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10:21 _hdl_ good night chris :)
07:27 chris right bedtime
07:16 chris then i have to go to bed :)
07:16 chris yep hdl .. for a little while
06:05 |hdl| chris around ?
04:52 |hdl| hi
02:33 thd kados: Those servers are fantastically good compared to some that time out on almost any request for a single record.
02:18 kados heh
02:05 thd kados: for amusement rather than accuracy: http://urbansemiotic.com/2005/05/30/top-five-worst-z3950-connections/
02:03 thd kados: Maybe I would have some better results for using 101 instead of 1.
02:02 thd kados: "The type-101 query is defined as identical to the type-1 query, with the exception that the Prox operator and Restriction operand are defined not only for version 3, but for version 2 as well. Thus the definition of the type-101 query is independent of version."
01:56 thd kados: Is 101 user defined?
01:55 kados query-type 1 and 101
01:55 kados Section 3.7 of the spec (page 104 of the NISO-2003) specifies
01:54 kados hmmm ... it could be that 'type' is different than 'attribute'
01:53 thd kados: Zing is partly a simplification of Z39.50 that people could agree upon. There is obviously, a high value on searching across a consistently implemented standard.
01:50 thd kados: The problem is always how much and in what manner the target supports the possible features.
01:50 kados ok ... I'm gonna start at the source -- the z39.50 agency -- and try to figure out how all these specs are related
01:50 kados right ... it's mainly SRW/U + CQL if I remember correctly
01:49 thd kados: Zing is a major modification to elements of Z39.50, prepared by the same agency, not an alien system of different origin.
01:48 kados that's what i would think
01:46 thd kados: They may not belong. Are they then Bib-2, Bib-3, etc. ?
01:45 kados they don't belong ... I'm sure of it :-)
01:45 kados yea, I see them
01:45 thd kados: relation, structure, truncation, etc. are all there in that document.
01:44 kados so bib-1 should only cover type = 1 or USE
01:44 kados characteristics of a search term in a Type-1 query
01:43 kados The attributes of Attribute Set bib-1 are used to indicate the
01:43 kados thd: see section 2.
01:43 kados thd: I think I'm right
01:43 kados what the heck is the difference between bib-1 and the bath profile?
01:42 kados shit ... I'm really not getting this then
01:42 thd kados: Those are also present, look further don that link.
01:42 kados right?
01:42 kados bib-1 is stricly for defining what to _use_ when applying those other attributes
01:41 kados meaning bib-1 doesn't define things like relation(2), position(3), structure(4), etc.
01:41 thd kados: Zing SRU/SRW have other search options but they are rough equivalents.
01:41 kados thd: so I'm right that the '1' in bib-1 is the 'USE' attribute in Z39.50 right?
01:39 thd thd: Zing is made to Z39.50 and Bib-1 is tied to Z39.50.
01:38 kados thd: you mean zing is made to replace bib-1?
01:38 kados thd: er?
01:38 kados (which, now that I'm thinking of it, could probably be done in zebra with a simple encoded hierarchy
01:37 thd kados: Bib-1 is the needed set for retrieving records from the rest of the world which does not Zing yet.
01:37 kados where given any arbitrarly complex hierarchy of branches, they can find records at any node or brach of the tree
01:37 kados but I think they might make it up in things like scoped searching
01:36 kados they are sacrificing on support for things like bib-1
01:36 kados yea ... well they've done quite well actually
01:36 thd kados: Much of Evergreen seemed to have a common design mistake/bug set with Koha 2 :)
01:35 kados for us even
01:35 kados their mappings should work well fo rus
01:35 kados specifically, it's the 1=4 for title, etc. stuff
01:34 kados bib-1 is the attribute set
01:34 kados so ... I think this is starting to sink in
01:34 kados thd: they've got a couple of years head start :-)
01:33 kados thd: I'm playing catch up with the PINES guys :-)
01:33 kados thd: sorry ... I don't have much more info yet
01:26 thd kados: tell me about the Evergreen "meta records". The last time I looked downloads were come back later, you missed the test window.
01:25 kados ahh
01:24 thd or toward the bottom
01:24 thd kados: look at the bottom of that link for some simple suggested mappings.
01:23 thd kados: http://www.loc.gov/z3950/agency/bib1.html
01:22 thd kados: There is a very simple mapping for the Bib-1 attributes and much better for MODS.
01:20 thd chris: I will be more helpful when I catch up. I am still a month and a half behind.
01:19 thd certainly, if I have been helpful chris.
01:19 kados thd: It seems like it's left to the implementor
01:18 kados hehe
01:18 thd kados: sleep is unnecessary today.
01:18 chris thanks for your help thd
01:18 kados chris: have a nice evening
01:18 kados chris: heh ...
01:18 chris kados, get some sleep :)
01:18 thd kados: Do you mean that is left as an exercise to the user?
01:18 chris well im gonna take a break for a bit now
01:17 kados sigh ... turns out the bath profile doesn't get down into the record level to define specific tags/subfields
01:17 thd kados: a common title search should search the title, uniform title, key title, and other relevant fields.
01:15 thd kados: key title is a similar standard abbreviated title commonly used with serial titles.
01:14 thd kados: Uniform title usually only applies for works appearing in translation or with many variant functional titles.
01:13 thd kados: Uniform title is a controlled title generally used or the original title in the original language.
01:13 kados thd: the bath profile for cql has 'keyTitle' and 'uniformTitle'
01:12 thd we still have mostly Z39.50.
01:12 kados thd: is 'uniform title' what most people call 'title'?
01:12 thd unfortunately, the rest of the world does not Zing yet.
01:10 chris :)
01:10 kados best thing I've read all night
01:10 kados http://zing.z3950.org/cql/intro.html#4.2
01:10 kados This is totally worth the 10 minutes it takes to read:
01:10 chris yep
01:09 kados is that you can have more than one spec in the same query :-)
01:09 chris how cool is that
01:09 chris and not have to touch anything else
01:09 kados the really neat thing
01:09 kados yep ...
01:09 chris and a HLT spec
01:09 chris to make a NPL spec
01:09 chris well this gives library's the opportunity
01:09 kados http://zing.z3950.org/srw/bath/2.0/#2
01:09 kados and here's the bath context set:
01:09 chris :)
01:08 kados we'll come up with a 'koha' spec :-)
01:08 kados and eventually, when we're rich and famous
01:08 chris cool
01:08 kados and use that to build my abs file
01:08 kados yay ... so I should be able to get a complete spec of the 'bath' index set
01:08 kados The only reliable way to find answers to such questions is by reference to the index-set definitions;
01:07 kados What exactly are the meanings of indexes? We have an idea that bath.title is some kind of bibliographic title search, but does it include journal titles as well as book titles? Does it include searching for words that occur only in subtitles? And should searches against the dc.subject index-set be simple word-searches, or use a controlled subject-vocabulary? And if the latter, which subject vocabulary? LCSH, the Library of Congress Subject Headings? MeSH, the Medica
01:07 kados here's the paragraph I've been hunting for all night:
01:05 thd Actually, Amazon still has a command text box search which they had once called power search.
