Time  Nick       Message
11:08 shedges    morning kados
11:13 kados      morning
11:13 kados      looks like the cron jobs ran this morning
11:14 shedges    good deal!
11:14 shedges    kados:  can you copy .76/home/basement/bin/import into my directory?
11:14 shedges    I need to take a look at it, don't have permission
11:15 shedges    (and want to be sure I'm working on the right version)
11:15 kados      yep ... just a sec
11:16 kados      k ... it's called importcurrent
11:17 shedges    thnx!
12:45 owen       |hdl|, are you around?
12:45 |hdl|      yes
12:46 owen       Hi. I'm curious about an opac script that is fairly new: opac-recacquisitions.pl
12:46 owen       It doesn't seem to be linked to from anywhere
12:47 |hdl|      It should be now.
12:47 |hdl|      Paul made a correction to opac-mainpage.
12:48 |hdl|      It is just for ppl to be able to detail by branch
12:51 owen       Maybe he hasn't committed it yet? I don't see it.
12:51 |hdl|      I shall tell him :)
12:54 |hdl|      or do it myself... :>
13:18 tim        kados: renews weren't working.  Got a 404 error.  Copied renewscript.pl from cvsrepos/2.2.x/koha/ to intranet/cgi-bin/members
13:18 kados      did that fix it?
13:19 tim        Yup
13:19 kados      cool
13:19 tim        Was that an ok way to fix it?
13:19 kados      yep
13:43 kados      thd: you here?
14:10 thd        yes kados
15:25 kados      thd: I can't get the MARC Authorities working on my other test server
15:26 kados      thd: can't really get them working on koha.liblime.com either
15:29 tim        I just noticed the information around the patron photos on the circ computers looked different from mine.  Different versions of Firefox.  I'm upgradigng the circ computers.
15:38 kados      tim: what was the difference?
15:46 kados      thd: I can't get the MARC Authorities working on my other test server
15:46 kados      thd: can't really get them working on koha.liblime.com either
15:46 kados      thd: if you have some time to troubleshoot that'd be great
15:46 thd        kados: yes I have time
16:16 owen       kados, you know how nothing was showing up under 'summary' when we searched for an authority?
16:18 thd        owen: that was because kados had omitted summary text from the author authority type he had created.
16:19 owen       thd: do you know why there would be both description and summary?
16:20 thd        owen: Descriptions are usually long summaries :)
16:20 owen       But in the authority edit screen, description is the text input line and summary is the huge textarea!
16:21 owen       thd: do you know why the authority search results page wouldn't show the value of the authority?
16:22 owen       How do you know what you're editing if all it shows is 'Author' and an authority id number?
16:24 thd        owen: The authority system was designed to return the value of the authority to the form so maybe it shows nothing with only one match found.
16:24 thd        owen: However that may be a bug/design error.
16:25 thd        owen: It may actually have worked correctly earlier.
16:26 thd        owen: also the description is the small text box in the authority type creation form while the summary is the large text area.
16:26 owen       Yeah, that's what I said
16:28 owen       Right now when I do a search I get this: in the results table: ' Personal Name Author Authorities'  	 '0 biblio(s)' [incorrect]   	 ' Authority number 2' [edit] [delete]    	
16:28 thd        owen: obviously a bad translation from French :)
16:38 kados      when I do an OPAC dictionary search for 'author'
16:38 kados      using 'ferraro'
16:38 kados      I see the Personal Name Author Authorities entry
16:38 kados      (of course it doesn't tell me what the actual term is, so it's pretty much useless)
16:39 kados      it also says 'Used in' 0 records
16:39 kados      when I happen to know it's used in two records
16:39 kados      so that's a puzzel
16:39 kados      puzzle even
16:39 kados      also, when I do select the value there
16:39 owen       The only part of that table that isn't broken is 'edit' and 'delete' !
16:39 kados      all it does is copy the textual value of that authority record into the search box
16:40 kados      then a search on it is just a normal author search -- it doesn't allow me to pull up the records that are linked to that authority
16:40 kados      so as near as I can tell, the only reason someone would want to use this
16:41 kados      would be to have the ability to bulk update the value of an authority
16:41 kados      ie if I suddenly were to be knighted
16:41 kados      and you wanted to add
16:41 kados      Sir Joshua Ferraro
16:41 kados      to all the books I've written
16:41 kados      without having to edit all the records
16:42 kados      thd: let me know when you're back
16:42 kados      hehe
16:43 thd        kados I am back
16:45 thd        kados: authority searching is not yet supported in the OPAC
16:46 kados      ahh
16:46 thd        kados: so you could not search on kados to find Joshua
16:46 kados      well it doesn't work in the intranet either
16:46 kados      the authority records aren't attaching to the bib records
16:46 thd        kados: yes there does seem to be a template defect
16:49 thd        kados: Perhaps something is missing because building authorities uses some obscure SQL storage to display the term.
