Bon. 08:10 paul_lunch (pas vraiment...) 08:10 |hdl| Ai-je réglé le problème d'accent ? 08:10 |hdl| hé hé. 08:09 paul code cool, propre et toussa. Juste quelques petites modifs pour harmoniser le tout et faire les templates PROG 08:09 |hdl| cool. 08:09 |hdl| Comment vas-tu pierrick ? 08:09 paul ce fut l'autre partie de mon voyage en train ;-) 08:08 paul - la gestion des jours feriés. 08:08 paul - des news à l'opac et dans l'itnerface pro 08:08 paul cet aprem, si j'ai le temps, je vais commiter 2 trucs bien sympa, fournis par Tümer : 08:08 |hdl| Alors, cool ? 08:08 |hdl| Mais cela ne fonctionne pas encore. 08:08 |hdl| J'ai essaye de passer ce matin pour pouvoir intégrer les biblio en 3.0 08:07 paul Je suis le maitre du monde !!!! le gardien des clef et le cerbère de la porte... 08:07 |hdl| Je dois certainement en avoir. Je suis nouveau en utf-8. 08:07 paul 3 secondes + rapide ... hehe... 08:07 |hdl| montpellier :) 08:07 paul montpellier. 08:06 pierrick_ Qu'est ce qu'mpl ? 08:06 |hdl| Oui. 08:06 pierrick_ (encore des problèmes d'accents ;-) 08:06 |hdl| Bonjour pierrick. 08:06 paul (tu es en utf8 ?) 08:06 pierrick_ Bonjour henri-damien 08:06 |hdl| (En fat un cagibi. :) ) 08:06 paul ouah ! la promotion !!! 08:06 |hdl| Mais on étudie la possibilité de passer dans un placard... :) 08:05 |hdl| Pour l'instant, dans la chambre. 08:05 paul tant mieux. tu t'es trouvé une place correcte dans l'appart ? 08:05 |hdl| oui, ca dépote bien. 08:00 paul alors, ca dépote bien nérim ? 07:59 paul super nouvelle ! 07:59 paul ah, et il est à mpl qui plus est 07:59 paul tiens, encore un francais ! 07:51 pierrick_ OK, je vais demander à JPS et EB 07:49 paul certains lisent la liste et font suivre les informations à l'extérieur de la dite liste. donc ce sera une vraie annonce publique. 07:48 paul sachant que : 07:48 paul Un truc du genre "coucou, c'est moi le ptit nouveau, je suis super content de bosser sur Koha, je vais faire ca, ca et ca dans les mois qui viennent" 07:48 paul Pierrick_ : ce serait bien que tu voies avec JPS et EB comment te présenter sur la liste francophone infos. 07:37 pierrick_ good night chris 07:31 paul good night chris 07:29 chris good night 07:29 chris ok, time for bed for me 07:11 pierrick_ thanks, I'll first make some tests on #test ;-) 07:10 paul just /msg paul some message, and you'll have a private chanel between you and me 07:10 chris you can use #test 07:10 pierrick (sorry to leave and come back... is there a trash channel to make some encoding compliance tests?) éàéàà07:07 chris oh excellent paul 07:07 chris and super 14 .. so lots of rugby to watch :) 07:07 paul i've met ineo yesterday. i've flushed my mailbox, i'll write a mail about definitive dates for KohaCon in the next hour. 07:06 chris friday night 07:06 chris not yet paul 07:06 paul yes, accents are better. 07:06 pierrick_ salut osmoze 07:06 pierrick_ on dirait que les accents passent mieux, non ? 07:05 pierrick_ je suis en iso via xchat éà 07:05 paul wow... two pierrick for the same price !!! 07:05 osmoze hi too pierrick 07:05 chris hi pierrick 07:05 paul hello chris. still not sleeping ? 07:04 paul ladies and gentlemen, i'm happy to introduce pierrick... 07:04 paul Pierrick, n'hésite pas à te présenter, puisqu'on n'est plus seuls ! 07:04 osmoze hello all and excuse me 07:04 chris evening northern hemispherites :) 07:04 paul seems yes : ping timeout à 624 secondes. 07:04 osmoze this/with 07:03 osmoze around but a lot of probleme this my connection 07:03 paul osmoze around, or just a bot ? 07:03 paul when you'll write in english, you won't have any problem with our french accents. 07:02 pierrick essai en iso éà07:02 pierrick irssi-text 07:02 pierrick pour l'archivage, il faudrait peut-être que je passe en iso... 07:02 paul ??? tu utilises quoi comme client irc ? 07:01 pierrick oui, si je mets mon terminal en iso, il s'emmêle les pinceaux 07:01 paul (mais ca ne sera pas un pb en english) 07:01 paul du cop, les accents sont assez rigolos vu d'ici... 07:01 pierrick (d'ailleurs, je fait beaucoup de fautes...) 07:01 paul ah, tiens, déjà, tu es en utf8 07:00 pierrick je dois me faiarisé avec l'utilisation de mon client IRC, j'utilise très très rarement... 06:59 paul donc attention à ce que tu écris ;-) 06:59 pierrick Oc 06:59 paul www.koha.org/irc 06:59 paul je ne t'ai pas dit que tout sur ce canal était archivé : 06:59 paul donc on peut causer francais. 06:59 paul non, mais à cette heure, on est seuls. 06:59 paul (habituellement, il n'y a que les frenchies qui sont debout à cette heure) 06:59 pierrick french speaking channel? 06:58 paul welcome onboard ! 