01:04 chris cross site scripting is the rage with script kiddies at the moment, and it doesnt hurt to make their lives difficult :)
01:03 thd chris: oh, I forgot Koha uses CGI !! :)
01:03 chris before you do anything with it
01:02 chris using taint and checking for malicious code
01:02 chris its a good habit to get into with cgi
01:02 thd chris: Is there no simple way to protect the system by limiting the effected system area of any malicious code to the perfectly harmless?
01:00 chris thats right
01:00 thd chris: you mean bad as wicked first then pass to Zebra for bad as in malformed.
01:00 kados excellent
00:59 chris for our little test anyway
00:59 chris it gives quite good error messages
00:59 chris and then zebra can grizzle about bad cql
00:58 chris is strip out bad stuff
00:58 chris basically what ill do
00:58 thd syntax checking for parentheses matching etc.
00:58 kados chris: or the cql context set?
00:57 kados chris: should we start with the 'bath' context set in cql?
00:57 chris ahh no, probably just say its malformed
00:57 thd I was imagining that you would be repairing malformed queries.
00:56 thd oh yes, I was not thinking about malicious in that context.
00:56 kados doubt that would actually work
00:56 kados well ... something like that anyway
00:56 kados thd: or better yet `mailx -s "stolen passwords" < `cat /etc/passed`
00:55 chris no input should ever be trusted to be sane :)
00:55 kados :-)
00:55 kados thd: "\; `cat /etc/passwd`"
00:54 kados thd: things like:
00:54 kados chris: meanwhile, I'll get a basic abs file for all the cql stuff best I can
00:54 thd kados chris: what user input would not be trusted?
00:53 kados thd: and not trust user input
00:53 kados thd: but as chris pointed out, we'll want to parse it
00:53 kados thd: I think we'll have it
00:53 kados sweet
00:53 thd kados: some cranky librarians may insist on having that text box as a feature.
00:53 chris ill make a little search-test.pl
00:52 chris ill work on that
00:52 chris good idea
00:52 kados chris: might help us better evaluate how to handle pattern matching, relation, etc.
00:52 kados chris: for test purposes, it might actually be interesting to have a text box where we can enter in cql queries and see how zebra handles them
00:51 kados which is 'sgml-like' in its hierarchical nature
00:51 kados yea, I think in their case, it's just a naming convention for their internal structure
00:50 thd kados: What I have not fully examined is the Zebra Docs. I made an improper reference to SGML earlier today that did not apply to Zebra.
00:50 kados http://zing.z3950.org/cql/intro.html
00:50 kados here's a nice intro:
00:49 kados excellent
00:49 thd kados: CQL is easy and very close to CCL with which I grew up.
00:48 thd kados: fortunately, I still have almost better than perfect vision
00:48 chris :)
00:48 kados we _do_ have those :-)
00:47 kados and a finger on their lips :-)
00:47 kados with glasses low on their noses
00:47 kados hehe ... well ... they're librarians :-)
00:47 thd kados: you mean more cranky than I must seem at times :)
00:46 kados thd: have you looked at the cql spec?
00:46 kados hehe ... if you only knew :-)
00:46 thd kados: you have cranky librarians? :)
00:45 kados which makes me happy :-)
00:45 thd chris: no need to restrict anything to searching merely MARC as long as MARC itself is not restricted.
00:45 kados and I can play with the .abs file until it does
00:45 kados can say 'I did a search on X and it didn't come up'
00:45 kados it also means that my cranky librarians
00:45 kados which is faaaantastic! :-)
00:44 kados !!
00:44 kados thd: and they wont' need to code anything
00:44 kados thd: so any library can just write a new .abs file if they want search behavior to change
00:44 kados thd: the .abs syntax is quite sane
00:44 kados thd: the nice thing is
00:44 kados bummer
00:43 thd kados: MODS mapping does look like a good starting point for determining which fields to index for common queries, however, I noticed some significant gaps in subfield coverage.
00:43 chris the underlying structure will be marc-xml .. and maybe others .. we dont want to restrict the search to just marc either :)
00:40 thd chris kados: try to preserve the ease of extending searching by not fixing the search parameters to a subset of MARC. This would result if GRS-1 or MODS, were the actual target of searches and not an underlying MARC or MARC-XML record.
00:40 chris :)
00:40 chris voodoo?
00:38 kados I'm actually composing a question about that to koha-zebra righ tnow
00:38 kados hehe
00:35 chris theres no sacrifice three chickens, point your toes eastward and now 245z = the name of the first born child of the 33rd leap year
00:34 chris yeah its actually spec'd in a sane way
00:33 kados well ... the easy stuff is
00:33 kados cql didn't seem like a walk in the park when I looked at the spec last
00:33 kados it seems like quite a job to parse incoming cql
00:32 kados yep
00:32 chris dont want to trust user input :)
00:32 kados yea, makes sense
00:32 chris for sanity checking
00:32 chris id parse it anyway
00:32 kados I guess we'd have to directly parse a query coming in from an input box ... or just feed it directly to zebra
00:31 chris as long as input name=something where something is the same as url?something=stuff
00:31 chris should be able to
00:30 kados in cgi ...
00:29 kados with the same param()
00:29 kados and direct cql syntax in a text box
00:29 kados post queries (from a form)
00:29 kados url queries
00:29 kados i wonder if there's a way to handle
00:28 kados pure cql ... that's definitely the way to go
00:28 chris and Search.pm deals with the rest
00:28 kados yep
00:28 chris so we just say search author=bob
00:28 chris and make the template writers and opac-search not have to know about marc
00:28 chris lets cut out the middle man
00:28 chris then convert it to cql
00:28 kados or marc.title=''
00:28 chris is take a bunch of marc stuff
00:27 kados dc.title=''
00:27 chris currently what searchmarc does
00:27 kados cause you can do things like
00:27 chris yeah
00:27 kados cql will be nice for that
00:27 kados nice
00:27 chris in theory
00:27 chris and doing more than just marc
00:27 kados excellent
00:27 kados based entirely on perl-zoom
00:27 chris thats right
00:27 kados a new set of search methods
00:27 chris yep
00:26 kados I see ... so Search.pm is where you're aiming
00:25 chris meanwhile we can make Search.pm do cool stuff
00:25 kados yep ...
00:25 chris and get zebra going
00:25 kados makes good sense
00:25 chris just new Biblio.pm and SearchMarc.pm
00:25 kados right
00:25 chris without needing to change bunches of templates and scripts
00:25 chris can be upgraded to head
00:24 chris it means that any 2.2.5
00:23 chris while i work on Search.pm
00:23 chris its pretty much a drop in replacement
00:23 kados nice ...