16:49 thd        s/term/authorised form of the authority/
16:50 thd        kados: When I had investigated months ago I had noticed only the issue where summary needed to be populated.
16:52 thd        kados: If it is merely a question of adding the authorised form to the list of authorities returned from a search that should be relatively easy to fix.
16:53 kados      I see two issues so far
16:53 kados      1. when you do a search for an authority record it doesn't tell you the value ... just the type and summary
16:54 kados      2. the authorities records aren't properly linking to the bib records
16:54 kados      the other problem I stated about the OPAC really makes authorities mostly useless in their current state
16:54 kados      though it might not take much to make an OPAC authorities search
16:55 kados      (in fact, this might solve the problems that BWS Johnson has mentioned about current misshandling of 650x)
16:55 thd        kados: problem 1 may be caused by the cause of problem 2 although they ought to be independent problems under some possible design.
16:56 kados      I just don't understand how paul's libraries function with this system
16:57 thd        kados: Authorities are valuable so that every time we catalogue another one of your fine works we do not attribute a different name to you despite the fact that you may have had your name printed in different ways in each of your books.
16:59 thd        kados: in one book the copyright page may show your name as J M Ferraro, another Joshua Ferraro, another Josh Ferraro, another JMF, another kados.
17:01 thd        kados: your authorised name would be the most complete form of your name that would ideally have been taken from the most complete form of your name with birth year filed at the copyright office if you did the right thing and registered your copyrights.
17:03 thd        kados: So you might appear as Joshua Mxxx Ferraro 19XX- in the copyright office files and that name could be used to find all your works and distinguish you from every other Joshua Ferraro
17:03 owen       We agree, thd: that's why it's so frustrating that the existing system doesn't seem to work properly
17:03 kados      so basically we need to either dive into the code or wait for paul to return from paris so we can bug him to fix authorities
17:04 kados      my head's too full already to attempt to reverse engineer right now
17:04 kados      so I guess we'll have to wait until next week to work on authorities
17:04 kados      in the meantime, maybe owen will have had a chance to update the npl templates so that I can bear to view the screens :-)
17:05 thd        kados: the statement of responsibility for the record would still include your name just as it appeared in the published version, no matter what the actual authorised form of your name was.
17:05 kados      thd: lets postpone the authorities work till I can talk to paul
17:06 thd        kados: This should not be difficult to fix.
17:06 kados      thd: do you want to discuss improvements to the MARC editor?
17:06 kados      thd: ie subfield repeatability and reordering?
17:06 thd        kados: Why not try with an SQL dump of the authority framework.
17:07 thd        kados: I mean an SQL dump of a working authority framework.
17:07 kados      thd: do you have one?
17:07 kados      thd: I don't have a working framework on any of my boxes
17:07 thd        kados: not on my hose system but you have one for the liblime box.
17:08 thd        kados: what was the problem on the LibLime server?
17:09 thd        s/hose/home/
17:10 kados      thd: the liblime server has exactly the same problems that the NPL test box has
17:11 thd        kados: Did you try linking bibliographic records to Joshua on that system?
17:12 thd        kados: The Kerr authority record was not created as an author record for some reason.
17:13 thd        kados: I suspect that you had created Kerr before the author authority type framework had been defined correctly.
17:13 kados      I haven't played with it since last night, but I know it wasn't working last night
17:14 thd        kados: We should do one experiment to at least give you some information to convey to paul.
17:15 kados      ok, lets do it
17:15 thd        kados: Or even to hdl who must understand the authorises code well.
17:15 kados      I'll make the default templates available again
17:16 thd        kados: set 100 $9 to managed in the same tab as 100 $a for the bibliographic framework.
17:17 kados      thd: er?
17:17 kados      thd: ahh ... got it
17:18 kados      ok, so I must create $9 first ... it's not ther eby default
17:18 kados      ok, done
17:18 kados      now I'll add a new authority record for authors
17:19 thd        kados: really, it was left out of the MARC 21 bibliographic framework
17:20 kados      ok, a new authority for author 'James Hill' was created
17:20 kados      now I"ll create a new book
17:21 thd        kados: ok see if $9 end up populated the authority record number.
