Time Nick Message 11:19 kados morning all 11:20 kados hdl: do you know if paul will be here later? 11:20 kados hdl: I have two questions: 11:21 kados 1. if multiple 'search also' are defined for a tag in multiple frameworks, which one is used in a search 11:21 kados 2. in 3.0, what are we doing with biblioitemnumber? i had to force it to a value of '1' to avoid getting errors while doing bulkmarcimport 11:24 paul hello all 11:24 paul hello kados : hdl phoned me and told me you have 2 questions 11:24 paul so here I am ! 11:27 kados thanks! :-) 11:27 kados 1. if multiple 'search also' are defined for a tag in multiple frameworks, which one is used in a search 11:27 kados 2. in 3.0, what are we doing with biblioitemnumber? i had to force it to a value of '1' to avoid getting errors while doing bulkmarcimport 11:27 kados there they are :-) 11:27 paul 1- only the default one 11:28 paul 2- it depends on what we do with biblio/biblioitem tables ! they are supposed to be populated when adding biblio in non MARC DB 11:28 paul It used to work on HEAD last time I look at it. 11:28 paul but so many ppl did so many dangerous things (me being the 1st !) 11:28 kados :-) 11:28 kados it works currently 11:29 kados because I forced biblioitemnumber to a value of '1' to stop errors 11:29 paul katipo will enjoy this with MARC= OFF !!!! 11:30 paul with MARC=ON, it may be harmless, as everything is done on bibliounmber + 1 biblioitem = 1 biblionumber 11:30 paul but with MARC=OFF, it's not the same thing. 11:30 kados hmmm 11:30 kados so what do you recommend as a more permenant solution? 11:31 kados if MARC=OFF, do we need biblioitem table at all? 11:32 kados and do we need it with MARC=ON? (is it used at all in head?) 11:32 paul with MARC=OFF, adding an biblio means : 11:32 paul * adding a biblio (in biblio table) 11:32 paul * then adding a "group", that is stored in biblioitems 11:32 paul * then adding items in one of the group. 11:32 paul it means we may have : 11:32 paul * biblio : the 2 towers, from Tolkien 11:33 paul * biblioitems : 1 pocket book, ed 1996 and 1 large printed book, ed 2002 11:33 kados I see, so I need to fix that for MARC=OFF ... 11:33 paul * items : 2 from pocket, 1 from large 11:33 paul yep. 11:33 kados unless katipo wants to switch to an XML basis for koha tables 11:34 paul (plus probably ask chris for some help, as i'm not completly sure CVS is uptodate for MARC=OFF) 11:34 kados right 11:34 paul (he told me it was, when I released 2.2.X, and said it was working fine. But I never used it in France) 11:34 kados I worked on Biblio.pm a bit over the weekend btw 11:35 kados paul: will you be able to make the meeting today? 11:35 paul I saw your work on biblio.pm 11:35 paul (although not precisely) 11:36 kados (some on rel_2 some on head) 11:36 paul I should be here, but not too long : i awake at 4AM tomorrow morning. 11:36 kados (I was able to fix one bug with the MARC editor in rel_2) 11:36 kados (but not the other one) 11:36 paul so, if we could have less than 1 hour chat, I would be happy...) 11:36 kados ok ... wow quite early 11:36 kados I will make sure it is less than an hour 11:36 paul (yep : TGV at 5:29) 11:37 kados (so the bug I could not fix: it seems MARChtml2marc saves blank tags/subfields in a MARC record) 11:37 kados (in rel_2_2) 11:38 kados (bug I did fix was removing a hardcoded 'a' in addfield) 11:41 paul i'll look carefully at your commit. working on 2.2.6 this afternoon. 11:44 kados I did several commits, but had to roll back 11:44 kados because my final fix for the bug where blank fields are added 11:44 kados also removed ability for tag repeatability 11:45 kados MARChtml2marc is quite a difficult sub to read :-) 11:45 kados and it uses very old MARC::Record techniques 11:46 kados paul: (one more thing to note: MARC::File::XML now automatically converts from MARC-8 to UTF-8) 11:46 paul wow ! great ! 11:46 kados paul: (don't know if you saw my commit note to my changes to head Biblio.om) 11:46 paul (we will be able to get rid with this char_decode in Biblio.pm) 11:46 kados already done in head :-) 11:46 paul not really, i just saw you commited something ! 11:47 paul a question, about utf8 : yoyu told me to check the locale env variable. 11:47 paul how to do this, and how to change it 11:49 kados paul: gentoo howto: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Create_an_UTF-8_enabled_system 11:50 kados paul: btw: did you see my utf-8 enabled demo? 11:50 paul which one ? no 11:51 kados http://opac.liblime.com 11:51 kados search for 'cheng' 11:51 kados you will see two chinese utf-8 records 11:52 kados cataloged using Koha's MARC editor 11:52 paul works fine (+ nice books, I've read them last week) 11:52 kados hehe 11:52 paul :-D 11:52 paul you made something specific to previous cvs code ? 11:53 kados only change I made was to <meta> tag in templates 11:53 paul and you have an utf8 linux ? 