00:23 kados right
00:23 chris yep
00:23 chris just its searching zebra, not the mysql db
00:23 kados so $query is in CQL
00:23 chris so opac-search.pl just keeps working like it alway did (to outside appearances)
00:22 chris and hands them back in the same format it used to
00:22 chris my $line = MARCmarc2koha($dbh,$record);
00:22 chris it goes off to zebra, gets the results, runs them thru
00:22 chris yep
00:22 kados through the catalogsearch sub?
00:21 chris on down
00:21 chris look at about line 240 in SearchMarc.pm
00:21 chris opac-search.pl is fetching its results from zebra
00:21 chris yeah that runs thru zebra
00:19 kados opac-search.pl right?
00:19 kados I still don't get how the search is running through zebra
00:19 kados so where are title and author coming from in default view?
00:18 chris try a marc view and youll get a server error
00:18 kados or is that just it ... it's not there at all ? :-0
00:18 chris i went off to work on making sure acquisitions is working
00:18 kados where's it coming from then?
00:18 chris i figure thats a minor detail
00:18 chris got sidetracked
00:18 chris nope
00:17 kados so are you pulling out the MARC now from zebra for display?
00:17 kados heh
00:17 kados chris: nice!
00:14 chris i just managed to acquisition a book .. the add item was stuck
00:14 chris http://opac.koha3.katipo.co.nz:81/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?bib=101
00:14 chris woot
22:35 kados be back later
22:33 kados I could be totally wrong though
22:33 kados systag sysno 090$c
22:33 kados but I _think_ you should be able to do something like
22:33 kados I'm not sure why that's in the zebra.cfg instead of the collection.abs
22:32 kados systag sysno sysno
22:32 kados we have:
22:32 kados in the zebra config
22:31 kados sysno: An automatically generated identifier for the record, unique within this database. It is represented by the <localControlNumber> element in XML and the (1,14) tag in GRS-1.
22:31 kados Specifies what information, if any, Zebra should automatically include in retrieval records for the ``system fields'' that it supports. systemTag may be any of the following:
22:31 kados chris: there's something in there about 'systag'
22:30 kados http://indexdata.dk/zebra/doc/data-model.tkl#field-structure-and-character-sets
22:28 thd chris said MARC is cool. I saw :)
22:27 kados ahh
22:27 thd kados: you have the intranet/OPAC preference backwards. Only non-MARC changes the intranet view.
22:26 chris that looks cool kados
22:26 kados heh
22:26 kados thd: are you sure it's a preference for the OPAC? I think it's just a pref for the intranet
22:25 chris we should fix that :)
22:25 thd :)
22:25 chris dear god, the default is to show marc in the opac?
22:24 kados find @attr 1=/*/datafield[@tag='090']/subfield[@code='c'] somenumber
22:24 thd kados: in all templates it is a preference setting for Koha 2.
22:24 kados chris: so you should be able to get the biblionumber with a query like:
22:23 kados in NPL it's the non-marc view, in css templates its MARC view
22:23 kados thd: well ... in rel_2_2, default differs in NPL vs default templates for OPAC view
22:23 kados thd: dunno, we're just brainstorming ... I think I mean the default view
22:22 kados one that's not quite as fast
22:22 thd kados: which do you mean as the simple view?
22:22 kados using another index altogether
22:22 kados elements, if enabled, allow you do do searches on specific elements in the data
22:22 kados attributes are your classed searches, defined with names in the abs file
22:22 chris cool
22:22 kados so it's what I thought
22:22 kados >>searching, as an alternative to numerical USE attributes.
22:22 kados >>In other words, XPATH-statements are used to select elements for
22:22 kados this is a useful sentance:
22:21 chris yep, lots to do, but its mostly straightforward
22:20 kados yep ... pretty exciting eh? :-)
22:20 chris yep lots of options
22:19 chris $biblionumber=$line->{biblionumber};
22:19 kados for the simple view, we may want to do the same, but pass it through ISBD
22:19 chris and you end with a nice hash ref
22:19 kados and let him deal with it:-)
22:19 chris my $line = MARCmarc2koha($dbh,$record);
22:19 kados directly to the template designer
22:19 chris for the simple view we just go
22:19 kados it might be interesting to just dump out the tags/subfields
22:19 chris yep
22:19 kados for the marc view
22:18 kados yep
22:18 chris then its just a matter of making $record into something nice to hand to the template
22:17 chris my $record = MARC::Record->new_from_xml($raw);
22:17 chris $raw=$rs->record(0)->raw();
22:17 kados one is to search for results and pull them out at the same time
22:17 kados then put out one
22:17 chris you can use pqf
22:17 kados one is to search for results
22:17 chris yeah
22:16 chris and once we can fetch the matching record
22:16 kados i think
22:16 kados there is more than one way to search in Z3950
22:16 kados and 'present' in Z3950 terms (or 'fetch', I can't remember which)
22:16 chris basically at this point we know the biblionumber
22:16 kados I think it's 'show' in Yaz terms
22:15 kados hehe
22:15 chris once i figure out how :)
22:15 kados sweet!
22:15 chris and i should be able to just get that all from zebra
22:15 kados and elements are a way to search on specific elements in the data (that aren't indexed?)
22:15 chris ok, its just the marc view thats broken now
22:15 kados so maybe attributes are 'classed' searches
22:15 chris http://opac.koha3.katipo.co.nz:81/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?bib=2
22:14 kados attribute set is attset bib1.att
22:14 kados in the collection.abs
22:13 kados esetname B @
22:13 kados esetname F @
22:13 kados is that this:
22:13 chris dunno
22:13 kados do we have an element specification defined?
22:13 kados The attribute set (which can possibly be a compound of multiple sets) which applies in the profile. This is used when indexing and searching the records belonging to the given profile.
22:12 kados Element set names, which are a shorthand way for the client to ask for a subset of the data elements contained in a record. Element set names, in the retrieval module, are mapped to element specifications , which contain information equivalent to the Espec-1 syntax of Z39.50
22:12 kados so what's element and what's attribute?
22:11 kados A ! in place of the attribute name is equivalent to specifying an attribute name identical to the element name. A - in place of the attribute name specifies that no indexing is to take place for the given element.
22:11 thd kados: A possible need to re-export would seem crazy.