17:21 thd        when you add jame hill using the plugin.
17:22 thd        s/jame hill/James Hill/
17:22 kados      yep, it did
17:23 thd        kados: save that new biblio record.  now if you make another record or search authorities from the authority search you should have one biblio already.
17:26 thd        kados: npl templatea are back
17:26 kados      thd: yea, I was testing
17:26 kados      thd: ok ... so the authorities search works with default templates now
17:26 kados      but only from the intranet
17:26 kados      the OPAC does not work
17:26 kados      with either template
17:27 thd        kados: does it not work with npl on the intranet?
17:27 thd        kados: aside from the problem that your templates cannot find authorities?
17:28 kados      thd: it does work
17:28 kados      http://koha.liblime.com/cgi-bin/koha/authorities/authorities-home.pl
17:28 thd        kados: I mean your custom LibLime templates miss the navigation element to authorities.
17:29 kados      yep
17:30 thd        kados: Koha had never been set up for OPAC use of authorities.  Paul had been saving that for 3.0
17:30 kados      it seems like the code to do it is already in the intranet
17:30 kados      should be quite simple to merge it over
17:31 thd        kados: The template needs to be fixed to return the authorised value visibly as part of a search result.
17:32 kados      owen: let me know as soon as you have committed the fixes, I'll update the Liblime demo
17:32 kados      owen: since the authorities framework seems to be working there
17:33 thd        kados: Do you have someone interested in funding bulkauthimport and use of authorities past $a?
17:33 kados      thd: so should we work on a bulkauthimport.pl next?
17:33 kados      thd: yes
17:33 kados      thd: in fact, it's already funded :-)
17:34 thd        kados: what happened to your having to ask for months for people to make up their mind?
17:34 kados      thd: I already asked for months with this client :)
17:35 thd        kados: well I am glad to be living in the future now
17:35 kados      thd: :-)
17:39 thd        kados: you need to dump all the tables starting with auth_
17:40 thd        kados: That will capture all the authority information inculing the individual authority files.
17:40 kados      thd: I'm just going to quickly create a completely new database
17:40 kados      thd: based on the demo
17:40 kados      thd: so we can hack on it without scaring customers away :-)
17:41 kados      thd: you would be surprised how many visits the demos get every day
17:41 thd        kados: actually, only the authority frameworks would be best for exporting to the NPL test box if you had wanted to do that.
17:42 kados      thd: naw ...
17:42 thd        ok
17:43 thd        kados: for future reference the authority frameworks are held in 3 tables
17:56 kados      ok ... new demos ready:
17:56 kados      http://opac2.liblime.com/
17:57 kados      http://koha2.liblime.com/
17:57 kados      different database, same scripts and templates as regular demo
17:57 kados      well ... database is a copy ...
18:14 thd        kados: you could host the concise documentation and you could offer LC MARC records for free.
18:18 thd        kados: yes ALA, LA, and one other organisation perhaps have collective copyright on AACR2.
18:19 thd        kados: LC MARC records can be used in whatever way you want after you have pad for the very high distribution fee.
18:19 kados      http://www.aacr2.org/governance.html
18:20 thd        kados: http://www.loc.gov/cds/mds.html#lcaf
18:20 kados      wow
18:20 kados      that's pricy
18:20 owen       kados: I committed updated authorities templates. The styling is incomplete, but they should function just like default.
18:21 kados      owen: great, thanks
18:21 thd        kados: you could acquire LC MARC records from a reseller but the reseller is liable to impose a usage contract restriction.
18:21 kados      owen: just files in the authorities directory in templates?
18:21 owen       yes
18:22 owen       Was there a problem also with pages in admin ?
18:22 thd        kados: Liblime could be come a reseller and at least supply authority records along with Koha support as an extra value option
18:23 kados      k ... demos updated
18:23 kados      thd: interestingly, that might be an option
18:24 kados      thd: of course, Koha in it's current state could never handle 6 million authority records for authors :-)
18:24 thd        owen: I assume that function like the default means that you have not yet changed the template so the authorised name appears in the result of an authority search
18:25 owen       I've only done cosmetic markup changes to the templates. No functionality changes to the scripts.
18:25 thd        kados: 6 million records should be now problem in 6 months of development
18:25 kados      thd: that's true
18:26 kados      11K per year is kinda steep
18:26 kados      if it was a one time cost maybe
18:26 thd        kados: and If you have very many customers for your 6 million records then you can recover your cost at a very low price.