11:53 kados http://koha.liblime.com/cgi-bin/koha/admin/branches.pl 11:53 kados also note the Chinese branch 11:54 paul ok, so the problem is really a locale one :-( 11:54 paul so many time lost for this... 11:54 kados no 11:54 kados I don't know what the problem is in head 11:54 kados in rel_2_2 it seems to just work 11:54 kados if you change the <meta> tag 11:54 kados in templates 11:54 kados but in head, I still can't get it working 11:55 kados (even though <meta> tags are already changed to use utf-8) 11:55 paul mmm... really poor : the only change is in table encoding in mysql 11:55 kados I wonder if that's the problem 11:55 paul is your system utf8 ready ? 11:55 paul (utf8 enabled I mean) 11:55 kados I haven't checked 11:55 kados yes, all utf-8: 11:55 kados [root@gandalf C4]# locale 11:55 kados LANG=en_US.UTF-8 11:56 kados LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8" 11:56 kados LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF-8" 11:56 kados LC_TIME="en_US.UTF-8" 11:56 kados LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF-8" 11:56 kados LC_MONETARY="en_US.UTF-8" 11:56 kados etc. 11:56 kados it's Fedora Core 3 11:56 kados ooh, interesting 11:56 kados on my debian box (which is where HEAD is) 11:56 paul my locale is fr_FR 11:56 kados koha$ locale 11:56 kados LANG=en_US 11:56 kados LC_CTYPE="en_US" 11:56 kados LC_NUMERIC="en_US" 11:56 kados etc. 11:57 kados so the problem could be locale 11:57 paul hehe... it seems we have something very interesting... 11:57 kados yep :-) 11:57 kados or it could be mysql table encoding :-) 11:57 kados http://melkor.dnp.fmph.uniba.sk/~garabik/debian-utf8/howto.html 11:57 kados for debian 12:30 Flash Anyone able to answer an LDAP issue? 12:35 paul could be possible. 12:35 paul Hello Flash. 12:39 Flash I have a SuSe 9/Apache2 setup with the web server using LDAP authentication. 12:39 Flash For the most part it works, but I get an error on some pages when I login to Koha. 12:40 Flash I have a member in Koha with the username of mwflach. 12:41 Flash That user is in LDAP. 12:41 paul you mean you have ldap auth for Koha itelf of for apache ? 12:41 Flash I have not done anything to Koha with regards to LDAP. If I enter my ldap username and password I am allowed into Koha. 12:42 Flash The problem it that some pages don't work and it doesn't recognize me as a superlibrarian. 12:43 paul you mean OPAC or librarian interface ? 12:43 Flash librarian. 12:43 paul because in librarian interface you MUST be auth to login 12:43 paul sometihng I don't understand here... 12:43 Flash ? 12:44 paul which version of Koha do you use ? 12:44 paul 2.2.5 ? 12:44 Flash Yes. 12:44 paul if you did nothing specific, then you must identify yourself to be able to login into librarian interface. 12:45 paul otherwise, you should just get a login screen. 12:45 paul what error do you get exactly ? 12:45 paul an apache error ? 12:45 paul what appears in your log ? 12:46 Flash It looks like Koha acknowleged that I was authenticated via LDAP, because I was able to get in and the "Logged in as:" showes my username. 12:46 paul mmm... 12:46 Flash Koha does not display a login page 12:47 paul what says Koha >> parameter >> sytempreferences >> admin >> insecure ? 12:47 paul (should say "yes", or i don't understand your problem !) 12:48 Flash If I use LDAP auth, I am not able to see the Parameters page. 12:48 Flash It's just blank. 12:48 Flash If I turn off LDAP auth, I get a login page. 12:49 Flash If I login as kohaadmin I get everything. 12:49 paul strange behaviour... I don't know where it can come from... 12:50 paul auth is done in C4/Auth.pm package, sub chechauth 12:51 paul and it has nothing to do with apache ldap auth... 12:51 paul hello owen & good morning. 12:51 owen Hi 12:51 Flash Is there info on how to do LDAP auth in Koha? 12:52 paul C4/Auth_with_ldap.pm 12:52 paul (modify it to fit your needs & rename it to Auth.pm 12:52 paul ) 12:53 paul you may need some perl package 12:54 Flash I'll take a look at it and see what needs to be done. 12:56 paul ok. Just note it's 5PM for me in France, and i wont be here until friday. 12:57 Flash Thanks for your help. 12:57 paul (and you won't probably find some help from someone else on this subject here) 12:57 Flash Not a common issue? 12:57 paul ldap is not a common feature. 12:57 paul I know only 3 libraries using it 12:58 paul (none in the US, unless joshua tells something else) 12:58 paul (if needed) 12:58 Flash I found the code and am changing it now. 13:05 Flash I changed the code, restarted the server and still have the problem. 13:05 paul mmm... what looks strange to me is that koha does nothing with ldap_apache 13:06 paul thus I bet it's a apache problem more than a koha one. 13:06 Flash Do you have time for me to explain in more detail? 