22:10 kados we need some kind of myisamchk util
22:10 kados I've also got questions about what to do if zebra crashes
22:10 kados or if we need to first export them
22:10 kados is whether we can reindex records that are already in zebra
22:09 kados one thing I'm not clear on
22:09 chris yep
22:09 kados you'll of course need to reindex and restart zebra
22:09 kados word will work for now
22:08 chris ill have a play
22:08 kados and you prolly want 'number' but I don't know the code for that
22:08 chris right
22:08 kados and 'w' is for 'word'
22:08 kados oops ... you'll need a tab after biblionumber
22:08 kados 090$c biblionumber:w
22:07 kados something like:
22:07 kados in your collection.abs
22:07 kados and give it a name like 'biblionumber'
22:07 chris right
22:07 kados another is to index 090 as a word or number in zebra
22:06 kados one is to do a MARC search as Seb outlined in a recent email
22:06 chris i want to be able to fetch a record, using the biblionumber
22:06 kados I think there are two ways to do it
22:05 kados chris: you need biblionumber to be searchable?
22:05 kados sec
22:01 thd kados: are you busy finding the answer for chris?
21:55 chris cos if we get the xml back from zebra .. i can get that in a nice form that opac-detail.pl knows how to handle in 2 lines
21:53 chris any ideas kados?
21:53 chris but im not sure what i need to do to make that a searchable field
21:53 chris the biblionumber is sitting there in 090c
21:53 chris and to fetch the marc from zebra
21:52 chris i want to be handed a biblionumber
21:52 chris is get_record
21:52 chris so what im working on now
21:52 chris ok
21:51 thd kados: That is exactly what the old MELVYL system did for 'meta records' that the Ex-Libris system opted out of implementing.
21:50 kados thd: meaning 'title', 'author' and the like
21:50 Destinati Chris/Kados - thanks for the sanity check.
21:50 kados thd: I think they use MODS to build what they call 'classed' searches
21:50 kados thd: and then indexing those
21:49 kados thd: (ie, using subjects from all of them)
21:49 kados thd: pulling together the 'best' parts of each similar record
21:49 kados thd: they are made by taking the many versions of MARC records that exist in their 5 million record dataset
21:48 chris destinati: that should work just fine
21:48 kados thd: it's what they use for searching
21:48 chris cc
21:48 thd ?
21:48 thd kados: what are the PINES 'meta records'
21:47 kados yep
21:46 Destinati It appears like a USB keyboard to my computer
21:45 Destinati I bought a Symbol brand LS2208
21:45 Destinati I'm new to creating a library from scratch and bar codes
21:45 kados Destinati: some of their scanners support the check, some don't
21:45 thd s/can/ought to/
21:45 kados Destinati: I've got that working for one of my clients
21:45 kados Destinati: yes, you can have it confirm the check digit
21:44 thd Destinati: your scanner can check a scanned code.
21:44 kados thd: you'll want to take a look at the algorithms the PINES guys have put together for Evergreen's 'meta records'
21:44 Destinati or more likely... a human putting in the code
21:44 Destinati to double check the scan
21:44 Destinati but a nice to have
21:44 Destinati Not a required feature
21:44 Destinati I didn't know if it's possible to have Koha confirm the check digit
21:43 thd Destinati: your presumption is correct to my knowledge that Koha cannot distinguish as long as your bar codes have unique numbers.
21:43 chris itll work with Koha :)
21:43 chris if numbers appear
21:43 chris scan something
21:43 chris good way to test, open text editor of your choice
21:43 Destinati Chris: Whew - thanks! I'm excited about putting Koha into action.
21:42 chris yes thats right Destinati
21:41 thd Audrey: The challenging things can still be done but not efficiently. Much would need to be done as a batch process during of peak hours and stored in a normalised manner to overcome data inconsistency and incompleteness.
21:40 Destinati I am about to purchase bar code labels for the first time for our small library of 9000 items. I think that using the codabar format with a mod 10 check digit is fine. I just wanted a sanity check that Koha really won't care about the details as long as my bar code reader gives it a number. Can anyone confirm this?
21:40 Audrey ok
21:39 thd Audrey: A huge problem confirmed by OCLC research is lack of control over many important fields for FRBR relations. Variance and error in cataloguing makes matching difficult relative to an ideal world.
21:37 Audrey international standard book number?
21:37 Destinati Anyone around?
21:36 thd Audrey: Exploiting multiple ISBN matching from OCLC data is the next easiest.
21:35 thd Audrey: Searching controlled against controlled values for controlled fields should work most easily.
21:33 chris yep, we predated FRBR .. they just copied us *grin*
21:33 Audrey which FRBR concepts would work with koha?
21:33 thd Audrey: Koha started with a relational database model that was somewhat like FRBR even if inefficient for managing textual data.
21:31 thd Audrey: I believe that both kados and I have a significant enough interest in FRBR concepts to make some aspects work.
21:30 thd Audrey: I have received excellent advice from someone who knows as much or more than anyone that such a scheme is currently impractical in the way Martha envisions it, however, that will not stop me from trying to cheat around the edges.
21:28 thd Audrey: It is worth reading, however, her proposals are very CPU intensive.
21:27 Audrey not yet
21:26 thd Audrey: have you seen Martha Yee's paper on FRBRizing the OPAC?
21:26 Audrey Just a conceptualization question from a graduate student looking at koha.
21:25 Audrey thd: will koha eventually use FRBR? and why or why not?
21:12 thd kados: read above and signify when you are back. I can copy post and/or fax the needed pages to whomever might need them.
21:10 thd kados: The relevant fields and subfields should be essentially the same for MARC 21 now as they ever were for US MARC, although, auditing should always be done.
21:06 thd kados: Ex-Libras merely chooses the best single record. It does not merge data other than holdings.
21:04 thd kados: It was creating a super-record that combined useful data from all duplicate records in contributing institutions.
21:03 kados I'll be back later
21:02 kados which is?
21:02 thd kados: Ex-libris is a recent development and missed their single best feature.
21:01 kados I'm wondering if there mappings are out of date (or maybe these things don't go out of date)
21:01 thd kados: however, I have copied all the relevant sections after the interlibrary lone that took over 2 months.
21:01 kados but ... MELVL uses Ex-Libris these days
21:01 kados cool
21:01 kados wow, and you have one
21:00 thd kados: There are only about ten copies of the MELVYL system reference manual. (1990- ) listed on OCLC.
20:58 kados thd: I don't think I have that ... where can I get it?
20:58 kados thd: ?
20:55 thd kados, chris: you should have access to the same information I have. It is an instruction manual on how to build a robust standards compliant union catalogue that scales to many millions of records.
20:52 thd kados chris: There is also the issue of normalising the values before including the terms in the index.
20:51 thd kados: title word indexes for the keywords used in the find command are half a page of codes.
20:50 thd kados: so far the find and browse indexes match for the MELVYL system.
20:41 thd kados: subject searches are half a page of codes.
20:40 thd kados: I was listing the searches for authorised values used in browse searches.
20:38 kados this abs file's gonna be HUGE
20:38 kados hehe
20:38 thd kados: corporate author from fields 110, 410, 710, 810, 897, 797 with subfields abckq. Also from fields 111, 411, 711, 811, 898, 798 with subfields abcdegknq.
