Time Nick Message 10:44 kados paul is in Pari today no? :-) 10:44 kados hi all 10:40 |hdl| osmoze : oui 09:52 osmoze |hdl|> t es par la ? 07:30 osmoze many thanks 07:30 osmoze and a good servername and it work 07:29 osmoze and VirtualHost * 07:29 osmoze NameVirtualHost * 07:29 osmoze * 07:29 osmoze chris, i solved, it's NameVirtualHost 07:29 osmoze yes, it's ok for me 07:08 chris hmm, darn 07:07 osmoze ok, it's ok for apache2 -t but it's the same probleme for response 07:01 chris (you can have both) 07:00 chris try NameVirtualHost php.koha.homelinux.org 07:00 osmoze my namevitualhost is koha.homelinux.org (opac) 07:00 chris there we go 07:00 osmoze VirtualHost intra.koha.homelinux.org:0 overlaps with VirtualHost php.koha.homelinux.org:0, the first has precedence, perhaps you need a NameVirtualHost directive 06:59 osmoze chris : i have this probleme when apache2 -t : 06:51 osmoze ok, i rewrite my conf ^^ 06:50 chris just one NameVirtualHost should do it 06:50 osmoze NamevirtualHost for each site ? 06:47 chris </VirtualHost> 06:47 chris ... 06:47 chris <VirtualHost koha.something> 06:46 chris </VirtualHost> 06:46 chris ... 06:46 chris <VirtualHost opac.something> 06:46 chris NameVirtualHost opac.something 06:46 chris eg 06:45 chris do you have a NameVirtualHost line? 06:37 osmoze an idea ? 06:37 osmoze i ve 3 virtual host. When i start with a2enssite one, it's ok, but when i try the second, there is only end always the first that response 06:28 osmoze there is anybody for helping on apache2 conf and virtualHost ? 04:58 chris hi osmoze 04:57 osmoze hello 02:54 russ2 rosa? 23:26 Jo Russ: are you back yet 23:07 kados with perl-zoom 21:48 richard jo: i think he is in a meeting in town 21:37 Jo Russ: you about? 21:34 kados thd: you around? 18:54 kados "actually, we charge churches 50% more" :-) 18:53 kados my reply should be something like: 18:53 kados "I have contacted some services that sell their software and they stated they give a 50% discount to churches." 18:53 kados I must get at least one of these every week 18:52 owen They've heard about those softies over at Liblime 18:51 kados hehe 18:50 owen wb kados. Since you left we mostly talked about dessert. 18:49 mcginniwa i'm off too 18:49 mcginniwa ciao 18:44 kados bunch of busy work at NPL to do 18:43 kados sorry I had to jet 18:31 thd I shall imagine my preferred brown flavour :) 18:30 thd I prefer the brown flavour of bread to the brown flavour of chocolate 18:29 chris tastes good though:) 18:28 chris its not really chocolate .. its ummm brown flavour 18:28 thd russ: I never understood the great attraction of chocolate 18:27 thd russ: make mine berry fruit please 18:27 russ and red is supposedly a berry fruit of some kind 18:26 russ where brown is supposdly chocolate 18:26 russ normally come in two flavours brown and red 18:26 owen http://www.inmamaskitchen.com/FOOD_IS_ART/places/Ausfoodarticle.html 18:26 russ bang on owen 18:26 owen ? 18:26 russ a type of sponge cake 18:26 owen "A chocolate coated cube of sponge cake, rolled in desiccated coconut; usually served with whipped cream and afternoon tea." 18:25 thd s/lamintons/lamingtons/ 18:25 thd what are lamintons? 18:25 russ hmm lamingtons 18:24 chris its time for lamingtons and tea 18:24 chris yep 18:24 thd chris is the meeting now adjourned? 18:19 thd thanks paul 18:17 thd paul: ask the INEO people if you would please 18:17 paul ok, i'll try to find some. drop me a mail (to avoid that i forget) 18:17 thd paul: Toward that end, I would appreciate any documentation that you can obtain for SUDOC holdings, and any other local use field uses that you can find even if they really only apply to UNIMARC. 18:17 paul you have 10 secs ! 18:16 paul ok, guys, unless someone has something to add, I go to bed. 18:16 paul no problem, afai see 18:15 thd paul: I intend to ask widely about what the safe local use fields are and document the popular uses of local use fields. 18:14 paul (even for future one) 18:14 Flash Thanks Paul. 18:14 paul no problem to me. and that don't require french libraries to change anything ! 18:14 paul + some discussions once on koha of koha-devel 18:14 thd paul: no merely to move it to 099 or somewhere that is not in popular use. 18:13 Flash That's what I'm using now. 18:13 chris not that i know of, you can have a hunt around ta http://www.kohadocs.org 18:13 paul Flash : i'm afraid not. only Auth_with_ldap.pm 18:13 Flash Or a setup doc? 18:13 paul what you're suggesting is to have a DEFAULT marc21 framework that uses 001 instead of 90 18:13 Flash Thanks. Is there a FAQ for LDAP? 18:12 paul chris ++ 18:12 thd pual: Merel;y so my comprehensive MARC 21 bibliographic framework could document the popular RLIN use of 090. 18:12 chris lots more people will see the question that way :) 18:11 chris you might have better luck asking on the koha-devel or the main koha mailing list flash 18:11 paul (because I really want to go to bed. It's 10PM in France) 18:11 paul Flash : you can ask, but not sure you'll get an answer ! 