13:07 Flash If not, I can wait until Friday or next week. 13:07 paul koha ldap check auth from ldap, creates a koha login (in borrowers sql table) if needed, and give permissions according to Koha specific permissions 13:08 paul thus the ldap is used only to Authentify users, not to set their rights. 13:08 Flash Exactly. I believe that is what is going on. 13:09 Flash But the rights are not being set. 13:09 paul let me know the "error" you get. 13:09 paul (if you login with the mysql login/password, it's hardcoded : you can do everything) 13:09 paul it should be used only at the 1st login, to create a "true" borrower, with all librarian permissions. 13:09 Flash I can't login with the mysql login/password because it's not in my LDAP. 13:10 Flash LDAP auth comes first. 13:10 paul yes, but what i'm missing is why you don't get the login screen. 13:11 paul you're enabled by Apache, but NOT by Koha. 13:11 Flash When I go to my server (port 8080) I am prompted by the browser for username and password. 13:11 paul you should get a koha login screen 13:11 Flash If I enter my LDAP info I am taken to /cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl 13:11 Flash No login page. 13:13 Flash If I select Acquisitions I get a 500 error (Premature end of script headers: acqui-home.pl) 13:13 paul nothing more explicit ? 13:13 Flash Catalogue works fine. 13:13 paul and if you select something else ? 13:13 paul mmm... 13:14 paul I Sendmail perl package is missing. 13:14 Flash Parameters doesn't give an error, it is just blank. 13:14 paul maybe Sendmail... 13:14 Flash Send mail is not setup on teh server yet. 13:15 paul that's it : sendmail perl package is mandatory for acquisition. 13:16 paul (as you may have suggestion=ON, and thus mail sent automatically) 13:16 Flash But it wokrs if I login as kohaadmin and turn off LDAP auth. 13:16 paul mmm... very strange, you're right, it may not be sendmail.pm missing. 13:17 kados note that Mail::Sendmail will work with any mail server 13:18 kados ie, exim, postfix, etc. 13:18 kados paul: do you have contact info for pate? 13:18 paul nope. 13:19 paul why ? he disappeared from the web ? 13:19 paul (eylerfamily.org is down?) 13:19 kados last I checked 13:19 paul you're right 13:20 paul (who is @pate_lurk ?) 13:20 kados is he on? 13:20 kados huh 13:20 kados guess so 13:20 kados pate-lurk: you around? 13:21 paul right. Seems to be alway here. 13:21 paul (probably a bot) 13:21 Flash Paul, I can give you access to our librarian interface if you need to. 13:22 Flash see what is happening. 13:22 paul would be useless probably, I would just see what you describe :-( 13:22 paul (and is clear) 13:22 Flash ok. 13:22 paul my bet is that there is something in apache that I don't understand. 13:22 paul and make koha fail. but what ? 13:23 kados so what's going on Flash? 13:25 Flash I can't believe it's Apache because the LDAP auth is working just fine with other applications. 13:25 kados so what's going on? 13:25 paul I don't mean it's apache the culprit. I just think apache_ldap does something that perl/koha don't understand and support (and i don't know what) 13:29 paul so, let's bug hime on the chanel... 13:29 paul everybody beeps pate-lurk !!!!!! = where can you be reach ??? 13:29 paul everybody beeps pate-lurk !!!!!! = where can you be reach ??? 13:29 paul everybody beeps pate-lurk !!!!!! = where can you be reach ??? 13:29 paul everybody beeps pate-lurk !!!!!! = where can you be reach ??? 13:29 paul everybody beeps pate-lurk !!!!!! = where can you be reach ??? 13:29 paul everybody beeps pate-lurk !!!!!! = where can you be reach ??? 13:29 paul everybody beeps pate-lurk !!!!!! = where can you be reach ??? 13:29 paul everybody beeps pate-lurk !!!!!! = where can you be reach ??? 13:29 paul everybody beeps pate-lurk !!!!!! = where can you be reach ??? 13:29 paul everybody beeps pate-lurk !!!!!! = where can you be reach ??? 13:29 paul everybody beeps pate-lurk !!!!!! = where can you be reach ??? 13:30 paul should be enough, sorry for inconvenience. 13:30 kados hehe 13:31 Flash It looks like Koha recognizes that I'm authenticated but is having problems with rights. 13:33 kados Flash: did you set up the permissions for the user? 13:34 Flash Yes, the account is mwflach and it has superlibrarian rights. 13:34 kados try checking all the boxes, not just superlibrarian 13:36 Flash What is interesting is that it allows me to set those flags. 13:36 Flash All set and no change. 13:38 Flash As a basic user, what should I be able to access and what shouldn't I? 13:40 Flash OK, here is something else that is strange. 13:40 Flash If I login with a user that IS in LDAP but NOT in Koha I can still get in and even add members. 