20:34 thd kados: personal author from fields 100, 400, 700, 800, 896, 796 with subfields abckq.
20:32 chris heh
20:32 kados wow ... that's a quotable quote
20:31 kados hehe
20:31 chris if the sun shines in ecuador then 245z equal title in swahili
20:31 kados thd: if you're willing, I'm all ears :-)
20:31 chris excellent thd
20:31 kados and I _think_ that's one reason MARC must die
20:31 thd kados: I have the page in front of me for the fields and subfields used in the original MELVYL indexes.
20:31 chris thats all it is
20:31 chris its retarded
20:31 chris yeah
20:30 kados that kind of thing really worries me
20:30 kados [If $f$g$h$k follow $b they go with <subTitle>. If they follow $a they go with <title>
20:30 kados in paticular:
20:30 kados titleInfo
20:30 chris but it might, we'll jsut have to see
20:30 kados take a look at 3. Mapping
20:30 kados http://www.loc.gov/standards/mods/v3/mods-mapping.html
20:29 chris i dont believe it will
20:29 thd kados: That should not produce a match in Koha 3 but that requires separate tests for index matching against the contents of each field.
20:27 thd A search for author Fred Smith will match a biblio by Jack Smith and Fred March as joint authors in Koha 2.
20:26 kados thd: could you explain to me what you mean?
20:26 thd kados: I mentioned the problem last night to chris about not mushing the indexes for mere speed.
20:23 thd kados: chapter 6 Index contents
20:20 kados thd: yikes ...
20:20 thd kados: there might be copyright issues and I have it in printed form copied from the looseleaf binder.
20:19 kados thd: is it copyright? can you post it to the list?
20:19 thd kados: Everyone working on Koha should have a copy.
20:18 kados sweet ... that'd be interesting to look at
20:18 thd kados: I have the relevant information from the original MELVYL system.
20:18 kados thd: any thoughts on MARC searching?
20:17 kados w is for word
20:17 kados sweet ... we can specify field types too
20:16 kados or whatever you think
20:16 kados yea
20:15 thd kados: your thought is that if you use the MODS mapping to determine which MARC fields to index for a simpler common usage in a search form.
20:15 kados I'm guessing subject'll really be fun :-)
20:14 kados etc.
20:14 kados which for an author search
20:14 kados I'm just looking for a way to determine which fields in MARC should be searched when I do a title search
20:14 kados no ... not at all
20:14 thd kados: as long as you were not planing to use MODS to store data or index against
20:14 kados right
20:13 chris ie if i search title "chris" on the opac .. what marc fields should that search?
20:13 chris for searching purposes
20:13 kados just ... what should be 'counted' as a 'title' in MARC
20:13 kados I'm not talking about export yet
20:13 thd s/fro/for/
20:12 thd kados: yes, however, they are not a one to one mapping between MARC and MODS which will cause problems if you rely upon MODS as distinct from supporting MODS fro export.
20:11 kados or should I steal your ISBD config?
20:11 kados I'm wondering if we should steal their mappings for our index configuration
20:11 kados etc.
20:11 kados MODS describes some elements like title, author
20:11 kados thd: http://www.loc.gov/standards/mods/
20:11 kados thd: I think there are some mappings from MARC to MODS
20:10 thd kados: What do you mean by the MODS conventions in this context?
20:10 thd congratulations kados chris paul etc.
20:10 kados thd: should we folow the MODS conventions?
20:09 kados for things like 'title' author, etc.
20:09 kados thd: now's your chance to shine with your mad MARC skills and tell us what we should be indexing on
20:09 thd yes kados
20:09 kados thd: you around?
20:05 chris yeah go home :-)
20:04 kados sweet ... that makes it easy
20:03 chris yep
20:03 kados with bulkmarcimport?
20:03 kados can I still do a -d for deleting?
20:03 chris im working on getting opac-biblio.pl to work
20:03 chris go for it
20:03 kados I'm thinking of expanding the collection.abs
20:03 chris yeah we have to build up what we index now
20:03 kados ok ... this is only indexed with title and author
20:02 kados to put it in
20:02 kados cause I had to create a new symlink
20:01 kados so actually ... I'm not gonna commit that
20:01 chris yep
20:01 kados damn fast too
20:01 kados search working
20:01 kados http://opactest.liblime.com/
20:01 kados yay
20:00 chris ta
19:59 kados k ... I"ll commit it too
19:58 chris and stick it there
19:58 chris ah grab it from unimarc
19:58 kados chris: you have that file?
19:58 kados chris: [Tue Feb 14 16:15:52 2006] [error] [client 70.106.188.196] ZOOM error 10012 "CQL transformation error" (addinfo: "can't open CQL transform file '/home/koha/testing/koha/intranet/zebra/pqf.properties': No such file or directory") from diag-set 'ZOOM', referer: http://opactest.liblime.com/
19:57 kados hehe
19:57 chris so im testing with npl :)
19:57 chris css hurts my eyes
19:57 kados right
19:57 chris not sure what id change
19:57 owen I haven't written a prog template for the OPAC
19:57 chris i havent had to make any template changes yet
19:56 chris testing with npl
19:56 kados you developing with css or npl?
19:56 chris owen is the man to ask
19:56 chris umm i dont think so
19:56 kados chris: do you have a 'prog' template for the OPAC?
19:55 chris until we can swap it in for SearchMarc.pm
19:54 chris Search.pm should slowly build up
19:54 kados huh ... no prog tempaltes for the opac?
19:54 chris im hoping to as well
19:54 kados I'll prolly be committing a lot of stuff this week
19:54 kados now that I've got a system up and running
19:53 kados heh
19:53 chris :)
19:53 chris yeah, they mostly sort of work
19:53 kados so maybe I should try those
19:53 kados I think paul's actually been developing with prog
19:53 kados yea ...
19:53 kados there are no tab so you can't navigate it
19:53 chris gonna be lots of template fixing
19:53 chris heh
19:53 kados shoot ... system prefs is borked in the npl templates
19:52 kados yea, just installed it
19:52 chris if you want to see my debugging output
19:52 chris or install it :)
19:51 kados k ...
19:51 chris yuo dont need it
19:51 chris ah sorry, comment that out
19:51 thd kados chris: be careful with MARC in SGML. LC no longer maintains the MARC to SGML mappings and the never made it out of beta.
19:51 kados Can't locate Smart/Comments.pm in @INC
19:51 kados hehe
19:50 chris thanks
19:50 kados ok ... zebra.cfg and collection.abs committed
19:46 kados but I will in a sec
19:46 kados didn't commit the usmarc stuff yet
19:46 chris alter table is for structure
19:45 chris you committed ur zebra changes eh?
19:45 chris yes
19:45 kados chris: what's wrong with that query? do I need to do an update instead?