18:27 kados      right
18:27 kados      thd: the real question is: can I use LOC authority files to 'clean up' the authorities for my current client
18:27 kados      thd: using Koha with some minor modifications
18:27 kados      thd: if so, I may be able to swing this
18:28 thd        kados: There may be an issue with subject subdivisions
18:28 kados      thd: the clean up I assume would be automated with perhaps some manual components
18:29 thd        kados: There seems to be a difference between how subject authorities work for UNIMARC as compared to MARC 21.
18:30 thd        kados: This seems to cause a problem for a single $9 if there are subject subdivisions.
18:31 thd        kados: Maybe a more significant code change would address that where $9 was repeatable and well ordered.
18:32 thd        kados: I think we could do a passable job to address all the other issues before addressing that problem.
18:33 kados      so what is the problem cause by a single $9?
18:33 kados      caused
18:34 thd        kados: There are no subject authorities in the form of $150 $a $x $X $z $y
18:34 thd        kados: They may exist that way in UNIMARC for use with the standard $3
18:35 thd        s/$150/150/
18:35 kados      I still don't understand, sorry
18:36 thd        kados: To remind you $3 is the standard in UNIMARC which paul adapted as $9 for any MARC.
18:36 kados      ok ... for linking an auth record to a bib record
18:36 kados      I understand that
18:37 thd        kados: MARC 21 has separate authority records for $a than for $x
18:37 thd        n subject authorities
18:38 thd        kados: linking those would require more than one $9
18:39 kados      but in it's authority record for $a there is just one field right?
18:39 kados      (not even a link right?)
18:41 thd        kados: but you may have a subject like 650  #0$aArchitecture$zIllinois$zChicago$xHistory$vPictorial works. in your bibliographic record
18:43 thd        kados: I have not studied deeply how authorises might work for this example but there is no authority record containing all that as a single authorised topical heading.
18:44 thd        s/authorises/authorities/
18:45 thd        kados: Subdivisions have separate authority files
18:45 thd        # 150 - HEADING--TOPICAL TERM (NR)
18:45 thd        # 151 - HEADING--GEOGRAPHIC NAME (NR)
18:45 thd        # 155 - HEADING--GENRE/FORM TERM (NR)
18:45 thd        # 180 - HEADING--GENERAL SUBDIVISION (NR)
18:45 thd        # 181 - HEADING--GEOGRAPHIC SUBDIVISION (NR)
18:45 thd        # 185 - HEADING--FORM SUBDIVISION (NR)
18:46 kados      i'm going to read over the docs on itsmarc's site
18:51 thd        kados: do you see the issue that I am identifying
18:51 thd        ?
18:52 thd        kados: In UNIMARC authorities there are at least no separate authority types for subdivisions.
19:00 thd        $3 Authority Record Number
19:00 thd        The control number for the authority record for the heading. This subfield is intended to be used with the UNIMARC Authorities Format. Not repeatable.
20:01 tim        Is the reserve list just for reserves people make online from their accounts?
20:03 tim        Because we have a bunch of reserves, but only two make it to the list.
20:05 tim        The strange thing is that they're reserves for people who haven't signed up for accounts yet.
20:10 thd        kados: are you there?
20:13 thd        kados: I cannot find any 180 authorities at http://authorities.loc.gov .
20:14 thd        kados: They may not be indexed there or there may be another issue.
20:14 thd        kados: I have to go out for a few hours.
20:15 thd        kados: I will see what answer I can obtain about authorises with subdivisions tomorrow.
20:16 thd        s/authorises/authorities/
20:17 thd        kados: I failed to mention some record conversion price information that I had obtained.
20:18 thd        kados: later or tomorrow
22:35 owen       kados around?
22:42 kados      owen: yep
22:42 owen       http://templatelabsopac.liblime.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-user.pl
22:43 owen       This page is obviously not getting the new opac system preferences
22:43 owen       But I'm not really sure what file to modify
22:43 kados      hmm
22:45 kados      well strangely it's in there
22:45 kados      opaccolorstylesheet => C4::Context->preference("opaccolorstylesheet"),
22:45 kados                                      opaclayoutstylesheet => C4::Context->preference("opaclayoutstylesheet"),
22:46 owen       Are you looking at opac-user.pl?
22:47 kados      yep
22:48 owen       I don't think that's it. Because if you log in, opac-user.pl is styled properly.  It's just the login form
22:49 kados      er?