13:43 kados me has never used ldap with Koha 13:43 kados so I'm not sure how it differs 13:44 kados I do know that there's a good chance the permissions aren't always set up correctly for every screen 13:44 kados I remember fixing a few of those a while back 13:44 kados I don't think anyone has gone through every module to make sure the permissions are correct 13:49 Flash Why does it let me in if the username is not in Koha? 13:49 kados I thought you had ldap set up 13:50 Flash I do, but the username is not in Koha. 14:03 kados you mean the ldap user? 15:02 |hdl| kados ? 15:05 kados |hdl|: yep, I'm here 15:05 |hdl| So I need your absolution for my absence. 15:06 |hdl| for 3.0 15:07 |hdl| A first commit tonight for administration panel. 15:07 |hdl| Second commit to come for scripts. 15:09 kados |hdl|: yay! 15:09 kados I absolve you :-) 15:09 kados bbiab 15:10 |hdl| Bon appetit :D 15:35 thd paul: are you still seeking an address for pate-lurk? 16:44 chris morning 16:45 owen Hi chris 16:47 chris heya owen, hows things? 16:48 owen Pretty good. Busybusybusy. 16:48 chris right, know that feeling :) 16:48 chris starting to warm up over there now? 16:50 owen Not much 16:51 owen Probably not really for another month or so...although the winter's been really weird. 16:51 owen Warm and cold and warm and cold. 16:51 chris yeah it was like that when i was over, freezing when i first arrived, then really mild over christmas 16:51 owen Snowed this morning, supposed to be in the 50's (F) tomorrow. 16:51 chris weird 16:52 chris ohh spam from mexican hotels 16:52 chris thats a new one 16:55 paul_True hello world ! 16:55 thd paul2: are you still seeking an address for pate-lurk? 16:56 paul2 not me, it was joshua 16:56 thd paul2: I read backwards 16:56 paul2 (he should be here in a few minuts, as we have the monday meeting in 5 min) 16:59 thd paul: what do MARC subfield structure links actually do in the user interface? Do they extend the field/subfield pairs searched from '...' links in the OPAC? 17:00 chris hi paul, hi thd 17:00 thd hello chris 17:01 paul chris : good morning to you 17:02 paul thd : i'm not sure atm, but I think yes 17:04 thd paul: I had presumed that subfield structure links extend the indexes searched from '...' links in the same way that subfield structure see also field/subfield pairs extended the standard fielded search form boxes. I was seeking confirmation or correction of my presumption. 17:05 thd Is there an agenda for today's meeting? 17:06 paul baby requires some water. 17:06 paul back soon 17:07 paul back 17:08 paul you're right thd : the ... search on 2 directions : 17:08 paul * in the biblio catalogue, using standard search (including the see also links) 17:08 kados sorry guys, I had to deal with a catestrophic system crash at NPL that turned out to be just a CPU fan (whew!) 17:08 paul * search in the authority catalogue, using an authority search (to find rejected forms) 17:09 paul no prob kados, you're just 7min late ! 17:09 kados didn't have a change to work up an agendo though :-) 17:09 kados mainly I would like to talk about how things went last week 17:09 paul NPL fan is more important than us, you're right. 17:09 kados with regards to our perl-zoom project 17:10 kados and to mention that I think paul and I found the solution to the utf-8 prob 17:10 kados which I now belive is the system locale 17:10 richard morning 17:10 kados ie, system local needs to be utf-8 17:10 kados morning richard 17:10 thd paul: I was trying to distinguish between what is labelled as links and labelled as see also, two different subfield constraints for the bibliographic framework. 17:10 paul you tried to set locale to utf8 and it worked ? 17:10 chris last week i got get_record going, which is a handy little subroutine 17:11 kados paul: didn't have a chance, but I will try later today 17:11 paul mmm... we should not speak all at ouce... 17:11 paul (once) 17:11 chris true 17:11 kados hehe, yea 17:11 kados ok ... so first things first 17:11 kados perl-zoom 17:11 kados chris: you have the floor 17:11 chris ok, get_record currently takes a biblionumber, and fetches the record from zebra 17:12 kados for the detail screen on the OPAC? 17:12 chris could be 17:12 kados (for anything I guess :-)) 17:12 chris or the detail on the marc-detail 17:12 kados right 17:12 kados hey walter 17:12 chris im going to extend it to take a barcode also 17:13 mcginniwa howdy 17:13 kados chris: a barcode? 17:13 chris yeah so we can use it for circ 17:13 kados hmmm ... but barcodes aren't record-level in Koha 17:13 paul (we could even extend this to itemcallnumber, as they can be unique for some libraries) 17:14 chris given a barcode it hands you back everything it knows about that item 17:14 kados I see 17:14 chris yes, and itemcallnumber could work too 17:14 kados how will it know where the barcode is stored? koha->marc mappings? 