18:10 paul why ? 18:10 thd paul: I was actually proposing to change existing libraries 18:10 paul but I won't tell you that you must use it mandatory ! 18:10 Flash All, can I but in and ask an LDAP question? 18:10 paul I won't change my libraries using 090 18:10 paul it's just a set up. 18:09 paul none. 18:09 thd paul: Do you have objections to moving 090 to a less interfering place? 18:09 paul 090 was choosen "randomly" 18:09 paul I have some libraries with biblionumber in 001 ! 18:09 paul not at all. 18:08 thd paul: is there 090 harcoding? 18:08 russ sounds like you need to get some sleep 18:08 russ paul i'll send you an email 18:08 thd paul: stay a moment 18:08 chris lets hope this week is as productive as last week 18:08 thd I suggest that we consider moving 090 even in 2.2.X if nothing for 090 is hardcoded. 18:08 paul because I wake up at 4AM (6 hours) 18:08 chris thanks for being here everyone 18:07 paul to go to bed. 18:07 paul ok, so I'll leave to 18:07 chris ok i think we are pretty much done now anyway 18:07 kados I really must go 18:07 kados (yes, quite bad) 18:07 paul (although it's really a dirty hack from a perf pov) 18:07 kados great!@ 18:07 paul I think it should work fine for unimarc as well 18:07 paul kados : I confirm what thd says. 18:06 thd horaay 18:06 kados I committed MARC non-filing characters support 18:05 kados cause that's the other big news for 2.2 I forgot to mention 18:05 thd kados: I do not remember how UNIMARC treats that but it is similar at least. 18:05 kados thd: ie, held in the same indicator 18:05 chris thanks thd 18:04 thd chris: I have never fathomed that abbreviation except that R is for research. RLIN is from the Research Libraries Group. 18:04 kados thd: do you happen to know if unimarc non-filing characters are the same as marc21? 18:03 kados paul: (or for testing, you can use yourself) 18:03 kados it does? 18:03 thd kados: 090 holds more than merely the record identifier in Koha 18:03 kados paul: correct, it should be the library who you are signing up 18:02 paul kados : the registration want you to fill the name of the personn that will recieve payements when you earn money through amazon partnership ? 18:02 chris what the R stand for? 18:02 thd RLIN is the second largest library network in the world 18:02 kados thd: so I propose 001 be the default in 3.0 18:01 chris what is RLIN ? 18:01 thd paul: registration is free and automatic 18:01 kados thd: using 001 as the link to biblio.biblionumber seems to work just fine 18:01 kados thd: (but it was a while ago, so I don't remember the whole process) 18:00 thd 090 is reserved for local copy information in RLIN 18:00 kados paul: (I had to register to get a developer's key as well as an associates' key) 18:00 thd koha wants to be in as many libraries as possible without interfering with reserved uses of fields. 17:59 paul (it's the page to register) 17:59 kados paul: ? 17:59 chris k thd 17:59 paul https://partenaires.amazon.fr/gp/flex/associates/apply-login.html/402-6434233-5948112 17:59 paul do you remind this login script : 17:59 kados thd: right 17:59 thd As everyone already knew, many local use fields are used by large established groups so that what is actually available for non-interfering local use is a subset of local use fields. 17:58 thd yes 17:58 thd paul: Other companies also license image and contents content for which they charge a fee. 17:58 chris so thats 2.2.x finished .. anything more about 3.0 ? 17:57 paul gotcha : http://partenaires.amazon.fr/gp/associates/join/ecs.html//ref=amb_link_6/402-6434233-5948112?%5Fencoding=UTF8&ref=amb%5Flink%5F6 17:57 thd paul: along with tables of contents 17:56 kados paul: hang on ... I'll see if I can find it 17:56 thd paul: Publishers are often now giving away cover images of new books in ONYX files. 17:56 paul how did you find the email address ? 17:56 kados I wrote via email 17:56 paul how : mail address ? phone call ? 17:55 kados and they said it was exactly what they created web services for 17:55 kados paul: I contacted amazon directly to ask if my use of their web serivces was ok 17:55 paul I could search in amazon.fr and ask them. 17:55 kados which is good for us since we like the 'read inside' 17:55 paul kados : where, from amazon.com can you get info to ask for Amazonservice ? 17:54 kados ie, if you use their image, you must link back to Amazon.com somewhere 17:54 thd paul: Amazon has been granted most cover images under license from the publisher. 17:54 kados it's a service provided specifically for linking back to their site 17:54 kados yea, I don't think amazon provides it as fair use 17:54 paul you have to ask the editor for permission. 