22:49 kados      ahh ... right
22:50 kados      I bet that second template param doesn't get called in that case
22:52 kados      I don't get it
22:52 kados      where is that login generated from?
22:55 kados      opac-auth.tmpl
06:58 paul       tiens, un petit nouveau ;-)
06:58 paul       welcome onboard !
06:59 pierrick   french speaking channel?
06:59 paul       (habituellement, il n'y a que les frenchies qui sont debout à cette heure)
06:59 paul       non, mais à cette heure, on est seuls.
06:59 paul       donc on peut causer francais.
06:59 paul       je ne t'ai pas dit que tout sur ce canal était archivé :
06:59 paul       www.koha.org/irc
06:59 pierrick   Oc
06:59 paul       donc attention à ce que tu écris ;-)
07:00 pierrick   je dois me faiarisé avec l'utilisation de mon client IRC, j'utilise très très rarement...
07:01 paul       ah, tiens, déjà, tu es en utf8
07:01 pierrick   (d'ailleurs, je fait beaucoup de fautes...)
07:01 paul       du cop, les accents sont assez rigolos vu d'ici...
07:01 paul       (mais ca ne sera pas un pb en english)
07:01 pierrick   oui, si je mets mon terminal en iso, il s'emmêle les pinceaux
07:02 paul       ??? tu utilises quoi comme client irc ?
07:02 pierrick   pour l'archivage, il faudrait peut-être que je passe en iso...
07:02 pierrick   irssi-text
07:02 pierrick   essai en iso éà
07:03 paul       when you'll write in english, you won't have any problem with our french accents.
07:03 paul       osmoze around, or just a bot ?
07:03 osmoze     around but a lot of probleme this my connection
07:04 osmoze     this/with
07:04 paul       seems yes : ping timeout à 624 secondes.
07:04 chris      evening northern hemispherites :)
07:04 osmoze     hello all and excuse me
07:04 paul       Pierrick, n'hésite pas à te présenter, puisqu'on n'est plus seuls !
07:04 paul       ladies and gentlemen, i'm happy to introduce pierrick...
07:05 paul       hello chris. still not sleeping ?
07:05 chris      hi pierrick
07:05 osmoze     hi too pierrick
07:05 paul       wow... two pierrick for the same price !!!
07:05 pierrick_  je suis en iso via xchat ��
07:06 pierrick_  on dirait que les accents passent mieux, non ?
07:06 pierrick_  salut osmoze
07:06 paul       yes, accents are better.
07:06 chris      not yet paul
07:06 chris      friday night
07:07 paul       i've met ineo yesterday. i've flushed my mailbox, i'll write a mail about definitive dates for KohaCon in the next hour.
07:07 chris      and super 14 .. so lots of rugby to watch :)
07:07 chris      oh excellent paul
07:10 pierrick   (sorry to leave and come back... is there a trash channel to make some encoding compliance tests?) éàéàà
07:10 chris      you can use #test
07:10 paul       just /msg paul some message, and you'll have a private chanel between you and me
07:11 pierrick_  thanks, I'll first make some tests on #test ;-)
07:29 chris      ok, time for bed for me
07:29 chris      good night
07:31 paul       good night chris
07:37 pierrick_  good night chris
07:48 paul       Pierrick_ : ce serait bien que tu voies avec JPS et EB comment te présenter sur la liste francophone infos.
07:48 paul       Un truc du genre "coucou, c'est moi le ptit nouveau, je suis super content de bosser sur Koha, je vais faire ca, ca et ca dans les mois qui viennent"
07:48 paul       sachant que :
07:49 paul       certains lisent la liste et font suivre les informations à l'extérieur de la dite liste. donc ce sera une vraie annonce publique.
07:51 pierrick_  OK, je vais demander à JPS et EB
07:59 paul       tiens, encore un francais !
07:59 paul       ah, et il est à mpl qui plus est
07:59 paul       super nouvelle !
08:00 paul       alors, ca dépote bien nérim ?
08:05 |hdl|      oui, ca dépote bien.
08:05 paul       tant mieux. tu t'es trouvé une place correcte dans l'appart ?
08:05 |hdl|      Pour l'instant, dans la chambre.
08:06 |hdl|      Mais on étudie la possibilité de passer dans un placard... :)
08:06 paul       ouah ! la promotion !!!
08:06 |hdl|      (En fat un cagibi. :) )
08:06 pierrick_  Bonjour henri-damien
08:06 paul       (tu es en utf8 ?)