17:15 chris yep, something will have to tell it where to look, it could be that 17:15 kados any other perl-zoom news? 17:15 chris or we could do it in a .abs file and add an entry in the pqf file 17:15 paul chris ++ 17:15 kados right, that'd be cool 17:15 thd chris: an extendable option to take other standard numbers for all copies with a standard number such as ISBN would be useful everywhere barcode might be used. 17:16 chris you could/can just use the search routine in Search.pm with isbns 17:16 kados yep 17:16 chris get_record should only ever return one result 17:16 thd chris: I mean for admin 17:17 kados I have some news ... 17:17 kados with chris's help I made some commits to Biblio.pm and Context.pm 17:17 kados as well as bulkmarcimport.pl 17:17 kados there is now a Context for the Zconn 17:18 kados so from within a module you can go: 17:18 kados $Zconn = C4::Context->Zconn 17:18 kados it will check if there is an existing connection 17:18 kados and if not, create a new one, check it, and hand it back 17:19 kados Biblio.pm and SearchMarc.pm (and Search.pm) have been converted to this new method 17:19 chris i have koha head running under mod_perl and this seems to be working great 17:19 kados excelletn 17:19 chris (the context) 17:19 chris its not making new connects 17:19 kados I also modified bulkmarcimport to allow specification of 'number' of records to import 17:19 kados as well as 'number of records before a comit operation' 17:20 thd kados: was that not an existing option? 17:20 kados thd: (not in head) 17:20 kados it defaults to 50, but I"ve tried it with 1000 and it works nicely 17:20 kados I guess I should also mention I committed 'shadow registers' in usmarc's zebra.cfg 17:20 chris do you get a speed increase? 17:21 kados paul: you may want to check that option out 17:21 kados I didn't time it, but I will 17:21 chris cool 17:21 thd kados: I assume the default will be all records in the file when finished. 17:21 kados this server crash pretty much tore my day apart :-) 17:21 kados thd: why? 17:21 chris they will do that :-) 17:22 thd kados: that is current behaviour in rel_2_2 17:22 kados I also have a bit of news about rel_2_2 17:22 kados specifically the MARC editor 17:22 kados I fixed a bug where there was a hardcoded value for the first subfield in a repeated tag 17:23 kados hey tim 17:23 tim hey kados 17:23 kados chris and I also hacked on the bug where blank subfields are saved in the MARC editor 17:24 kados and chris thinks he may have solved that one ... so kudos to chris there 17:24 chris maybe 17:24 chris i could have just made it worse 17:24 chris :) 17:24 kados I'll test it this afternoon as soon as I get back to my office 17:24 chris we'll have to test and see 17:24 chris tim: i hear congratulations are in order :) 17:25 kados yep, suppose we should announce also that Tim's library, the West Liberty Public Library went live with Koha today 17:26 thd congratulations tim 17:26 russ woo congrats tim 17:26 thd I have made some discoveries while preparing a comprehensive MARC 21 bibliographic framework. 17:26 mcginniwa cool 17:27 paul about the hardcoded value & blank subfield : i'll have a close look. 17:28 kados yep, WLPL is actually the second public library in the US to switch to Koha 17:28 kados paul: great ... 17:28 paul how large is it ? 17:29 amanda hello 17:29 kados paul: about 20,000 records 17:29 amanda thought I would join in on your weekly meetings and just listen in 17:30 thd welcome amanda 17:30 paul of course you can, amanda 17:30 thd I have been documenting common field uses outside the strict prescribed MARC 21 standard. 17:30 paul welcome here 17:30 amanda thank you everyone 17:32 chris ok, any other news from last week? 17:32 thd As everyone already knew, many local use fields are used by large established groups so that what is actually available for non-interfering local use is a subset of local use fields. 17:32 kados thd: how's the new MARC framework coming? 17:33 paul I have some news too. 17:33 kados go ahead paul 17:33 thd kados: I am most of the way through but I explain one problem now. 17:33 paul OK 17:33 paul The 1st news concern ppl 17:34 paul * Pierrick, the new ineo guy that will work on Koha, begins on wednesday. I'll meet him un thursday at Ineo in Paris 17:34 kados nice 17:34 paul * We can count on Antoine between march, 20 up to May 20. He will work on a new XUL MARC editor. 17:35 paul (100% sure except if it's school refuses. But no reason to occur) 17:35 kados woohoo! 17:35 chris excellent news 17:35 chris about both people 17:35 paul + he should work with me 1 or 2 months during our summer 17:35 paul (july/August, maybe september) 17:36 paul yes chris ? 17:36 chris sorry paul, i meant excellent news about both of them 17:36 paul ok. 17:36 chris (hit return to soon :-)) 17:36 kados great news paul 17:37 paul A news i've submitted to koha-devel already : I have some code from Tümer 17:37 paul that i'll include ASAP in HEAD : 17:37 paul * holiday management 17:37 kados yes, saw that ... very exciting ! 