17:54 paul thus, it's considered as a copy to show the image in a public webservice 17:54 kados interesting 17:54 thd paul: Amazon does not provide that from fair use. 17:53 paul but as a major part of the book. 17:53 paul and the cover page from a book is NOT considered as a small excerpt 17:53 paul we just have the "small excerpt for studying purpose" and the "private copy use" 17:53 thd paul: do you merely mean that some types of libraries are not allowed to link to commercial entities? 17:52 paul we don't have the "fair use" concept. 17:52 paul even if it has, it's illegal in France. Let me explain our law 17:52 paul thd : i'm not sure amazon.fr has the similar web service. 17:52 paul that's all about 2.2.6. Nothing to say about HEAD, except what stated previously (Tumer code) 17:51 thd paul: why is it illegal if there is a similar web services form Amazon.fr? 17:51 chris more clear is good 17:51 paul Flash just appears in the middle of a developper meeting ;-) 17:51 paul recieves should be highly more clear. 17:51 chris cool 17:50 paul * I'm checking what hdl added to acquisition (to reciepts) but I think it will be very usefull 17:50 paul * i've checked Amazon.com feature & included it in CSS templates (although this feature is illegal in France) 17:50 chris i didnt 17:49 chris thd: im not sure 17:49 paul about 2.2.6 (to end with this topic) : 17:49 thd s/cm/com/ 17:49 paul (+ I like the 11 issues on a monthly serial) 17:49 thd Did anyone ever contact gokoha.cm ? 17:48 richard yes it is a good distinction to have 17:48 paul russ : wow, very nice. 17:48 chris paul: good point 17:47 russ we have the first part of this working in our clients dev koha 17:47 russ there are 3 images 17:47 russ ok sorted gallery : http://katipo.co.nz/gallery/kohaserials2/subscription_1?full=1 17:47 paul chris ++ And I think it could be useful to explain who is involved in Koha team, and who just sell services. 17:47 chris paul: excellent 17:46 chris i dont have any problem in principle 17:46 paul you now can ask Koha to create an item on the fly 17:46 chris russ: maybe we could ask for some more info, some urls etc and then decide 17:46 paul * i've checked the new serialadditems systempref, it works nicely 17:46 paul some news from 2.2.6 : 17:46 paul (I had some contact with AF from Vancouver2 1/2 years ago) 17:45 russ > Française de Toronto[2;2~ 17:45 russ been working with Alliance 17:44 russ David Capredoni 17:44 russ and 17:44 russ Shawn Bedard 17:44 chris has anyone had any contact with them? 17:44 russ they have been working with Koha for a couple of years 17:44 thd very good russ, that was very much needed 17:44 paul thd : the NEW inventory script takes a file, populated by barcodes scanned from a laptop, and mark all of the items as "seen". 17:44 russ another bit of news, a crew in toronto jigtechnologies have asked if we can add them to the pay for support page on the koha site 17:43 russ basically it is an interface to populate the x y z formula thing 17:43 paul russ : ok, i'll take some minuts to take a look 17:43 russ paul: if you have time after wards i'd like to show you 17:42 russ but we have it workin in a dev koha which is better 17:42 thd paul:How does the new inventory script differ from the old one? 17:42 russ gallery died on me 17:42 kados thx 17:42 russ ack 17:42 chris ok kados 17:42 kados chris: I've got to head out for a bit 17:42 chris ok, russ, show us your mockups 17:42 kados chris can you take over for me? 17:41 russ i have some mock ups 17:41 russ paul: we have been making some progress with the serials subscription interface 17:41 paul I don't read it carefully, i'll check 17:41 chris thats what i said 17:41 chris http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2006/009735.html 17:41 chris ah no i didnt 17:41 kados anyone else have news? 17:40 chris yes 17:40 paul (on koha mailing list ?) 17:40 chris i think i told her it will be in 3.0 17:40 chris i was answering marie wardall 17:40 paul ??? 17:40 chris could you follow up my email then paul, and say that 17:40 thd paul: What is different about the new script? 17:40 chris wooo 17:39 paul it will be in 2.2.6 17:39 paul ... but hdl remind me I asked him to write such a script, and it's already in rel_2_2 17:39 chris ah yes, i used that message to answer someone on the koha list 17:39 paul I thanked him for a new Inventory script. 17:38 paul last note about Tümer code : 17:38 paul about holiday management : it relies probably on Date::Manip, so i'll have to clean many things. 17:38 chris :-) 17:38 paul so, if my business still grows, I may send him a proposal in a year or 2 ;-) 17:38 kados very cool 17:38 paul but very very interested by Open Source. 17:37 paul maybe he will. but he's still a student for at least 1 year after this one. 17:37 chris yay for holiday management 17:37 thd paul: does Antoine not want to devote his life to Koha? :) 17:37 paul * basic news management on OPAC. 17:37 kados yes, saw that ... very exciting ! 