06:58 paul tiens, un petit nouveau ;-) 22:55 kados opac-auth.tmpl 22:52 kados where is that login generated from? 22:52 kados I don't get it 22:50 kados I bet that second template param doesn't get called in that case 22:49 kados ahh ... right 22:49 kados er? 22:48 owen I don't think that's it. Because if you log in, opac-user.pl is styled properly. It's just the login form 22:47 kados yep 22:46 owen Are you looking at opac-user.pl? 22:45 kados opaclayoutstylesheet => C4::Context->preference("opaclayoutstylesheet"), 22:45 kados opaccolorstylesheet => C4::Context->preference("opaccolorstylesheet"), 22:45 kados well strangely it's in there 22:43 kados hmm 22:43 owen But I'm not really sure what file to modify 22:43 owen This page is obviously not getting the new opac system preferences 22:42 owen http://templatelabsopac.liblime.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-user.pl 22:42 kados owen: yep 22:35 owen kados around? 20:18 thd kados: later or tomorrow 20:17 thd kados: I failed to mention some record conversion price information that I had obtained. 20:16 thd s/authorises/authorities/ 20:15 thd kados: I will see what answer I can obtain about authorises with subdivisions tomorrow. 20:14 thd kados: I have to go out for a few hours. 20:14 thd kados: They may not be indexed there or there may be another issue. 20:13 thd kados: I cannot find any 180 authorities at http://authorities.loc.gov . 20:10 thd kados: are you there? 20:05 tim The strange thing is that they're reserves for people who haven't signed up for accounts yet. 20:03 tim Because we have a bunch of reserves, but only two make it to the list. 20:01 tim Is the reserve list just for reserves people make online from their accounts? 19:00 thd The control number for the authority record for the heading. This subfield is intended to be used with the UNIMARC Authorities Format. Not repeatable. 19:00 thd $3 Authority Record Number 18:52 thd kados: In UNIMARC authorities there are at least no separate authority types for subdivisions. 18:51 thd ? 18:51 thd kados: do you see the issue that I am identifying 18:46 kados i'm going to read over the docs on itsmarc's site 18:45 thd # 185 - HEADING--FORM SUBDIVISION (NR) 18:45 thd # 182 - HEADING--CHRONOLOGICAL SUBDIVISION (NR) 18:45 thd # 181 - HEADING--GEOGRAPHIC SUBDIVISION (NR) 18:45 thd # 180 - HEADING--GENERAL SUBDIVISION (NR) 18:45 thd # 155 - HEADING--GENRE/FORM TERM (NR) 18:45 thd # 151 - HEADING--GEOGRAPHIC NAME (NR) 18:45 thd # 150 - HEADING--TOPICAL TERM (NR) 18:45 thd kados: Subdivisions have separate authority files 18:44 thd s/authorises/authorities/ 18:43 thd kados: I have not studied deeply how authorises might work for this example but there is no authority record containing all that as a single authorised topical heading. 18:41 thd kados: but you may have a subject like 650 #0$aArchitecture$zIllinois$zChicago$xHistory$vPictorial works. in your bibliographic record 18:39 kados (not even a link right?) 18:39 kados but in it's authority record for $a there is just one field right? 18:38 thd kados: linking those would require more than one $9 18:37 thd n subject authorities 18:37 thd kados: MARC 21 has separate authority records for $a than for $x 18:36 kados I understand that 18:36 kados ok ... for linking an auth record to a bib record 18:36 thd kados: To remind you $3 is the standard in UNIMARC which paul adapted as $9 for any MARC. 18:35 kados I still don't understand, sorry 18:35 thd s/$150/150/ 18:34 thd kados: They may exist that way in UNIMARC for use with the standard $3 18:34 thd kados: There are no subject authorities in the form of $150 $a $x $X $z $y 18:33 kados caused 18:33 kados so what is the problem cause by a single $9? 18:32 thd kados: I think we could do a passable job to address all the other issues before addressing that problem. 18:31 thd kados: Maybe a more significant code change would address that where $9 was repeatable and well ordered. 18:30 thd kados: This seems to cause a problem for a single $9 if there are subject subdivisions. 18:29 thd kados: There seems to be a difference between how subject authorities work for UNIMARC as compared to MARC 21. 18:28 kados thd: the clean up I assume would be automated with perhaps some manual components 18:28 thd kados: There may be an issue with subject subdivisions 18:27 kados thd: if so, I may be able to swing this 18:27 kados thd: using Koha with some minor modifications 18:27 kados thd: the real question is: can I use LOC authority files to 'clean up' the authorities for my current client 18:27 kados right 18:26 thd kados: and If you have very many customers for your 6 million records then you can recover your cost at a very low price. 