17:37 paul * basic news management on OPAC. 17:37 thd paul: does Antoine not want to devote his life to Koha? :) 17:37 chris yay for holiday management 17:37 paul maybe he will. but he's still a student for at least 1 year after this one. 17:38 paul but very very interested by Open Source. 17:38 kados very cool 17:38 paul so, if my business still grows, I may send him a proposal in a year or 2 ;-) 17:38 chris :-) 17:38 paul about holiday management : it relies probably on Date::Manip, so i'll have to clean many things. 17:38 paul last note about Tümer code : 17:39 paul I thanked him for a new Inventory script. 17:39 chris ah yes, i used that message to answer someone on the koha list 17:39 paul ... but hdl remind me I asked him to write such a script, and it's already in rel_2_2 17:39 paul it will be in 2.2.6 17:40 chris wooo 17:40 thd paul: What is different about the new script? 17:40 chris could you follow up my email then paul, and say that 17:40 paul ??? 17:40 chris i was answering marie wardall 17:40 chris i think i told her it will be in 3.0 17:40 paul (on koha mailing list ?) 17:40 chris yes 17:41 kados anyone else have news? 17:41 chris ah no i didnt 17:41 chris http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2006/009735.html 17:41 chris thats what i said 17:41 paul I don't read it carefully, i'll check 17:41 russ paul: we have been making some progress with the serials subscription interface 17:41 russ i have some mock ups 17:42 kados chris can you take over for me? 17:42 chris ok, russ, show us your mockups 17:42 kados chris: I've got to head out for a bit 17:42 chris ok kados 17:42 russ ack 17:42 kados thx 17:42 russ gallery died on me 17:42 thd paul:How does the new inventory script differ from the old one? 17:42 russ but we have it workin in a dev koha which is better 17:43 russ paul: if you have time after wards i'd like to show you 17:43 paul russ : ok, i'll take some minuts to take a look 17:43 russ basically it is an interface to populate the x y z formula thing 17:44 russ another bit of news, a crew in toronto jigtechnologies have asked if we can add them to the pay for support page on the koha site 17:44 paul thd : the NEW inventory script takes a file, populated by barcodes scanned from a laptop, and mark all of the items as "seen". 17:44 thd very good russ, that was very much needed 17:44 russ they have been working with Koha for a couple of years 17:44 chris has anyone had any contact with them? 17:44 russ Shawn Bedard 17:44 russ and 17:44 russ David Capredoni 17:45 russ been working with Alliance 17:45 russ > Française de Toronto[2;2~ 17:46 paul (I had some contact with AF from Vancouver2 1/2 years ago) 17:46 paul some news from 2.2.6 : 17:46 paul * i've checked the new serialadditems systempref, it works nicely 17:46 chris russ: maybe we could ask for some more info, some urls etc and then decide 17:46 paul you now can ask Koha to create an item on the fly 17:46 chris i dont have any problem in principle 17:47 chris paul: excellent 17:47 paul chris ++ And I think it could be useful to explain who is involved in Koha team, and who just sell services. 17:47 russ ok sorted gallery : http://katipo.co.nz/gallery/kohaserials2/subscription_1?full=1 17:47 russ there are 3 images 17:47 russ we have the first part of this working in our clients dev koha 17:48 chris paul: good point 17:48 paul russ : wow, very nice. 17:48 richard yes it is a good distinction to have 17:49 thd Did anyone ever contact gokoha.cm ? 17:49 paul (+ I like the 11 issues on a monthly serial) 17:49 thd s/cm/com/ 17:49 paul about 2.2.6 (to end with this topic) : 17:49 chris thd: im not sure 17:50 chris i didnt 17:50 paul * i've checked Amazon.com feature & included it in CSS templates (although this feature is illegal in France) 17:50 paul * I'm checking what hdl added to acquisition (to reciepts) but I think it will be very usefull 17:51 chris cool 17:51 paul recieves should be highly more clear. 17:51 paul Flash just appears in the middle of a developper meeting ;-) 17:51 chris more clear is good 17:51 thd paul: why is it illegal if there is a similar web services form Amazon.fr? 17:52 paul that's all about 2.2.6. Nothing to say about HEAD, except what stated previously (Tumer code) 17:52 paul thd : i'm not sure amazon.fr has the similar web service. 17:52 paul even if it has, it's illegal in France. Let me explain our law 17:52 paul we don't have the "fair use" concept. 17:53 thd paul: do you merely mean that some types of libraries are not allowed to link to commercial entities? 17:53 paul we just have the "small excerpt for studying purpose" and the "private copy use" 17:53 paul and the cover page from a book is NOT considered as a small excerpt 17:53 paul but as a major part of the book. 17:54 thd paul: Amazon does not provide that from fair use. 17:54 kados interesting 17:54 paul thus, it's considered as a copy to show the image in a public webservice 17:54 paul you have to ask the editor for permission. 