17:37 paul * holiday management 17:37 paul that i'll include ASAP in HEAD : 17:37 paul A news i've submitted to koha-devel already : I have some code from Tümer 17:36 kados great news paul 17:36 chris (hit return to soon :-)) 17:36 paul ok. 17:36 chris sorry paul, i meant excellent news about both of them 17:36 paul yes chris ? 17:35 paul (july/August, maybe september) 17:35 paul + he should work with me 1 or 2 months during our summer 17:35 chris about both people 17:35 chris excellent news 17:35 kados woohoo! 17:35 paul (100% sure except if it's school refuses. But no reason to occur) 17:34 paul * We can count on Antoine between march, 20 up to May 20. He will work on a new XUL MARC editor. 17:34 kados nice 17:34 paul * Pierrick, the new ineo guy that will work on Koha, begins on wednesday. I'll meet him un thursday at Ineo in Paris 17:33 paul The 1st news concern ppl 17:33 paul OK 17:33 thd kados: I am most of the way through but I explain one problem now. 17:33 kados go ahead paul 17:33 paul I have some news too. 17:32 kados thd: how's the new MARC framework coming? 17:32 thd As everyone already knew, many local use fields are used by large established groups so that what is actually available for non-interfering local use is a subset of local use fields. 17:32 chris ok, any other news from last week? 17:30 amanda thank you everyone 17:30 paul welcome here 17:30 thd I have been documenting common field uses outside the strict prescribed MARC 21 standard. 17:30 paul of course you can, amanda 17:30 thd welcome amanda 17:29 amanda thought I would join in on your weekly meetings and just listen in 17:29 kados paul: about 20,000 records 17:29 amanda hello 17:28 paul how large is it ? 17:28 kados paul: great ... 17:28 kados yep, WLPL is actually the second public library in the US to switch to Koha 17:27 paul about the hardcoded value & blank subfield : i'll have a close look. 17:26 mcginniwa cool 17:26 thd I have made some discoveries while preparing a comprehensive MARC 21 bibliographic framework. 17:26 russ woo congrats tim 17:26 thd congratulations tim 17:25 kados yep, suppose we should announce also that Tim's library, the West Liberty Public Library went live with Koha today 17:24 chris tim: i hear congratulations are in order :) 17:24 chris we'll have to test and see 17:24 kados I'll test it this afternoon as soon as I get back to my office 17:24 chris :) 17:24 chris i could have just made it worse 17:24 chris maybe 17:24 kados and chris thinks he may have solved that one ... so kudos to chris there 17:23 kados chris and I also hacked on the bug where blank subfields are saved in the MARC editor 17:23 tim hey kados 17:23 kados hey tim 17:22 kados I fixed a bug where there was a hardcoded value for the first subfield in a repeated tag 17:22 kados specifically the MARC editor 17:22 kados I also have a bit of news about rel_2_2 17:22 thd kados: that is current behaviour in rel_2_2 17:21 chris they will do that :-) 17:21 kados thd: why? 17:21 kados this server crash pretty much tore my day apart :-) 17:21 thd kados: I assume the default will be all records in the file when finished. 17:21 chris cool 17:21 kados I didn't time it, but I will 17:21 kados paul: you may want to check that option out 17:20 chris do you get a speed increase? 17:20 kados I guess I should also mention I committed 'shadow registers' in usmarc's zebra.cfg 17:20 kados it defaults to 50, but I"ve tried it with 1000 and it works nicely 17:20 kados thd: (not in head) 17:20 thd kados: was that not an existing option? 17:19 kados as well as 'number of records before a comit operation' 17:19 kados I also modified bulkmarcimport to allow specification of 'number' of records to import 17:19 chris its not making new connects 17:19 chris (the context) 17:19 kados excelletn 17:19 chris i have koha head running under mod_perl and this seems to be working great 17:19 kados Biblio.pm and SearchMarc.pm (and Search.pm) have been converted to this new method 17:18 kados and if not, create a new one, check it, and hand it back 17:18 kados it will check if there is an existing connection 17:18 kados $Zconn = C4::Context->Zconn 17:18 kados so from within a module you can go: 17:17 kados there is now a Context for the Zconn 17:17 kados as well as bulkmarcimport.pl 17:17 kados with chris's help I made some commits to Biblio.pm and Context.pm 17:17 kados I have some news ... 17:16 thd chris: I mean for admin 17:16 chris get_record should only ever return one result 17:16 kados yep 17:16 chris you could/can just use the search routine in Search.pm with isbns 17:15 thd chris: an extendable option to take other standard numbers for all copies with a standard number such as ISBN would be useful everywhere barcode might be used. 17:15 kados right, that'd be cool 17:15 paul chris ++ 17:15 chris or we could do it in a .abs file and add an entry in the pqf file 17:15 kados any other perl-zoom news? 17:15 chris yep, something will have to tell it where to look, it could be that 17:14 kados how will it know where the barcode is stored? koha->marc mappings? 