18:26 kados if it was a one time cost maybe 18:26 kados 11K per year is kinda steep 18:25 kados thd: that's true 18:25 thd kados: 6 million records should be now problem in 6 months of development 18:25 owen I've only done cosmetic markup changes to the templates. No functionality changes to the scripts. 18:24 thd owen: I assume that function like the default means that you have not yet changed the template so the authorised name appears in the result of an authority search 18:24 kados thd: of course, Koha in it's current state could never handle 6 million authority records for authors :-) 18:23 kados thd: interestingly, that might be an option 18:23 kados k ... demos updated 18:22 thd kados: Liblime could be come a reseller and at least supply authority records along with Koha support as an extra value option 18:22 owen Was there a problem also with pages in admin ? 18:21 owen yes 18:21 kados owen: just files in the authorities directory in templates? 18:21 thd kados: you could acquire LC MARC records from a reseller but the reseller is liable to impose a usage contract restriction. 18:21 kados owen: great, thanks 18:20 owen kados: I committed updated authorities templates. The styling is incomplete, but they should function just like default. 18:20 kados that's pricy 18:20 kados wow 18:20 thd kados: http://www.loc.gov/cds/mds.html#lcaf 18:19 kados http://www.aacr2.org/governance.html 18:19 thd kados: LC MARC records can be used in whatever way you want after you have pad for the very high distribution fee. 18:18 thd kados: yes ALA, LA, and one other organisation perhaps have collective copyright on AACR2. 18:14 thd kados: you could host the concise documentation and you could offer LC MARC records for free. 17:57 kados well ... database is a copy ... 17:57 kados different database, same scripts and templates as regular demo 17:57 kados http://koha2.liblime.com/ 17:56 kados http://opac2.liblime.com/ 17:56 kados ok ... new demos ready: 17:43 thd kados: for future reference the authority frameworks are held in 3 tables 17:42 thd ok 17:42 kados thd: naw ... 17:41 thd kados: actually, only the authority frameworks would be best for exporting to the NPL test box if you had wanted to do that. 17:41 kados thd: you would be surprised how many visits the demos get every day 17:40 kados thd: so we can hack on it without scaring customers away :-) 17:40 kados thd: based on the demo 17:40 kados thd: I'm just going to quickly create a completely new database 17:40 thd kados: That will capture all the authority information inculing the individual authority files. 17:39 thd kados: you need to dump all the tables starting with auth_ 17:35 kados thd: :-) 17:35 thd kados: well I am glad to be living in the future now 17:34 kados thd: I already asked for months with this client :) 17:34 thd kados: what happened to your having to ask for months for people to make up their mind? 17:33 kados thd: in fact, it's already funded :-) 17:33 kados thd: yes 17:33 kados thd: so should we work on a bulkauthimport.pl next? 17:33 thd kados: Do you have someone interested in funding bulkauthimport and use of authorities past $a? 17:32 kados owen: since the authorities framework seems to be working there 17:32 kados owen: let me know as soon as you have committed the fixes, I'll update the Liblime demo 17:31 thd kados: The template needs to be fixed to return the authorised value visibly as part of a search result. 17:30 kados should be quite simple to merge it over 17:30 kados it seems like the code to do it is already in the intranet 17:30 thd kados: Koha had never been set up for OPAC use of authorities. Paul had been saving that for 3.0 17:29 kados yep 17:28 thd kados: I mean your custom LibLime templates miss the navigation element to authorities. 17:28 kados http://koha.liblime.com/cgi-bin/koha/authorities/authorities-home.pl 17:28 kados thd: it does work 17:27 thd kados: aside from the problem that your templates cannot find authorities? 17:27 thd kados: does it not work with npl on the intranet? 17:26 kados with either template 17:26 kados the OPAC does not work 17:26 kados but only from the intranet 17:26 kados thd: ok ... so the authorities search works with default templates now 17:26 kados thd: yea, I was testing 17:26 thd kados: npl templatea are back 17:23 thd kados: save that new biblio record. now if you make another record or search authorities from the authority search you should have one biblio already. 17:22 kados yep, it did 17:22 thd s/jame hill/James Hill/ 17:21 thd when you add jame hill using the plugin. 17:21 thd kados: ok see if $9 end up populated the authority record number. 