17:54 kados yea, I don't think amazon provides it as fair use 17:54 kados it's a service provided specifically for linking back to their site 17:54 thd paul: Amazon has been granted most cover images under license from the publisher. 17:54 kados ie, if you use their image, you must link back to Amazon.com somewhere 17:55 paul kados : where, from amazon.com can you get info to ask for Amazonservice ? 17:55 kados which is good for us since we like the 'read inside' 17:55 paul I could search in amazon.fr and ask them. 17:55 kados paul: I contacted amazon directly to ask if my use of their web serivces was ok 17:55 kados and they said it was exactly what they created web services for 17:56 paul how : mail address ? phone call ? 17:56 kados I wrote via email 17:56 paul how did you find the email address ? 17:56 thd paul: Publishers are often now giving away cover images of new books in ONYX files. 17:56 kados paul: hang on ... I'll see if I can find it 17:57 thd paul: along with tables of contents 17:57 paul gotcha : http://partenaires.amazon.fr/gp/associates/join/ecs.html//ref=amb_link_6/402-6434233-5948112?%5Fencoding=UTF8&ref=amb%5Flink%5F6 17:58 chris so thats 2.2.x finished .. anything more about 3.0 ? 17:58 thd paul: Other companies also license image and contents content for which they charge a fee. 17:58 thd yes 17:59 thd As everyone already knew, many local use fields are used by large established groups so that what is actually available for non-interfering local use is a subset of local use fields. 17:59 kados thd: right 17:59 paul do you remind this login script : 17:59 paul https://partenaires.amazon.fr/gp/flex/associates/apply-login.html/402-6434233-5948112 17:59 chris k thd 17:59 kados paul: ? 17:59 paul (it's the page to register) 18:00 thd koha wants to be in as many libraries as possible without interfering with reserved uses of fields. 18:00 kados paul: (I had to register to get a developer's key as well as an associates' key) 18:00 thd 090 is reserved for local copy information in RLIN 18:01 kados thd: (but it was a while ago, so I don't remember the whole process) 18:01 kados thd: using 001 as the link to biblio.biblionumber seems to work just fine 18:01 thd paul: registration is free and automatic 18:01 chris what is RLIN ? 18:02 kados thd: so I propose 001 be the default in 3.0 18:02 thd RLIN is the second largest library network in the world 18:02 chris what the R stand for? 18:02 paul kados : the registration want you to fill the name of the personn that will recieve payements when you earn money through amazon partnership ? 18:03 kados paul: correct, it should be the library who you are signing up 18:03 thd kados: 090 holds more than merely the record identifier in Koha 18:03 kados it does? 18:03 kados paul: (or for testing, you can use yourself) 18:04 kados thd: do you happen to know if unimarc non-filing characters are the same as marc21? 18:04 thd chris: I have never fathomed that abbreviation except that R is for research. RLIN is from the Research Libraries Group. 18:05 chris thanks thd 18:05 kados thd: ie, held in the same indicator 18:05 thd kados: I do not remember how UNIMARC treats that but it is similar at least. 18:05 kados cause that's the other big news for 2.2 I forgot to mention 18:06 kados I committed MARC non-filing characters support 18:06 thd horaay 18:07 paul kados : I confirm what thd says. 18:07 paul I think it should work fine for unimarc as well 18:07 kados great!@ 18:07 paul (although it's really a dirty hack from a perf pov) 18:07 kados (yes, quite bad) 18:07 kados I really must go 18:07 chris ok i think we are pretty much done now anyway 18:07 paul ok, so I'll leave to 18:07 paul to go to bed. 18:08 chris thanks for being here everyone 18:08 paul because I wake up at 4AM (6 hours) 18:08 thd I suggest that we consider moving 090 even in 2.2.X if nothing for 090 is hardcoded. 18:08 chris lets hope this week is as productive as last week 18:08 thd paul: stay a moment 18:08 russ paul i'll send you an email 18:08 russ sounds like you need to get some sleep 18:08 thd paul: is there 090 harcoding? 18:09 paul not at all. 18:09 paul I have some libraries with biblionumber in 001 ! 18:09 paul 090 was choosen "randomly" 18:09 thd paul: Do you have objections to moving 090 to a less interfering place? 18:09 paul none. 18:10 paul it's just a set up. 18:10 paul I won't change my libraries using 090 18:10 Flash All, can I but in and ask an LDAP question? 18:10 paul but I won't tell you that you must use it mandatory ! 18:10 thd paul: I was actually proposing to change existing libraries 18:10 paul why ? 18:11 paul Flash : you can ask, but not sure you'll get an answer ! 