17:14 chris yes, and itemcallnumber could work too 17:14 kados I see 17:14 chris given a barcode it hands you back everything it knows about that item 17:13 paul (we could even extend this to itemcallnumber, as they can be unique for some libraries) 17:13 kados hmmm ... but barcodes aren't record-level in Koha 17:13 chris yeah so we can use it for circ 17:13 kados chris: a barcode? 17:13 mcginniwa howdy 17:12 chris im going to extend it to take a barcode also 17:12 kados hey walter 17:12 kados right 17:12 chris or the detail on the marc-detail 17:12 kados (for anything I guess :-)) 17:12 chris could be 17:12 kados for the detail screen on the OPAC? 17:11 chris ok, get_record currently takes a biblionumber, and fetches the record from zebra 17:11 kados chris: you have the floor 17:11 kados perl-zoom 17:11 kados ok ... so first things first 17:11 kados hehe, yea 17:11 chris true 17:11 paul (once) 17:11 paul mmm... we should not speak all at ouce... 17:11 kados paul: didn't have a chance, but I will try later today 17:10 chris last week i got get_record going, which is a handy little subroutine 17:10 paul you tried to set locale to utf8 and it worked ? 17:10 thd paul: I was trying to distinguish between what is labelled as links and labelled as see also, two different subfield constraints for the bibliographic framework. 17:10 kados morning richard 17:10 kados ie, system local needs to be utf-8 17:10 richard morning 17:10 kados which I now belive is the system locale 17:10 kados and to mention that I think paul and I found the solution to the utf-8 prob 17:09 kados with regards to our perl-zoom project 17:09 paul NPL fan is more important than us, you're right. 17:09 kados mainly I would like to talk about how things went last week 17:09 kados didn't have a change to work up an agendo though :-) 17:09 paul no prob kados, you're just 7min late ! 17:08 paul * search in the authority catalogue, using an authority search (to find rejected forms) 17:08 kados sorry guys, I had to deal with a catestrophic system crash at NPL that turned out to be just a CPU fan (whew!) 17:08 paul * in the biblio catalogue, using standard search (including the see also links) 17:08 paul you're right thd : the ... search on 2 directions : 17:07 paul back 17:06 paul back soon 17:06 paul baby requires some water. 17:05 thd Is there an agenda for today's meeting? 17:04 thd paul: I had presumed that subfield structure links extend the indexes searched from '...' links in the same way that subfield structure see also field/subfield pairs extended the standard fielded search form boxes. I was seeking confirmation or correction of my presumption. 17:02 paul thd : i'm not sure atm, but I think yes 17:01 paul chris : good morning to you 17:00 thd hello chris 17:00 chris hi paul, hi thd 16:59 thd paul: what do MARC subfield structure links actually do in the user interface? Do they extend the field/subfield pairs searched from '...' links in the OPAC? 16:56 paul2 (he should be here in a few minuts, as we have the monday meeting in 5 min) 16:56 thd paul2: I read backwards 16:56 paul2 not me, it was joshua 16:55 thd paul2: are you still seeking an address for pate-lurk? 16:55 paul_True hello world ! 16:52 chris thats a new one 16:52 chris ohh spam from mexican hotels 16:51 chris weird 16:51 owen Snowed this morning, supposed to be in the 50's (F) tomorrow. 16:51 chris yeah it was like that when i was over, freezing when i first arrived, then really mild over christmas 16:51 owen Warm and cold and warm and cold. 16:51 owen Probably not really for another month or so...although the winter's been really weird. 16:50 owen Not much 16:48 chris starting to warm up over there now? 16:48 chris right, know that feeling :) 16:48 owen Pretty good. Busybusybusy. 16:47 chris heya owen, hows things? 16:45 owen Hi chris 16:44 chris morning 15:35 thd paul: are you still seeking an address for pate-lurk? 15:10 |hdl| Bon appetit :D 15:09 kados bbiab 15:09 kados I absolve you :-) 15:09 kados |hdl|: yay! 15:07 |hdl| Second commit to come for scripts. 15:07 |hdl| A first commit tonight for administration panel. 15:06 |hdl| for 3.0 15:05 |hdl| So I need your absolution for my absence. 15:05 kados |hdl|: yep, I'm here 15:02 |hdl| kados ? 