17:20 kados now I"ll create a new book 17:20 kados ok, a new authority for author 'James Hill' was created 17:19 thd kados: really, it was left out of the MARC 21 bibliographic framework 17:18 kados now I'll add a new authority record for authors 17:18 kados ok, done 17:18 kados ok, so I must create $9 first ... it's not ther eby default 17:17 kados thd: ahh ... got it 17:17 kados thd: er? 17:16 thd kados: set 100 $9 to managed in the same tab as 100 $a for the bibliographic framework. 17:15 kados I'll make the default templates available again 17:15 thd kados: Or even to hdl who must understand the authorises code well. 17:15 kados ok, lets do it 17:14 thd kados: We should do one experiment to at least give you some information to convey to paul. 17:13 kados I haven't played with it since last night, but I know it wasn't working last night 17:13 thd kados: I suspect that you had created Kerr before the author authority type framework had been defined correctly. 17:12 thd kados: The Kerr authority record was not created as an author record for some reason. 17:11 thd kados: Did you try linking bibliographic records to Joshua on that system? 17:10 kados thd: the liblime server has exactly the same problems that the NPL test box has 17:09 thd s/hose/home/ 17:08 thd kados: what was the problem on the LibLime server? 17:07 thd kados: not on my hose system but you have one for the liblime box. 17:07 kados thd: I don't have a working framework on any of my boxes 17:07 kados thd: do you have one? 17:07 thd kados: I mean an SQL dump of a working authority framework. 17:06 thd kados: Why not try with an SQL dump of the authority framework. 17:06 kados thd: ie subfield repeatability and reordering? 17:06 kados thd: do you want to discuss improvements to the MARC editor? 17:06 thd kados: This should not be difficult to fix. 17:05 kados thd: lets postpone the authorities work till I can talk to paul 17:05 thd kados: the statement of responsibility for the record would still include your name just as it appeared in the published version, no matter what the actual authorised form of your name was. 17:04 kados in the meantime, maybe owen will have had a chance to update the npl templates so that I can bear to view the screens :-) 17:04 kados so I guess we'll have to wait until next week to work on authorities 17:04 kados my head's too full already to attempt to reverse engineer right now 17:03 kados so basically we need to either dive into the code or wait for paul to return from paris so we can bug him to fix authorities 17:03 owen We agree, thd: that's why it's so frustrating that the existing system doesn't seem to work properly 17:03 thd kados: So you might appear as Joshua Mxxx Ferraro 19XX- in the copyright office files and that name could be used to find all your works and distinguish you from every other Joshua Ferraro 17:01 thd kados: your authorised name would be the most complete form of your name that would ideally have been taken from the most complete form of your name with birth year filed at the copyright office if you did the right thing and registered your copyrights. 16:59 thd kados: in one book the copyright page may show your name as J M Ferraro, another Joshua Ferraro, another Josh Ferraro, another JMF, another kados. 16:57 thd kados: Authorities are valuable so that every time we catalogue another one of your fine works we do not attribute a different name to you despite the fact that you may have had your name printed in different ways in each of your books. 16:56 kados I just don't understand how paul's libraries function with this system 16:55 thd kados: problem 1 may be caused by the cause of problem 2 although they ought to be independent problems under some possible design. 16:55 kados (in fact, this might solve the problems that BWS Johnson has mentioned about current misshandling of 650x) 16:54 kados though it might not take much to make an OPAC authorities search 16:54 kados the other problem I stated about the OPAC really makes authorities mostly useless in their current state 16:54 kados 2. the authorities records aren't properly linking to the bib records 16:53 kados 1. when you do a search for an authority record it doesn't tell you the value ... just the type and summary 16:53 kados I see two issues so far 16:52 thd kados: If it is merely a question of adding the authorised form to the list of authorities returned from a search that should be relatively easy to fix. 16:50 thd kados: When I had investigated months ago I had noticed only the issue where summary needed to be populated. 