19:45 kados chris: alter table systempreferences set value='npl' where variable='template' and value='default'
19:42 kados hehe ... error 505 now
19:41 kados ahh
19:41 chris to the url
19:41 chris ahh just add /admin/
19:41 chris http://opac.koha3.katipo.co.nz:81/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?op=do_search&type=opac&marclist=&and_or=and&excluding=&operator=contains&value=the
19:40 kados yikes ... can't even get to the paramaters screen
19:40 chris try the npl ones
19:40 kados default I think
19:40 chris what templates?
19:40 kados opac-new.pl not found
19:39 kados hmmm
19:39 chris the one in cvs should work
19:39 kados so I can try some searching?
19:39 kados do you have a working SearchMarc.pm?
19:38 kados why I have hundreds of Connection Colosed messages in the server log is a mystery
19:37 kados and our diag errors are just wrong
19:37 kados so maybe it finished all the records
19:37 kados still running
19:37 kados 15:52:44-14/02 zebrasrv(412) [session] Connection closed by client
19:37 kados 15:52:44-14/02 zebrasrv(1) [session] Connection closed by client
19:37 kados 15:52:44-14/02 zebrasrv(1016) [request] EsRequest OK: Done !
19:37 kados 15:52:44-14/02 zebrasrv(1016) [log] user/system: 6/0
19:37 kados wait
19:35 chris its still running tho?
19:35 kados bunch of them ... hundreds
19:35 kados 15:52:44-14/02 zebrasrv(959) [session] Connection closed by client
19:34 chris what does you server log tell ya?
19:34 kados looks like it crashed :-)
19:34 kados Fatal error, cant connect to z3950 server at /home/koha/testing/cvsrepo/koha/C4/Biblio.pm line 165.
19:34 kados Error 10000: Connect failed
19:34 kados _d1040 at /home/koha/testing/cvsrepo/koha/C4/Biblio.pm line 158.
19:34 kados uh oh
19:34 chris oh yeah it can
19:34 kados that's what I used before to test with
19:34 kados ahh ... I"m thinking of grs.marc.usmarc
19:34 kados unless I'm misunderstanding
19:34 kados sgml can handle marc files fine
19:33 chris MARC::File::SGML :-)
19:33 chris we just hae to get someone to write us
19:33 kados I'll commit the new config stuff
19:33 chris well 3.1 could be sgml .. ie once all the code is there .. it wont be hard to swap the backend at all
19:32 kados it would have crunched this db in like 30 secs
19:32 kados too bad we can't do the sgml ... it's hundreds of times faster to index
19:31 kados yea ... this rocks
19:31 chris cooking with gas
19:31 chris excellent
19:31 kados chris: working!
19:31 kados wohoo
19:30 kados right ... it's subfield C ...
19:30 chris from addbiblio.pl
19:30 chris this is my new record
19:30 chris </datafield>
19:30 chris <subfield code="d">3027</subfield>
19:30 chris <subfield code="c">3027</subfield>
19:30 chris <datafield tag="090" ind1=" " ind2=" ">
19:29 chris ah ha
19:29 kados http://koha.liblime.com/cgi-bin/koha/export/marc.pl
19:29 chris ohh cool
19:29 kados (BTW: I think the export tool grabs items these days)
19:29 kados I'll export some records and test with those
19:28 chris maybe he was only modifying not adding a new one
19:28 kados not in Biblio either
19:27 chris he was working with acquisitions
19:27 chris hmm i dunno
19:27 kados that already have 090
19:27 kados my guess is paul's using MARC records exported from Koha
19:27 chris it will be in C4::Biblio
19:27 kados I don't see anything in bulkmarcimport that adds a 090
19:25 chris im getting the same error in acquisitions
19:25 kados we'll have to put one in with bulkmarcimport
19:25 chris it should be making them tho, and then inserting into zebra
19:25 kados so there is no id
19:24 kados these aren't koha records
19:24 kados ahh ... of course it it
19:24 chris lemme dump the xml and see
19:24 chris could it be 090 is empty
19:24 kados but didn't help
19:24 kados I changed the 'i' to caps
19:24 chris ahh
19:24 kados melm 090$a Identifier-standard,Identifier-standard:p
19:24 kados in collection.abs
19:22 chris 11:22:19-15/02 zebrasrv(4) [warn] zebra_insert_record failed r=1
19:22 chris 11:22:19-15/02 zebrasrv(4) [warn] Bad match criteria (recordID)
19:22 chris 11:22:19-15/02 zebrasrv(4) [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number)
19:22 chris nope
19:21 chris and see what happens
19:21 chris lemme swithc it to recordInsert
19:21 chris hmm
19:20 kados same error here
19:19 kados title is 245a
19:19 kados author is 100a
19:19 kados yea, you'll need to change the tag/subfields tho
19:19 kados (because shouldn't we need a xml-based .abs)
19:19 chris yeah maybe ill copy the collection.abs from unimarc instead
19:19 kados (which actually seems a bit strange to me)
19:19 kados even copied over usmarc.abs to collection.abs
19:18 kados yea ... changed it, restarted zebrasrv ... no go
19:16 chris local if you compile it yourself
19:16 chris if you install the debian package
19:16 chris its in /usr/share/idz
19:16 chris take local out
19:16 kados and there's nothing there :-)
19:16 chris right
19:16 kados /usr/local/share/idzebra/tab/
19:16 kados it's in zebra.cfg
19:16 chris oh no thats right
19:15 chris i think its looking in
19:15 chris check C4::Biblio
19:15 chris looks like it
19:15 kados maybe my path is wrong
19:15 kados 15:32:11-14/02 zebrasrv(4) [warn] Unknown register type: 0
19:15 kados 15:32:11-14/02 zebrasrv(4) [warn] Unknown register type: w
19:15 kados 15:32:11-14/02 zebrasrv(4) [warn] collection.abs:22: Couldn't find att 'any' in attset
19:14 chris hmm
19:14 kados 15:32:11-14/02 zebrasrv(4) [warn] collection.abs:14: Couldn't find attset bib1.att
19:14 kados 15:32:11-14/02 zebrasrv(4) [warn] Couldn't load attribute set bib1.att [No such file or directory]
19:14 kados <collection xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xsi:schemaLocation="http://www.loc.gov/MARC21/slim http://www.l ...
19:14 kados <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
19:14 kados 15:32:11-14/02 zebrasrv(4) [log] 1705 bytes:
19:14 kados 15:32:11-14/02 zebrasrv(4) [log] record 0 type XML
19:14 kados I also get some other warnings
19:14 chris i think we can use usmarc.abs as collection.abs
19:13 chris 11:10:00-15/02 zebrasrv(6) [warn] zebra_update_record failed r=1
19:13 chris 11:10:00-15/02 zebrasrv(6) [log] zebra_update_record returned res=1
19:13 chris 11:10:00-15/02 zebrasrv(6) [warn] Bad match criteria (recordID)
19:13 chris yeah if you look back its waring about
19:13 kados is the error I'm getting
19:13 chris altho i wonder if this routine is used for updates as well
19:13 kados EsRequest ERROR 224 update_record failed
19:12 kados yea, that sounds better
19:12 chris maybe it should be doing a recordInsert
19:12 chris a specialUpdate that is
19:12 chris i wonder if it shouldnt be doing an update?