14:03 kados you mean the ldap user? 13:50 Flash I do, but the username is not in Koha. 13:49 kados I thought you had ldap set up 13:49 Flash Why does it let me in if the username is not in Koha? 13:44 kados I don't think anyone has gone through every module to make sure the permissions are correct 13:44 kados I remember fixing a few of those a while back 13:44 kados I do know that there's a good chance the permissions aren't always set up correctly for every screen 13:43 kados so I'm not sure how it differs 13:43 kados me has never used ldap with Koha 13:40 Flash If I login with a user that IS in LDAP but NOT in Koha I can still get in and even add members. 13:40 Flash OK, here is something else that is strange. 13:38 Flash As a basic user, what should I be able to access and what shouldn't I? 13:36 Flash All set and no change. 13:36 Flash What is interesting is that it allows me to set those flags. 13:34 kados try checking all the boxes, not just superlibrarian 13:34 Flash Yes, the account is mwflach and it has superlibrarian rights. 13:33 kados Flash: did you set up the permissions for the user? 13:31 Flash It looks like Koha recognizes that I'm authenticated but is having problems with rights. 13:30 kados hehe 13:30 paul should be enough, sorry for inconvenience. 13:29 paul everybody beeps pate-lurk !!!!!! = where can you be reach ??? 13:29 paul everybody beeps pate-lurk !!!!!! = where can you be reach ??? 13:29 paul everybody beeps pate-lurk !!!!!! = where can you be reach ??? 13:29 paul everybody beeps pate-lurk !!!!!! = where can you be reach ??? 13:29 paul everybody beeps pate-lurk !!!!!! = where can you be reach ??? 13:29 paul everybody beeps pate-lurk !!!!!! = where can you be reach ??? 13:29 paul everybody beeps pate-lurk !!!!!! = where can you be reach ??? 13:29 paul everybody beeps pate-lurk !!!!!! = where can you be reach ??? 13:29 paul everybody beeps pate-lurk !!!!!! = where can you be reach ??? 13:29 paul everybody beeps pate-lurk !!!!!! = where can you be reach ??? 13:29 paul everybody beeps pate-lurk !!!!!! = where can you be reach ??? 13:29 paul so, let's bug hime on the chanel... 13:25 paul I don't mean it's apache the culprit. I just think apache_ldap does something that perl/koha don't understand and support (and i don't know what) 13:25 kados so what's going on? 13:25 Flash I can't believe it's Apache because the LDAP auth is working just fine with other applications. 13:23 kados so what's going on Flash? 13:22 paul and make koha fail. but what ? 13:22 paul my bet is that there is something in apache that I don't understand. 13:22 Flash ok. 13:22 paul (and is clear) 13:22 paul would be useless probably, I would just see what you describe :-( 13:22 Flash see what is happening. 13:21 Flash Paul, I can give you access to our librarian interface if you need to. 13:21 paul (probably a bot) 13:21 paul right. Seems to be alway here. 13:20 kados pate-lurk: you around? 13:20 kados guess so 13:20 kados huh 13:20 kados is he on? 13:20 paul (who is @pate_lurk ?) 13:19 paul you're right 13:19 kados last I checked 13:19 paul (eylerfamily.org is down?) 13:19 paul why ? he disappeared from the web ? 13:18 paul nope. 13:18 kados paul: do you have contact info for pate? 13:18 kados ie, exim, postfix, etc. 13:17 kados note that Mail::Sendmail will work with any mail server 13:16 paul mmm... very strange, you're right, it may not be sendmail.pm missing. 13:16 Flash But it wokrs if I login as kohaadmin and turn off LDAP auth. 13:16 paul (as you may have suggestion=ON, and thus mail sent automatically) 13:15 paul that's it : sendmail perl package is mandatory for acquisition. 13:14 Flash Send mail is not setup on teh server yet. 13:14 paul maybe Sendmail... 13:14 Flash Parameters doesn't give an error, it is just blank. 13:14 paul I Sendmail perl package is missing. 13:13 paul mmm... 13:13 paul and if you select something else ? 13:13 Flash Catalogue works fine. 13:13 paul nothing more explicit ? 13:13 Flash If I select Acquisitions I get a 500 error (Premature end of script headers: acqui-home.pl) 13:11 Flash No login page. 13:11 Flash If I enter my LDAP info I am taken to /cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl 13:11 paul you should get a koha login screen 13:11 Flash When I go to my server (port 8080) I am prompted by the browser for username and password. 13:11 paul you're enabled by Apache, but NOT by Koha. 13:10 paul yes, but what i'm missing is why you don't get the login screen. 13:10 Flash LDAP auth comes first. 13:09 Flash I can't login with the mysql login/password because it's not in my LDAP. 13:09 paul it should be used only at the 1st login, to create a "true" borrower, with all librarian permissions. 13:09 paul (if you login with the mysql login/password, it's hardcoded : you can do everything) 13:09 paul let me know the "error" you get. 13:09 Flash But the rights are not being set. 13:08 Flash Exactly. I believe that is what is going on. 13:08 paul thus the ldap is used only to Authentify users, not to set their rights. 13:07 paul koha ldap check auth from ldap, creates a koha login (in borrowers sql table) if needed, and give permissions according to Koha specific permissions 13:07 Flash If not, I can wait until Friday or next week. 13:06 Flash Do you have time for me to explain in more detail? 