16:49 thd s/term/authorised form of the authority/ 16:49 thd kados: Perhaps something is missing because building authorities uses some obscure SQL storage to display the term. 16:46 thd kados: yes there does seem to be a template defect 16:46 kados the authority records aren't attaching to the bib records 16:46 kados well it doesn't work in the intranet either 16:46 thd kados: so you could not search on kados to find Joshua 16:46 kados ahh 16:45 thd kados: authority searching is not yet supported in the OPAC 16:43 thd kados I am back 16:42 kados hehe 16:42 kados thd: let me know when you're back 16:41 kados without having to edit all the records 16:41 kados to all the books I've written 16:41 kados Sir Joshua Ferraro 16:41 kados and you wanted to add 16:41 kados ie if I suddenly were to be knighted 16:41 kados would be to have the ability to bulk update the value of an authority 16:40 kados so as near as I can tell, the only reason someone would want to use this 16:40 kados then a search on it is just a normal author search -- it doesn't allow me to pull up the records that are linked to that authority 16:39 kados all it does is copy the textual value of that authority record into the search box 16:39 owen The only part of that table that isn't broken is 'edit' and 'delete' ! 16:39 kados also, when I do select the value there 16:39 kados puzzle even 16:39 kados so that's a puzzel 16:39 kados when I happen to know it's used in two records 16:39 kados it also says 'Used in' 0 records 16:38 kados (of course it doesn't tell me what the actual term is, so it's pretty much useless) 16:38 kados I see the Personal Name Author Authorities entry 16:38 kados using 'ferraro' 16:38 kados when I do an OPAC dictionary search for 'author' 16:28 thd owen: obviously a bad translation from French :) 16:28 owen Right now when I do a search I get this: in the results table: ' Personal Name Author Authorities' '0 biblio(s)' [incorrect] ' Authority number 2' [edit] [delete] 16:26 owen Yeah, that's what I said 16:26 thd owen: also the description is the small text box in the authority type creation form while the summary is the large text area. 16:25 thd owen: It may actually have worked correctly earlier. 16:24 thd owen: However that may be a bug/design error. 16:24 thd owen: The authority system was designed to return the value of the authority to the form so maybe it shows nothing with only one match found. 16:22 owen How do you know what you're editing if all it shows is 'Author' and an authority id number? 16:21 owen thd: do you know why the authority search results page wouldn't show the value of the authority? 16:20 owen But in the authority edit screen, description is the text input line and summary is the huge textarea! 16:20 thd owen: Descriptions are usually long summaries :) 16:19 owen thd: do you know why there would be both description and summary? 16:18 thd owen: that was because kados had omitted summary text from the author authority type he had created. 16:16 owen kados, you know how nothing was showing up under 'summary' when we searched for an authority? 15:46 thd kados: yes I have time 15:46 kados thd: if you have some time to troubleshoot that'd be great 15:46 kados thd: can't really get them working on koha.liblime.com either 15:46 kados thd: I can't get the MARC Authorities working on my other test server 15:38 kados tim: what was the difference? 15:29 tim I just noticed the information around the patron photos on the circ computers looked different from mine. Different versions of Firefox. I'm upgradigng the circ computers. 15:26 kados thd: can't really get them working on koha.liblime.com either 15:25 kados thd: I can't get the MARC Authorities working on my other test server 14:10 thd yes kados 13:43 kados thd: you here? 13:19 kados yep 13:19 tim Was that an ok way to fix it? 13:19 kados cool 13:19 tim Yup 13:18 kados did that fix it? 13:18 tim kados: renews weren't working. Got a 404 error. Copied renewscript.pl from cvsrepos/2.2.x/koha/ to intranet/cgi-bin/members 12:54 |hdl| or do it myself... :> 12:51 |hdl| I shall tell him :) 12:51 owen Maybe he hasn't committed it yet? I don't see it. 12:48 |hdl| It is just for ppl to be able to detail by branch 12:47 |hdl| Paul made a correction to opac-mainpage. 12:47 |hdl| It should be now. 12:46 owen It doesn't seem to be linked to from anywhere 12:46 owen Hi. I'm curious about an opac script that is fairly new: opac-recacquisitions.pl 12:45 |hdl| yes 12:45 owen |hdl|, are you around? 11:17 shedges thnx! 11:16 kados k ... it's called importcurrent 11:15 kados yep ... just a sec 11:15 shedges (and want to be sure I'm working on the right version) 11:14 shedges I need to take a look at it, don't have permission 11:14 shedges kados: can you copy .76/home/basement/bin/import into my directory? 11:14 shedges good deal! 11:13 kados looks like the cron jobs ran this morning 11:13 kados morning 11:08 shedges morning kados