19:11 chris 11:10:00-15/02 zebrasrv(6) [warn] Bad match criteria (recordID)
19:11 chris 11:10:00-15/02 zebrasrv(6) [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number)
19:11 chris 11:10:00-15/02 zebrasrv(6) [warn] Couldn't open collection.abs [No such file or directory]
19:11 chris ttp://www.l ...
19:11 chris yeah if you check the zebra log
19:11 kados ZOOM error 224 "ES: immediate execution failed" (addinfo: "update_record failed") from diag-set 'Bib-1'
19:11 kados ok ... yea I'm stillgetting an error:
19:10 kados hmmm
19:10 chris in usmarc
19:10 chris oh we need a collection.abs file too
19:08 chris one thing i like a lot about zebra, its log is verbose
19:08 chris sweet
19:08 kados so I'll update my zebracfg and commit it once I've got it working
19:07 kados gotcha
19:07 chris we kinda need to either deal with xml .. or pass around marc
19:07 chris so without writing a marc->sgml parser
19:07 kados right
19:07 chris record => $record->as_xml()
19:07 chris eg
19:06 chris to do the translation for us
19:06 kados ahh
19:06 kados ing even
19:06 chris we can use MARC::File::XML
19:06 kados but I could be misunderstand it
19:06 chris with xml
19:06 chris hmm
19:06 kados as xml can only handle one record per file
19:05 kados not xml
19:05 kados I think we ultimately want sgml
19:05 kados Local Representation
19:05 kados that section
19:05 kados http://indexdata.dk/zebra/doc/record-model.tkl
19:05 chris we should make sure usmarc and unimarc zebra.cfg stay in sync
19:05 kados lemme find a link
19:04 kados grs.sgml means it's stored internally much differently than grs.xml
19:04 kados yea
19:04 chris ?
19:04 chris that bit
19:04 chris recordType: grs.xml
19:04 chris # Specify record type
19:04 kados that's the underlying zebra storage format
19:03 chris saw that
19:03 kados paul switched from sgml to xml
19:03 kados couple of other things
19:02 chris ok add that line, restart the zebrasrv and you should be away laughing
19:02 chris yep
19:01 kados very steep learning curve with zebra
19:01 kados yea, frustrating though
19:01 chris well not really, its all learning
19:01 chris hehe
19:01 chris that was 1.5 hours wasted
19:01 chris right
19:01 chris its in the unimarc one
19:01 kados dou!
19:01 kados ahh ... right ... I remember that
19:01 chris perm.anonymous: rw
19:00 chris we need this line in our zebra.cfg
19:00 chris ah ha
18:59 chris This class represents an Extended Services Package: an instruction to the server to do something not covered by the core parts of the Z39.50 standard (or the equivalent in SRW or SRU). Since the core protocols are read-only, such requests are often used to make changes to the database, such as in the record update example above.
18:59 chris hmm i wonder if you have to set permissions when you create a db
18:58 chris we are in extended service i think
18:58 kados (ie, outside of bib-1)
18:58 kados right ... but doesn't that still use bib-1 diag-set ... or are we in extended services now?
18:58 chris or koha3 in my case
18:58 chris but it should be modifying kohatest
18:57 kados it's the Bib-1 diagnostic set
18:57 chris thats what it says
18:57 chris yep
18:57 kados ES: permission denied on ES - cannot modify or delete
18:57 kados error 223
18:57 kados http://www.loc.gov/z3950/agency/defns/bib1diag.html
18:56 chris why diag-set though
18:56 chris ES: permission denied on ES - cannot modify or delete" from diag-set 'Bib-1'
18:56 chris on the client side i get
18:56 chris yep
18:56 kados there's a list of those error codes somewher I think
18:55 kados 14:49:32-14/02 zebrasrv(1) [session] Connection closed by client
18:55 kados 14:49:32-14/02 zebrasrv(1) [request] EsRequest ERROR 223
18:55 kados 14:49:32-14/02 zebrasrv(1) [log] database: kohatest
18:55 kados 14:49:32-14/02 zebrasrv(1) [log] specialUpdate
18:55 kados 14:49:32-14/02 zebrasrv(1) [log] action
18:55 kados 14:49:32-14/02 zebrasrv(1) [log] Received DB Update
18:55 kados on the server side I'm getting:
18:53 chris hmm still in the dark
18:43 chris ohh its further down in the man ZOOM
18:42 chris ill go see if its on cpan
18:42 kados maybe perldoc?
18:42 kados heh
18:42 chris No manual entry for ZOOM::Package
18:42 chris chris@wolf:~/koha$ man ZOOM::Package
18:42 chris optionally be passed in. See the "ZOOM::Package" documentation
18:42 chris Creates and returns a new "ZOOM::Package", to be used in invoking an Extended Service. An options block may
18:41 kados yea ...
18:41 chris and this is annoying
18:41 chris hmm its a puzzle
18:36 kados right
18:36 kados changes committed
18:34 chris and i have yet to figure out what
18:33 chris theres something in the new way .. such that its not using our db, but is trying to modify the diag-set
18:33 chris in the zebra_create routine
18:33 chris it used to do the update an old way .. you can see that its commented out
18:32 kados right ... it's already loaded
18:32 chris and something else has use ZOOm
18:32 chris but thats probably because its running under mod_perl
18:32 kados weird
18:32 chris and mine works
18:32 chris im not sure, since i dont have a use ZOOM
18:32 kados should the use ZOOM go at the top?
18:31 kados ok ... I can commit these changes to Biblio.pm
18:31 kados :-)
18:31 chris now you have caught up to me
18:31 chris right
18:31 kados ZOOM error 223 "ES: permission denied on ES - cannot modify or delete" from diag-set 'Bib-1'
18:31 kados hehe
18:31 chris and see what happens
18:31 kados ok
18:31 chris try adding a use ZOOM;
18:31 kados should there be?
18:30 chris there isnt
18:30 kados in biblio.pm
18:30 kados I don't see a use Net::Z3950::ZOOM
18:30 chris right
18:29 kados > force install Net::Z3950::ZOOM
18:29 kados cpan
18:29 kados to install perl-zoom i did:
18:29 chris hmm
18:29 kados Can't locate object method "code" via package "Can't locate object method "new" via package "ZOOM::Connection" (perhaps you forgot to load "ZOOM::Connection"?