13:06 paul thus I bet it's a apache problem more than a koha one. 13:05 paul mmm... what looks strange to me is that koha does nothing with ldap_apache 13:05 Flash I changed the code, restarted the server and still have the problem. 12:58 Flash I found the code and am changing it now. 12:58 paul (if needed) 12:58 paul (none in the US, unless joshua tells something else) 12:57 paul I know only 3 libraries using it 12:57 paul ldap is not a common feature. 12:57 Flash Not a common issue? 12:57 paul (and you won't probably find some help from someone else on this subject here) 12:57 Flash Thanks for your help. 12:56 paul ok. Just note it's 5PM for me in France, and i wont be here until friday. 12:54 Flash I'll take a look at it and see what needs to be done. 12:53 paul you may need some perl package 12:52 paul ) 12:52 paul (modify it to fit your needs & rename it to Auth.pm 12:52 paul C4/Auth_with_ldap.pm 12:51 Flash Is there info on how to do LDAP auth in Koha? 12:51 owen Hi 12:51 paul hello owen & good morning. 12:51 paul and it has nothing to do with apache ldap auth... 12:50 paul auth is done in C4/Auth.pm package, sub chechauth 12:49 paul strange behaviour... I don't know where it can come from... 12:49 Flash If I login as kohaadmin I get everything. 12:48 Flash If I turn off LDAP auth, I get a login page. 12:48 Flash It's just blank. 12:48 Flash If I use LDAP auth, I am not able to see the Parameters page. 12:47 paul (should say "yes", or i don't understand your problem !) 12:47 paul what says Koha >> parameter >> sytempreferences >> admin >> insecure ? 12:46 Flash Koha does not display a login page 12:46 paul mmm... 12:46 Flash It looks like Koha acknowleged that I was authenticated via LDAP, because I was able to get in and the "Logged in as:" showes my username. 12:45 paul what appears in your log ? 12:45 paul an apache error ? 12:45 paul what error do you get exactly ? 12:45 paul otherwise, you should just get a login screen. 12:44 paul if you did nothing specific, then you must identify yourself to be able to login into librarian interface. 12:44 Flash Yes. 12:44 paul 2.2.5 ? 12:44 paul which version of Koha do you use ? 12:43 Flash ? 12:43 paul sometihng I don't understand here... 12:43 paul because in librarian interface you MUST be auth to login 12:43 Flash librarian. 12:43 paul you mean OPAC or librarian interface ? 12:42 Flash The problem it that some pages don't work and it doesn't recognize me as a superlibrarian. 12:41 Flash I have not done anything to Koha with regards to LDAP. If I enter my ldap username and password I am allowed into Koha. 12:41 paul you mean you have ldap auth for Koha itelf of for apache ? 12:41 Flash That user is in LDAP. 12:40 Flash I have a member in Koha with the username of mwflach. 12:39 Flash For the most part it works, but I get an error on some pages when I login to Koha. 12:39 Flash I have a SuSe 9/Apache2 setup with the web server using LDAP authentication. 12:35 paul Hello Flash. 12:35 paul could be possible. 12:30 Flash Anyone able to answer an LDAP issue? 11:57 kados for debian 11:57 kados http://melkor.dnp.fmph.uniba.sk/~garabik/debian-utf8/howto.html 11:57 kados or it could be mysql table encoding :-) 11:57 kados yep :-) 11:57 paul hehe... it seems we have something very interesting... 11:57 kados so the problem could be locale 11:56 kados etc. 11:56 kados LC_NUMERIC="en_US" 11:56 kados LC_CTYPE="en_US" 11:56 kados LANG=en_US 11:56 kados koha$ locale 11:56 paul my locale is fr_FR 11:56 kados on my debian box (which is where HEAD is) 11:56 kados ooh, interesting 11:56 kados it's Fedora Core 3 11:56 kados etc. 11:56 kados LC_MONETARY="en_US.UTF-8" 11:56 kados LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF-8" 11:56 kados LC_TIME="en_US.UTF-8" 11:56 kados LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF-8" 11:56 kados LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8" 11:55 kados LANG=en_US.UTF-8 11:55 kados [root@gandalf C4]# locale 11:55 kados yes, all utf-8: 11:55 kados I haven't checked 11:55 paul (utf8 enabled I mean) 11:55 paul is your system utf8 ready ? 11:55 kados I wonder if that's the problem 11:55 paul mmm... really poor : the only change is in table encoding in mysql 11:55 kados (even though <meta> tags are already changed to use utf-8) 11:54 kados but in head, I still can't get it working 11:54 kados in templates 11:54 kados if you change the <meta> tag 11:54 kados in rel_2_2 it seems to just work 11:54 kados I don't know what the problem is in head 11:54 kados no 11:54 paul so many time lost for this... 11:54 paul ok, so the problem is really a locale one :-( 11:53 kados also note the Chinese branch 11:53 kados http://koha.liblime.com/cgi-bin/koha/admin/branches.pl 11:53 paul and you have an utf8 linux ? 