08:06 |hdl|      Bonjour pierrick.
08:06 pierrick_  (encore des problèmes d'accents ;-)
08:06 |hdl|      Oui.
08:06 pierrick_  Qu'est ce qu'mpl ?
08:07 paul       montpellier.
08:07 |hdl|      montpellier :)
08:07 paul       3 secondes + rapide ... hehe...
08:07 |hdl|      Je dois certainement en avoir. Je suis nouveau en utf-8.
08:07 paul       Je suis le maitre du monde !!!! le gardien des clef et le cerbère de la porte...
08:08 |hdl|      J'ai essaye de passer ce matin pour pouvoir intégrer les biblio en 3.0
08:08 |hdl|      Mais cela ne fonctionne pas encore.
08:08 |hdl|      Alors, cool ?
08:08 paul       cet aprem, si j'ai le temps, je vais commiter 2 trucs bien sympa, fournis par Tümer :
08:08 paul       - des news à l'opac et dans l'itnerface pro
08:08 paul       - la gestion des jours feriés.
08:09 paul       ce fut l'autre partie de mon voyage en train ;-)
08:09 |hdl|      Comment vas-tu pierrick ?
08:09 |hdl|      cool.
08:09 paul       code cool, propre et toussa. Juste quelques petites modifs pour harmoniser le tout et faire les templates PROG
08:10 |hdl|      hé hé.
08:10 |hdl|      Ai-je réglé le problème d'accent ?
08:10 paul_lunch (pas vraiment...)
08:10 |hdl|      Bon.
08:20 pierrick_  oups, je ne suis pas suffisamment attentif... comment je vais ?
08:21 pierrick_  ça va très bien, je configure mon PC en ce moment, mon Emacs en particulier
09:07 pierrick_  installer une version stable n'est pas vraiment un problème, par contre, j'ai du mal à installer une copie de travail. J'ai lu le wiki, mais il semble être obsolete, j'ai regardé le script buildrelease, mais je ne pense que ce soit la solution pour un développeur :-/ Existe-t-il une documentation à ce sujet ?
09:24 pierrick_  hdl, tu vois l'historique des messages que j'ai posté en ton absence ? (je réponds à ta question de tout à l'heure et j'en pose une autre)
09:29 |hdl|      oui pierrick_.
09:30 |hdl|      Effectivement, la version 3.0 est assez ardue à installer.
09:30 |hdl|      En fait, on a besoin en plus d'un serveur Zebra et de bien le configurer.
09:31 |hdl|      Tu as une base de test ?
09:37 pierrick_  une base MySQL ou Zebra ?
09:37 pierrick_  j'ai un base MySQL mais pas Zebra encore.
09:37 pierrick_  Je vais manger et je m'occupe de tout ça cette après-midi, @+
10:10 |hdl|      paul_lunch: are you still away ?
10:10 paul       non
10:32 pierrick_  I'm back
10:48 kados      hi all
10:48 kados      paul: glad to see the dates finalized
10:48 kados      pierrick_: welcome to Koha :-)
10:51 pierrick_  thank you Joshua
10:53 pierrick_  Joshua, I believe you're using Emacs, can you send me an extract of your .emacs configuration file for Perl programming ? (so that we'll have same indents, and so on)
10:53 kados      and I recently switched to 4-char tabs
10:53 pierrick_  oups
10:53 kados      like paul uses
10:54 kados      chris uses jed ... that may be what you're seeing
10:54 pierrick_  Reading the wiki, I thought you were using Emacs :-/
10:54 kados      :-)
10:54 pierrick_  (about sentences function)
10:55 kados      I used to use emacs ... but I was won over to vi
10:55 pierrick_  my challenge of the day : install a clean Koha working copy
10:56 kados      head or rel_2_2?
10:56 pierrick_  Not a stable release (easy) but HEAD
10:56 kados      right
10:56 kados      I can help you there if you need help as I've done it several times recently
10:57 pierrick_  Well... in fact I don't understand how developers work (environment)
10:58 kados      right ... I will explain it
10:58 pierrick_  I suppose my web server don't use files in my working copy
10:58 kados      right, you need to symlink your web server locations to the cvs repo
10:58 kados      it's quite simple to do
10:58 kados      there are five symlinks to create
10:59 pierrick_  (I was quite sure it would this kind of solution :-)
10:59 kados      http://www.kohadocs.org/Updating_Koha.html
10:59 kados      I wrote up a short description some time ago
10:59 kados      I hope it is up to date