18:11 paul (because I really want to go to bed. It's 10PM in France) 18:11 chris you might have better luck asking on the koha-devel or the main koha mailing list flash 18:12 chris lots more people will see the question that way :) 18:12 thd pual: Merel;y so my comprehensive MARC 21 bibliographic framework could document the popular RLIN use of 090. 18:12 paul chris ++ 18:13 Flash Thanks. Is there a FAQ for LDAP? 18:13 paul what you're suggesting is to have a DEFAULT marc21 framework that uses 001 instead of 90 18:13 Flash Or a setup doc? 18:13 paul Flash : i'm afraid not. only Auth_with_ldap.pm 18:13 chris not that i know of, you can have a hunt around ta http://www.kohadocs.org 18:13 Flash That's what I'm using now. 18:14 thd paul: no merely to move it to 099 or somewhere that is not in popular use. 18:14 paul + some discussions once on koha of koha-devel 18:14 paul no problem to me. and that don't require french libraries to change anything ! 18:14 Flash Thanks Paul. 18:14 paul (even for future one) 18:15 thd paul: I intend to ask widely about what the safe local use fields are and document the popular uses of local use fields. 18:16 paul no problem, afai see 18:16 paul ok, guys, unless someone has something to add, I go to bed. 18:17 paul you have 10 secs ! 18:17 thd paul: Toward that end, I would appreciate any documentation that you can obtain for SUDOC holdings, and any other local use field uses that you can find even if they really only apply to UNIMARC. 18:17 paul ok, i'll try to find some. drop me a mail (to avoid that i forget) 18:17 thd paul: ask the INEO people if you would please 18:19 thd thanks paul 18:24 thd chris is the meeting now adjourned? 18:24 chris yep 18:24 chris its time for lamingtons and tea 18:25 russ hmm lamingtons 18:25 thd what are lamintons? 18:25 thd s/lamintons/lamingtons/ 18:26 owen "A chocolate coated cube of sponge cake, rolled in desiccated coconut; usually served with whipped cream and afternoon tea." 18:26 russ a type of sponge cake 18:26 owen ? 18:26 russ bang on owen 18:26 owen http://www.inmamaskitchen.com/FOOD_IS_ART/places/Ausfoodarticle.html 18:26 russ normally come in two flavours brown and red 18:26 russ where brown is supposdly chocolate 18:27 russ and red is supposedly a berry fruit of some kind 18:27 thd russ: make mine berry fruit please 18:28 thd russ: I never understood the great attraction of chocolate 18:28 chris its not really chocolate .. its ummm brown flavour 18:29 chris tastes good though:) 18:30 thd I prefer the brown flavour of bread to the brown flavour of chocolate 18:31 thd I shall imagine my preferred brown flavour :) 18:43 kados sorry I had to jet 18:44 kados bunch of busy work at NPL to do 18:49 mcginniwa ciao 18:49 mcginniwa i'm off too 18:50 owen wb kados. Since you left we mostly talked about dessert. 18:51 kados hehe 18:52 owen They've heard about those softies over at Liblime 18:53 kados I must get at least one of these every week 18:53 kados "I have contacted some services that sell their software and they stated they give a 50% discount to churches." 18:53 kados my reply should be something like: 18:54 kados "actually, we charge churches 50% more" :-) 21:34 kados thd: you around? 21:37 Jo Russ: you about? 21:48 richard jo: i think he is in a meeting in town 23:07 kados with perl-zoom 23:26 Jo Russ: are you back yet 02:54 russ2 rosa? 04:57 osmoze hello 04:58 chris hi osmoze 06:28 osmoze there is anybody for helping on apache2 conf and virtualHost ? 06:37 osmoze i ve 3 virtual host. When i start with a2enssite one, it's ok, but when i try the second, there is only end always the first that response 06:37 osmoze an idea ? 06:45 chris do you have a NameVirtualHost line? 06:46 chris eg 06:46 chris NameVirtualHost opac.something 06:46 chris <VirtualHost opac.something> 06:46 chris ... 06:46 chris </VirtualHost> 06:47 chris <VirtualHost koha.something> 06:47 chris ... 06:47 chris </VirtualHost> 06:50 osmoze NamevirtualHost for each site ? 06:50 chris just one NameVirtualHost should do it 06:51 osmoze ok, i rewrite my conf ^^ 06:59 osmoze chris : i have this probleme when apache2 -t : 07:00 osmoze VirtualHost intra.koha.homelinux.org:0 overlaps with VirtualHost php.koha.homelinux.org:0, the first has precedence, perhaps you need a NameVirtualHost directive 07:00 chris there we go 07:00 osmoze my namevitualhost is koha.homelinux.org (opac) 07:00 chris try NameVirtualHost php.koha.homelinux.org 07:01 chris (you can have both) 07:07 osmoze ok, it's ok for apache2 -t but it's the same probleme for response 07:08 chris hmm, darn 07:29 osmoze yes, it's ok for me 07:29 osmoze chris, i solved, it's NameVirtualHost 07:29 osmoze * 07:29 osmoze NameVirtualHost * 07:29 osmoze and VirtualHost * 07:30 osmoze and a good servername and it work 07:30 osmoze many thanks 09:52 osmoze |hdl|> t es par la ? 10:40 |hdl| osmoze : oui 10:44 kados hi all 10:44 kados paul is in Pari today no? :-)