11:53 kados only change I made was to <meta> tag in templates 11:52 paul you made something specific to previous cvs code ? 11:52 paul :-D 11:52 kados hehe 11:52 paul works fine (+ nice books, I've read them last week) 11:52 kados cataloged using Koha's MARC editor 11:51 kados you will see two chinese utf-8 records 11:51 kados search for 'cheng' 11:51 kados http://opac.liblime.com 11:50 paul which one ? no 11:50 kados paul: btw: did you see my utf-8 enabled demo? 11:49 kados paul: gentoo howto: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Create_an_UTF-8_enabled_system 11:47 paul how to do this, and how to change it 11:47 paul a question, about utf8 : yoyu told me to check the locale env variable. 11:46 paul not really, i just saw you commited something ! 11:46 kados already done in head :-) 11:46 paul (we will be able to get rid with this char_decode in Biblio.pm) 11:46 kados paul: (don't know if you saw my commit note to my changes to head Biblio.om) 11:46 paul wow ! great ! 11:46 kados paul: (one more thing to note: MARC::File::XML now automatically converts from MARC-8 to UTF-8) 11:45 kados and it uses very old MARC::Record techniques 11:45 kados MARChtml2marc is quite a difficult sub to read :-) 11:44 kados also removed ability for tag repeatability 11:44 kados because my final fix for the bug where blank fields are added 11:44 kados I did several commits, but had to roll back 11:41 paul i'll look carefully at your commit. working on 2.2.6 this afternoon. 11:38 kados (bug I did fix was removing a hardcoded 'a' in addfield) 11:37 kados (in rel_2_2) 11:37 kados (so the bug I could not fix: it seems MARChtml2marc saves blank tags/subfields in a MARC record) 11:36 paul (yep : TGV at 5:29) 11:36 kados I will make sure it is less than an hour 11:36 kados ok ... wow quite early 11:36 paul so, if we could have less than 1 hour chat, I would be happy...) 11:36 kados (but not the other one) 11:36 kados (I was able to fix one bug with the MARC editor in rel_2) 11:36 paul I should be here, but not too long : i awake at 4AM tomorrow morning. 11:36 kados (some on rel_2 some on head) 11:35 paul (although not precisely) 11:35 paul I saw your work on biblio.pm 11:35 kados paul: will you be able to make the meeting today? 11:34 kados I worked on Biblio.pm a bit over the weekend btw 11:34 paul (he told me it was, when I released 2.2.X, and said it was working fine. But I never used it in France) 11:34 kados right 11:34 paul (plus probably ask chris for some help, as i'm not completly sure CVS is uptodate for MARC=OFF) 11:33 kados unless katipo wants to switch to an XML basis for koha tables 11:33 paul yep. 11:33 paul * items : 2 from pocket, 1 from large 11:33 kados I see, so I need to fix that for MARC=OFF ... 11:33 paul * biblioitems : 1 pocket book, ed 1996 and 1 large printed book, ed 2002 11:32 paul * biblio : the 2 towers, from Tolkien 11:32 paul it means we may have : 11:32 paul * then adding items in one of the group. 11:32 paul * then adding a "group", that is stored in biblioitems 11:32 paul * adding a biblio (in biblio table) 11:32 paul with MARC=OFF, adding an biblio means : 11:32 kados and do we need it with MARC=ON? (is it used at all in head?) 11:31 kados if MARC=OFF, do we need biblioitem table at all? 11:30 kados so what do you recommend as a more permenant solution? 11:30 kados hmmm 11:30 paul but with MARC=OFF, it's not the same thing. 11:30 paul with MARC=ON, it may be harmless, as everything is done on bibliounmber + 1 biblioitem = 1 biblionumber 11:29 paul katipo will enjoy this with MARC= OFF !!!! 11:29 kados because I forced biblioitemnumber to a value of '1' to stop errors 11:28 kados it works currently 11:28 kados :-) 11:28 paul but so many ppl did so many dangerous things (me being the 1st !) 11:28 paul It used to work on HEAD last time I look at it. 11:28 paul 2- it depends on what we do with biblio/biblioitem tables ! they are supposed to be populated when adding biblio in non MARC DB 11:27 paul 1- only the default one 11:27 kados there they are :-) 11:27 kados 2. in 3.0, what are we doing with biblioitemnumber? i had to force it to a value of '1' to avoid getting errors while doing bulkmarcimport 11:27 kados 1. if multiple 'search also' are defined for a tag in multiple frameworks, which one is used in a search 11:27 kados thanks! :-) 11:24 paul so here I am ! 11:24 paul hello kados : hdl phoned me and told me you have 2 questions 11:24 paul hello all 11:21 kados 2. in 3.0, what are we doing with biblioitemnumber? i had to force it to a value of '1' to avoid getting errors while doing bulkmarcimport 11:21 kados 1. if multiple 'search also' are defined for a tag in multiple frameworks, which one is used in a search 11:20 kados hdl: I have two questions: 11:20 kados hdl: do you know if paul will be here later? 11:19 kados morning all