18:28 kados interesting
18:28 chris we need to check we connected ok, before we try to set an option
18:27 chris ah sorry, before line 161
18:27 kados huh ... it's not throwing the error
18:26 chris ill commit that to C4::Biblio
18:26 chris then we shojuld be able to see whats happening
18:26 chris }
18:26 chris die "Fatal error, cant connect to z3950 server";
18:26 chris warn "Error ", $@->code(), ": ", $@->message(), "\n";
18:26 chris if ($@){
18:25 chris actually go
18:25 chris this should be in there anyway
18:25 chris }
18:25 chris die "Fatal error, cant connect to z3950 server";
18:25 chris if ($@){
18:25 chris add
18:25 chris after line 161
18:25 kados right
18:25 chris ie 127.0.0.1
18:25 chris no, but we are telling it to connect to localhost
18:25 kados so it shouldn't matter?
18:24 kados this box has multiple IPs ... but we're doing socket conenctions right?
18:24 chris ok add this
18:24 kados no deal
18:23 kados (though I had the db name in the zebra.cfg ... maybe localhost is the trick)
18:23 kados I'll try that
18:23 kados ahh
18:22 chris zebrasrv localhost:2100
18:22 chris i did zebraidx -d kohatest update Biblios
18:22 kados it's running ... but no connections thusfar
18:22 chris right
18:22 kados zebrasrv @2100
18:22 kados zebraidx update Biblios
18:22 chris ok
18:22 kados and I started zebra with:
18:22 kados my zebra db is called kohatest
18:21 kados same error ..
18:21 kados hmm
18:20 kados right
18:20 chris localhost:2100/koha3
18:20 chris for eg i made a zebre db called koha3 so mine says
18:19 chris (or whatever is relevant for you)
18:19 kados k
18:19 chris zebradb=localhost:2100/dbname
18:19 chris add
18:19 chris edit koha.conf
18:19 kados the last line there
18:19 chris right
18:19 kados $Zconn->option(cqlfile => C4::Context->config("intranetdir")."/zebra/pqf.properties");
18:19 kados };
18:19 kados $Zconn = new ZOOM::Connection(C4::Context->config("zebradb"));
18:19 kados eval {
18:18 chris what is line 161?
18:18 chris cos i was to lazy to type the full path
18:18 kados Can't call method "option" on an undefined value at /home/koha/testing/cvsrepo/koha/C4/Biblio.pm line 161.
18:18 kados gives me:
18:18 chris right ./ is just saying relative to this dir
18:18 kados perl -I /home/koha/testing/cvsrepo/koha bulkmarcimport.pl -file /home/jmf/working/nbbc/data/nbbcmarc.mrc
18:17 kados (with no '.'
18:17 kados well ... the old bulkmarcimport needed -file /path/to/file.mrc
18:16 chris i cant remember if it needs teh space or not
18:15 chris perl -I /path/to/koha bulkmarcimport.pl -file ./file.mrc
18:15 chris or maybe
18:15 chris perl -I /path/to/koha bulkmarcimport.pl -file./file.mrc
18:15 chris try
18:15 chris its trying to execute file.marc as perl :)
18:15 chris ah ha
18:14 kados perl -I /path/to/koha bulkmarcimport.pl file.mrc
18:14 chris bulkmarcimport -file/path/to/file
18:14 chris how did you run it
18:14 kados a different error all together
18:14 kados Unrecognized character \x1E at /home/jmf/working/nbbc/data/nbbcmarc.mrc line 1.
18:14 kados syntax error at /home/jmf/working/nbbc/data/nbbcmarc.mrc line 1, near "00382nam "
18:14 kados Illegal octal digit '8' at /home/jmf/working/nbbc/data/nbbcmarc.mrc line 1, at end of line
18:14 kados (Do you need to predeclare a?)
18:14 kados Number found where operator expected at /home/jmf/working/nbbc/data/nbbcmarc.mrc line 1, near "a 4500005001700000100001600017245001300033260005000046300001000096500001800106650002600124852011000150"
18:14 kados (Missing operator before a?)
18:14 kados Bareword found where operator expected at /home/jmf/working/nbbc/data/nbbcmarc.mrc line 1, near "2200121 a"
18:14 kados (Do you need to predeclare nam?)
18:13 kados Number found where operator expected at /home/jmf/working/nbbc/data/nbbcmarc.mrc line 1, near "nam 2200121"
18:13 kados (Missing operator before nam?)
18:13 kados Bareword found where operator expected at /home/jmf/working/nbbc/data/nbbcmarc.mrc line 1, near "00382nam"
18:13 kados interesting
18:10 chris off to read man pages
18:10 chris when i try to acquisition a book, but from what I can see, it shouldnt be trying to add it to the diag-set .. it should be adding it to koha3
18:09 chris [Wed Feb 15 10:08:32 2006] [error] ZOOM error 223 "ES: permission denied on ES - cannot modify or delete" from diag-set 'Bib-1'
18:08 chris hmm paul is away
14:43 kados heh
14:31 kados in fact ... I'll send one immediately about next week
14:30 kados I'll be sure to send a separate email about meetings from now on ;-)
14:30 |hdl| I had overlooked the meeting information note.
14:30 kados np
14:30 |hdl| kados : sorry for not having been there yesterday.
14:08 kados ciao
12:46 owen Hi kados
12:46 kados morning owen
11:40 kados that's good at least
11:40 kados ahh
11:40 paul it's default behaviour. You can define char encoding for every database & table & field.
11:40 kados (sounds good to me)
11:39 paul (could be in may, 8-25)
11:39 kados s/sql/mysql/
11:39 kados do I remember correctly that 'utf-8 = on' in sql is a server-wide setting? and not an individual- database setting?
11:39 paul + i'm preparing a mail for KohaCon.
11:38 kados ahh
11:38 paul ok, i'll check (but my problems are not here for instance, they are in SQL tables moving to UTF8)
11:37 kados paul: so you will get some strange results
11:37 kados paul: because CPAN version doesn't calculate directory offsets for utf-8 outside the normal ascii range
11:37 kados paul: not CPAN version
11:37 kados paul: on sourceforge
11:36 kados paul: make sure you're using the latest version of MARC::Record
11:36 paul (with many Tümer Garip mails & hints on this. Thanks to him)
11:36 kados :-)
11:36 kados ok :-)
11:36 paul I know you are impatient, but it would be better to wait until next week.
11:36 kados (I think it works fine, as I've done it before)
11:35 kados (import of new records)
11:35 kados should I begin testing with large datasets?
11:35 paul import ?
11:35 kados and import too?
11:35 paul (& storing in zebra I mean ;-) )
11:35 kados woohoo!
11:35 paul some good news : biblio editing in HEAD works quite good.
11:35 kados afternoon then :-)
11:35 kados ahh ... right
11:34 paul hello. Morning ended here in Europe...
11:34 kados morning all